Verbal Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Perhaps the new film will correct the dozens of errors in the old one.
badgerx16 Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Lancasters were used in the Dam raid not Wellingtons, the Lancs were designed by Roy Chadwick, there is a Blue Plaque on my sons friends house in Chessel Ave Bitterne, Chadwick also had a hand in designing the Vulcan. The point about the Wimpey was the inaccuracy in the original film concerning Barnes Wallis trying to requisition one from the Air Ministry for the bomb tests.
tpbury Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 "Luke - I am your father. GEDDIN THE JANNERS!!!!!!!!!"
skintsaint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Doesn't Die Hard 3 have some English asshole as a baddie? nah was East German....but was played by Jeremy Irons.
solentstars Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 If ever there was a thread that needed a contribution from Deppo, this is it.i agree his humour used to show up the small minded little sad racists,makes you wonder why he was banned yet far right racists still peddle their bile.
derry Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 What a farce. They make a film showing half the attacking force crashed, breach dams, destroy homes, factories, kill hundreds, devastate the countryside and the **** writing the script changes the codeword because it is politically incorrect. Pure bloody hypocrisy.
derry Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 If they had used the voice of the actor who originally played Darth Vader (David Prowse, the Green Cross man to those old enough), Vader would have spoken like Ian Holloawy. I believe Sabastian Shaw played Darth Vader but another voice was used.
derry Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 There was also newsreels used from the anti ship bouncing bomb trials.
Saintandy666 Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Oh and another politically correct victory for the anti smoke brigade. Churchill is to have his famous cigar airbrushed out of future school text books. Link?
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 They could very easily have written a script that did not mention the codeword for 'mission complete'.
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 I believe Sabastian Shaw played Darth Vader but another voice was used. Wrong....
Hamilton Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 To placate the Liberal Elite. Is this a new political party? A recognisable group? You probably mean the liberal elite, eh? Oh, btw, who exactly are the liberal elite?
Saintandy666 Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Is this a new political party? A recognisable group? You probably mean the liberal elite, eh? Oh, btw, who exactly are the liberal elite? Anyone who disagrees with Dune.
Fowllyd Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Is this a new political party? A recognisable group? You probably mean the liberal elite, eh? Oh, btw, who exactly are the liberal elite? I'm not sure exactly who they are, but I do know where they are - hiding in Dune's wardrobe, ready to pounce. I hate to think where we'd be without his eternal vigilance.
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 I agree with dune about this. The story is based in a time when use of this word was acceptable. The reception of the code word for the breach of the Möhne Dam was a historically important moment. In addition, there is a significant movement in the U.S amongst the black community to take back ownership of this word. We going to be changing films about Nazi tyranny or Roman tyranny or Egyptian tyranny to stop any unintended offence ? But then I cannot say I am surprised by the change for the film. For me, it is patronising black people to change it. It demonstrates no respect for their own sense of proportion and common sense. Black people living in the West in the 21st century are above such bullsh*t, imo.
Clapham Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Wow. This thread seems to have got a little out of hand, however... The fact that the codeword was taken from the name of a dog is interesting. The name itself can hardly be described as fundamental though. Dune, until others pointed them out to you, you don't seem to have cared at all about the numerous (deliberate) errors in the previous version of the film. To fixate upon the dog's name is frankly ludicrous. On a side note, the original film airbrushed my Great Grandfather from history. I would have thought a much more historically relevant point than the name of a dog.
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 On a side note, the original film airbrushed my Great Grandfather from history. Probably because of this little extract from the Wiki page... His pre-war interest in Communism made him the object of monitoring by the British secret service. Best not let dune know your great grandfather was a Commie sympathiser eh?
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 I'm with Dune on this, it's not the inaccuracy that is the problem. It's the fact that it's been deliberately changed by some politically correct asshole that's annoying. I read the book a while ago and remember laughing when n!gger was mentioned. History is there to be learned from, censoring it doesn't do any good at all. The fact that this truly great guy called his dog n!gger perfectly illustrates the racist culture of that time.
trousers Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Just 74 people taking the bait on this one I see... ;-)
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 I'm with Dune on this, it's not the inaccuracy that is the problem. It's the fact that it's been deliberately changed by some politically correct asshole that's annoying. I read the book a while ago and remember laughing when n!gger was mentioned. History is there to be learned from, censoring it doesn't do any good at all. The fact that this truly great guy called his dog n!gger perfectly illustrates the racist culture of that time. Gibson wasn't being racist when he named his dog. The word was also in common usage to describe a colour which was very dark black.
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Just 74 people taking the bait on this one I see... ;-) Well, someone has to indulge him. If nobody took dune's bait and gave him the attention he so obviously craves then he would only end up 'doing a Travis Bickle' - suffering a breakdown and massacring some liberals,
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Gibson wasn't being racist when he named his dog. The word was also in common usage to describe a colour which was very dark black. I know that, but it still illustrates the change in culture. people were very racist back then, it was normal.
