scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13739876 Now, I will start off by saying (although I suppose it should be assumed!) that rape is NEVER acceptable. However, these women going on marches seem to think it's as simple as "men shouldn't rape". In an ideal world, of course they are right. But this will never be an ideal world. The chant was "blame the rapist not the victim, doesn't matter what I'm dressed in". Thing is, it really isn't that straight forward. Men will ALWAYS be sexual predators. It is nature, and men will always be more visually attracted to women than the other way round. So, I suppose what I'm getting at is, by dressing in short skirts or having your rack on show....it WILL always increase your chances of the worst happening, because there will always be men that can't control their urges, sadly. That does not make rape in anyway acceptable, BUT I don't think it would do these women on "slutwalks" any harm to atleast acknowledge that dressing in a more revealing way will, rightly or wrongly, increase the chance of rape (and I can't see that changing)....... making all these marches quite pointless. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I don't think you'll get your message out to many using this forum. Perhaps you could organise a 'Rapewalk' to promote your ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I don't think you'll get your message out to many using this forum. Perhaps you could organise a 'Rapewalk' to promote your ideas? good idea....scott saints, mehball and spade face on the march.. PS, pay your fiver you cheap **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I don't think you'll get your message out to many using this forum. Perhaps you could organise a 'Rapewalk' to promote your ideas? I think it may need a new name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Trouble is most woman who get raped do not dress in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Trouble is most woman who get raped do not dress in that way. Quite right. And most rape isn't about sex. It's about power and revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Well, yes. Obviously. But dressing in a revealing way still increases the chance of getting raped (even if just slightly) or getting harassed/groped by men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Well, yes. Obviously. But dressing in a revealing way still increases the chance of getting raped (even if just slightly) or getting harassed/groped by men. Does it? Are you sure about that? Or is it just how think things are likely to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Does it? Are you sure about that? Or is it just how think things are likely to be? Well I can definitely confirm that dressing in a revealing way increases chances of getting harassed/groped anyway. All you have to do is watch the behaviour of 18 year old males flocking around girls in clubs on a Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Quite right. And most rape isn't about sex. It's about power and revenge. It is. I work in the CPS and see the case files. There are a great many misconceptions about rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Well I can definitely confirm that dressing in a revealing way increases chances of getting harassed/groped anyway. All you have to do is watch the behaviour of 18 year old males flocking around girls in clubs on a Saturday night. Maybe so, but that's hardly rape is it? As sadoldgit pointed out above, most women who are raped are not dressed in a remotely 'provocative' manner. In fact, I'm sure I've read quite recently that most women who are raped are wearing jeans when it happens. As BTF quite correctly said, rape isn't about sex at all - it's about power first and foremost. And are all men sexual predators? You may see yourself that way, you may even be that way. I'm not and I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 One way to tell if a point of view is meaningless is if no one would ever argue the opposite point. For example, if a politician says 'we will be tough on crime' it is a meaningless statement because no politician would ever argue that they would be weak on crime. Marching against war or government cuts is a way of showing solidarity towards a political cause that has two points of view: "Look how many of us are against the war" is a statement worth making. Marching 'against' rape, however, is a complete waste of everyone's time because no one would ever march in favour of rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 As you say, most victims are "dressed down." A lot are wearing trackies or very casual, unassuming clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Most victims would be dressed down though, purely because most girls will be dressed down 95% of the time, so I don't think that's a fair argument against provocative dress increasing CHANCE of rape. I may be wrong as I don't have any stats, but it seems like a fair assumption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I have to say I agree with this walk... women don't deserve to be raped whatever they dress like and just because they are exposed it doesn't mean they are fair game in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I have to say I agree with this walk... women don't deserve to be raped whatever they dress like and just because they are exposed it doesn't mean they are fair game in any way. you are such a bed wetter...it is a pointless walk as I cant think of one person that disagrees with the point really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Most victims would be dressed down though, purely because most girls will be dressed down 95% of the time, so I don't think that's a fair argument against provocative dress increasing CHANCE of rape. I may be wrong as I don't have any stats, but it seems like a fair assumption... So an assumption is all it is then. And it's based on another assumption - that rape is about sex and sexual attraction. Which it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 It's a bit naive to think dressing like a slut doesn't send out signals. That's why whores dress like sluts. Women are the first with the "slut" comments if some slapper walks past with their tits and ***** hanging out all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 So an assumption is all it is then. And it's based on another assumption - that rape is about sex and sexual attraction. Which it isn't. Rape is NEVER about sex and sexual attraction then? Sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 (edited) Most victims