Season Ticket Prices Released

[miserableoldgit]

You don't have to look far to see where you've said you are entitled to it. Memory not so great eh?

I used the word entitled because you used it in the post I was replying to. It is quite simple. In most places the concession rate starts at 60. I am over 60 and am therefore entitled to claim it. How is this difficult to understand? Are students entitled to it? Are the unemployed entitled to it?

[Wes Tender]

Those who have benefited from the concession starting at age 60 have been very lucky. Age 65 is the starting age for being a "senior citizen" whether it be for a bus pass, state pension or whatever. It seems that saints have finally fallen into line with the rest of society.

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Get your facts right. The age to qualify for a bus pass is 60. That is also the age for receiving the Winter heating allowance too, as well as many other allowances given by other organisations.

[Whitey Grandad]

And this is exactly why I disagree with you. When I say entitled I'm not disputing the fact that you got it - that's obvious. I'm disputing whether a man in work (or who can afford to retire) is morally entitled to such a concession (and a big one at that). No other age group of working men get it, and why should they? I don't actually begrudge you getting it in the first place even though I was indirectly subsidising you - fair play, you got something I don't think you deserved. I do object to you moaning constantly about the loss of it though. The parallel with MPs fiddling their expenses doesn't compare - where has anyone accused you of fraud?

 

It's all men, men, men with you isn't it? What about the women!

[revolution saint]

And this is exactly why I disagree with you. When I say entitled I'm not disputing the fact that you got it - that's obvious. I'm disputing whether a man in work (or who can afford to retire) is morally entitled to such a concession (and a big one at that). No other age group of working men get it, and why should they? I don't actually begrudge you getting it in the first place even though I was indirectly subsidising you - fair play, you got something I don't think you deserved. I do object to you moaning constantly about the loss of it though. The parallel with MPs fiddling their expenses doesn't compare - where has anyone accused you of fraud?

 

I used the word entitled because you used it in the post I was replying to. It is quite simple. In most places the concession rate starts at 60. I am over 60 and am therefore entitled to claim it. How is this difficult to understand? Are students entitled to it? Are the unemployed entitled to it?

 

I explained this in an earlier post. Full time students don't work so yes, they deserve it. To be honest, no, I don't think you should get a concession if you're unemployed.

[revolution saint]

It's all men, men, men with you isn't it? What about the women!

 

Because I've already explained that women who fall into the category of having been forced into retirement only to find that the age has risen should receive the concession - and that's the only thing you've got to argue with isn't it? Clinging to the coattails of a concession designed for women - not for you. I hope you enjoy your newly liberal, politically correct camp now.

[Andoverian]

 

I don't understand the complaint about the way the club have dealt wiTh this. What do people expect, a personal phone call or something. The only way you can give bad news is just give it, which the club haVe done. Putting a spoonful of sugar on the news will not make it any sweeter to those affected by it.

Really then the next time your car insurance etc goes up you wont expect the company to write to you and let you know. You will read about elsewhere will you. Unbelievable

[egg]

Really then the next time your car insurance etc goes up you wont expect the company to write to you and let you know. You will read about elsewhere will you. Unbelievable

 

They would send me a renewal price which I would either accept or not. The club have annonced renewal prices - same thing.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would me annoyed if I was caught by this. This is a harsh change to those affected by it.

 

Looking at it objectively though I can see why the change was made.

[benjii]

Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually.

 

But they've reintroduced the installment plan which means the amount you need to pay by mid-July (so, in fact you have had well over one month's notice) is less than the amount you would've otherwise needed to pay under last year's terms.

 

Yes, they could've done it differently; but there's no reason why they should as concessions are entirely discretionary.

[benjii]

I used the word entitled because you used it in the post I was replying to. It is quite simple. In most places the concession rate starts at 60. I am over 60 and am therefore entitled to claim it. How is this difficult to understand? Are students entitled to it? Are the unemployed entitled to it?

 

No, of course they are not entitled to it.

 

It is a discretionary reduction offered by a private company.

[miserableoldgit]

No, of course they are not entitled to it.

 

It is a discretionary reduction offered by a private company.

 

And when it is offered I am entitled to claim for it. If I was 59 I would not be entitled to claim for it.

