"War On Drugs" has failed.

[LVSaint]

Weed needs to be legalised across the board everywhere. Revenue would kickstart these crappy economies - California is getting closer to making it happen each time they vote on it.

 

People will not stop using. Regulation would lead to safer preparation and stamp out the crime it's associated with.

 

Once legalised, I do not see pot as a leapfrog drug whereby users will automatically move to harder, more damaging drugs. For it to be deemed on a par with alcohol, it's more likely that it will prevent users moving on to the nasty stuff.

 

It's a no-brainer dude.

Edited 2 June, 2011 by LVSaint

[1976_Child]

as someone who has sampled many drugs...know people in deepest darkest millbrook and shirley warren fecking their lives up on serious drugs...I cant see in anyway, making them more freely available is in anyway shape or form a good idea.......

 

Thank you Dell. There is nothing to gain for society. Also, what does it say to people? Go wreck your lives on dope. I knew two fellas who smoked so much weed - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both paranoid skitsoes. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands, and thousands in long term psychiatric care. And their 'sensible' middle class families are devastated.

 

Drugs are evil. Drug dealers are lower than worms. One way ticket to the Scrubbs if I had my way. And only because I am against the death penalty.

[Saintandy666]

Thank you Dell. There is nothing to gain for society. Also, what does it say to people? Go wreck your lives on dope. I knew two fellas who smoked so much weed - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both paranoid skitsoes. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands, and thousands in long term psychiatric care. And their 'sensible' middle class families are devastated.

 

Drugs are evil. Drug dealers are lower than worms. One way ticket to the Scrubbs if I had my way. And only because I am against the death penalty.

 

But legalisation has been proven to raise and save billions, and reduce drug use and so stop the cases you describe from happening as often.

 

Everything is excess is bad. What would happen to me physically and mentally if I sat here and drank alcohol all day?

[revolution saint]

Thank you Dell. There is nothing to gain for society. Also, what does it say to people? Go wreck your lives on dope. I knew two fellas who smoked so much weed - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both paranoid skitsoes. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands, and thousands in long term psychiatric care. And their 'sensible' middle class families are devastated.

 

Drugs are evil. Drug dealers are lower than worms. One way ticket to the Scrubbs if I had my way. And only because I am against the death penalty.

 

At what point did anyone suggest otherwise?

[1976_Child]

At what point did anyone suggest otherwise?

 

because most hippie-sh!ts who want to decriminalize drugs appear to believe that they are just awesome, cool and harmless and that drug dealers are Che revolutionaries. Boll0x. Dealers are murderers.

[Saintandy666]

because most hippie-sh!ts who want to decriminalize drugs appear to believe that they are just awesome, cool and harmless and that drug dealers are Che revolutionaries. Boll0x. Dealers are murderers.

 

When have I said that drugs are awesome and drug dealers are amazing?

[LVSaint]

have you ever been to lisbon..one of the worst hell holes in europe.

 

Obviously you didn't get out further than the docks.

[revolution saint]

because most hippie-sh!ts who want to decriminalize drugs appear to believe that they are just awesome, cool and harmless and that drug dealers are Che revolutionaries. Boll0x. Dealers are murderers.

 

Well that's your opinion - most pro legalisation posters seem to believe that it would lead to less drug use, less crime and less health issues as well as cutting off the market to the dealers.

[Thedelldays]

Obviously you didn't get out further than the docks.

been all over that place...it is a shyt hole..

 

sure the city centre is nice and are the other built up places like any major city...but in general, the place is filth

[Lighthouse]

Thank you Dell. There is nothing to gain for society. Also, what does it say to people? Go wreck your lives on dope. I knew two fellas who smoked so much weed - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both paranoid skitsoes. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands, and thousands in long term psychiatric care. And their 'sensible' middle class families are devastated.

 

Drugs are evil. Drug dealers are lower than worms. One way ticket to the Scrubbs if I had my way. And only because I am against the death penalty.

 

So that would be two more who weren't detered by the fact that weed is illegal. Two more who gave tens of thousands of pounds to organised crime and yet never paid a penny of VAT.

