Special K Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 Getting a bit silly now. It's a bit patchy at the best of times, but this is getting stupid. When you add hot weather to the overflowing bins and street litter discarded by thoughtless pikes, it's not nice out there. time to get back to work fellas, else you'll only alienate the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 This is the end of days. If the overflowing bins don't get you, the cucumbers will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 3 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 June, 2011 This is the end of days. If the overflowing bins don't get you, the cucumbers will. Leave the cucumbers in the bins and they will mutate; growing arms, legs and a 10 inch penis before going off to defile those on picket lines. Is that what they want, 'cos that's what'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 Getting a bit silly now. It's a bit patchy at the best of times, but this is getting stupid. When you add hot weather to the overflowing bins and street litter discarded by thoughtless pikes, it's not nice out there. time to get back to work fellas, else you'll only alienate the people. You would of thought that these low payed Dusty's, Working in all weathers getting covered in stinking s**t would be only to pleased to lose £20 bucks a week, To help fund the City councilors Joly's, Twining with the froggs, and all there other perks, If the good people of SO get on the backs of the ****s thy voted in Then your City might not be quite so ****ty, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary r Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 lazy sods should be thankful that they have a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 I wonder how many on here would be happy to lose 5% of their wages,then be told if you dont like it tough?Yet the top councilors continue to draw their mega wages tied in with bonuses. I think the binmen do an importaint and messy job,yet are poorly paid at the best of times. So good luck to them and lets all stop putting ourselves first(something Thatcher taught us),and actually support the rights of low paid public sector workers,doing a job most of us would not like to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 I wonder how many on here would be happy to lose 5% of their wages,then be told if you dont like it tough?Yet the top councilors continue to draw their mega wages tied in with bonuses. I think the binmen do an importaint and messy job,yet are poorly paid at the best of times. So good luck to them and lets all stop putting ourselves first(something Thatcher taught us),and actually support the rights of low paid public sector workers,doing a job most of us would not like to do. I tend to agree. I'm all for cutting the non jobs that Labour created, and cutting back high earners salaries, but people like bin men are already on a breadline wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 I tend to agree. I'm all for cutting the non jobs that Labour created, and cutting back high earners salaries, but people like bin men are already on a breadline wage. Are you mellowing in your old age!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 Getting a bit silly now. It's a bit patchy at the best of times, but this is getting stupid. When you add hot weather to the overflowing bins and street litter discarded by thoughtless pikes, it's not nice out there. time to get back to work fellas, else you'll only alienate the people. Man up you pussy it's only a bit of rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 Isn't there a clue in the thread title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 June, 2011 Share Posted 3 June, 2011 I tend to agree. I'm all for cutting the non jobs that Labour created, and cutting back high earners salaries, but people like bin men are already on a breadline wage. Welcome to the Liberal Elite. I'll get your namebadge printed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I tend to agree. I'm all for cutting the non jobs that Labour created, and cutting back high earners salaries, but people like bin men are already on a breadline wage. Crikey dune! Supporting the rights of low-paid public sector workers? Perhaps there is a bit of socialist in you after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 My wife worked for the council for 30 years (housing dept) and retired just before christmas last year and is so glad she got out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoozer Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 It's not just the pay cut that is the issue but the binmen having to reapply for their jobs on reduced terms and conditions too. There is a lot wrong with the refuse system but the council are making the wrong cuts with little understanding or sympathy for effects they have on those workers doing the jobs. However, the Tories are dealing with a mess left by previous administrations (they are just not doing it wisely or fairly) IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 Are you mellowing in your old age!!?? No, Dune is simply being consistent. He has always supported essential jobs being rewarded with decent pay. It's the "non-jobs" that he advocates that need to be dealt with, quite rightly IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 My refuse collection is great. In fact the 'green' collection is netting the council some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I think you'll find they're all loaded and can easily afford the wage cut: http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Bin_Man_4360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 June, 2011 Share Posted 4 June, 2011 I think you'll find they're all loaded and can easily afford the wage cut: http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Bin_Man_4360 So you are ok if your management tell you, you are having a pay cut and you have to re apply for your job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I took 5% pay cut and then had to reapply for my job. It wasn't fun. Especially as I lost out in the process. I would say, look at what the council is doing in comparison to other councils. However as mentioned earlier, top level management needs to be culled but that won't happen sadly. Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I wonder how many on here would be happy to lose 5% of their wages,then be told if you dont like it tough?Yet the top councilors continue to draw their mega wages tied in with bonuses.We lost 10% of our wages two years ago, plus holidays, it hurt big time, and still does, but we still have a job. Secondly, councillors don't have 'wages', they only get allowances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Given the choice, I would t.ake the pay cut if the alternative was redundancy. Better 95% of a wage than nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Given the choice, I would t.ake the pay cut if the alternative was redundancy. Better 95% of a wage than nothing at all. Not necessarily. If the bin man has a wife (that doesn't work) and kids then this reduction might push him into becoming another benefits scrounger. He might be better off with his rent and council tax payed by the state. This is why i'm totally against pay freezes or reductions for those who are already on the breadline. These people are a nats arses away from milking the system and that will cost more than giving them a small pay rise which they deserve. The council should think again and instead cut back hard at the non jobs in the council offices. Bin men are far more important than the town twinning comitee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 Not necessarily. If the bin man has a wife (that doesn't work) and kids then this reduction might push him into becoming another benefits scrounger. He might be better off with his rent and council tax payed by the state. This is why i'm totally against pay freezes or reductions for those who are already on the breadline. These people are a nats arses away from milking the system and that will cost more than giving them a small pay rise which they deserve. The council should think again and instead cut back hard at the non jobs in the council offices. Bin men are far more important than the town twinning comitee. A bit of a contradiction Dune! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 6 June, 2011 Share Posted 6 June, 2011 I gotta be honest, dune makes some valid points there. Can he handle the fact that I, a leftie, said so though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 June, 2011 Share Posted 7 June, 2011 It looks like this will be the third week that my bin won't be collected. Why the council don't change the bin routes while the binmen are working is beyond me. I have had the road and pavements relaid where I live, it is in effect, being paid for by the binmen. Totally unfair, and typical Tories for you. Why don't we sell some of our art to raise money, or use the money ringfenced for the Titanic museum for more vital things? Still, I bet the councillors are getting their £18k odd a year for their expenses. When I made a complaint to my councillor about a cutway behind my garden, he looked at it and did nothing. The only thing he went on about was how much he was earning from expenses. Incredible, he was a Lib-Dem, but they are just Tories now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Keep up the good work lads. I sense overwhelming public support, a cutback too far perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Keep up the good work lads. I sense overwhelming public support, a cutback too far perhaps. Yeah annoying as it is I have yet to speak to anyone that doesnt support them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Can't the council just raise council tax? it seems everyone in Southampton supports the binmen so they'd all happily fork over another 1-2% on their council tax to keep all the refuse collectors in a job at their current wage wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Plan B I am afraid might happen. That will be job losses across the council. Those areas where agreement has already been reached may have to be reversed. An alternative answer? Bin collections every 2 weeks with the reduction in staff falling in that area. Last in first out will save a fair bit in redundency payments as well. The Government have put a freeze on Council Tax to force the authorities to look for cutbacks and slimline services. We might not like it but the same is happening in the private sector and has been for years. I have sympathy with anyone asked to take a cut in pay BUT the alternative is job losses. Perhaps this council should have made a decision to cut jobs. They have tried a kinder way. Now they just may have to be more aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Can't the council just raise council tax? it seems everyone in Southampton supports the binmen so they'd all happily fork over another 1-2% on their council tax to keep all the refuse collectors in a job at their current wage wouldn't they? No the ConLib road crash forced every council to have a zero increase in Council Tax this year, hence the cuts. Inflation is not under control, the income is the same as last year and the result is what we see. Can't see too many Chief Execs of councils being made redundant next month and have to reapply for their jobs with a 15% decrease in salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 (edited) Plan B I am afraid might happen. That will be job losses across the council. Those areas where agreement has already been reached may have to be reversed. An alternative answer? Bin collections every 2 weeks with the reduction in staff falling in that area. Last in first out will save a fair bit in redundency payments as well. The Government have put a freeze on Council Tax to force the authorities to look for cutbacks and slimline services. We might not like it but the same is happening in the private sector and has been for years. I have sympathy with anyone asked to take a cut in pay BUT the alternative is job losses. Perhaps this council should have made a decision to cut jobs. They have tried a kinder way. Now they just may have to be more aggressive. How much could this country save by cutting the tax loopholes, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/22/vodafone-tax-case-leaves-sour-taste http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339844/Topshop-boss-Sir-Philip-Green-enjoys-Barbados-holiday-despite-tax-protests.html Only two cases shown here how many companies now have board meetings in Switzerland and go offshore. Let the poor people in this country and the services suffer when the rich just take the ****. The chief exec of Southampton Council earns more than the prime minister....cut his wages. There is an alternative but it doesn't fit in with the Tory agenda. Edited 9 June, 2011 by scally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 I've said it before and I'll say it again. Tax evasion in this country (the Black Economy) is costing the country, that's you and me, between £16b and £20b per year. The worst case scenario of benefit cheating is £2.4b per year. So everytime one of you pays someone in cash to avoid the VAT, or gets a builder round to do a little job 'off the books' then we all suffer. Ask yourselves this. If you were in a pub and there were two people there; one is a single mother who is getting an extra £50 a week because she hasn't declared that her boyfriend is living with her. The other is a plumber for a big firm, but works for cash at the weekend privately making maybe two hundred pounds. No books, no tax, nothing. Which one gets the catcalls from the rest of the customers? Not the plumber, that's for sure yet he is cheating the taxpayers out of a lot more than the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 No the ConLib road crash forced every council to have a zero increase in Council Tax this year, hence the cuts. Inflation is not under control, the income is the same as last year and the result is what we see. Can't see too many Chief Execs of councils being made redundant next month and have to reapply for their jobs with a 15% decrease in salary. Fair enough no council tax rise. How about a whip round then? circa 236,000 people live in southampton if everyone of them donated a fiver a year the council would get another 1,180000 quid a year should be enough help to keep local refuse services running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Not necessarily. If the bin man has a wife (that doesn't work) and kids then this reduction might push him into becoming another benefits scrounger. He might be better off with his rent and council tax payed by the state. This is why i'm totally against pay freezes or reductions for those who are already on the breadline. These people are a nats arses away from milking the system and that will cost more than giving them a small pay rise which they deserve. The council should think again and instead cut back hard at the non jobs in the council offices. Bin men are far more important than the town twinning comitee.blimey i agree with dune .its about time we stopped protecting the lazy pen pushers of Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 No the ConLib road crash forced every council to have a zero increase in Council Tax this year, hence the cuts. Inflation is not under control, the income is the same as last year and the result is what we see. Can't see too many Chief Execs of councils being made redundant next month and have to reapply for their jobs with a 15% decrease in salary.agree with you where i used to work we cut out a lot of middle management jobs and supervisors,made guys up to team leaders and it had no effect on productivity and saved loads of money and i,m sure the council and some overloading private firms could do the same for the non workers in any company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Paying cash to in hand keeps the money in circulation though. Paying it to a company see's some creamed off, often offshore. Paying cash in hand ensures it will eventually get spent back into the system. I'm Probably missing something here and will get flamed but that's as I see it froma simple man's perspective. I would like to see a hike in VAT as it is directly linked to ones disposable income. Obviously I do not think that everything attracting VAT currently would fall into the VAT category in my world but I like the principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 I am not happy with the bin men, a chance to keep there job!!!! Bet the money is more than a squaddie in afgan as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 I cant stand mine....there are 4 flats in my block.....1 wheelie bin each in a neat little stowage by the entrance to the close.. they are more than capable of getting the bins out and quite happy to scatter them back..sometimes one of them..maybe two over on their sides.. ****s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Not at all. Those people in non jobs generally have more skills and qualifications than those in essential lowly paid jobs so they have plenty