[benjii]

Really then the next time your car insurance etc goes up you wont expect the company to write to you and let you know. You will read about elsewhere will you. Unbelievable

 

Er, what? An insurance premium is calculated on the basis of bespoke circumstances. An insurance company is hardly going to publish your policy details on its website for all to look at.

 

A season ticket price is rate-carded.

[benjii]

And when it is offered I am entitled to claim for it. If I was 59 I would not be entitled to claim for it.

 

Yes, I think everyone in the world can agree with that. But if the concession provider decided to change the bar to 58 you would be entitled. Hence, it is arbitrary and discretionary and "entitlement" is based solely on the rules of the scheme, as set by the scheme provider, from time to time.

[miserableoldgit]

Yes, I think everyone in the world can agree with that. But if the concession provider decided to change the bar to 58 you would be entitled. Hence, it is arbitrary and discretionary and "entitlement" is based solely on the rules of the scheme, as set by the scheme provider, from time to time.

And I am not arguing or moaning about this. Purely the heavy handed way that they have implemented it.

[benjii]

And I am not arguing or moaning about this. Purely the heavy handed way that they have implemented it.

 

I think they had two options, if they wanted to make this change.

 

1) Allow existing concessionaire's in the 60-65 bracket to be treated as 65+.

2) Do what they have done.

 

1) would have been a nice gesture but, commercially, it probably doesn't make sense.

 

It is a shame if people are priced out but, unfortunately, that is life. We are all, save for a few uber-rich, priced out of something. At least in this case the affected people will be eligible for the concession again in a few years' time.

[revolution saint]

I think all working people aged 24-45 should get a 72% concession for a few years and then the club should cruelly, viciously take it away from us. That's the only way we'll be able to understand the quite justifiable gripe of the nearly but not quite retired.

[miserableoldgit]

I think they had two options, if they wanted to make this change.

 

1) Allow existing concessionaire's in the 60-65 bracket to be treated as 65+.

2) Do what they have done.

 

1) would have been a nice gesture but, commercially, it probably doesn't make sense.

 

It is a shame if people are priced out but, unfortunately, that is life. We are all, save for a few uber-rich, priced out of something. At least in this case the affected people will be eligible for the concession again in a few years' time.

They could have :-

1) Kept exsisting ST holders as is and introduced the 65+ to new purchases

2) Moved the age limit gradually, much like retirement age itself. For example, making the limit 63 this year and 65 next year

3) Do what they have done

As for making commercial sense - what other business would think that ****ing off their longest serving customers would make commercial sense??

[miserableoldgit]

I think all working people aged 24-45 should get a 72% concession for a few years and then the club should cruelly, viciously take it away from us. That's the only way we'll be able to understand the quite justifiable gripe of the nearly but not quite retired.

 

Please don`t be a complete knob. My ST last year was £300. My daughter who sit next to me paid £393. Even somebody with a limited view of life like yourself must realise that the difference is not 72%.

BTW how does this post of yours avoid my nasty, ignorant and selfish accusation??

Edited 14 June, 2011 by miserableoldgit

[revolution saint]

Please don`t be a complete knob. My ST last year was £300. My daughter who sit next to me paid £393. Even somebody with a limited view of life like yourself must realise that the difference is not 72%.

 

OK, substitute it for the reduction that you did get (I used that figure because it's the one you constantly quote) . The point still stands. Please don't call me a complete knob - it's unbecoming for a man of your advanced years.

[benjii]

They could have :-

1) Kept exsisting ST holders as is and introduced the 65+ to new purchases

2) Moved the age limit gradually, much like retirement age itself. For example, making the limit 63 this year and 65 next year

3) Do what they have done

As for making commercial sense - what other business would think that ****ing off their longest serving customers would make commercial sense??

 

Number 1) is what I suggested, I think.

I don't think number 2) is any better. You would have all the 60-63 year old's saying exactly the same thing. If you're 64 you only have to wait one year to fit into the new concession bracket anyway.

 

As for your last question, I suspect most of you will renew anyway. So ****ed off or not, it makes little difference. We are gearing up for the Premier League soon and people who can't afford one at this year's prices certainly won't be able to afford one then.

[Weston Saint]

So if Saints had confirmed in April (when most other clubs announced season ticket prices) that they were going to change the concession rate from 60 to 65 most of those complaining about the lack of communication from the club would have accepted the position?

