Thedelldays Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I didn't say he didn't play well. Sometimes when you see a young player you just know that he has got it (and so do the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd etc) such as Theo, Bale, Oxo. It is fairly obvious to me that Oxo's decision making at 17 is better than Theo's was at 17 - this actually has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition. actually. it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 You can judge decision making even if the quality of opponent is lower. There isn't much difference between the Championship (when Theo played for Saints) and the upper reaches of League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Poor old Theo getting an absolute hammering on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 (edited) You need to re-read my post - the clue is in comparing them at 17. HTH. Err no, you said "when Chamberlaing plays for England" so guessing what he'll be like in 4 years time based on 2/3rds of a season in league one. How many players have set the championship alight yet never made it in the premier league? Koumas, Mcsheffery, Earnshaw etc etc. At 17 Walcott was the hotest property in European football, he had set the championship alight and has never had the honour of decision making against clubs as low as Walsall. Until Chamberlain has consistantly delivered at premier league, champions league and international level then and only then can people say he is a better player. Until then the assumption he has a better football brain than Walcott because he looked great against Carlise and Wallsall is absolutely ridiculous. Edited 4 June, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 actually. it does If you have a football brain then the quality of the opposition is irrelevant as I believe we will see in the coming years as Oxo progresses. Until that happens then of course our respective views are conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I didn't say he didn't play well. Sometimes when you see a young player you just know that he has got it (and so do the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd etc) such as Theo, Bale, Oxo. It is fairly obvious to me that Oxo's decision making at 17 is better than Theo's was at 17 - this actually has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition. Does that mean lallana is better than Inestia because he scored more goals from midfield last season then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Does that mean lallana is better than Inestia because he scored more goals from midfield last season then? Yes, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 If you have a football brain then the quality of the opposition is irrelevant as I believe we will see in the coming years as Oxo progresses. Until that happens then of course our respective views are conjecture. So you are saying that when being marked by Gary Borrwdale or Ashley Cole, Chamberlain would make the exactly the same decisions? He'd be just as confident of skinning both, cutting inside them, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Yes, obviously. That's alright then. Must be a few sunday league players that have scored a hatful this season who CDAJFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Err no, you said "when Chamberlaing plays for England" so guessing what he'll be like in 4 years time based on 2/3rds of a season in league one. How many players have set the championship alight yet never made it in the premier league? Koumas, Mcsheffer, Earnshaw etc etc. At 17 Walcott was the honest property in European football, he had set the championship alight and has never had the honour of decision making against clubs as low as Walsall. Until Chamberlain has consistantly delivered at premier league, champions league and international level then and only then can people say he is a better player. Until then the assumption he has a better football brain than Walcott because he looked great against Carlise and Wallsall is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not saying he is a better player at this moment. Do I think he will be? Yes, for the reasons outlined previously. There is hardly a gulf between some teams in League 1 and the Championship so again I think it is valid to compare the two at 17. Anything higher is a huge step up granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I'm not saying he is a better player at this moment. Do I think he will be? Yes, for the reasons outlined previously. There is hardly a gulf between some teams in League 1 and the Championship so again I think it is valid to compare the two at 17. Anything higher is a huge step up granted. Again it's difficult to judge this until Chamberlain has played for 6 months in the Championship. The gulf might not be huge but there is a gulf none the less. At 17 Walcott was THE best young player in England if not Europe, he was also the best player in the Saints team. He might not have gone onto become a world great like some expected but he is still a good international level player. With no disrespect to Chamberlain who is a very good young player, he isn't the best player in the current Saints team at the moment who have been playing the division below and he isn't the best young player in England. I really think only those looking through SFC tinted glasses can believe Chamberlain is better at the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Does that mean lallana is better than Inestia because he scored more goals from midfield last season then? Don't be stupid he's not better than Iniesta he's better than messi...