Cameron is starting to **** me off now

[dune]

Cameron pledges ANOTHER £814m towards vaccinating the world's poorest children (on top of £2bn we are already going to donate)

 

As well as being more than five times the £274million pledged by the U.S., it is more than 30 times higher than Germany’s £44million and almost 50 times the £30million given by Spain. Japan gave just £5.5million, while China gave nothing.

 

Raj Shah, head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, said America could not afford to give more because it was facing a ‘very difficult budget environment’.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002898/David-Cameron-pledges-814m-vaccinating-worlds-poorest-children.html

 

I think it's a disgrace that we are giving money to other countries when we are up to our eyeballs in debt and having to stomach huge budget cuts and tax rises.

 

Cameron is making a huge political error here.

[JackFrost]

Cameron pledges ANOTHER £814m towards vaccinating the world's poorest children (on top of £2bn we are already going to donate)

 

As well as being more than five times the £274million pledged by the U.S., it is more than 30 times higher than Germany’s £44million and almost 50 times the £30million given by Spain. Japan gave just £5.5million, while China gave nothing.

 

Raj Shah, head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, said America could not afford to give more because it was facing a ‘very difficult budget environment’.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002898/David-Cameron-pledges-814m-vaccinating-worlds-poorest-children.html

 

I think it's a disgrace that we are giving money to other countries when we are up to our eyeballs in debt and having to stomach huge budget cuts and tax rises.

 

Cameron is making a huge political error here.

 

He was a socialist spy all the time and you fell for him

[Special K]

Give it to the dusties down at the depot so they can start collecting the facking bins again.

[dune]

Give it to the dusties down at the depot so they can start collecting the facking bins again.

 

Exactly. Charity starts at home.

[bridge too far]

Do you know, I was so dizzy from keeping up with all the ConDems spins and U-turns that I almost missed this.

 

Well done Dave!

Edited 14 June, 2011 by bridge too far

[solentstars]

Cameron pledges ANOTHER £814m towards vaccinating the world's poorest children (on top of £2bn we are already going to donate)

 

As well as being more than five times the £274million pledged by the U.S., it is more than 30 times higher than Germany’s £44million and almost 50 times the £30million given by Spain. Japan gave just £5.5million, while China gave nothing.

 

Raj Shah, head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, said America could not afford to give more because it was facing a ‘very difficult budget environment’.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002898/David-Cameron-pledges-814m-vaccinating-worlds-poorest-children.html

 

I think it's a disgrace that we are giving money to other countries when we are up to our eyeballs in debt and having to stomach huge budget cuts and tax rises.

 

Cameron is making a huge political error here.

 

yawn i told you he was a leftie ,never mind scrooge .

[solentstars]

Exactly. Charity starts at home.

yawn so original ha ha

[Thedelldays]

An people say the libdems are weak in this partnership

[OVER THE HILL]

Is this another promise he won't keep ? I would not trust anything they say.

[CB Saint]

I am somewhat surprised about the size of the donation - twice what the US are giving, and many time more that some of our european neighbours. It seems a tad excessive.

[GenevaSaint]

I am somewhat surprised about the size of the donation - twice what the US are giving, and many time more that some of our european neighbours. It seems a tad excessive.

 

But the theory behind giving to save lives is a reasonable one yes? Dune wouldn't give a penny.

[Saint Mikey]

I am somewhat surprised about the size of the donation - twice what the US are giving, and many time more that some of our european neighbours. It seems a tad excessive.

 

Yeah, I mean we might actually save more lives here. FFS, what is this world coming to?

[badgerx16]

It's a pity that, as usual, the Heil has got it's figures wrong, the UK had previously pledged $1,114 NOT £2Bn

 

http://www.gavialliance.org/resources/GAVI_Pledging_Conference_PR_and_Key_Outcomes_June_2011.pdf.

 

Maybe that is too much, and maybe others should do more, but this is still typically shoddy journalism from the Reactionary Right.

[dune]

But the theory behind giving to save lives is a reasonable one yes? Dune wouldn't give a penny.

 

I might choose to give, but that should be my choice. That £2.8 billions equates to £45 from every man, woman and child in the UK.

[Ken Tone]

Yeah, I mean we might actually save more lives here. FFS, what is this world coming to?

 

Meanwhile, even after the cuts, we are still the world's 4th highest spender on 'defence'.

 

In both cases, Cameron seems not to have realised that we are just a small island off the coast of the rest of Europe ... not a world power.