 

Here is your post with a few words changed:

 

I knew two fellas who drank so much alcohol - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both paranoid skitsoes. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands.

 

and again

 

I knew two fellas who smoked so much tabacco - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both decomposing corpses. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands.

 

and again

 

I knew two fellas who sniffed so much paint thinners - heavy duty stuff, too - that they are now both paranoid skitsoes. Utterly ****ed up their brains. Irreversible damage. They are costing the NHS thousands.

 

You can't just ban anything which has ever been abused. The key to it is in education. Making people not want to take drugs, regardless of whether they're legal or not. I can't really say this without disrespecting your friends, but they chose to smoke weed, knowing the risks and knowing it was illegal. To that extent they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

I'm not going to patronise anyone who takes drugs. I know several people who smoke weed and they're smashing blokes. At the same time though, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them if they started suffering from the side effects. That's not to say we shouldn't help people rehabilitate themselves, but they have no right to blame society.

[1976_Child]

Well that's your opinion - most pro legalisation posters seem to believe that it would lead to less drug use, less crime and less health issues as well as cutting off the market to the dealers.

 

So how has that worked out in America, after they scrapped prohibition of booze? Did booze use go down, per capita? Any booze related deaths in the US? Less booze-fueled crime per capita?

 

That argument is just crap. The idea that there will be less drug use if it is legal is, well, just so much idiocy.

[Lighthouse]

been all over that place...it is a shyt hole..

 

sure the city centre is nice and are the other built up places like any major city...but in general, the place is filth

 

Marseille - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole

Detroit - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole

Portsmouth - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole

 

You cannot claim Lisboa is a sh*thole because everyone has been stoned off their tits for 10 years. According to this article, Lisboa has actually improved. Even so, they haven't really done it properly, the drugs are still sourced illegally even if usage is legal.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8106689.stm

[1976_Child]

So that would be two more who weren't detered by the fact that weed is illegal. Two more who gave tens of thousands of pounds to organised crime and yet never paid a penny of VAT.

 

Here is your post with a few words changed:

 

 

 

and again

 

 

 

and again

 

 

 

You can't just ban anything which has ever been abused. The key to it is in education. Making people not want to take drugs, regardless of whether they're legal or not. I can't really say this without disrespecting your friends, but they chose to smoke weed, knowing the risks and knowing it was illegal. To that extent they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

I'm not going to patronise anyone who takes drugs. I know several people who smoke weed and they're smashing blokes. At the same time though, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them if they started suffering from the side effects. That's not to say we shouldn't help people rehabilitate themselves, but they have no right to blame society.

 

The point is that society is saying 'NO!'. More people will use and get hooked and **** their lives up if they are legal and readily available. Just because the law changes does not change the chemical of the drug.

 

What this is really about is a reaction against the state. Nothing else. There is nothing remotely sensible about the proposal to decrim drugs. And blessedly it is a total non-starter with all political parties. Thank God.

[Thedelldays]

Marseille - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole

Detroit - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole

Portsmouth - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole

 

You cannot claim Lisboa is a sh*thole because everyone has been stoned off their tits for 10 years. According to this article, Lisboa has actually improved. Even so, they haven't really done it properly, the drugs are still sourced illegally even if usage is legal.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8106689.stm

I can claim lisboa is a shyt hole as I have been there a fair few times and knew people who lived out there for a few years....thanks anyway

[revolution saint]

So how has that worked out in America, after they scrapped prohibition of booze? Did booze use go down, per capita? Any booze related deaths in the US? Less booze-fueled crime per capita?

 

That argument is just crap. The idea that there will be less drug use if it is legal is, well, just so much idiocy.

 

No one is talking about drugs being as readily available as alcohol. We're talking about controlling a situation and being better able to help people who are addicted. I could turn the argument on it's head if you like - is the current situation so great? You quote examples of people you know (victims) as justification for keeping the status quo but surely it's an indictment of the very system you appear to be trying to defend?

[Lighthouse]

The point is that society is saying 'NO!'. More people will use and get hooked and **** their lives up if they are legal and readily available. Just because the law changes does not change the chemical of the drug.