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 (edited) Err no, you said "when Chamberlaing plays for England" so guessing what he'll be like in 4 years time based on 2/3rds of a season in league one. How many players have set the championship alight yet never made it in the premier league? Koumas, Mcsheffery, Earnshaw etc etc. At 17 Walcott was the hotest property in European football, he had set the championship alight and has never had the honour of decision making against clubs as low as Walsall. Until Chamberlain has consistantly delivered at premier league, champions league and international level then and only then can people say he is a better player. Until then the assumption he has a better football brain than Walcott because he looked great against Carlise and Wallsall is absolutely ridiculous. fair point, but Chamberlain IS a better player IMO at 17 than Walcott was. It matters little. All that matters right now is whether he will be a Saints when he gets his first England U21 cap. He will tear the NPC up make no mistake. Edited 4 June, 2011 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Again it's difficult to judge this until Chamberlain has played for 6 months in the Championship. The gulf might not be huge but there is a gulf none the less. At 17 Walcott was THE best young player in England if not Europe, he was also the best player in the Saints team. He might not have gone onto become a world great like some expected but he is still a good international level player. With no disrespect to Chamberlain who is a very good young player, he isn't the best player in the current Saints team at the moment who have been playing the division below and he isn't the best young player in England. I really think only those looking through SFC tinted glasses can believe Chamberlain is better at the same age. Opinion or fact? I am merely stating my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I think Chambo will be a better player, he has a better football brain - that's why Ferguson is sniffing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Chamberlain has improved greatly this season....if the progression continues the answer to questions on the comparison will be clearer. I have a feeling that Chamberlain might end up as a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Opinion or fact? I am merely stating my opinion. You obviously don't understand. You're not entitled to an opinion until Turkish tells you you are. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Originally Posted by Turkish Err no, you said "when Chamberlaing plays for England" so guessing what he'll be like in 4 years time based on 2/3rds of a season in league one. How many players have set the championship alight yet never made it in the premier league? Koumas, Mcsheffery, Earnshaw etc etc. At 17 Walcott was the hotest property in European football, he had set the championship alight and has never had the honour of decision making against clubs as low as Walsall. Until Chamberlain has consistantly delivered at premier league, champions league and international level then and only then can people say he is a better player. Until then the assumption he has a better football brain than Walcott because he looked great against Carlise and Wallsall is absolutely ridiculous. fair point, but Chamberlain IS a better player IMO at 17 than Walcott was. It matters little. All that matters right now is whether he will be a Saints when he gets his first England U21 cap. He will tear the NPC up make no mistake. IMO Walcott was far superior to Oxo at the same age, took your breath away at times. But I can easily see Oxo becoming the far better player, because Walcott after all this time and coaching is just not sure what he is meant to be doing on a football pitch. He goes through the motions and set routines adequately, but other than that he has not got a clue. Give the lad a selfish, attitude just focused on scoring and the whole world could be raving about the player. As it is he just seems shackled by uncertainty and this team attitude indoctrinated into him by Arsenal and what he had to do at an early age to play alongside Henry. Football wise I believe it was the worst thing he could of done for his own progression by going to Arsenal and getting treated as a eunuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 IMO Walcott was far superior to Oxo at the same age, took your breath away at times. But I can easily see Oxo becoming the far better player, because Walcott after all this time and coaching is just not sure what he is meant to be doing on a football pitch. He goes through the motions and set routines adequately, but other than that he has not got a clue. Give the lad a selfish, attitude just focused on scoring and the whole world could be raving about the player. As it is he just seems shackled by uncertainty and this team attitude indoctrinated into him by Arsenal and what he had to do at an early age to play alongside Henry. Football wise I believe it was the worst thing he could of done for his own progression by going to Arsenal and getting treated as a eunuch. Spot on ! was saying this to a mate while watching the England game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 IMO Walcott was far superior to Oxo at the same age, took your breath away at times. But I can easily see Oxo becoming the far better player, because Walcott after all this time and coaching is just not sure what he is meant to be doing on a football pitch. He goes through the motions and set routines adequately, but other than that he has not got a clue. Give the lad a selfish, attitude just focused on scoring and the whole world could be raving about the player. As it is he just seems shackled by uncertainty and this team attitude indoctrinated into him by Arsenal and what he had to do at an early age to play alongside Henry. Football wise I believe it was the worst thing he could of done for his own progression by going to Arsenal and getting treated as a eunuch. Spot on, he is a runner with lightning pace, neutered, playing in teams that want win the pass statistics. He should have gone to MU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Expect bids for Phil Jones, Jordan Henderson and an £8m bid for Connor Wickham to all become public knowledge over the course of the summer. Thoughts? This is not news. Likely Bids for these players has already been widely reported in the press. OXO has not be mentioned anywhere in a Liverpool connection, only Gooners and they have more immediate concerns to address as has been widely discussed on here before as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 God your boring Only to half-wits with their heads in the sand. The thinking people know he has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 