Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 if we are listing examples..what about the places where no age concessions are in place..? do you get an age concession when you book with british airways..? this is about saints and i was curious if anyone had the answer to my question...??? Usually most of the crew are over 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Sorry but you are beeating your head against a brick wall. Nobody has actually addressed the "women" situation despite both you and I mentioning it. They all ignore the bits of the argument that they don`t like to give you/us a bashing. All Saints together eh?? Women can still work up till 65 and receive a pension, seems like they have the best of both worlds to me. You can continue to bash your head against an argument you can't defend if you like though. I don't think your argument started as a feminist defence though did it? All saints together - yes, as long as they talk sense. By all means continue in your persecuted little bubble though - makes no difference to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Women can still work up till 65 and receive a pension, seems like they have the best of both worlds to me. You can continue to bash your head against an argument you can't defend if you like though. I don't think your argument started as a feminist defence though did it? All saints together - yes, as long as they talk sense. By all means continue in your persecuted little bubble though - makes no difference to me. It's not that easy to find work, and those that do are taking it away from somebody else, probably younger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 if we are listing examples..what about the places where no age concessions are in place..? do you get an age concession when you book with british airways..? this is about saints and i was curious if anyone had the answer to my question...??? The point is that WHERE there are concessions they generally start (at the top end) at 60. This is stardard. I have recently renewed my membership to a national association, bought tickets for The Mayflower and went to the local cinema and at all of those the concessions start at 60. Any way why are you talking about BA? "this is about saints" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Women can still work up till 65 and receive a pension, seems like they have the best of both worlds to me. You can continue to bash your head against an argument you can't defend if you like though. I don't think your argument started as a feminist defence though did it? All saints together - yes, as long as they talk sense. By all means continue in your persecuted little bubble though - makes no difference to me.[/QUOTE] I didn`t expect it to, but I suspect that when you reach our age, which trust me will be much sooner than you think, you might think differently. In the meantime you carry on in your "I`m alright Jack so Shut the **** Up" bubble while us oldies pack up our zimmer frames, go away and stop making the place untidy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Yawn! Sanctimonous guff. Trotting out the "I'm alright Jack" reproach when moaning about the price of an expensive leisure accessory is the height of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Women can still work up till 65 and receive a pension, seems like they have the best of both worlds to me. You can continue to bash your head against an argument you can't defend if you like though. I don't think your argument started as a feminist defence though did it? All saints together - yes, as long as they talk sense. By all means continue in your persecuted little bubble though - makes no difference to me.[/QUOTE] I didn`t expect it to, but I suspect that when you reach our age, which trust me will be much sooner than you think, you might think differently. In the meantime you carry on in your "I`m alright Jack so Shut the **** Up" bubble while us oldies pack up our zimmer frames, go away and stop making the place untidy for you. Firstly don't put words in my mouth. Your perceived "I'm alright Jack" attitude is nonsense because you now come under the same conditions as the rest of us. You can't justify why you are so special but moan about it constantly, so one more chance...why should you get cheaper tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Firstly don't put words in my mouth. Your perceived "I'm alright Jack" attitude is nonsense because you now come under the same conditions as the rest of us. You can't justify why you are so special but moan about it constantly, so one more chance...why should you get cheaper tickets? Because the club will sell more seats. This is their decision, not for you or us. Our decision is whether to pay the prices. Of course, if the club should ever decide not to offer any age-related concessions then they will be widely vilified. I don't know of any organisation that has increased their age criterion once it has been set at 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Because the club will sell more seats. This is their decision, not for you or us. Our decision is whether to pay the prices. Of course, if the club should ever decide not to offer any age-related concessions then they will be widely vilified. I don't know of any organisation that has increased their age criterion once it has been set at 60. The club could also sell more tickets by reducing prices for morons as well. In favour of that? The club isn't abolishing age related concessions - it's abolishing an aberation that favoured the 60 - 65 age group and they're annoyed by it. Ah, bless 'em, no cheap tickets anymore and yet they try to accuse us of the "I'm alright Jack" attitude? They got away for a