miserableoldgit Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 serious question...have these prices always been so cheap (before the very recent rise) at this level (NPC/CCC) or were they at this level before..? I honestly don`t know. I only turned 60 in 2009 so the concession thing didn`t apply to me till then. I suspect that the concession has always started at 60 as this is the case generally across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I honestly don`t know. I only turned 60 in 2009 so the concession thing didn`t apply to me till then. I suspect that the concession has always started at 60 as this is the case generally across the board. and that has always been the case at the club..? anyway, I do think it is harsh and the hike is very high but also, its raising the price to cheap from ludacrisly cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 and that has always been the case at the club..? anyway, I do think it is harsh and the hike is very high but also, its raising the price to cheap from ludacrisly cheap And I don`t object to that. My "bleat" that the club could have changed what is in effect, their own rules in a more gradual fashion rather than hitting us with a 72% hike in one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 No one seems to have been able to answer my earlier post! Look back to the time we were relegated to the Championship and the price you paid for a season ticket then. Add on inflation and increase in vat. Are you so far away from what you are being asked to pay next season. Forget the change in age concession, that is not the issue. Also was it not 65 and above at that time? From my recollection I reckon the current prices would be a bit cheaper, BUT I'm not sure of the relevance as I thought that when we got relegated we actually kept our Premiership Prices (which was met with much outcry), with Lowe saying we were getting four matches extra (he didn't really seem to understand that quality not quantity was the issue). For our first year in the Championship our prices were way OTT!!!! Our current prices would certainly be in excess of our second year in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Congrats to you on picking up crap typing but then those that are losing an argument usually result to such mouthing off. If you can't afford it then don't go simple isn't. Why should the younger ones subsidise the those that aren't retired. As I said count yourselves lucky you haven't had to pay full price because we have been subsidising you. Pay up or shut it's that easy. well well another big mouth i,m all right jack,when you get older and have more life experiences ,i expect you will start thinking what a silly little boy i used to be in my youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I don`t think that they will squinny. They will just "shut the **** up" and accept it with good grace..........won`t they???? Thing is, I think, is that your % price hike is for your existing seat and not against the cheapest seats available which, I suspect, would be lower than or equal to my price hike of 37%. My seat has gone up 37% and I have no cheaper options available, in fact, if I chose to move it would be close to 100% increase for my nipper and I so count yourself 'kin lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 And I don`t object to that. My "bleat" that the club could have changed what is in effect, their own rules in a more gradual fashion rather than hitting us with a 72% hike in one go. Most accept that it's a mistake but dry your eyes about it accept that you can still watch Saints for £16, which is cheap, and stop being so 'kin precious about where you sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 From my recollection I reckon the current prices would be a bit cheaper, BUT I'm not sure of the relevance as I thought that when we got relegated we actually kept our Premiership Prices (which was met with much outcry), with Lowe saying we were getting four matches extra (he didn't really seem to understand that quality not quantity was the issue). For our first year in the Championship our prices were way OTT!!!! Our current prices would certainly be in excess of our second year in the Championship. I have just checked and I paid £522 each in 2005 and am being asked for £515 now. That was six years ago and we've had inflation, VAT and an enormous recession since then. In 2006 they were £493, in 2008 £420. I can't find 2007. These were all full prices without concessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Most accept that it's a mistake but dry your eyes about it accept that you can still watch Saints for £16, which is cheap, and stop being so 'kin precious about where you sit. Where I sit is important to me, if not to you. If I had to move I would not get a season ticket. £16 is not cheap for the championship. There are many clubs which are cheaper, even in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Where I sit is important to me, if not to you. If I had to move I would not get a season ticket. £16 is not cheap for the championship. There are many clubs which are cheaper, even in the Premiership. How very odd. As long as I can see the pitch I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 How very odd. As long as I can see the pitch I'm happy. Well that's where we are different. In most arenas or theatres some seats are seen as more desirable than others, hence the price variations. The worst seat I have ever had at any football ground anywhere was for the home cup game against Shrewsbury when I was sitting at the southern end of the