 

What this is really about is a reaction against the state. Nothing else. There is nothing remotely sensible about the proposal to decrim drugs. And blessedly it is a total non-starter with all political parties. Thank God.

 

That's just plain wrong. It's been shown in every example I've seen that drug use has declined in countries where it is legal. Answer me this question honnestly:

 

Have you EVER met ANYONE who had said, or implied, "I'd love to smoke weed/shoot up heroine/snort cocaine, but I'm not going to because it's illegal."

[1976_Child]

No one is talking about drugs being as readily available as alcohol. We're talking about controlling a situation and being better able to help people who are addicted. I could turn the argument on it's head if you like - is the current situation so great? You quote examples of people you know (victims) as justification for keeping the status quo but surely it's an indictment of the very system you appear to be trying to defend?

 

You make my point! My friends would still be zombies if it was decriminalized. But so would a whole lot MORE people. If someone wants to get high bad enough he will. The point of criminalizing drugs is to keep a firm line drawn in the dirt. I do however belief that much, much, much more funding needs to be available to users. In no way should they be marginalised, but helped. And sending the user to prison is just stupid. I've already said what I would do with the dealers.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I can claim lisboa is a shyt hole as I have been there a fair few times and knew people who lived out there for a few years....thanks anyway

 

He said you couldn't claim it was a ****hole because of drugs, not that you couldn't claim it was a ****hole.

[Saintandy666]

You make my point! My friends would still be zombies if it was decriminalized. But so would a whole lot MORE people. If someone wants to get high bad enough he will. The point of criminalizing drugs is to keep a firm line drawn in the dirt. I do however belief that much, much, much more funding needs to be available to users. In no way should they be marginalised, but helped. And sending the user to prison is just stupid. I've already said what I would do with the dealers.

 

No, the statistics(for the millionth time) show that drug usage has DECLINED, therefore there wouldn't be a whole lot more people who get to the stage you describe, there would be less.

[Lighthouse]

I can claim lisboa is a shyt hole as I have been there a fair few times and knew people who lived out there for a few years....thanks anyway

 

WTF?! Are you deliberately pretending to be thick so you don't have to counter my point? I'm not saying Lisboa isn't a sh*t hole. I'm sure you're right. It's probably an absolute dump, but what is it that makes you think this is down to the legalisation of drugs. I used to live in Amsterdam. Walked round it in the middle of the night a couple of times. Sat in the park drinking beer. Not once did I feel in any way under threat that some stoner might come and mug me. 'most everyone I saw was completely normal. Guess who the antisocial nutjobs were? That's right. British tourists.

 

No one is talking about drugs being as readily available as alcohol. We're talking about controlling a situation and being better able to help people who are addicted. I could turn the argument on it's head if you like - is the current situation so great? You quote examples of people you know (victims) as justification for keeping the status quo but surely it's an indictment of the very system you appear to be trying to defend?

 

Perfectly put.

[LVSaint]

been all over that place...it is a shyt hole..

 

sure the city centre is nice and are the other built up places like any major city...but in general, the place is filth

 

It's a poorer and a more run down than other wealthier capitals. You just said it has a nice centre and sh!t outskirts...don't they all?

I still say that you have not been much further than the docks TBF.

[LVSaint]

I'm not saying Lisboa isn't a sh*t hole. I'm sure you're right. It's probably an absolute dump,

 

Oh don't you start. It's ****ing not alright...

[Thedelldays]

He said you couldn't claim it was a ****hole because of drugs, not that you couldn't claim it was a ****hole.

 

it is...I could not imagine walking around west quay, or gun wharf and people openly trying to sell you kilo blocks of dope, coke, crack.

 

this happened when I was in the vasco da gama (sp) shopping centre...also right next to a turnstile at the estadio jose arvaladse, outside the hard rock cafe....etc....and countless other times...

 

when there problem is so bad (like it is in lisbon) any amount of decrease will show..but it has not solved anything really...

[1976_Child]

That's just plain wrong. It's been shown in every example I've seen that drug use has declined in countries where it is legal. Answer me this question honnestly:

 

Have you EVER met ANYONE who had said, or implied, "I'd love to smoke weed/shoot up heroine/snort cocaine, but I'm not going to because it's illegal."