 

I appreciate the change has come hard to some and I accept the club should have communicated why they decided not to phase it in but what of those 50-59 who are not working? They do not get their state pension until 65 (They get fuel allowance and bus pass when they are 60 unless that changes). Why should those 60-64 who are in a similar position get a consession when they are in the same position as the example I have quoted.

 

Just because you have done something before does not mean you have a god given right to continue when your circumstances have changed.

 

For the record I am 59 in August and "retired" although I do have a good private pension so not in the same unfortunate state as some posting on here.

 

A question for Andoverian. Did you not pay a full rate to see Saints in the Premier? Was the concession not 65 then? I am told it was although I appreciate you were not within the 60 -64 bracket then). If we had still been in the Premier woulld you have been able to afford it now your age and circumstances have changed? I am not having a dig. I am trying to get you to look at the full picture. I appreciate we are not in the Premier but that is not the issue. Your affordability is the issue.

[miserableoldgit]

OK, substitute it for the reduction that you did get (I used that figure because it's the one you constantly quote) . The point still stands. Please don't call me a complete knob - it's unbecoming for a man of your advanced years.

It`s 72% because we have lost the concession and there is a rise is prices. My ticket is now £515. So, it`s OK for you to jump on me for using the word "entitlement"

thinking that you have scored a point but different when you do it?

[revolution saint]

Please don`t be a complete knob. My ST last year was £300. My daughter who sit next to me paid £393. Even somebody with a limited view of life like yourself must realise that the difference is not 72%.

BTW how does this post of yours avoid my nasty, ignorant and selfish accusation??

 

The funny thing is I'm not ignorant of your situation (you've told us often enough about it), it's not nasty - it's putting it into context, it's certainly not selfish because I have nothing to gain. I just happen to disagree with you - you'll find this happens and the older you get (so I'm told) the more often it will happen. I sympathise but there's not much I can do about the aging processs.

[saint-crinny]

13 pages of debate, but i think the long and short of it is basically that the club has raised ticket prices following promotion - to be expected even if you think it's too steep an increase...

 

...If you are happy to pay more then do, if you're not, then don't

[23rdSaint]

13 pages of debate, but i think the long and short of it is basically that the club has raised ticket prices following promotion - to be expected even if you think it's too steep an increase...

 

...If you are happy to pay more then do, if you're not, then don't

 

This.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I feel I should get a concession as I am of the generation that has to spend a ****load to buy their first house. I unfortunately wasn't able to buy a house when the mortgage was 25% of a monthly paycheck.

Edited 14 June, 2011 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Andoverian]

So if Saints had confirmed in April (when most other clubs announced season ticket prices) that they were going to change the concession rate from 60 to 65 most of those complaining about the lack of communication from the club would have accepted the position?

 

I appreciate the change has come hard to some and I accept the club should have communicated why they decided not to phase it in but what of those 50-59 who are not working? They do not get their state pension until 65 (They get fuel allowance and bus pass when they are 60 unless that changes). Why should those 60-64 who are in a similar position get a consession when they are in the same position as the example I have quoted.

 

Just because you have done something before does not mean you have a god given right to continue when your circumstances have changed.

 

For the record I am 59 in August and "retired" although I do have a good private pension so not in the same unfortunate state as some posting on here.

 

A question for Andoverian. Did you not pay a full rate to see Saints in the Premier? Was the concession not 65 then? I am told it was although I appreciate you were not within the 60 -64 bracket then). If we had still been in the Premier woulld you have been able to afford it now your age and circumstances have changed? I am not having a dig. I am trying to get you to look at the full picture. I appreciate we are not in the Premier but that is not the issue. Your affordability is the issue.

Yes Weston Saint I did have a season ticket when we were in the premiership but surely that is the point. In my fifties I could afford to pay the full price and thought nothing of it but when you retire in my case forced in the early sixties the funds are limited. Surely that is why many many government agencies and commercial operations offer a senior concession. For example prescription charges etc are free over 60. It is distincly possible that I would not have been able to afford a season ticket if we were in the premiership but we are not and I could have afforded a ticket this coming season if my ticket had risen at the same percentage as everybody else. Existing senior concession holders should have been asked to pay pro rata and not 72% as is the case.