[dune]

Yeah, I mean we might actually save more lives here.

 

Sadly this in itself is unwise. The world is almost running at it's capacity to feed the human race. Humans are no different to any other species and natures balance is being artificially doctored. This is completely unsustainable.

[bridge too far]

Sadly this in itself is unwise. The world is almost running at it's capacity to feed the human race. Humans are no different to any other species and natures balance is being artificially doctored. This is completely unsustainable.

 

I refer you to this: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?30756-Land-of-the-free-umm-no-not-really

 

I'm sure you'd find this solution acceptable.

[Saint-scooby]

More parking wardens for the future.

[badgerx16]

Sadly this in itself is unwise. The world is almost running at it's capacity to feed the human race. Humans are no different to any other species and natures balance is being artificially doctored. This is completely unsustainable.

How many of us on this forum are alive because of vaccination programs in this country ? If we are to follow your logic they should stop as well, as should IVF, transplants, and any attempts at resuscitating heart attack victims. All examples of interfering with natural processes.

[thesaint sfc]

more parking wardens for the future.

 

lol

[thesaint sfc]

I wouldn't give a penny. We're broke. We should look out for our own. The only countries in the world that are doing OK at the moment are the ones that put themselves first which is what I thought we would be doing under Cameron - apparently not. Makes me laugh about how much they go on he supports the NHS because of what happened with his child. What? So he should only care about things if they have directly affected him?

[dune]

I refer you to this: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?30756-Land-of-the-free-umm-no-not-really

 

I'm sure you'd find this solution acceptable.

 

No. I believe in a natural balance. In Africa for example infant mortality is high and life expectancy is low because most African states are badly managed. Nature is managing the incompetence and thinning out the species. A natural solution. That said if Africa was managed properly (take rhodesia as an example) it can feed itself and support a population. By giving medicines to backward nations all you're doing is artificially stimulating a population boom - BUT WHERE IS THE FOOD TO FEED THIS BOOM? This is why I would not give any money to this programme, but instead encourage African nations to embrace comercial farming and to put experienced comercial farmers on the land.

[dune]

How many of us on this forum are alive because of vaccination programs in this country ? If we are to follow your logic they should stop as well, as should IVF, transplants, and any attempts at resuscitating heart attack victims. All examples of interfering with natural processes.

 

But we have the means to feed ourselves. Or should i rephrase that - we did have the means to feed ourselves. If our economy goes pear shaped we won't.

[doddisalegend]

No. I believe in a natural balance. In Africa for example infant mortality is high and life expectancy is low because most African states are badly managed. Nature is managing the incompetence and thinning out the species. A natural solution. That said if Africa was managed properly (take rhodesia as an example) it can feed itself and support a population. By giving medicines to backward nations all you're doing is artificially stimulating a population boom - BUT WHERE IS THE FOOD TO FEED THIS BOOM? This is why I would not give any money to this programme, but instead encourage African nations to embrace comercial farming and to put experienced comercial farmers on the land.

 

It's easy to say that when you were lucky enough to be born into a rich western country. As a father I can't believe that letting any child die is the right thing to do. I only have to think how I'd feel if I lost one of my children to decide that if the goverment wants to take £45 of the money it's taken from me and use to save a childs life (any child I don't care about race colour or creed) I'm fine with it.

[dune]

It's easy to say that when you were lucky enough to be born into a rich western country. As a father I can't believe that letting any child die is the right thing to do. I only have to think how I'd feel if I lost one of my children to decide that if the goverment wants to take £45 of the money it's taken from me and use to save a childs life (any child I don't care about race colour or creed) I'm fine with it.

 

I can fully understand your view, however as i've explained it is not alleviating the root cause of the problem. In fact by vaccinating a population that cannot feed itse;f you are sowing the seeds for famine.

 

What Africa needs is food before medicine. You start at the bottom and work up.

 

What Africa needs is commercial farmers with experience on the land.

 

Rhodesia was once the bread basket of Africa that not only provided food for its own people, but exported a surplus. Since the land reforms, and the resulting eviction of the white farmers, agriculture has reverted back to subsistence farming. This was fine in 1890 before medicine increased life expectancy.

[View From The Top]

As a father I would say that saving a child's life is worth the outlay.

 

Stanley's issue is that they are saving black and brown babies and the neo-nazi in Stanley prefers them dead.

[hutch]

I can fully understand your view, however as i've explained it is not alleviating the root cause of the problem. In fact by vaccinating a population that cannot feed itse;f you are sowing the seeds for famine.