 

Sorry chum, you are wrong. Plain wrong. Useage goes up. People experiment and some get hooked. There is nothing, and no report you could show me to convince me otherwise.

 

Explain why Amsterdam is now making it increasingly harder for cafes to get licenses for weed? Because they are fed up with the stone heads wondering around.

 

Drugs are wrong. Evil. Drug users are sad, sad ****ers who need clinical help. Drug dealers are scum and should be flogged in public and then imprisoned for life. Until they die.

 

Thank God none of our politicians is prepared to unleash hell on Earth by decriminalizing drugs. It will **** off the egiot hippie brigade but at least young children will still grow up in a country which is prepared to recognize, in law, the danger that drugs are.

[scotty]

So how has that worked out in America, after they scrapped prohibition of booze? Did booze use go down, per capita? Any booze related deaths in the US? Less booze-fueled crime per capita?

 

That argument is just crap. The idea that there will be less drug use if it is legal is, well, just so much idiocy.

 

Now that is genuinely deluded. Read up on the effects of prohibition, almost any book about it will do, and you will find the same story which is a microcosm of what is being discussed here. Chicago basically got handed over to the mafia to run, and an entire nation was criminalised together with its whole political system corrupted. US prohibition is a prime example of the need to rethink the drug laws in this day and age.

[1976_Child]

No, the statistics(for the millionth time) show that drug usage has DECLINED, therefore there wouldn't be a whole lot more people who get to the stage you describe, there would be less.

 

Wrong. Plain Wrong.

[1976_Child]

Now that is genuinely deluded. Read up on the effects of prohibition, almost any book about it will do, and you will find the same story which is a microcosm of what is being discussed here. Chicago basically got handed over to the mafia to run, and an entire nation was criminalised together with its whole political system corrupted. US prohibition is a prime example of the need to rethink the drug laws in this day and age.

 

but did use go up after the ban was lifted..... thank, you. Point set and match to me.

[Lighthouse]

My friends would still be zombies if it was decriminalized. But so would a whole lot MORE people.

 

As several people have pointed out on several occasions, experience has proven this to be completely untrue.

 

If someone wants to get high bad enough he will.

 

Which backs up the 'legalise it' argument entirely

 

The point of criminalizing drugs is to keep a firm line drawn in the dirt.

 

Which is clearly of no deterant what-so-ever to anyone who wants to abuse drugs.

 

I do however belief that much, much, much more funding needs to be available to users. In no way should they be marginalised, but helped.

 

And having a taxable, government drug supply would pay for their rehabilitation 100 times over.

 

And sending the user to prison is just stupid. I've already said what I would do with the dealers.

 

We agree on something at least.

[scotty]

but did use go up after the ban was lifted..... thank, you. Point set and match to me.

 

How could anybody possibly know? How would they be able to keep records of alcohol consumption when it was prohibited by law and the government was in the hands of organised crime???

 

edit, yes it did reduce consumption, but this says it all;

 

While Prohibition was successful in reducing the amount of liquor consumed, it stimulated the proliferation of rampant underground, organized and widespread criminal activity

Edited 2 June, 2011 by scotty

[Lighthouse]

but did use go up after the ban was lifted..... thank, you. Point set and match to me.

 

Because alcohol was under very short supply under prohibition. It was so much harder to hide that a couple of ecstacy pills. You can't shove a pint of lager up your arse in a condom.

 

Nowadays you can pick up drugs at any high school party or behind a night club.

[1976_Child]

As several people have pointed out on several occasions, experience has proven this to be completely untrue.

 

 

 

Which backs up the 'legalise it' argument entirely

 

 

 

Which is clearly of no deterant what-so-ever to anyone who wants to abuse drugs.

 

 

 

And having a taxable, government drug supply would pay for their rehabilitation 100 times over.

 

 

 

We agree on something at least.