of options to find alternative work. There are plenty of jobs out there. People who are fit and able with qualifications and who are long term/medium term unemployed are lazy. That is the blunt truth of the matter. However for a bin man with no qualifications there aren't that many options aside from agency work which probably won't pay enough. These jobs are ok for eastern europeans living 10 to a house, but not for British workers with families. It was all going so well: I cannot believe the last sentence in this post, you truly are a scumbag. Since when is having a job that doesn't pay enough acceptable for any human being?! ...and the mods claim that dunce doesn't have a hold over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 9 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 June, 2011 How much do they actually earn? A few posters on here say they are low paid, but do not come up with any figures? I'd like to know for sure what their wages are and what overtime allowances they get. FWIW i couldn't actually give a toss who clears my bins. I pay the council a **** of a lot in council tax and if they can't control their own workforce, they should get someone else in to do the work instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 How much do they actually earn? A few posters on here say they are low paid, but do not come up with any figures? I'd like to know for sure what their wages are and what overtime allowances they get. FWIW i couldn't actually give a toss who clears my bins. I pay the council a **** of a lot in council tax and if they can't control their own workforce, they should get someone else in to do the work instead. If the government had the balls to stand up to the city fatcats then we wouldn't be talking about cutting services, council workers maybe fighting for themselves but they are also fighting to protect your services. I'll post the links again for you...there is an alternative. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ves-sour-taste http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-protests.html Stop fighting wars we can't win and shut the tax loopholes and we'll be able to provide the people with the services they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gd Posted 9 June, 2011 Share Posted 9 June, 2011 Speaking as someone also facing a 5% pay cut (just under £1700 a year), I am happy to have a job believe me i am but cutting that much from my money when i have 3 kids and all the other bills that everyone else has to pay i am certainly not happy about it especially as we'll be getting no cost of living pay rises either for the forseable future and every bill incl food goes up just takes the P!$$. I really don't think all the strikes will have much effect as it would of done many years ago. I am aware of other councils in the country following our situation closely to see how the unions court case goes to see whether they can also reduce pay. So who knows what will happen then. Still i could be worse off i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 10 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 June, 2011 If the government had the balls to stand up to the city fatcats then we wouldn't be talking about cutting services, council workers maybe fighting for themselves but they are also fighting to protect your services. I'll post the links again for you...there is an alternative. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ves-sour-taste http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-protests.html Stop fighting wars we can't win and shut the tax loopholes and we'll be able to provide the people with the services they deserve. While there are criticisms that can be levied against HMRC and tax collection, it is only a piece of the jigsaw. If we are establishing a direct link between central government expenditure and the provision of services at a local level, then, personally, i'd like to see other areas of Government expenditure cut, but as usual it seems it is not as simple as that. The Council are obliged to provide a service for which I pay a tax. That's the deal. I don't care who does it, as long as it gets done. If their workers go on strike, then they need to sort it out, either through getting rid or getting on. I have no direct sympathy for the dusties. It can be a ****e world out there. I've been made redundant twice in 6 years, and in that time had to take 9 months without any wage and an overall pay cut equal to about 35%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 (edited) It was all going so well: I cannot believe the last sentence in this post, you truly are a scumbag. Since when is having a job that doesn't pay enough acceptable for any human being?! ...and the mods claim that dunce doesn't have a hold over them. I disagree with your comments and dont really see what is wrong with what Dune has said, he is simply stating a fact. 5 years ago when i was out of work for a while i worked on a building site doing hod carrrying and it was a well known fact that the eastern european labourers would work for around £30-£40 an hour a day less than English labourers. Firstly because a lot of it was cash in hand and secondly because they were single blokes living with their mates in a shared house. Now compare that to the English hod carrier supporting a wife and 2 kids on £12 an hour and the Polish lads had a lot more disposable income than him even though they earnt less doing the same job. The polish lads were quite happy working cash in hand for less. I know you liberal elitiest wont like it and will be offended for the Poles, but they didn't mind one bit. Edited 15 June, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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