Itchen stand facing straight along the track behind the Chapel goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 (edited) How very odd. Why do you think there are variations in prices for tickets at St Mary's and pretty much every other stadium? The Itchen/Kingsland centre is more expensive than the Northam because they have the best views of the match overall. It is also why the TV cameras are placed on the halfway line at games and why the directors seating areas are in block 7. Yes, you might get a better "atmosphere" in the Northam, but in terms of a view on the match it is no where near as good a vantage point compared to sitting in block 31 or 7. Edited 12 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 To be honest all concessions are inherently unfair - the very nature of them ensures that. The cost of a seat to the club is exactly the same regardless of the demographic you fall into. That said, I don't begrudge concessions per se and they can be a good thing when taken in the context that saints are a community club. The 60-65 group of people should have had the price increase communicated to them earlier to allow them to budget but I don't think bringing them in line with the rest of "normal" punters is unfair; they're still of working age and no different to a 30, 40 or 50 year old. Some of the baby boomer generation are incredibly well off - my Dad's neighbour is a successful small businessman who is moaning about the increases yet I'm willing to bet he has more disposable income than most of us. My Dad is spending money like there's no tomorrow because he's inherited my grandad's estate and can retire early. Why should these people get concessions? They're no different to the rest of us. If you've retired early because you can afford it then good luck to you but don't expect cheaper tickets if you are of working age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Why do you think there are variations in prices for tickets at St Mary's and pretty much every other stadium? The Itchen/Kingsland centre is more expensive than the Northam because they have the best views of the match overall. It is also why the TV cameras are placed on the halfway line at games and why the directors seating areas are in block 7. Yes, you might get a better "atmosphere" in the Northam, but in terms of a view on the match it is no where near as good a vantage point compared to sitting in block 31 or 7. Well I would have never worked that out all by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 To be honest all concessions are inherently unfair - the very nature of them ensures that. The cost of a seat to the club is exactly the same regardless of the demographic you fall into. That said, I don't begrudge concessions per se and they can be a good thing when taken in the context that saints are a community club. The 60-65 group of people should have had the price increase communicated to them earlier to allow them to budget but I don't think bringing them in line with the rest of "normal" punters is unfair; they're still of working age and no different to a 30, 40 or 50 year old. Some of the baby boomer generation are incredibly well off - my Dad's neighbour is a successful small businessman who is moaning about the increases yet I'm willing to bet he has more disposable income than most of us. My Dad is spending money like there's no tomorrow because he's inherited my grandad's estate and can retire early. Why should these people get concessions? They're no different to the rest of us. If you've retired early because you can afford it then good luck to you but don't expect cheaper tickets if you are of working age. It's always easy to find specific examples that disprove the general. For every wealthy council chief executive who's taken early retirement there a 63 year old retired female cleaner. Whichever way you look at it these are whopping great price rises that make the club one of the most expensive in the division. You are correct in saying that every seat cost the club the same. Provided that every game is not a sell-out then it is in the interests of the club to get as much money in as possible and a large part of this is going to be from selling reduced-price tickets to the more elderly. Despite what you might think it is a lot more difficult for someone over 60 to get a job and many are physically less capable of doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Well that's where we are different. In most arenas or theatres some seats are seen as more desirable than others, hence the price variations. The worst seat I have ever had at any football ground anywhere was for the home cup game against Shrewsbury when I was sitting at the southern end of the Itchen stand facing straight along the track behind the Chapel goal. People don't seem too fussed when it's a big away game and they are allocated a ticket in a random manner yet get all precious over "their" seat at SMS. As I said, odd. As long as I can see the pitch I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Well I would have never worked that out all by myself. Then why do you consider it 'odd' if someone prefers sitting there to the corners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 People don't seem too fussed when it's a big away game and they are allocated a ticket in a random manner yet get all precious over "their" seat at SMS. As I said, odd. As long as I can see the pitch I'm happy. Away games are a completely different experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 (edited) Then why do you consider it 'odd' if someone prefers sitting