You obviously don't understand. You're not entitled to an opinion until Turkish tells you you are. HTH Shut up you clown. How any one can compare one player who has 2/3rds of a season playing against Walsall and Dagenham to a player who is now a full England international and has spent the last 3 seasons playing regularly for a team who has finished top 4 in the premier league, scared the sh*t out od Barcelona, who are regarded as one of the greatest teams ever, scored a hatrick for England and scored at Wembley in a domestic cup final, yet argue that the League One prospect has a better football brain is laughable, unless of course you are the type of Saints fan that thinks Scott Parker, Micheal Owen and Shay GIven are falling over themselves to join us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Shut up you clown. How any one can compare one player who has 2/3rds of a season playing against Walsall and Dagenham to a player who is now a full England international and has spent the last 3 seasons playing regularly for a team who has finished top 4 in the premier league, scared the sh*t out od Barcelona, who are regarded as one of the greatest teams ever, scored a hatrick for England and scored at Wembley in a domestic cup final, yet argue that the League One prospect has a better football brain is laughable, unless of course you are the type of Saints fan that thinks Scott Parker, Micheal Owen and Shay GIven are falling over themselves to join us. Yessum Mr Turkish sir. Whatever you say. Where would we all be without you here to tell us what to think, wear and eat at a game of football? Now not that I can really be arsed to engage in the largely futile arguments with other stubborn minded goons like your good self these days. But I think people are quite entitled to express their opinions on Chamberlain's potential regardless of your attempts to browbeat them into towing the Turkish party line. When Bale first came on the scene I was of the opinion that he would be better than Bridgey and was a bit special. But by your rules I'm not allowed to make this comparison because he was playing against Luton and Southend while Bridgey was playing for Chelsea and England. Reality is it's a natural (if rather tiresome) comparison to make and one that people can only really make based on what they see. The same goes for people comparing Chamberlain and Theo. The reason i think he will become a better player is what he does with the ball...he's cool as a cucumber and makes great use of the ball in attacking areas. Now i may turn out to be right...or Chamberlain's star may well and truly fade...doesn't really matter either way but I'll reserve the right to express my opinions regardless of what you have to say. Other than that I'll say I find the whole recently discovered concept of a "footballing brain" to be utter b::ll::cks. And that no I am perfectly capable of comprehending that the players you have mentioned are not realistic targets for a Championship team...even one that is the by far the greatest team the world has ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 (edited) /\ I am not "browbeating them" i am trying to understand the logic, particularly the comments that it doesn't matter who the opposition are when you have this great football brain. Also the laughable comment on another thread that only his attitude can stop him becoming a world great and his attitude doesn't seem to be a problem, yes thats right people he is the new Messi FFS. I'd have thought it'd be much easier to look like a world beater against the likes of the magnificent Gary Borrowdale of Carlise and other no mark league one full backs than against Ashely Cole or Gareth Bale but it seems not. Everyone seems to go on about Chamberlain being better at the same age and using Theo apparantly running up blind alleys at internatinal level as evidence of this, forgetting that when Walcott was with us he was one of the hotest prospects in Europe, scored plenty and was head and shoulders the best player in our team, Chamberlain isn't and that is for a team playing the division below. Walcott has never had the honour of playing league one football, if Chamberlain tears the championship apart next season then i might form the opinion that Chamberlain will be a better player and go onto become a top 4 club, champions league and full international player, until then and you can make a like for like comparison based on the same standard of opposition it is very difficult to say, although of course if some people believe that the opposition doesn't matter when you have thisd great football brain whatever that may be. I am sure we should just send a few scouts out to watch sunday league pub football and pick up a few players from there as i am sure there are plenty of players turning out at Riverside Park every sunday morning who can make great decisions when playing against hungover, slow, over weight cart horses. Edited 5 June, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Sell him and use the money to reduce the rip-off ticket prices and scrap the booking fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Sell him and use the money to reduce the rip-off ticket prices and scrap the booking fee. maybe, we could sell lallana and fonte too...get relegated and charge £15 per match mid table in league 1..