 

What Africa needs is food before medicine. You start at the bottom and work up.

 

What Africa needs is commercial farmers with experience on the land.

 

Rhodesia was once the bread basket of Africa that not only provided food for its own people, but exported a surplus. Since the land reforms, and the resulting eviction of the white farmers, agriculture has reverted back to subsistence farming. This was fine in 1890 before medicine increased life expectancy.

I have to disagree. The vast, vast, vast majority of sub-Saharan Africans have enough to eat. When there is isolated drought or famine, it is all over the 1st world media. It is newsworthy.

 

Disease is everywhere, even in the better developed better fed countries. How many times did you wonder today whether one of your colleagues with a cough has TB? How many lepers have you seen today? Polio victims?

 

Many of the vaccinations are for debilitating rather than fatal diseases. Why should the children suffer? Sick children put an even greater strain on already stretched family resources, and limit earning potential.

[dune]

As a father I would say that saving a child's life is worth the outlay.

 

Stanley's issue is that they are saving black and brown babies and the neo-nazi in Stanley prefers them dead.

 

What rubbish.

 

These sort of comments from you are to be expected though, what with your reputation for posting stupid things.

 

A "bedroom general" sums you up perfectly.

[bridge too far]

I have to disagree. The vast, vast, vast majority of sub-Saharan Africans have enough to eat. When there is isolated drought or famine, it is all over the 1st world media. It is newsworthy.

 

Disease is everywhere, even in the better developed better fed countries. How many times did you wonder today whether one of your colleagues with a cough has TB? How many lepers have you seen today? Polio victims?

 

Many of the vaccinations are for debilitating rather than fatal diseases. Why should the children suffer? Sick children put an even greater strain on already stretched family resources, and limit earning potential.

 

Another point worth considering is this. As in our country 100 or so years ago, parents in many third world countries have a large number of children because of the limited life expectancy. Go some way to eradicating disease and there will be less need for large families.

[Special K]

As a father I would say that saving a child's life is worth the outlay.

 

Stanley's issue is that they are saving black and brown babies and the neo-nazi in Stanley prefers them dead.

 

Meanwhile, in other news 1.6m children in the UK still live in poverty. Divert the majority of the money to helping out these kids, imho of course.

[dune]

Another point worth considering is this. As in our country 100 or so years ago, parents in many third world countries have a large number of children because of the limited life expectancy. Go some way to eradicating disease and there will be less need for large families.

 

If this happened then that would alleviate the problem, but in societies that live on the bread line with no social security or pensions, they are always going to have large families to provide for them. It's like us taking out an insurance policy.

[doddisalegend]

What rubbish.

 

These sort of comments from you are to be expected though, what with your reputation for posting stupid things.

 

A "bedroom general" sums you up perfectly.

 

Thats me always stood to attention, ready to fire off the cannon at the misses................................... maybe thats not what you meant?

[ecuk268]

Meanwhile, in other news 1.6m children in the UK still live in poverty. Divert the majority of the money to helping out these kids, imho of course.

 

But those 1.6m have clean water, sanitation, a free health service, free education and basic food.

 

I imagine that many countries would regard our definition of "poverty" as luxurious.

[LGTL]

But those 1.6m have clean water, sanitation, a free health service, free education and basic food.

 

I imagine that many countries would regard our definition of "poverty" as luxurious.

 

Very true. Have a look at the holiday thread! Despite the "recession", the majority can still eat, have an education go to the doctors and head away somewhere in the summer. We don't have a clue what poverty is.

[bridge too far]

Very true. Have a look at the holiday thread! Despite the "recession", the majority can still eat, have an education go to the doctors and head away somewhere in the summer. We don't have a clue what poverty is.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011vnls/Poor_Kids/

[LGTL]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011vnls/Poor_Kids/

 

I saw that too. That is only poverty in relation to UK living standards though. They will still get schooling, medicine, free school dinners etc, perhaps not the holiday mind you.

[Lord Duckhunter]

My issue is not with the £814mil for vaccinating the world's poorest children, that is an honourable and worthy cause and something that every Werstern Govt should be doing. My issue is with aid going to Countries like India, that have a space programme and their own aid programme, the fact that aid has not been cut and the fact that the EU dishes out our aid as well.The EU is proposing to dish out 15 mil Euros to China, that is what should be ****ing you off, not aid that saves childrens lives.