there to the corners? why should I pay more for my crap seat than you do for your good seat..? Edited 12 June, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Then why do you consider it 'odd' if someone prefers sitting there to the corners? What I find odd is how people get so precious about "their" seat. If they moved the family area up into a corner I'd be relaxed as long as I could see the pitch. Far too many anal folk who think "their" seat is actually theirs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Away games are a completely different experience. Same principle. You go to watch the team on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 It's always easy to find specific examples that disprove the general. For every wealthy council chief executive who's taken early retirement there a 63 year old retired female cleaner. Whichever way you look at it these are whopping great price rises that make the club one of the most expensive in the division. You are correct in saying that every seat cost the club the same. Provided that every game is not a sell-out then it is in the interests of the club to get as much money in as possible and a large part of this is going to be from selling reduced-price tickets to the more elderly. Despite what you might think it is a lot more difficult for someone over 60 to get a job and many are physically less capable of doing so. You are of course absolutely correct that not everyone in the 60-65 bracket is well off or has retired - that puts those people in the same group as the rest of us. Why should the 60-65 aged people get cheaper tickets? I'm not sure I'd class you as elderly as you can still work so what's the justification? Are you advocating prices based on an ability to pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 why should I pay more for my crap seat than you do for your good seat..? I don't believe that anybody has suggested that you should? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Same principle. You go to watch the team on the pitch. There's a lot more to the 'matchday experience' than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 You are of course absolutely correct that not everyone in the 60-65 bracket is well off or has retired - that puts those people in the same group as the rest of us. Why should the 60-65 aged people get cheaper tickets? I'm not sure I'd class you as elderly as you can still work so what's the justification? Are you advocating prices based on an ability to pay? Means testing of any sort is invidious. For the last few seasons at least the club has given a concession to this particular age group, presumably because they recognise that they form an important and valuable part of their support and did not reduce their income from other supporters. For some reason they have changed their minds and it remains to be seen what effect this will have on their overall income. They are, of course, perfectly entitled to do this but we should not be surprised if crowd figures are lower next season. There are some other strange marketing decisions such as discouraging people from turning up on the day by charging extra for these tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Means testing of any sort is invidious. For the last few seasons at least the club has given a concession to this particular age group, presumably because they recognise that they form an important and valuable part of their support and did not reduce their income from other supporters. For some reason they have changed their minds and it remains to be seen what effect this will have on their overall income. They are, of course, perfectly entitled to do this but we should not be surprised if crowd figures are lower next season. There are some other strange marketing decisions such as discouraging people from turning up on the day by charging extra for these tickets. I agree means testing would be a stupid idea so with no justification as to why the 60-65 year olds should receive a concession I think we can agree that they've got away with it for the last few years and should be grateful. That subset of fans has been lucky - there's pretty much no chance most people younger will get away with it in future. If you'd like to moan about generational differences then let's look at the fact that the age of retirement will rise to at least 67, or that getting on the housing ladder is virtually impossible (due in no small part to the baby boomer generation buying up second homes to make profit). No other generation will be as lucky as yours and yet you still moan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I agree means testing would be a stupid idea so with no justification as to why the 60-65 year olds should receive a concession I think we can agree that they've got away with it for the last few years and should be grateful. That subset of fans has been lucky - there's pretty much no chance most people younger will get away with it in future. If you'd like to moan about generational differences then let's look at the fact that the age of retirement will rise to at least 67, or that getting on the housing ladder is virtually impossible (due in no small part to the baby boomer generation buying up second homes to make profit). No other generation will be as lucky as yours and yet you still moan.... We may be baby boomers but that doesn't mean that we have lived through boom times. All that we have achieved has been done through our own hard work, and those that did put money away towards their old age have had it stolen by the previous government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 