Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: Can he report his own post? Yep, and I have: As yet, I have not been infracted. Make of that what you will...
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: I find that the biggest insult of them all. I do not tolerate any form of racism, no matter how minor, and it is certainly not conducted in the art of "basic trolling". It is something I take very seriously in 'real life' as well. You seem to tolerate your mate JFP casual xenophobia? is that OK now in your world then Bungle?
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Scummer said: Hmm, good question. By the way, I reported something earlier, and nothing has happened. I'm sticking to my view that the complaints system is an elaborate hoax. Ive seen the email, but Im too busy with this thread to have a look at the complaint. Im sure the other Mods and Admins will also see it at some point too.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: Can he report his own post? It's all too much for me to work out. If he does report his own post, can he then back his post when defending himself later on? Maybe he would be able to sign something to say that at the time of making his post he was losing heavily in an argument, thus making him resort to the very kind of language that they ask us to refrain from using. By doing so I feel the other mods will take him under their wing for some extra training and he will hit the road in good form for the future.
Scummer Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Ive seen the email, but Im too busy with this thread to have a look at the complaint. Im sure the other Mods and Admins will also see it at some point too. So you're too busy arguing with people to actually do any moderating? Ok.
Jillyanne Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I feel this thread has slightly gone 'off topic'.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: You seem to tolerate your mate JFP casual xenophobia? is that OK now in your world then Bungle? I do not recall the thread the comment you are quoting was posted on. However, if the person JFP is referring to is French, and JFP considers them a "tw at" then it would be the same difference as if he had said "French legend" had his views been opposite.
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: I do not recall the thread the comment you are quoting was posted on. However, if the person JFP is referring to is French, and JFP considers them a "tw at" then it would be the same difference as if he had said "French legend" had his views been opposite. Oh dear, I dont think you have thought this through. If the chap in the article has been of African origin and Shane had posted the words "Black tw at", you would have been all over him as quick as a wink. Do you deny that?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: I do not recall the thread the comment you are quoting was posted on. However, if the person JFP is referring to is French, and JFP considers them a "tw at" then it would be the same difference as if he had said "French legend" had his views been opposite. That is pretty much the stance I took to be honest. He is French and also a bit of a tw at for getting his hand stuck down the toilet and causing so much hassle for all concerned. It in no way affects my feelings towards the French or will affect my plans to buy a holiday home in Brittany.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Oh dear, I dont think you have thought this through. If the chap in the article has been of African origin and Shane had posted the words "Black tw at", you would have been all over him as quick as a wink. Do you deny that? Had the person merely been of African origin (and that all the information available) then to judge on grounds of race would be absurd as there are both white and black Africans. The fact you have assumed that African origin = black is, frankly, a bit racist.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Oh dear, I dont think you have thought this through. If the chap in the article has been of African origin and Shane had posted the words "Black tw at", you would have been all over him as quick as a wink. Do you deny that? You shouldn't call African people "has beens." They deserve the same respect as the French, Germans and even the Dutch. Even if they are tw ats.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 JohnnyFartPants said: That is pretty much the stance I took to be honest. He is French and also a bit of a tw at for getting his hand stuck down the toilet and causing so much hassle for all concerned. It in now way affects my feelings towards the French or will affect my plans to buy a holiday home in Brittany. Please inform me of your holiday home plans as and when they develop, as I would be interested in renting it off you for a week at substantially lower than market value. Many thanks.
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: Had the person merely been of African origin (and that all the information available) then to judge on grounds of race would be absurd as there are both white and black Africans. The fact you have assumed that African origin = black is, frankly, a bit racist. Now that is the best sidestep Ive ever seen! Now, Im not aware of any "white" native Africans, but thats beside the point. Cmon Bungle, answer the question put to you. If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: Please inform me of your holiday home plans as and when they develop, as I would be interested in renting it off you for a week at substantially lower than market value. Many thanks. No worries. I aim to buy in Spring next year.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Now that is the best sidestep Ive ever seen! Now, Im not aware of any "white" native Africans, but thats beside the point. Cmon Bungle, answer the question put to you. If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism? It is not a side step. It is an answer to your question. If this story had happened in Africa, and someone had said "black tw at", then yes, I would accuse them of being racist as there would be no information available as to what the race of the person in question was.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Now that is the best sidestep Ive ever seen! Now, Im not aware of any "white" native Africans, but thats beside the point. Cmon Bungle, answer the question put to you. If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism? It isn't really beside the point. Basically the reverse to this is to say that black British people are not really British in your eyes. It's the same both ways you know.