few seasons with cheap tickets and not one of them can either justify or defend why they got them. They sure as hell can moan when it's taken away though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 The club could also sell more tickets by reducing prices for morons as well. In favour of that? The club isn't abolishing age related concessions - it's abolishing an aberation that favoured the 60 - 65 age group and they're annoyed by it. Ah, bless 'em, no cheap tickets anymore and yet they try to accuse us of the "I'm alright Jack" attitude? They got away for a few seasons with cheap tickets and not one of them can either justify or defend why they got them. They sure as hell can moan when it's taken away though. So you are after cheap tickets as well. Look. as I keep saying, my moan isn`t that the club has decided to raise the age for concessions from 60 to 65. It is that they have done it without warning and in one go i.e. a 72% rise. Why is this so difficult to understand? Would you complain if it was you? Honestly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 So you are after cheap tickets as well. Look. as I keep saying, my moan isn`t that the club has decided to raise the age for concessions from 60 to 65. It is that they have done it without warning and in one go i.e. a 72% rise. Why is this so difficult to understand? Would you complain if it was you? Honestly? Complaining about pricing appears to be frowned upon on here. Or perhaps more accurately its a case of everyone just accepting their lot and realising complaining does little anyway. Personally I amazed that a 40% rise comes our way and almost no one says a dickybird. But it's the "price of success" don't you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 just as well the club never did the much talked about ST price of £126 last year...what percentage of price increase would that have been...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 just as well the club never did the much talked about ST price of £126 last year...what percentage of price increase would that have been...? Even worse, it was "£125" that was talked about!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 So you are after cheap tickets as well. Look. as I keep saying, my moan isn`t that the club has decided to raise the age for concessions from 60 to 65. It is that they have done it without warning and in one go i.e. a 72% rise. Why is this so difficult to understand? Would you complain if it was you? Honestly? And how many times have I agreed on this thread that people who fall into that bracket should have been told earlier? So I didn't disagree with you there at all. I disagree with the concession in the first place though - I think you were lucky to get it, and even you can't justify why a particular group of working age should receive it and other age groups shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 And how many times have I agreed on this thread that people who fall into that bracket should have been told earlier? So I didn't disagree with you there at all. I disagree with the concession in the first place though - I think you were lucky to get it, and even you can't justify why a particular group of working age should receive it and other age groups shouldn't. We've been through this before. Women in this age group have passed their retirement age and many of them will have been forcibly retired from their jobs so it is very facile to say that they should just go out and get another one but it is not that straightforward.. That's why many clubs offer an age-related concession to them and because of the sex equality act they must also offer the same concession to men of the same age. They can choose to offer it at any age provided that it is the same for men and women. Saints have offered it at age 60 for may years now and have suddenly and without warning decided to increase it to 65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 My god are the nearly dead STILL going on about this?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 My god are the nearly dead STILL going on about this?!! It will affect you too some day. It's because they are 'nearly dead' that they deserve a concession. What do you expect them to do? Sit in the corner and keep quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 (edited) ] At the age of 58 I was asked by my company if I would accept early retirement in order to make way for 'younger blood' coming through ! I was paid off (through the pension fund!) and felt that it was the honourable thing to do, although I could have refused without being penalised ! Since then my annual income has been roughly half of what it was but I'm still pretty satisfied with my lot and tend not to complain unless I think that something is a bit extreme and this is where the 72% comes in ! Frankly, I have reluctantly accepted the club's decision and moved on, but sadly I find the attitude of some (probably younger?) posters on here to be quite insulting given the circumstances and reasons why I stopped working ! Edited 13 June, 2011 by eurosaint Wrong attachment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 It will affect you too some day. It's because they are 'nearly dead' that they deserve a concession. What do you expect them to do? Sit in the corner and keep quiet? Anyone over the retirement age deserves a concession, just like children who obviously don't work either. If 60-65's are working then why do they deserve a concession anymore then a 40 year old who is also working? The one positive is the re-intorduction of the student price, probably at expense of the 60-65's, which is perfect for the start of my postgraduate studies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 