We may be baby boomers but that doesn't mean that we have lived through boom times. All that we have achieved has been done through our own hard work, and those that did put money away towards their old age have had it stolen by the previous government. Which is of course what everyone else is doing right now...so again why should you be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Which is of course what everyone else is doing right now...so again why should you be different? It's a question of marketing policy. Many businesses give reduced prices to pensioners, even my local fish & chip shops. The big gripe against Saints is the change from 60 to 65 at the same time as whopping great price increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 It's a question of marketing policy. Many businesses give reduced prices to pensioners, even my local fish & chip shops. The big gripe against Saints is the change from 60 to 65 at the same time as whopping great price increases. So the justification is marketing? Seriously? Fact is you are NOT a pensioner - you can still work, and if your job doesn't cover the cost of a ST then welcome to our world. In many ways you were luckier than us and are still luckier than us. I agree that you should have been informed earlier and that would have been fairer but that's all we agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 why should I pay more for my crap seat than you do for your good seat..? You already do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 So the justification is marketing? Seriously? Fact is you are NOT a pensioner - you can still work, and if your job doesn't cover the cost of a ST then welcome to our world. In many ways you were luckier than us and are still luckier than us. I agree that you should have been informed earlier and that would have been fairer but that's all we agree on. But what about those who are? Who will speak up for them? Of course it is marketing. The club needs the income from the older supporter. Even Old Trafford gives concessions (over 65) and a season ticket on the halfway line is £380. (I would dearly love to retire but I struggle on through all sorts of physical problems because my money has been stolen and frittered by a government for which I did not vote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 But what about those who are? Who will speak up for them? Of course it is marketing. The club needs the income from the older supporter. Even Old Trafford gives concessions (over 65) and a season ticket on the halfway line is £380. (I would dearly love to retire but I struggle on through all sorts of physical problems because my money has been stolen and frittered by a government for which I did not vote) The over 65's do get a concession - if you think it's too low then join the argument that prices are too high and not the one that seeks to justify a concession you weren't entitled to. No one moaned when you got it in the first place but it is objectionable when you moan about it being taken away. The government thing is a complete irrelevancy and has no bearing on this topic, personally I didn't vote for a government that privatised nationalised industries, subsidise them and then place that revenue in the hands of the few but that's a topic for the lounge and not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 The over 65's do get a concession - if you think it's too low then join the argument that prices are too high and not the one that seeks to justify a concession you weren't entitled to. No one moaned when you got it in the first place but it is objectionable when you moan about it being taken away. The government thing is a complete irrelevancy and has no bearing on this topic, personally I didn't vote for a government that privatised nationalised industries, subsidise them and then place that revenue in the hands of the few but that's a topic for the lounge and not here. ??? I was within the age group and was therefore perfectly entitled to receive it, and would still do so at many other clubs. The second point is that it is not generally possible nor desirable for older people to continue working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 We are talking about a discretionary, expensive, leisure purchase at the end of the day. This is why the moaners should not expect any sympathy (add in the fact that they can no doubt afford an ST on the new installment plan anyway but just object to paying the same as everyone else....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 ??? I was within the age group and was therefore perfectly entitled to receive it, and would still do so at many other clubs. The second point is that it is not generally possible nor desirable for older people to continue working. Perfectly entitled yet unable to justify...... The second point is irrelevant until you reach the age of 65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Perfectly entitled yet unable to justify...... The second point is irrelevant until you reach the age of 65. Unless you're a woman, and many are. (This is going round in circles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Unless you're a woman, and many are. (This is going round in circles) It's only going round in circles because you refuse to admit that the 60-65 age group is no different from any other working age group. You can't defend or justify it despite many opportunities. What did you expect after sooooo many moaning posts? Honestly, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 It's only going round in circles