[Chez]

13 pages of debate, but i think the long and short of it is basically that the club has raised ticket prices following promotion - to be expected even if you think it's too steep an increase...

 

...If you are happy to pay more then do, if you're not, then don't

you mean `don't go', not, `don't pay more'.

[revolution saint]

It`s 72% because we have lost the concession and there is a rise is prices. My ticket is now £515. So, it`s OK for you to jump on me for using the word "entitlement"

thinking that you have scored a point but different when you do it?

 

Understand the price rise so no problem there - not so sure about the bit about entitlement so you'll need to explain that. Not sure how many times I can explain that I don't think you're morally entitled to a concession though. I've already explained countless times as well that you should have been notified earlier.

[miserableoldgit]

Understand the price rise so no problem there - not so sure about the bit about entitlement so you'll need to explain that. Not sure how many times I can explain that I don't think you're morally entitled to a concession though. I've already explained countless times as well that you should have been notified earlier.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by miserableoldgit

Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses.

 

 

Originally Posted by miserableoldgit

Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually.

 

 

 

 

You don't have to look far to see where you've said you are entitled to it. Memory not so great eh?

[revolution saint]

I feel I should get a concession as I am of the generation that has to spend a ****load to buy their first house. I unfortunately wasn't able to buy a house when the mortgage was 25% of a monthly paycheck.

 

It's interesting note the advantages this generation has had:

 

Didn't fight a war (or have national service)

First generation to become "teenagers" and get disposable income

Access to free Higher Education

Advantage of a cheap property market

Advantage of the right to buy council house scheme

Ability to buy shares in nationalised industries that we owned

Presided over a reduction in working hours

 

Obviously I'm generalising here but in many ways this has been the "lucky" generation. You could also add in that many of them have inherited their parents estates due to lower life expectancy whilst their children will have no such luck. Personally I think this has been a rather moaning generation, keen to ignore the obvious benefits they've had. In this case they cling rather pathetically to a loophole of sexual equality to ensure a concession most of them were not morally entitled to. They seem keen to point out how hard they've worked, forgetting of course that this isn't exclusive to them. It's typical though that once they get something taken away they moan whilst the rest of us struggle with higher property prices and increased job insecurity. Ironic that they should accuse anyone of "I'm alright Jack".

[revolution saint]

Originally Posted by miserableoldgit

Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses.

 

 

Originally Posted by miserableoldgit

Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually.

 

 

 

 

You don't have to look far to see where you've said you are entitled to it. Memory not so great eh?

 

You really don't get the fact that I don't feel you are morally entitled to a concession do you?

[Whitey Grandad]

Understand the price rise so no problem there - not so sure about the bit about entitlement so you'll need to explain that. Not sure how many times I can explain that I don't think you're morally entitled to a concession though. I've already explained countless times as well that you should have been notified earlier.

 

Entitelment is conferred on the receiver of the concession by the organisation which is offering it. Hence anybody who meets the terns of the concession is entitled to receive it. Perhaps you mean 'deserving' of a concession? If they want to offer such then it is up to them. In this instance they have removed the concession, as they are entiled to do, and also applied very large price increases. This, along with the lack of postal information and extremely short renewal window is very curious marketing. I am deeply concerned about the way this club is heading.

[Whitey Grandad]

It's interesting note the advantages this generation has had:

 

Didn't fight a war (or have national service)

First generation to become "teenagers" and get disposable income

Access to free Higher Education

Advantage of a cheap property market

Advantage of the right to buy council house scheme

Ability to buy shares in nationalised industries that we owned

Presided over a reduction in working hours

 

Obviously I'm generalising here but in many ways this has been the "lucky" generation. You could also add in that many of them have inherited their parents estates due to lower life expectancy whilst their children will have no such luck. Personally I think this has been a rather moaning generation, keen to ignore the obvious benefits they've had. In this case they cling rather pathetically to a loophole of sexual equality to ensure a concession most of them were not morally entitled to. They seem keen to point out how hard they've worked, forgetting of course that this isn't exclusive to them. It's typical though that once they get something taken away they moan whilst the rest of us struggle with higher property prices and increased job insecurity. Ironic that they should accuse anyone of "I'm alright Jack".