We've been through this before. Women in this age group have passed their retirement age and many of them will have been forcibly retired from their jobs so it is very facile to say that they should just go out and get another one but it is not that straightforward.. That's why many clubs offer an age-related concession to them and because of the sex equality act they must also offer the same concession to men of the same age. They can choose to offer it at any age provided that it is the same for men and women. Saints have offered it at age 60 for may years now and have suddenly and without warning decided to increase it to 65. I can feel sorry for women in this position and sympathise with them but let's be honest - you got this concession via the backdoor and should be grateful you got it at all. I doubt your anger when first hearing this news was motivated by women forced into retirement - it was probably fuelled by the fact you'd lost a nice little perk of being almost but not quite retired. The thing that annoys me most though is the impression that most of you feel entitled to this concession, and that it was somehow your right. What's the difference between a 59 year old in work and one of 60 in work? Nothing except for the free bus pass and all the other concessions they get. Of course when I get older I may feel differently although there will be a crucial difference - I probably won't be able to retire early and will have to go till I'm 68. I imagine your lot will be moaning about concessions for centurions by then though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I can feel sorry for women in this position and sympathise with them but let's be honest - you got this concession via the backdoor and should be grateful you got it at all. I doubt your anger when first hearing this news was motivated by women forced into retirement - it was probably fuelled by the fact you'd lost a nice little perk of being almost but not quite retired. The thing that annoys me most though is the impression that most of you feel entitled to this concession, and that it was somehow your right. What's the difference between a 59 year old in work and one of 60 in work? Nothing except for the free bus pass and all the other concessions they get. Of course when I get older I may feel differently although there will be a crucial difference - I probably won't be able to retire early and will have to go till I'm 68. I imagine your lot will be moaning about concessions for centurions by then though...... Ok, let's put this to bed. I am arguing on behalf of those who are not able to do so, my circumstances are for me alone to consider and 'anger' does not describe the way I feel. The pension age is being increased because the working population is expected to live longer but those who are now over 60 were born at a time when environmental issues amongst other factors have meant that they will not live as long as those born 20, 30 or even 40 years ago and many have passed on before they even got close to drawing a pension. This lot will not be around to complain about centenarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Ok, let's put this to bed. I am arguing on behalf of those who are not able to do so, my circumstances are for me alone to consider and 'anger' does not describe the way I feel. The pension age is being increased because the working population is expected to live longer but those who are now over 60 were born at a time when environmental issues amongst other factors have meant that they will not live as long as those born 20, 30 or even 40 years ago and many have passed on before they even got close to drawing a pension. This lot will not be around to complain about centenarians. No, the retirement age is rising because your generation is living longer NOW. Not when I get older....now, and anyone working at the moment foots the bill. When you think about it your generation will be the last to retire at 65 and still get to live longer - you get the best of both worlds mate. Medical science, environmental issues etc will probably mean I have a longer life expectancy - I'll also be working longer which is something your generation has got away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andoverian Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 It's simple really. After supporting this club for 57 years Southampton Football Club, who were more than happy to charge me the going rate with a senior citizen concession in recent years have decided in their wisdom to up my season ticket price by 72%. As I am 64 and have limited income it has come as a huge financial shock. In addition I freely admit that I am extremely annoyed that the club has not notified me of this decision and expect me to either read it in the press or on their website. I do not know of any other business that would treat long standing clients in such a high handed and arrogant manner. Some of the abuse that I have read on this site towards people like me leaves me sad but I suppose that is the way of the world now. For the first time in almost 2 generations I wil not be in my seat next season. It appears that not only am I not wanted but will not be missed. I wonder if the senior age concession would have been raised to 65 if the club was still in Division 1. I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 For what it's worth, I'm with you. My Dad's 68 so gets the concession price, but as an pensioner, I now shout his ticket, as he had done for me, many (skint) years in the past. All the angst against the senior population on here is pretty ugly to read and if there was a few years difference in Dad's age, I would be fuming at the price hike - as it is I've got away with a