would be dressed down though, purely because most girls will be dressed down 95% of the time, so I don't think that's a fair argument against provocative dress increasing CHANCE of rape. I may be wrong as I don't have any stats, but it seems like a fair assumption... If it increased the chances or rape then most women would be raped when dressed "provocatively" wouldn't they? The opposite is true. So are you saying a guy gets turned on by seeing someone looking sexy and then goes off and rapes someone looking unsexy? Many rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. It has more to do with availability than dress. Wrong place, wrong time. Edited 13 June, 2011 by sadoldgit spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 It has more to do with availability than dress. Wrong place, wrong time. Yeah but if there are two women in the wrong place at the wrong time the one looking sexy is probably more likely to be raped, that's his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Rape is NEVER about sex and sexual attraction then? Sure... I expect you see several people a week that you are sexually attracted by. Do you rape them? If men raped women because they were sexually attracted to them tens of thousands of women would be raped every day. A large percentage of women who get raped are not what you would call "sexually attractive." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Yeah but if there are two women in the wrong place at the wrong time the one looking sexy is probably more likely to be raped, that's his point. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I expect you see several people a week that you are sexually attracted by. Do you rape them? If men raped women because they were sexually attracted to them tens of thousands of women would be raped every day. A large percentage of women who get raped are not what you would call "sexually attractive." No of course I don't rape them. I can control my urges. There will always be men that can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Who is more likely to get raped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Worryingly, a fair few number of very elderly women get raped. Now it can't be because they are a turn-on, can it. So it goes back to power or maybe revenge (the rapist hating his mother sort of thing). And I don't know how true the stories are of Libyan soldiers being told to rape the women supporting the opposition, but that is about power and revenge (on their husbands / brothers / sons). And what about male rape? Mostly carried out by fiercely heterosexual males (who are also fiercely homophobic). Prostitutes dress provocatively to advertise their trade. But they, too, get raped (probably as a 'punishment'). I wonder how many men would react if they were told they shouldn't dress in a certain way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Who is more likely to get raped? The second one, and probably by her husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timebomb Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 God I miss Deppo on this type of thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 The second one, and probably by her husband. Yes, that's what I thought. A slutwalk ought to put an end to that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Yes, that's what I thought. A slutwalk ought to put an end to that though. agree....incase we did not know, you cant just rape a girl because of the clothes she is wearing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 The second one, and probably by her husband. Yep. The first one has a hint of Pete Burns about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Yep. The first one has a hint of Pete Burns about her. Pointless comment on a serious thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 you are such a bed wetter...it is a pointless walk as I cant think of one person that disagrees with the point really... A lot of people disagree with that point. Oh, and by the way... thanks for the pointless insult at the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Pointless comment on a serious thread... I was being serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 A lot of people disagree with that point. Oh, and by the way... thanks for the pointless insult at the beginning. A lot of people think that people who dress sluttily deserve to be raped? And this walk is going to change their mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I agree with the idea behind the slut walk. The candian policeman that started the controversy implied that women were the cause of rape by the way they dressed. That is just not true. Rapists cause rapes. Go to a public swimming pool or a beach in the middle of summer, there are scantily clad women everywhere. So would it be their fault if they are raped too? If we apply the same logic, surely they are all asking for it, and us poor men can only assume that women dressed like that are giving out an invitation for sexual attention. But somehow the male population can control themselves in this environment, so why is it so different in a pub/club/walking home after a night out? Hopefully the slut walk will get the message through some men's thick skulls that they way a woman is dressed can not be an excuse for disgusting crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 13 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 13 June, 2011 This debate does often get mixed up by blame and chance being confused. It is never a woman's fault for being raped, but the chance slightly increases by being visually appealing to a male (men tend to like the female body!) I would add.... this only refers to rape for sex, not rape for power. And don't tell me it doesn't happen as that is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I agree with the idea behind the slut walk. The candian policeman that started the controversy implied that women were the cause of rape by the way they dressed. That is just not true. Rapists cause rapes. Go to a public swimming pool or a beach in the middle of summer, there are scantily clad women everywhere. So would it be their fault if they are raped too? If we apply the same logic, surely they are all asking for it, and us poor men can only assume that women dressed like that are giving out an invitation for sexual attention. But somehow the male population can control themselves in this environment, so why is it so different in a pub/club/walking home after a night out? Hopefully the slut walk will get the message through some men's thick skulls that they way a