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 I know that, but it still illustrates the change in culture. people were very racist back then, it was normal. That's not what I am saying. In calling his dog 'n****r' he was not comparing or inferring anything against people of a different skin colour. The word had another meaning which was literally 'black' and came direct from the Latin and most educated people would have had this knowledge. The names Niger and Nigeria also have the same root. You're quite right that people held views which would be considered racist by today's standards. You should hear what they said about the Germans at the time.
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 as one of the elite i am placated. dune you've not yet given an example of a film based on historical events that is 100% faithful to the facts. you may not know but the matrix is actually a fictional story. dune ?!
norwaysaint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Winston Churchill had an actively gay relationship with his children, just like his father did with him.
Kadeem Hardison Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Winston Churchill had an actively gay relationship with his children, just like his father did with him. Interestingly, I believe that dune likes to indulge in gay activities with children too. He has so much to give and loves being gay with kids. I hope that the PC brigade don't come along and say that it is no longer okay to use the word 'gay' in its innocent original form like this anymore. dune should be allowed to be gay with children if he likes without the Liberal Elite ruining it for him.
Clapham Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Posted 13 June, 2011 Probably because of this little extract from the Wiki page... Best not let dune know your great grandfather was a Commie sympathiser eh? Lol. Maybe.
dune Posted 14 June, 2011 Author Posted 14 June, 2011 That's not what I am saying. In calling his dog 'n****r' he was not comparing or inferring anything against people of a different skin colour. The word had another meaning which was literally 'black' and came direct from the Latin and most educated people would have had this knowledge. The names Niger and Nigeria also have the same root. You're quite right that people held views which would be considered racist by today's standards. You should hear what they said about the Germans at the time. Precisely. Xenophobia has been actively encouraged by the political establishment in times of national emergencies throughout the history of humanity. At present it's politically incorrect, but I have no doubt that at some point in the future this will swing the other way. You'd have to be naive in the extreme to think otherwise based on past precedents. Of course the Liberal Elite won't accept this because they are of the opinion that human nature has been "corrected" over the past 50 years, but I am of the belief that Enoch Powell was right and that mass immigration into this country will one day prove to be the catalyst for civil war. It's interesting to note that recent reports have suggested that the two main reasons for Labours demise were the senses of injustice felt by the electorate in that the party was perceived to favour lone parents and immigrants. This proves that despite the attempts of the Islington establishment Britain isn't the Socialist state they dream of.
solentstars Posted 14 June, 2011 Posted 14 June, 2011 Precisely. Xenophobia has been actively encouraged by the political establishment in times of national emergencies throughout the history of humanity. At present it's politically incorrect, but I have no doubt that at some point in the future this will swing the other way. You'd have to be naive in the extreme to think otherwise based on past precedents. Of course the Liberal Elite won't accept this because they are of the opinion that human nature has been "corrected" over the past 50 years, but I am of the belief that Enoch Powell was right and that mass immigration into this country will one day prove to be the catalyst for civil war. It's interesting to note that recent reports have suggested that the two main reasons for Labours demise were the senses of injustice felt by the electorate in that the party was perceived to favour lone parents and immigrants. This proves that despite the attempts of the Islington establishment Britain isn't the Socialist state they dream of. i thought you swing the other way:lol:mind you have some weird nightmares,anyway when are you going to start your next anti black,edl,bnp thread.
derry Posted 14 June, 2011 Posted 14 June, 2011 Wrong.... Whose face was used when the helmet came off at Vader's death scene? Sebastian Shaw?
alpine_saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Posted 14 June, 2011 Whose face was used when the helmet came off at Vader's death scene? Sebastian Shaw? Yes, but David Prowse was the body double for Darth Vader. The difference in size between Prowse and Shaw could not be seen because Shaw was lying down in his scene. I noticed that Shaw was replaced by Christiansen in the celebration/ghost scene at the end of Return of the Jedi:Special Edition.
Jonnyboy Posted 14 June, 2011 Posted 14 June, 2011 Precisely. Xenophobia has been actively encouraged by the political establishment in times of national emergencies throughout the history of humanity. At present it's politically incorrect, but I have no doubt that at some point in the future this will swing the other way. You'd have to be naive in the extreme to think otherwise based on past precedents. Of course the Liberal Elite won't accept this because they are of the opinion that human nature has been "corrected" over the past 50 years, but I am of the belief that Enoch Powell was right and that mass immigration into this country will one day prove to be the catalyst for civil war. It's interesting to note that recent reports have suggested that the two main reasons for Labours demise were the senses of injustice felt by the electorate in that the party was perceived to favour lone parents and immigrants. This proves that despite the attempts of the Islington establishment Britain isn't the Socialist state they dream of. cloud cukkoo land
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 14 June, 2011 Posted 14 June, 2011 Recent reports have suggested that the two main reasons for Labours demise were the senses of injustice felt by the electorate in that the party was perceived to favour lone parents and immigrants. Oh right, so not Iraq then. I wish I was privy to your inside information on public opinion. Oh yeah, I remember a million people marching on Hyde Park against Labour's perceived favour to lone parents. It makes my blood boil.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 16 June, 2011 Posted 16 June, 2011 Time Bandits I miss you. We all do. Come back to us.
