Turkish Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 It does not matter if he was playing at international level or sunday league, a football brain is making the correct decisions at the right time. You cannot, even with the most biased opinion in the whole wide world, claim Theo make the correct decisions on Saturday night. That is one of the reasons why he was taken off and another why England did not win the game. No Theo didn't, but he was playing at INTERNATIONAL level. Do you not think that the level you play at matters? Do you think Chamberlain would be as confident at skinning Ashley Cole as he would be Carlises Garry Borrowdale? DO you think he would make the same decision if he was playing Chelsea and Carlise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I am stunned that people can use division 3 as a yard stick to say someone will go to the very top of english football.....what the fuk is going on..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I am stunned that people can use division 3 as a yard stick to say someone will go to the very top of english football.....what the fuk is going on..? The standard of the opposition doesn't matter dont forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I am stunned that people can use division 3 as a yard stick to say someone will go to the very top of english football.....what the fuk is going on..? Not a huge difference to saying the same about Walcott when he was playing and losing against teams like Luton Town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Not a huge difference to saying the same about Walcott when he was playing and losing against teams like Luton Town. that was one game..the games walcott played were against consistantly better opposition..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 (edited) I am stunned that people can use division 3 as a yard stick to say someone will go to the very top of english football.....what the fuk is going on..? Then why are some of the biggest clubs in the world interested in him, despite Alex never playing a competitive league game higher than the 3rd tier? You don't need to see a winger up against a Premier League left back to determine if he has pace, ball control, a good first touch, passing ability etc etc or not. Put Walcott in Saints League One side and you could see he was a good player even though he is up against Dagenham & Redbridge's left back for exactly the same reason you could determine Chamberlain is a good player up against the same full back. Many footballing skills (but not all) don't require an opponent of any kind let alone a Premier League one, in order to determine if a player is exceptional at them or not. Edited 6 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Then why are some of the biggest clubs in the world interested in him, despite Alex never playing a competitive league game higher than the 3rd tier? You don't need to see a winger up against a Premier League left back to determine if he has pace, ball control, a good first touch, passing ability etc etc or not. Put Walcott in Saints League One side and you could see he was a good player even though he is up against Dagenham & Redbridge's left back for exactly the same reason you could determine Chamberlain is a good player up against the same full back. Many footballing skills (but not all) don't require an opponent of any kind let alone a Premier League one, in order to determine if a player is exceptional at them or not. There is no doubt Chamberlain is a good player, no one is saying he isn't. What i find laughable are the claims Chamberlain has a better football brain than Walcott and using Walcotts performances at international level as evidence to back this up. He may do, he may not, but you cant compare one player in Division 3 playing against Dagenham and Wallsall with another who is playing international and champions league football. I certainly dont remember Chamberlain skinning O'Shea or Fabio in the cup game like he has done Wallsalls and Dagenhams fullbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 What is the threshold then? Can someone who plays in a lower league not be considered to have a better 'football brain' than someone in a higher league purely because of the level they play at? Walcott is like a headless chicken at times and he is a very good player when he has to act on instinct and has no options to think about. With players ahead of him and the ball at his feet, it is atrocious at times. I see the composure and maturity in Chamberlain's game that I didn't in Walcott at the same age. Then again, I thought Walcott would go on to be brilliant and quite frankly he is a slightly above average player which is a massive comedown from what was expected of him when he broke through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 There is no doubt Chamberlain is a good player, no one is saying he isn't. What i find laughable are the claims Chamberlain has a better football brain than Walcott and using Walcotts performances at international level as evidence to back this up. He may do, he may not, but you cant compare one player in Division 3 playing against Dagenham and Wallsall with another who is playing international and champions league football. I certainly dont remember Chamberlain skinning O'Shea or Fabio in the cup game like he has done Wallsalls and Dagenhams fullbacks. Chamberlain played on his weaker left side in that one and without Lallana playing. Fabio was on the other side and he's less likely to skin peoplle if his instinct is to cut inside. He's not the main ideas man. If he is, he hasn't developed it yet. Lots of really good wingers aren't. present him an opportunity and he'll deliver, but he can't create it on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 There is no doubt Chamberlain is a good player, no one is saying he isn't. What i find laughable are the claims Chamberlain has a better football brain than Walcott For a start skinning someone is not the sign of wether a player has a brain or not. I nominate one Matthew Le Tissier as evidence of that, so I fail to see what the skinning or not of O'Shea etc has to do with anything. You can laugh as much as you like but nothing will convionce me that Alex is not a more intelligent player than Theo. But niether those of us who believe he is or those who believe he isnt are going to know for a few years yet so its all personal opinion at present. Lets revisit this thread in say 2016 to find out who was right :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Talent is more than your brain telling you what to do. If it was I would have played at a much higher level than I did. My feet though weren't always capable of doing as they were told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 can mods please merge the Chamberlain threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 The standard of the opposition doesn't matter dont forget. ... so why the **** Liverpool would want to pay more than £250k for him I'll never understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 (edited) Chamberlain played on his weaker left side in that one and without Lallana playing. Fabio was on the other side and he's less likely to skin peoplle if his instinct is to cut inside. He's not the main ideas man. If he is, he hasn't developed it yet. Lots of really good wingers aren't. present him an opportunity and he'll deliver, but he can't create it on his own. But surely with his "great football brain" which is better than current England internationals, it wont matter which side he plays on, he'd easily be able to adapt. Edited 7 June, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 For a start skinning someone is not the sign of wether a player has a brain or not. I nominate one Matthew Le Tissier as evidence of that, so I fail to see what the skinning or not of O'Shea etc has to do with anything. You can laugh as much as you like but nothing will convionce me that Alex is not a more intelligent player than Theo. But niether those of us who believe he is or those who believe he isnt are going to know for a few years yet so its all personal opinion at present. Lets revisit this thread in say 2016 to find out who was right :-) But Chamberlain made Garry Borrowdale look a mug and got him sent off by skinning him, he skinned the D&R left back all day, are you saying he would make different decisions against Ashely Cole and Gareth Bale? How can this be, when the standard of opposition doesn't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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