 

You really, really haven't go a clue, have you?

[revolution saint]

You really, really haven't go a clue, have you?

 

I take it you don't have an argument? And there have been many books on just how lucky your generation has been - you should read one. Easier to moan, accuse people of being ignorant and selfish though isn't it?

[revolution saint]

Entitelment is conferred on the receiver of the concession by the organisation which is offering it. Hence anybody who meets the terns of the concession is entitled to receive it. Perhaps you mean 'deserving' of a concession? If they want to offer such then it is up to them. In this instance they have removed the concession, as they are entiled to do, and also applied very large price increases. This, along with the lack of postal information and extremely short renewal window is very curious marketing. I am deeply concerned about the way this club is heading.

 

Thanks for explaining the blatantly obvious. What other tricks do you do? Of course it's up to the club to decide what concessions they offer and I didn't moan when you got one. I'm just objecting to you moaning when it's taken away. Oh and yes, morally entitled and deserving in this context mean the same thing.

Edited 14 June, 2011 by revolution saint

[Whitey Grandad]

I take it you don't have an argument? And there have been many books on just how lucky your generation has been - you should read one. Easier to moan, accuse people of being ignorant and selfish though isn't it?

 

I take it you weren't there? For teenagers the sixties were nothing like they have been portrayed.

[Whitey Grandad]

Thanks for explaining the blatantly obvious. What other tricks do you do? Of course it's up to the club to decide what concessions they offer and I didn't moan when you got one. I'm just objecting to you moaning when it's taken away. Oh and yes, morally entitled and deserving in this context mean the same thing.

 

You have been using 'entitled' in the wrong context.

[revolution saint]

I take it you weren't there? For teenagers the sixties were nothing like they have been portrayed.

 

Were you not the first generation to enjoy disposable income and certainly on a scale unlike your parents? I wasn't there, no, but that seems to be the consensus of opinion.

 

You have been using 'entitled' in the wrong context.

 

I'd debate that as it has been prefixed constantly with "morally". Either way a point of pedantry is a strange way to make your argument - you've been spelling entitlement wrong for most of the thread.

 

Edit: Sorry got the wrong old person - Whitey can spell entitlement.

Edited 14 June, 2011 by revolution saint

[trousers]

[LGTL]

 

too true.

 

This thread should be locked now.

[revolution saint]

 

Oh come on! We've managed to go from a concession to the baby boomer generation being advantaged and generally evil - that's quite a circular journey.

[Whitey Grandad]

Were you not the first generation to enjoy disposable income and certainly on a scale unlike your parents? I wasn't there, no, but that seems to be the consensus of opinion.

 

 

 

I'd debate that as it has been prefixed constantly with "morally". Either way a point of pedantry is a strange way to make your argument - you've been spelling entitlement wrong for most of the thread.

 

Edit: Sorry got the wrong old person - Whitey can spell entitlement.

 

No, you were right the first time. I did spell it incorrectly, but surely everyone is entitled to the odd slip of the keys?

 

Disposable income as teenagers? You're 'avin a larf. Watch 'Saturday Night and Sunday Morning' to see what life was like.

[Whitey Grandad]

Oh come on! We've managed to go from a concession to the baby boomer generation being advantaged and generally evil - that's quite a circular journey.

 

Is that why you're called 'revolution' Saint?

[revolution saint]

No, you were right the first time. I did spell it incorrectly, but surely everyone is entitled to the odd slip of the keys?

 

Disposable income as teenagers? You're 'avin a larf. Watch 'Saturday Night and Sunday Morning' to see what life was like.

 

Is that why you're called 'revolution' Saint?

 

Well, as I say, I wasn't there but it does seem as if your generation got "lucky" on quite a few instances. It's really not the point though - I'm not going to convince you that the concession is unmerited and you won't convince me otherwise either. It's been fun trying though. Obviously when we deal with generalisations then we forget the exceptions - just as the "yoof", "the immigrants" etc get labelled then the baby boomer generation should also be victim to it. It would make an interesting topic in the lounge.

 

Of course I sympathise with anyone who finds it hard to buy a S/T - it's not nice and I'm not totally heartless, it's just that you and miserable have tried to come across as more deserving of a concession when most people are struggling. It doesn't help when anyone who objects is classed as ignorant, selfish, hasn't a clue etc. Anyway, I hope you do get a S/T.