because you refuse to admit that the 60-65 age group is no different from any other working age group. You can't defend or justify it despite many opportunities. What did you expect after sooooo many moaning posts? Honestly, really? Of course it's different. It's older and it has a reduced life expectancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Of course it's different. It's older and it has a reduced life expectancy. Oh dear god, are we advocating prices based on life expectancy now? What an utterly moronic suggestion. Do people in their 50's get a slightly reduced price as well? Or maybe serious illnesses need to be taken into consideration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Oh dear god, are we advocating prices based on life expectancy now? What an utterly moronic suggestion. Do people in their 50's get a slightly reduced price as well? Or maybe serious illnesses need to be taken into consideration? i like that idea! i smoked for years,drank heavily & took enough drugs to kill an elephant every weekend for 10 or so years. also i'm very unfit, never exercise & have a crappy diet so my life expectancy must be very low. i think about £ 50 would be a fair price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 i like that idea! i smoked for years,drank heavily & took enough drugs to kill an elephant every weekend for 10 or so years. also i'm very unfit, never exercise & have a crappy diet so my life expectancy must be very low. i think about £ 50 would be a fair price. To be fair me too so I stand to gain from this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Unless you're a woman, and many are. (This is going round in circles) Sorry but you are beeating your head against a brick wall. Nobody has actually addressed the "women" situation despite both you and I mentioning it. They all ignore the bits of the argument that they don`t like to give you/us a bashing. All Saints together eh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Oh dear god, are we advocating prices based on life expectancy now? What an utterly moronic suggestion. Do people in their 50's get a slightly reduced price as well? Or maybe serious illnesses need to be taken into consideration? No need for the insults. The reason the pension age for men was set at 65 is that not many were expected to reach it. Until you get old you will never understand the effects that ageing has on your ability to earn a living. But this is beside the point. For some time the club has been willing, for whatever reason, to offer reduced prices to various age groups. They have now restricted the scope of these reductions at the same time as increasing all prices for what is after only the Championship. You cannot expect those most affected not to complain about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 i like that idea! i smoked for years,drank heavily & took enough drugs to kill an elephant every weekend for 10 or so years. also i'm very unfit, never exercise & have a crappy diet so my life expectancy must be very low. i think about £ 50 would be a fair price. Seems fair to me. Provided that the club can have your ticket back if you don't make it to the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 No need for the insults. The reason the pension age for men was set at 65 is that not many were expected to reach it. Until you get old you will never understand the effects that ageing has on your ability to earn a living. But this is beside the point. For some time the club has been willing, for whatever reason, to offer reduced prices to various age groups. They have now restricted the scope of these reductions at the same time as increasing all prices for what is after only the Championship. You cannot expect those most affected not to complain about it. how long has the 60 age cap thingy been around..? has it always been like that..or did the club drop it to that age at some point..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 how long has the 60 age cap thingy been around..? has it always been like that..or did the club drop it to that age at some point..? As far as Saints are concerned nobody seems to know. It all came in with the Sex Discrimination Act of 1975 since when men and women have to be treated equally. Age concessions have to be the same for both sexes so some institutions start at 60 to make men the same as women and some at 65 to make women the same as men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 how long has the 60 age cap thingy been around..? has it always been like that..or did the club drop it to that age at some point..? The 60 thing is not just at Saints. It general across the country whether it`s bus passes (I am entitled to one but don`t have one), cinemas, theatres etc in fact in most places concessions start at 60. Not forgetting concessions for students etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Yes, don't forget concessions for students etc. That is most germane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 The 60 thing is not just at Saints. It general across the country whether it`s bus passes (I am entitled to one but don`t have one), cinemas, theatres etc in fact in most places concessions start at 60. Not forgetting concessions for students etc. if we are listing examples..what about the places where no age concessions are in place..? do you get an age concession when you book with british airways..? this is about saints and i was curious if anyone had the answer to my question...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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