mere 33% ish rise, bargain. As for the spite that is being posted on here...pretty shameful, but once people have worked for most of their adults lives, they'll change their opinion on the perks of getting older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 It's simple really. After supporting this club for 57 years Southampton Football Club, who were more than happy to charge me the going rate with a senior citizen concession in recent years have decided in their wisdom to up my season ticket price by 72%. As I am 64 and have limited income it has come as a huge financial shock. In addition I freely admit that I am extremely annoyed that the club has not notified me of this decision and expect me to either read it in the press or on their website. I do not know of any other business that would treat long standing clients in such a high handed and arrogant manner. Some of the abuse that I have read on this site towards people like me leaves me sad but I suppose that is the way of the world now. For the first time in almost 2 generations I wil not be in my seat next season. It appears that not only am I not wanted but will not be missed. I wonder if the senior age concession would have been raised to 65 if the club was still in Division 1. I think not. Just one question, as it's just occured to me, and it's aimed at all on here not just those who are affected by this change. How many of you were complaining last year, on behalf of those moaning that the payment 'concession' had been withdrawn in a seemingly similar manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 It's simple really. After supporting this club for 57 years Southampton Football Club, who were more than happy to charge me the going rate with a senior citizen concession in recent years have decided in their wisdom to up my season ticket price by 72%. As I am 64 and have limited income it has come as a huge financial shock. In addition I freely admit that I am extremely annoyed that the club has not notified me of this decision and expect me to either read it in the press or on their website. I do not know of any other business that would treat long standing clients in such a high handed and arrogant manner. Some of the abuse that I have read on this site towards people like me leaves me sad but I suppose that is the way of the world now. For the first time in almost 2 generations I wil not be in my seat next season. It appears that not only am I not wanted but will not be missed. I wonder if the senior age concession would have been raised to 65 if the club was still in Division 1. I think not. So you're 64. So you have to go without for one year. One year. Excuse me for holding back the tears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I'm 42 and have never been able to justify spending a sizeable chunk of our family leisure budget on a football season ticket. In other words, I can't afford one so I don't buy one. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 There really are some nasty, arrogant, selfish and ignorant bastards on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 There really are some nasty, arrogant, selfish and ignorant bastards on this forum. Don't beat yourself up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Don't beat yourself up. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I rest my case. I'm sorry. I will PM you a Werther's Original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I'm 42 and have never been able to justify spending a sizeable chunk of our family leisure budget on a football season ticket. In other words, I can't afford one so I don't buy one. Simple as that. With all due respect Trousers, the situation that we find ourselves in isn`t as simple as that is it? If I went out today a looked at something and decided that I couldn`t afford it, that`s fair enough, but when the club does what it has done, and how it has done it to long-standing customers who have bought their product for over 50 years that`s a different kettle of fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 There really are some nasty, arrogant, selfish and ignorant bastards on this forum. Sorry. I forgot to add the word "childish". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 With all due respect Trousers, the situation that we find ourselves in isn`t as simple as that is it? If I went out today a looked at something and decided that I couldn`t afford it, that`s fair enough, but when the club does what it has done, and how it has done it to long-standing customers who have bought their product for over 50 years that`s a different kettle of fish. I agree with you on that side of things. It's a sensible policy that has been poorly thought through. If it was me running the business I would have looked at the option of phasing it in. But I've never run a business before and perhaps there's a good reason for that. All I know is that if, for example, the club had, say, 10 years ago introduced a concessionary rate for "blokes on comfortable wage but with little or no disposable income for leisure pursuits" then I would have bought a season ticket in the knowledge that I was only doing Si because I was being offered a discount. I would always gave in the back of my mind that the concessions policy could change at any time and that if my concession was withdrawn I wouldn't see it as something being "taken away" rather i would see it as my price being normalise and be thankful that I've had 10 years of discount. Just a different perspective on life I guess. More pragmatic perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I agree with you on that side of things. It's a sensible policy that has been poorly thought through. If it was me running the business I