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: It is not a side step. It is an answer to your question. If this story had happened in Africa, and someone had said "black tw at", then yes, I would accuse them of being racist as there would be no information available as to what the race of the person in question was. No, answer the question please, not what you would want the question to be: If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: No, answer the question please, not what you would want the question to be: If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism? Well it would, wouldn't it? I concede that. He could have been a black French tw at or a white French tw at though. To stop being racist in this instance it is best to remove the colour of his skin from the argument and just stick to the basics. He is a French tw at. A tw at that is French. To argue against you is to say for instance that you didn't like someone as they were too black. That would never do.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: No, answer the question please, not what you would want the question to be: If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism? I am answering your question. You just don't get it, do you? As JFP has shown above the issue of race does not come into it, and you are also denying there are white Africans now, to boot.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Oh dear, I dont think you have thought this through. If the chap in the article has been of African origin and Shane had posted the words "Black tw at", you would have been all over him as quick as a wink. Do you deny that? Pancake said: No, answer the question please, not what you would want the question to be: If the article had been about a black man and someone had posted "black tw at", would you or would you not have accused them of racism? Also, please note the difference between your actual question, and the question you are now claiming you asked.
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 So, we are to conclude that casual xenophobia is fine and dandy then.. Awesome.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: So, we are to conclude that casual xenophobia is fine and dandy then.. Awesome. As soon as you supported it being okay to call someone "too black" this view became obvious.
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 See what you started Rob? And you didn't even choose a number yet! [i bet he goes for number 9 the ginger one ]
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Right. I've been reading this load of rubbish and I'd like to mae a few points. Firstly, I cannot see that there could be any reasonable complaint that could arise from someone's opinion that a person is "too black" for their personal tastes. it's like saying that someone's nose is too large or that they don't like their hair colour. It is only racist if the person saying it means it to be, otherwise it is just a personal preference being opined. Secondly, racism isn't confined to colour. Calling someone a French twa t is as bad as calling someone a black twa t or a Sikh twa t or an Argentinian twa t. Having said that, joke or no, I shall be upset if any further derogatory remarks are made about race. I have looked at Pancake's reported post, and, as this is TMS, I have decided to take no action. Not because his comment was justified, but because the forum in which the comment appeared is designed to be more relaxed. This is not to say that blatant and hurtful insults will be tolerated; they won't. But just calling someone thick really doesn't fall into that category. Anyway children. Off you go and play nicely.
Jillyanne Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Weston Super Saint said: See what you started Rob? And you didn't even choose a number yet! [i bet he goes for number 9 the ginger one ] He chose # 4.
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Dark Sotonic Mills said: Right. I've been reading this load of rubbish and I'd like to mae a few points. Firstly, I cannot see that there could be any reasonable complaint that could arise from someone's opinion that a person is "too black" for their personal tastes. it's like saying that someone's nose is too large or that they don't like their hair colour. It is only racist if the person saying it means it to be, otherwise it is just a personal preference being opined. Secondly, racism isn't confined to colour. Calling someone a French twa t is as bad as calling someone a black twa t or a Sikh twa t or an Argentinian twa t. Having said that, joke or no, I shall be upset if any further derogatory remarks are made about race. I have looked at Pancake's reported post, and, as this is TMS, I have decided to take no action. Not because his comment was justified, but because the forum in which the comment appeared is designed to be more relaxed. This is not to say that blatant and hurtful insults will be tolerated; they won't. But just calling someone thick really doesn't fall into that category. Anyway children. Off you go and play nicely. For the record does ***t mean : 1. See you next Tuesday. 2. Trans World Atlantic Tea. Maybe we could have a poll?