derry Posted 16 June, 2011 Posted 16 June, 2011 Yes, but David Prowse was the body double for Darth Vader. The difference in size between Prowse and Shaw could not be seen because Shaw was lying down in his scene. I noticed that Shaw was replaced by Christiansen in the celebration/ghost scene at the end of Return of the Jedi:Special Edition. Thanks. When I was a kid, I spent my summer holidays in Ireland. Sebastian Shaw lived a few hundred yards away in a historical rectory and also from an actor point of view, that was once occupied by C S Lewis and in recent years by John Hurt, but he no longer owns it.
Kingsland Codger Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 Mervyn Hallam, curator of RAF Scampton museum, today slammed the change and accused Fry of trying to ‘rewrite history’. He said: ‘It’s not a problem with coloured people it’s the people in power creating the problem. Sod their political correctness and sod human rights. I'm far more concerned with the creator of an RAF museum saying "sod human rights" - he doesn't seem to have grasped one of the main topics of WW2. And as for films changing the names of dogs, I wonder if the Tintin cartoons and films will ever change the name of his dog from Snowy?
Deano6 Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 Why, has snowy been used as a term to incite racial hatred?
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 Why, has snowy been used as a term to incite racial hatred? No, but if the dog was called "Honkey" I think people would be rightly ****ed off and you can bet your ******** that dunce would be up in arms!
benjii Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 No, but if the dog was called "Honkey" I think people would be rightly ****ed off and you can bet your ******** that dunce would be up in arms! I doubt anyone would give a ****, to be honest.
Jimmy_D Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Dune, if you want to watch a more historically accurate version, why not just watch the original? This is, after all, just entertainment based on a historical event. The records and history of the original events won't be changed, and while people might mistakenly believe something that wasn't true because of a film, that's nothing new! (For a film that hangs several lampshades on this and a brightly coloured hat, watch Churchill: The Hollywood Years). People learning history won't suddenly change what they're learning because of a historically innaccurate film, and in fact if it is used to help teach, innaccuracies are only highlighted by the film, and in this age of limitless communication and information, the truth is out there for people that want to look for it, or to present in any argument that ensues in the event that someone's trying to use a film as historical fact... If someone's not arguing about it, and not learning about it, does it really matter that they might believe an innaccurate version of events that much?
dune Posted 23 June, 2011 Author Posted 23 June, 2011 No, but if the dog was called "Honkey" I think people would be rightly ****ed off and you can bet your ******** that dunce would be up in arms! That's not how it works. I would expect the Liberal Elite to be up in arms on my behalf. Whether I was up in arms or not would be irrelevent. The Liberal Elite would decide for me what I thought about it. So Thorpie let me know what I think about it please and then speak for me on it. Don't bother to ask my opinion, just say what you think I should be thinking.
Kingsland Codger Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Why, has snowy been used as a term to incite racial hatred? No, not yet - and that's the point.
badgerx16 Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 You'll give yourself a heart attack one of these days. That does involve a presumption !
Secret Site Agent Posted 26 June, 2011 Posted 26 June, 2011 I'm more concerned with the Hollywood remake. 'The great and heroic story of how Lootenant Colonel Gus Gibbons, of the 97th Bomb Group, United States Army Air Force takes the war to the Krauts with the new invention from Barney Wallis, the New York Bouncing Bomb. Starring Ben Affleck as Lootenant Colonel Gus Gibbons Matt Damon as Lootenant Trent Ronkowski Samual L Jackson as General Anton Franklin Washington Harrison III Chris Rock as the voice of Migger rigger trigger s****** gigger Alan Rickman as Geobbles Tim Piggot-Smith as Georing John Hurt as Hitler Ralph Fiennes as VolderHimmler Kenneth Branagh as Adolf Eichmann Sorry. Still got hangovers from the film U571, and with a Great Uncle on HMS Bulldog, it upset me slightly.
alpine_saint Posted 28 June, 2011 Posted 28 June, 2011 Sorry. Still got hangovers from the film U571, and with a Great Uncle on HMS Bulldog, it upset me slightly. LOL. Never forget I was passing through Leicester Square on the day of U571's UK premiere, and joined in the protest going on outside the cinema..
Lets B Avenue Posted 28 June, 2011 Posted 28 June, 2011 LOL. Never forget I was passing through Leicester Square on the day of U571's UK premiere, and joined in the protest going on outside the cinema.. What were you protesting about? The fact that they hadn't spent any money on it?
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