would have looked at the option of phasing it in. But I've never run a business before and perhaps there's a good reason for that. All I know is that if, for example, the club had, say, 10 years ago introduced a concessionary rate for "blokes on comfortable wage but with little or no disposable income for leisure pursuits" then I would have bought a season ticket in the knowledge that I was only doing Si because I was being offered a discount. I would always gave in the back of my mind that the concessions policy could change at any time and that if my concession was withdrawn I wouldn't see it as something being "taken away" rather i would see it as my price being normalise and be thankful that I've had 10 years of discount. Just a different perspective on life I guess. More pragmatic perhaps. That's all they had to do ! Christ, even the government didn't change the retirement age suddenly in one go !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I agree with you on that side of things. It's a sensible policy that has been poorly thought through. If it was me running the business I would have looked at the option of phasing it in. But I've never run a business before and perhaps there's a good reason for that. All I know is that if, for example, the club had, say, 10 years ago introduced a concessionary rate for "blokes on comfortable wage but with little or no disposable income for leisure pursuits" then I would have bought a season ticket in the knowledge that I was only doing Si because I was being offered a discount. I would always gave in the back of my mind that the concessions policy could change at any time and that if my concession was withdrawn I wouldn't see it as something being "taken away" rather i would see it as my price being normalise and be thankful that I've had 10 years of discount. Just a different perspective on life I guess. More pragmatic perhaps. The problem is though that from my point of view I am NOT complaining about the fact that they have changed the concession from 60 to 65. My problem is with the way in which they have done it. To increase the price of my ticket by 72% without any warning, or notification other than in the press or on the website is heavy- handed and insensitive. The loud-mouthed numpties on here who have taken great childish delight in "wrinkly-baiting" (I now know what it`s like to be a Poopey fan!) have ingnored this point. They are, apparently, all saintly people who would accept it without a murmer if it happened to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 The problem is though that from my point of view I am NOT complaining about the fact that they have changed the concession from 60 to 65. My problem is with the way in which they have done it. To increase the price of my ticket by 72% without any warning, or notification other than in the press or on the website is heavy- handed and insensitive. The loud-mouthed numpties on here who have taken great childish delight in "wrinkly-baiting" (I now know what it`s like to be a Poopey fan!) have ingnored this point. They are, apparently, all saintly people who would accept it without a murmer if it happened to them. No one is wrinkly baiting - we just have the temerity to disagree with you. Get over it - surely in all your many, many years you've experienced this before or have you got to the point that where you are now always right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 No one is wrinkly baiting - we just have the temerity to disagree with you. Get over it - surely in all your many, many years you've experienced this before or have you got to the point that where you are now always right? In all of my posts about this I have basically had one moan. The club has handled the situaton regarding the change badly by making the change in one go and not warning the people that it affects. That is it. Do agree with this or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 That's all they had to do ! Christ, even the government didn't change the retirement age suddenly in one go !!! Short but very sensible post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 My god are the nearly dead STILL going on about this?!! So you're closer to the nearly alive bracket, I take it? Ink hardly dried on your birth certificate? I'm another affected by this change to having to pay more as a senior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 In all of my posts about this I have basically had one moan. The club has handled the situaton regarding the change badly by making the change in one go and not warning the people that it affects. That is it. Do agree with this or not? To be fair it's more Whitey I was disagreeing with - I've already said you should have been informed earlier. Personally I wouldn't have phased it in though as I still believe it was a concession you shouldn't have got. I'm not sure that makes me arrogant, nasty or childish - is that what you call everyone who disagrees with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Those who have benefited from the concession starting at age 60 have been very lucky. Age 65 is the starting age for being a "senior citizen" whether it be for a bus pass, state pension or whatever. It seems that saints have finally fallen into line with the rest of society. If I was one of those caught by this change of course I would be annoyed, but I would hope that I could see the logic of it. I don't understand the complaint about the way the club have dealt wiTh this. What do people expect, a personal phone call or something. The only way you can give bad news is just give it, which the club haVe done. Putting a spoonful of sugar on the news will not make it any sweeter to those affected