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Sell him and use the money to reduce the rip-off ticket prices and scrap the booking fee. No point, we have "too much money" as it is. An extra £10m isn't going to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 (edited) maybe, we could sell lallana and fonte too...get relegated and charge £15 per match mid table in league 1..... £10 a match is about right for L1. £15 a match is about right for the CCC. £20 for the Premiership. The ridiculous amounts clubs are charging today aren't affordable for most people, unless you are willing to cut back in other areas. For many people wages are not rising or they are falling and the cost of living - food, fuel etc are rising. I'll still go to the odd game, don't get me wrong, but going to the football is no longer a regular thing - more of a treat. I expect this will increasingly be the case for a lot of people. Can't wait for the fixtures to come out so I can pencil in the big games - West Ham, Pompey etc. As for the run of the mill games - f/ck paying £27 + the ticket tax. Edited 5 June, 2011 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Football was originally a working class game. How times are changing with all these price rises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 £10 a match is about right for L1. £15 a match is about right for the CCC. £20 for the Premiership. The ridiculous amounts clubs are charging today aren't affordable for most people, unless you are willing to cut back in other areas. For many people wages are not rising or they are falling and the cost of living - food, fuel etc are rising. I'll still go to the odd game, don't get me wrong, but going to the football is no longer a regular thing - more of a treat. I expect this will increasingly be the case for a lot of people. Can't wait for the fixtures to come out so I can pencil in the big games - West Ham, Pompey etc. As for the run of the mill games - f/ck paying £27 + the ticket tax. Well just don't go then, thousands of people turn up week in week out even at the prices that you suggest are too high so clearly there is a demand for watching football at prices higher than you quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 sorry, you cant compare the two...until OxO has played and played well against some of the world best players Walcott was a shining light in a team full of **** and Chamberlain has been a shining light in a team full of shining lights, so its easy to lose perspective of how good they were in relation to eachother at 16/17. We don't know how good Chamberlain is against the best because he hasn't had the chance yet. He'll be playing against better players next year and that will give us some idea. Chamberlain hasn't been corrupted by a supposedly top manager trying to turn him into something he's not, so I do think he's potentially better than Walcott currently is. Out of the top managers in England (ones with a secure job), only Ferguson really knows his way around wingers. I don't know enough about the records of Saggy or Dalglish with wingers to make an informed judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 LIverpool Bid For Chamberlain I have it on good authority that Liverpool have put in a bid for Alex Chamberlain. I'm not certain on the exact figures, but I'm told the deal could surpass the £10m mark based on installments and future payments. Liverpool are looking to invest heavily in youth this summer. Expect bids for Phil Jones, Jordan Henderson and an £8m bid for Connor Wickham to all become public knowledge over the course of the summer. Just passing on what I've heard! For what it's worth, I don't think Chamberlain would go to Liverpool. If we do lose him this summer, I'd expect it to be to Man Utd or Arsenal. Admittedly I'm biased, but I still believe he's best off staying at Saints for at least another year. Thoughts? Thoughts - Don't start a speculative thread based on no evidence whatsoever by giving it a title that implies that speculation is fact. It is NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Thoughts - Don't start a speculative thread based on no evidence whatsoever by giving it a title that implies that speculation is fact. It is NOT. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 maybe, but he quickly recognised that N'Guessen, Forte and Stephens weren't better than Pardew's signings so by and large he didn't play them. Jury still out on him in terms of his ability to sign talent in my book. Mind you January is never an easy window, so this summer and the season ahead will be the real acid test. Perhaps he realised that N'Guessen, Forte and Stephens weren't better than Lallana, Chamberlain and Chaplow - two of whom were here prior to Pardew whilst the other was an Adkins signing? In any event, as someone else also posted, it was made clear at the end of January the primary targets couldn't be purchased due to inflated prices based on the Chamberlain rumours. Plus, each of these 3 did make a significant contribution to wards the number of points we obtained. Therefore, not totally wasted signings. Additionally, the first 2 gave us options of speed out wide (which everyone said we needed back in Jan) and the latter was short term cover during a CM crises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsforlife7 Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 I can't see what all this best to go to Arsenal business is about, yes they have a record in producing good players, but world class players? Look at Theo, looked the next best thing when he came through here and now he's a rotation player there as he has not found a definite position, they've brought through Fabregas yes but other than that they haven't done fantastically well Whereas you look at SAF at Manure and he has a track record of turning kids into class players, Rooney was always special but he's turned into a top player, as well as Ronaldo, Nani and The Da Silva twins, I'd be more inclined to go to Utd than Arsenal if I wanted to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 I can't see what all this best to go to Arsenal business is about, yes they have a record in producing good players, but world class players? Look at Theo, looked the next best thing when he came through here and now he's a rotation player there as he has not found a definite position, they've brought through Fabregas yes but other than that they haven't done fantastically well Whereas you look at SAF at Manure and he has a track record of turning kids into class players, Rooney was always special but he's turned into a top player, as well as Ronaldo, Nani and The Da Silva twins, I'd be more inclined to go to Utd than Arsenal if I wanted to improve errr, yes, more so than the other top clubs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Rooney is a top player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Rooney is a top player? man u have not produced a world class young player since beckham and that came through..and they have all but retired now.....unless you count, bebe, obertan, richardson, macheda, chadwick, higgingbothom