[teamsaint]

I think they had two options, if they wanted to make this change.

 

1) Allow existing concessionaire's in the 60-65 bracket to be treated as 65+.

2) Do what they have done.

 

1) would have been a nice gesture but, commercially, it probably doesn't make sense.

 

It is a shame if people are priced out but, unfortunately, that is life. We are all, save for a few uber-rich, priced out of something. At least in this case the affected people will be eligible for the concession again in a few years' time.

 

but it won't be commercially sensible if people are priced out, and there are 7000 empty seats at SMS...... which there will be at most games this season. A lost customer is a lost customer.

[70's Mike]

More worried about renewing my Car Park space in Hansons Yard, good news is both sons will pay for their own tickets next season.

[miserableoldgit]

Well, as I say, I wasn't there but it does seem as if your generation got "lucky" on quite a few instances. It's really not the point though - I'm not going to convince you that the concession is unmerited and you won't convince me otherwise either. It's been fun trying though. Obviously when we deal with generalisations then we forget the exceptions - just as the "yoof", "the immigrants" etc get labelled then the baby boomer generation should also be victim to it. It would make an interesting topic in the lounge.

 

Of course I sympathise with anyone who finds it hard to buy a S/T - it's not nice and I'm not totally heartless, it's just that you and miserable have tried to come across as more deserving of a concession when most people are struggling. It doesn't help when anyone who objects is classed as ignorant, selfish, hasn't a clue etc. Anyway, I hope you do get a S/T.

O.K. Revolution, partly because I am ****ed off with this arguing and partly because it is time for me to put my zimmer-frame back in the cupboard, pick up my slippers and pipe and make my cup of Complan, I am going to try a bit of reconciliation. Firstly, although I disagree with a lot that you say and I find you very frustrating, I accept that you have a view that you are entitled (is that spelt correctly?) to and that we will probably never agree. Secondly, TBF, my remarks about ingnorant,insensitive etc posts were not actually aimed at you. There were a number of posts made by others that added nothing to the debate and were quite frankly insulting. Have a look. You will see them.Your arguments, whilst frustrating and wrong (), were at least thought out and intelligently presented. However, I would like to point out that I have at no time in any of my posts indicated that I feel that I deserve the concession rate. You know what my one grouse has been with this. I have lost count of the number of times that I have explained it only for me to be accused of saying other things. Please God, let the football season come soon!!

[revolution saint]

O.K. Revolution, partly because I am ****ed off with this arguing and partly because it is time for me to put my zimmer-frame back in the cupboard, pick up my slippers and pipe and make my cup of Complan, I am going to try a bit of reconciliation. Firstly, although I disagree with a lot that you say and I find you very frustrating, I accept that you have a view that you are entitled (is that spelt correctly?) to and that we will probably never agree. Secondly, TBF, my remarks about ingnorant,insensitive etc posts were not actually aimed at you. There were a number of posts made by others that added nothing to the debate and were quite frankly insulting. Have a look. You will see them.Your arguments, whilst frustrating and wrong (), were at least thought out and intelligently presented. However, I would like to point out that I have at no time in any of my posts indicated that I feel that I deserve the concession rate. You know what my one grouse has been with this. I have lost count of the number of times that I have explained it only for me to be accused of saying other things. Please God, let the football season come soon!!

 

Fair play you miserable old git! Hope you live long enough to enjoy the season......of course I'm joking. It's all part of the banter and as long as no one takes it too seriously then there's no problem. I hope you do get a S/T and enjoy another promotion.

[miserableoldgit]

Fair play you miserable old git! Hope you live long enough to enjoy the season......of course I'm joking. It's all part of the banter and as long as no one takes it too seriously then there's no problem. I hope you do get a S/T and enjoy another promotion.

TBF I was always going to get one. It`s to much of a habit to stop now. But the actual price rise was a shock.

[benjii]

but it won't be commercially sensible if people are priced out, and there are 7000 empty seats at SMS...... which there will be at most games this season. A lost customer is a lost customer.

 

Two customers paying £550 is better than than three paying £330. Don't be swayed by the vocal minority.