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Jillyanne said: He chose # 4. Always sitting on the fence I chose number 9 and wish I didn't because she stinks of ****.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Dark Sotonic Mills said: Right. I've been reading this load of rubbish and I'd like to mae a few points. Firstly, I cannot see that there could be any reasonable complaint that could arise from someone's opinion that a person is "too black" for their personal tastes. it's like saying that someone's nose is too large or that they don't like their hair colour. It is only racist if the person saying it means it to be, otherwise it is just a personal preference being opined. Secondly, racism isn't confined to colour. Calling someone a French ***t is as bad as calling someone a black ***t or a Sikh ***t or an Argentinian ***t. Having said that, joke or no, I shall be upset if any further derogatory remarks are made about race. I have looked at Pancake's reported post, and, as this is TMS, I have decided to take no action. Not because his comment was justified, but because the forum in which the comment appeared is designed to be more relaxed. This is not to say that blatant and hurtful insults will be tolerated; they won't. But just calling someone thick really doesn't fall into that category. Anyway children. Off you go and play nicely. That's all well and good but what if you say someone's nose is too big and you already knew they were Jewish? Furthermore, were you thinking of a Jew when you said it or, perhaps Barry Manilow? What have you got against Barry Manilow anyway?
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Weston Super Saint said: For the record does ***t mean : 1. See you next Tuesday. 2. Trans World Atlantic Tea. Maybe we could have a poll? Don't you bloody start... anyway, I've edited it.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Ooh, he's having a go at the birds now, says they are all scroungers!
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 JohnnyFartPants said: That's all well and good but what if you say someone's nose is too big and you already knew they were Jewish? Furthermore, were you thinking of a Jew when you said it or, perhaps Barry Manilow? What have you got against Barry Manilow anyway? Large noses aren't the prerogative of Jewish people. Oh and by the way, the Jews are not a race, but they are a defined class under the Race Relations Act owing to a common religion, much as Sikhs are. And I have an awful lot against Barry Manilow, none of it due to the size of his proboscis or his religion, more to the fact that his "music" makes me want to put my head through a brick wall.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Dark Sotonic Mills said: Large noses aren't the prerogative of Jewish people. Oh and by the way, the Jews are not a race, but they are a defined class under the Race Relations Act owing to a common religion, much as Sikhs are. And I have an awful lot against Barry Manilow, none of it due to the size of his proboscis or his religion, more to the fact that his "music" makes me want to put my head through a brick wall. Come see the violence inherent in the system.
scott_saints Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Is the fight over? Who won?? Maybe we should have a poll?
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 scott_saints said: Is the fight over? Who won?? Maybe we should have a poll? Oi! I already asked for a poll! Find you own fred to ask for a poll on!
scott_saints Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Weston Super Saint said: Oi! I already asked for a poll! Find you own fred to ask for a poll on! My idea was more "poll worthy" than yours. So, do jog on you big fat camel toe. Scott e-dawg x
Scudamore Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 That's one sh:t thread i just wasted a portion of my life reading... Was almost like reading the main bored...
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Thank you DSM. PMSL. That comment just about sums everything up. "Thank you for coming to my rescue DSM. I am hopelessly out of my depth, and totally wrong and am trying to dig my way out of this hole."
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 scott_saints said: My idea was more "poll worthy" than yours. So, do jog on you big fat camel toe. Scott e-dawg x Now we need a poll to decide who's idea for a poll is the bestest
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: PMSL. That comment just about sums everything up. "Thank you for coming to my rescue DSM. I am hopelessly out of my depth, and totally wrong and am trying to dig my way out of this hole." Yes, thats the one. DSM comes on and backs up 100% of what I was saying and yet I'm in the wrong. Bungle you are a really really boring, grade A troll.
bungle Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Yes, thats the one. DSM comes on and backs up 100% of what I was saying and yet I'm in the wrong. Bungle you are a really really boring, grade A troll. DSM doesn't deny the existence of white Africans.
Jillyanne Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Yes, thats the one. DSM comes on and backs up 100% of what I was saying and yet I'm in the wrong. Bungle you are a really really boring, grade A troll. Does he live under a bridge?
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: Yes, thats the one. DSM comes on and backs up 100% of what I was saying and yet I'm in the wrong. Bungle you are a really really boring, grade A troll. Hey, where did your jelly baby thingy go?
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 bungle said: DSM doesn't deny the existence of white Africans. A new stick for you Bungle: Go beat it somewhere else, do us all a favour.
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Jillyanne said: Does he live under a bridge? Who, DSM? I'm sure he's mentioned a house or two.
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Weston Super Saint said: Hey, where did your jelly baby thingy go? That was soooo last week WSS! I ate him as he was French, the tw at.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: A new stick for you Bungle: Go beat it somewhere else, do us all a favour. Is that stick to scale ?
scott_saints Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Pancake said: That was soooo last week WSS! I ate him as he was French, the tw at. lolz.
Pancake Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 INFLUENCED.COM said: Is that stick to scale ? Yes, trolls are known for their short stature.
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