[swannymere]

I love Dune's fishing expeditions, do you think he has a strategy like TalkSport or just goes for it? Can we have a poll please Mods?

[SuperMikey]

A good sign of basic human decency from Cameron & Co. Nice to see some moral obligations being put ahead of financial ones for a change. We spend £bn's on defence every year when there are so many other uses that money could be put to. Eradicating Polio from the face of the earth is a good start. I just hope that we can keep this up in the future and it won't be a get-out clause for future investment.

[hypochondriac]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011vnls/Poor_Kids/

 

My father came back recently from working with From Kenya With Love. He just shook his head and said 'we just don't have poverty in this country.'

[Joesaint]

It is quite funny though, Labour didnt like Blaire for being to far right and this is vice-versa.

[bridge too far]

My father came back recently from working with From Kenya With Love. He just shook his head and said 'we just don't have poverty in this country.'

 

In the grand scheme of things, no we don't. But as an advanced and rich country all we can do is compare the plight of OUR poor with what would be considered a decent standard of living. I've just read this article. It's about a hard working family who are really, really struggling:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13765820

 

Of course, it's primarily about inflation here and inflation affects poor people the most:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13757680

 

I think it's very sad that a family, used to supporting itself albeit on low wages, should find itself in such a predicament.

 

But you're right - all things are relative.

Edited 14 June, 2011 by bridge too far
Brain's gone to mush

[Jonnyboy]

No. I believe in a natural balance. In Africa for example infant mortality is high and life expectancy is low because most African states are badly managed. Nature is managing the incompetence and thinning out the species. A natural solution. That said if Africa was managed properly (take rhodesia as an example) it can feed itself and support a population. By giving medicines to backward nations all you're doing is artificially stimulating a population boom - BUT WHERE IS THE FOOD TO FEED THIS BOOM? This is why I would not give any money to this programme, but instead encourage African nations to embrace comercial farming and to put experienced comercial farmers on the land.

 

There is enough food on planet earth already. Thing is the africans etc have to export their food to UK and America so we can have enormous bellies and programs like embasrassing fat bodies where fatties have their stomachs sawn off and thrown in the bin.

 

The aim is mainly to eradicate certain diseases like small pox was.

Polio is only left in 4 countries so if we can make that disease extinct it will be money well spent.

Edited 14 June, 2011 by Jonnyboy

[Window Cleaner]

Of course were giving them money for vaccinations and stuff, probably for 2 reasons,the vaccines are made by British companies and if they all die of natural causes we won't be able to sell them billions of £s worth of arms to kill each other with.

[ericb]

The world is almost running at it's capacity to feed the human race. Humans are no different to any other species and natures balance is being artificially doctored.

 

Exactly i mean what people need to do is accept these ideas, i mean even Winston Churchill supported Eugenics (that's what we're supporting right Dune?) and he was a hero so couldn't have been wrong.

 

All the arguments against it are just the liberal elite who are scared to have their precious human rights touched.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I think that we possibly under estimated how strong The Lib Dems were in this coalition...maybe.

[Thedelldays]

I think that we possibly under estimated how strong The Lib Dems were in this coalition...maybe.

 

too quick to stamp your feet eh..?

[aintforever]

This is a tough one because I am all up for giving aid to 3rd world aid and think we should give a lot lot more.

 

BUT, it really p!sses me off how other countries do so little. Richer countries than us are gaining an unfair competitive advantage and basically sitting back and doing naff all to help the World's poorest. It's the same when some middle eastern sh!t hole needs military intervention, we are always the mugs that do the dirty work.

 

This country needs a MAJOR change in attitude. We are not a colonial power any more, we are just a small skint island off the coast of Northern Europe. Other countries problems are nothing at all to do with us.

[Saintandy666]

http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Manifesto.aspx

 

 

Actually, this is nothing to do with Liberal Democrat influence. Look... it's in their 2010 manifesto if you don't believe me.

 

A commitment to 0.7% of GNI on aid. You are only getting what you voted for.

[Thedelldays]

http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Manifesto.aspx

 

 

Actually, this is nothing to do with Liberal Democrat influence. Look... it's in their 2010 manifesto if you don't believe me.

 

A commitment to 0.7% of GNI on aid. You are only getting what you voted for.

 

nothing to do with the libdems...the u-turning on the NHS, the apparently softly approach on crime, giving large chunks of cash we dont have away...

 

they are desperate to be seen as strong and they are showing they have a bit of say in Govt...maybe their supporters will now shut the fuk up