woman is dressed can not be an excuse for disgusting crimes. Do you really think that the type of men who rape women are going to be in the smallest bit bothered about a bunch of lesbians parading around in thongs? It will make no difference at all and is just an excuse to get angry about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Who is more likely to get raped? If you were a gambling man you'd go for the lucky dip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Yeah but if there are two women in the wrong place at the wrong time the one looking sexy is probably more likely to be raped, that's his point. But if there are two women dressed "slutily" walking home together late at night and a single women dressed conservativly on her own, the one one her own is going to get raped isn't she. And the reason for this is that rape is non-consensual therefore rapists will chose the victim he is most likely to overcome. The issue of how the women are dressed is just clouding the real issue. There are men out there who have no respect for women and will satisfy their sexual greed regardless of the way in which the woman is dressed. The slut walk highlights the fact that the way a women was dressed is just a red herring and an sad excuse used by sick men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 But if there are two women dressed "slutily" walking home together late at night and a single women dressed conservativly on her own, the one one her own is going to get raped isn't she. And the reason for this is that rape is non-consensual therefore rapists will chose the victim he is most likely to overcome. The issue of how the women are dressed is just clouding the real issue. There are men out there who have no respect for women and will satisfy their sexual greed regardless of the way in which the woman is dressed. The slut walk highlights the fact that the way a women was dressed is just a red herring and an sad excuse used by sick men. exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Do you really think that the type of men who rape women are going to be in the smallest bit bothered about a bunch of lesbians parading around in thongs? It will make no difference at all and is just an excuse to get angry about something. Says the man who finds an excuse to get angry about something most days on SWF. I once saw scott_saints in the Clock Inn in Fair Oak, wearing a tight pair of jeans. I wanted to rape him there and then. He was asking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Do you really think that the type of men who rape women are going to be in the smallest bit bothered about a bunch of lesbians parading around in thongs? It will make no difference at all and is just an excuse to get angry about something. No, I agree that it probably will not change the opinion of many rapists, but it may change the opinions of idiots like the policeman that started this whole craze and hopefully society as a whole. When a person in a position of power comes out with such drivel it needs to be challenged. A debate about a subject like this is always a good thing. Hopefully next time this issue come up with your mates down the pub, one or two of them should agree that women should be able to wear what they like, with out people making comments about them "asking to get raped" Comments like this feed the notion that there really are women out there asking to get raped, and therefore the act is in someway excuseable. As I have said before, we don't think all the women at the swimming pool are asking to get raped, so why should we feel this way about women wearing significantly more than swimming costumes when on a night out? The slut walk is about challenging this type of misconception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Who is more likely to get raped? You have completely missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Says the man who finds an excuse to get angry about something most days on SWF. I once saw scott_saints in the Clock Inn in Fair Oak, wearing a tight pair of jeans. I wanted to rape him there and then. He was asking for it. Yes. I am 'angry' on an internet forum. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 No, I agree that it probably will not change the opinion of many rapists, but it may change the opinions of idiots like the policeman that started this whole craze and hopefully society as a whole. When a person in a position of power comes out with such drivel it needs to be challenged. A debate about a subject like this is always a good thing. Hopefully next time this issue come up with your mates down the pub, one or two of them should agree that women should be able to wear what they like, with out people making comments about them "asking to get raped" Comments like this feed the notion that there really are women out there asking to get raped, and therefore the act is in someway excuseable. As I have said before, we don't think all the women at the swimming pool are asking to get raped, so why should we feel this way about women wearing significantly more than swimming costumes when on a night out? The slut walk is about challenging this type of misconception. I don't think they are asking to be raped, but they are probably more likely to get taken advantage of in a nightclub (touched on the a*se etc). Wearing virtually nothing sends out a message that the are 'easy' or more sexually promiscuous than women who choose not to dress like that. Whether it is intended like that is a matter for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Yes. I am 'angry' on an internet forum. Grow up. Alright, no need to get angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 What a pointless march. "Blame the rapist not the victim, doesn't matter what i'm dressed in" - the day a rape charge gets thrown out of court because the woman was dressed like a slut is the day this becomes a relevant statement. Until then it's just stating the bloody obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 You have completely missed the point. Ahh yes, silly me. The point being that a few uppity bints are getting off on doing something with "slut" in the title. How marvelous. How outre. Society, prepare to be reformed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I can't see how riding bikes naked is going to discourage serial rapists - especially as most of the cyclists looked like pervy middle aged men. Though the one who was painted like a tiger was no angel, so he was gagging for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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