etc as world class youngsters same as liverpool with gerrard and...err, that is it.... rooney was hardly a product of man u system...he was already playing for england (and starring) in euro 2004 whilst playing for everton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Walcott ran down blind alleys last night. He did not trust himself to be able to push the ball around the full back and then get down to the by-line to cross back. Chamberlain has done this so many times for Saints. IMO Chambo has got a better football brain than Theo had at his age and will become a great player. It seems that Dalglish, Fergie and Wenger think so too, if they desire to pay all that reported money for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Walcott ran down blind alleys last night. He did not trust himself to be able to push the ball around the full back and then get down to the by-line to cross back. Chamberlain has done this so many times for Saints. IMO Chambo has got a better football brain than Theo had at his age and will become a great player. It seems that Dalglish, Fergie and Wenger think so too, if they desire to pay all that reported money for him. Please explain what a "football brain" is. And you are comparing someone playing at international level against someone playing at League one level, it's a ridiculous comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Apparently they haven't bid - and we're discussing a new deal with him which will hopefully be sorted by pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Good to hear, but how do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Good to hear, but how do you know this? Spoke to someone earlier who had been to the game today and got a few snippets from ''sources''. I thought I'd share as it sounded quite positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Apparently they haven't bid - and we're discussing a new deal with him which will hopefully be sorted by pre-season. going by your posts this evening..you have been ear-wigging at SMS today.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 June, 2011 Share Posted 5 June, 2011 Please explain what a "football brain" is. And you are comparing someone playing at international level against someone playing at League one level, it's a ridiculous comparison. I would say it's knowing where to run and making the right choices when an the ball. When and where to pass or shoot. Theo is still learning and is still miles from peaking but judging purely on what they did at Saints I would say Chambo makes better decisions than Theo did at the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Please explain what a "football brain" is. And you are comparing someone playing at international level against someone playing at League one level, it's a ridiculous comparison. It does not matter if he was playing at international level or sunday league, a football brain is making the correct decisions at the right time. You cannot, even with the most biased opinion in the whole wide world, claim Theo make the correct decisions on Saturday night. That is one of the reasons why he was taken off and another why England did not win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I would say it's knowing where to run and making the right choices when an the ball. When and where to pass or shoot. Theo is still learning and is still miles from peaking but judging purely on what they did at Saints I would say Chambo makes better decisions than Theo did at the same age. Agree with this, having that clarity of thought and the confidence that goes with it is what is meant by 'a football brain'. A lot of the Chamberlain detractors are using Barca players to beat him down, can they honestly say there is no such thing as 'a football brain' when they watched Barca's players destroy Utd a week ago. They achieved this through their speed and clarity of thought, confidence and superior technique, all of which are mental processess. If you don't believe that, then you must think that the Barca team are either geneticly engineered supermen or are from another planet. I know Chamberlain is a way off of that level of performance at the moment and sadly he may never achieve it unless he transfers to a top european team whilst still quite young, as I do not see any team in England where the other players would be on the same wave length as him, which is where, in my opinion Theo's development has stalled, imagine how much better a player Theo would look running through onto passes from Iniesta or Xabi. I saw a lot of Theo and Dyer playing when they were in the youth team and have to say that in the games I saw, Dyer looked the better player of the two, including in a match against a young West Ham side at Upton Park which was at the time regarded as one of the best youth teams around, where he destroyed them, being head and shoulders above Theo in the game. No one would argue who the better player is now though. I share the opinion of others having seen a lot of both players at the same age, that Chamberlain has a greater potential, just like Theo he has the ability to turn a fullback inside out and has almost as much pace, but is harder to knock off the ball than Theo was and takes kicks and roughing up a lot better than Theo did. I saw some particularly nasty assaults on Chambo last season and rather than react in the way that most people would, he just got up and got on with the game, so although the technical ability of the players he was facing may not be as good as those faced by Theo at the same age, Chamberlain had to play against players that were a lot more physical and gave less time and were tighter on him than those faced by Theo. BTW, just like Theo, AC Milan and Barcelona have both already expressed an interest in Alex, so he can't be half bad can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Funny I've heard it on good authority he's going Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Well, my nextdoor neighbour drives Mancini and heard Man City are interested. I don't really think it likely but I did tell him the price is £15m+. See if they bite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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