by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 (edited) Those who have benefited from the concession starting at age 60 have been very lucky. Age 65 is the starting age for being a "senior citizen" whether it be for a bus pass, state pension or whatever. It seems that saints have finally fallen into line with the rest of society. If I was one of those caught by this change of course I would be annoyed, but I would hope that I could see the logic of it. I don't understand the complaint about the way the club have dealt wiTh this. What do people expect, a personal phone call or something. The only way you can give bad news is just give it, which the club haVe done. Putting a spoonful of sugar on the news will not make it any sweeter to those affected by it. Are you saying that if you suddenly found out that your ticket had gone up by 72% without warning that you would meekly accept it without a "moan"? They have not fallen in line. As I keep saying, in most places where there are concessions they still start at 6o. Saints are in a minority. Whether this is right or wrong is dependant on your view point. Edited 14 June, 2011 by miserableoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Are you saying that if you suddenly found out that your ticket had gone up by 72% without warning that you would meekly accept it without a "moan"? They have not fallen in line. As I keep saying, in most places where there are concessions they still start at 6o. Saints are in a minority. Whether this is right or wrong is dependant on your view point. Or of course whether you received it or not. I have to be honest though - I think a lot of antagonism on this thread is precisely because you've had such a vocal moan about it. To a lot of people you've had a 72% decrease in the price of tickets for the last few years when your situation may not be any different to any other working person - is it any surprise that moaning about the loss of something you shouldn't have got in the first place is going to annoy people? I know you are saying it's how the change was managed and maybe you have a point on that but you are also at times coming very close to saying you are entitled to it (or at least that's my perception). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 In all of my posts about this I have basically had one moan. The club has handled the situaton regarding the change badly by making the change in one go and not warning the people that it affects. That is it. Do agree with this or not? So your moan realtes to the club's operating practices and not the price of your ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 So your moan realtes to the club's operating practices and not the price of your ticket? This sounds remarkably similar to last season, when the problem wasn't so much the removal of the instalments but the lack of notice and complete change in policy. The club really has got a long way to go with their treatment of its "customers" at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Or of course whether you received it or not. I have to be honest though - I think a lot of antagonism on this thread is precisely because you've had such a vocal moan about it. To a lot of people you've had a 72% decrease in the price of tickets for the last few years when your situation may not be any different to any other working person - is it any surprise that moaning about the loss of something you shouldn't have got in the first place is going to annoy people? I know you are saying it's how the change was managed and maybe you have a point on that but you are also at times coming very close to saying you are entitled to it (or at least that's my perception). Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 So your moan realtes to the club's operating practices and not the price of your ticket? Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses. And this is exactly why I disagree with you. When I say entitled I'm not disputing the fact that you got it - that's obvious. I'm disputing whether a man in work (or who can afford to retire) is morally entitled to such a concession (and a big one at that). No other age group of working men get it, and why should they? I don't actually begrudge you getting it in the first place even though I was indirectly subsidising you - fair play, you got something I don't think you deserved. I do object to you moaning constantly about the loss of it though. The parallel with MPs fiddling their expenses doesn't compare - where has anyone accused you of fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 Rightly or wrongly, throughout the country at most venues, on buses, in societies or clubs there and have been for many years concession rates for people over 60. This is not new or limited to Saints. It has been a general policy throughout the country. We are entitled to it because we have been offered it in the same way that students and the out of work have been offered it. Undoubtedly as the retirement age gradually rises, this concession will rise with it. Don`t make it sound like we are MP`s fiddling our expenses. Oh dear God! How many more times?? I am not complaing that the club has raised its age for concessions. I am not happy about it but I accept it. My grouse is that for one section of the fan-base, the club has instantly raised prices by 72% without any warning to that section of the fan-base. They could have done this differently by bringing the rise to parity in gradually. As someone else said, even the government is raisng retirement age gradually. You don't have to look far to see where you've said you are entitled to it. Memory not so great eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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