 

So you want my young children (my fictional young children) lying awake at night dreaming of when they are old enough to cook up? No thanks. I want them knowing that drugs are illegal and dangerous. Legalising them is society giving the nod to their use. And once again, I don't buy the argument that use goes down. It doesn't. For ever report that says it does, there is one that says it goes up. I love it when people cling to 'reports'. This is a case of morality, not reports. Drugs are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. No amount of reports will change that fact, hence they are rightly illegal. Thank God.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

There's little point debating this. It will never happen, too many people are just too scared, hysterical and well, thick, to have even have a rational debate about the pros and cons of decriminalising drugs.

 

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Despite the hundreds and hundreds of billions spent on 'the war on drugs', despite the thousands of dealers and police killed, the millions of addicts and the countless crimes committed to fund users' habits around the world we still get politicians and voters choosing to keep on fighting the war. mental.

[revolution saint]

but did use go up after the ban was lifted..... thank, you. Point set and match to me.

 

How would you know? That's the point people are trying to make - not that drugs are good but that legalisation would enable us to know the extent of the problem. At the moment we only know it's consequences and as you agree, they are not good.

[LVSaint]

Drugs are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. No amount of reports will change that fact, hence they are rightly illegal. Thank God.

 

Are you talking Class A or weed...or just blanketing over all 'drugs'? What about alcohol?

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

it is...I could not imagine walking around west quay, or gun wharf and people openly trying to sell you kilo blocks of dope, coke, crack.

 

this happened when I was in the vasco da gama (sp) shopping centre...also right next to a turnstile at the estadio jose arvaladse, outside the hard rock cafe....etc....and countless other times...

 

when there problem is so bad (like it is in lisbon) any amount of decrease will show..but it has not solved anything really...

 

Look I've never been, I'm just pointing out what his argument was which you didn't seem to get in the post I quoted.

[Thedelldays]

Look I've never been, I'm just pointing out what his argument was which you didn't seem to get in the post I quoted.

 

I do get it..just lisbon has a very big drug problem which in my experiences, pretty much lend me to give it a negative opinion...

other places (imo) could well be shyt holes for other reasons

[aintforever]

I don't see how legalising hard drugs will make people use them less, having them illegal certainly put me off when I was a kid.

 

IMO alcohol is the best and worst drug, looking at the state of alcohol abuse in today's society should warning enough not to legalise crack, coke etc.

[Saintandy666]

I don't see how legalising hard drugs will make people use them less, having them illegal certainly put me off when I was a kid.

 

IMO alcohol is the best and worst drug, looking at the state of alcohol abuse in today's society should warning enough not to legalise crack, coke etc.

 

Did you not study prohibition, the number of bars sky-rocketed and they were all underground and funded and owned by big gangs. The crime as a consequence was staggering, not to mention the quality of the alcohol decreased and people also tended to drink stronger stuff.

 

And again, the statistics show that less people get hooked on hard drugs when it is legal.

[dubai_phil]

The problem is that like many "debates" there are polarised views ingrained over the years.

 

Nobody ever seems to step back and look at the whole picture and look for something new.

 

Watching the Sky report it started with "should look at new ideas" that the letter proposed and then fell straight back into Law & Order & Health debates.

 

Nobody seems to start from point 1.

 

Some people wish to take drugs.

Drugs are bad for you.

Drugs create a massive burden on the Health Service

Drugs cause crime as addicts seek to find money

It causes enviromental damage as each "electronic item" nicked by a druggie is sold for a few quid and yet the Insurance company pays for a brand new unit stipping even MORE precious material from the earth.

 

Now all of those basic facts lead to some simple answers

 

Drug education is not good enough to deter people

Health monitoring systems are not in place and Druggies only get help when it is "almost too late"

 

The DEBATE about banning such substances is all but lost. It hasn't worked in 50 years.

 

BUT the whole thing is nobody ever comes up with any other solutions.

 

There are zillions of ways to start from a blank sheet to look at how to manage the problem.

 

Make it illegal to discriminate against anyone taking recreational drugs in a work environment so that you can hold a "Drugs Licence"

Issue Smart Cards with metered allowances to anyone wanting to take drugs after passing a "Driving Test" (Parental approval required)

Sell the drugs directly by the Government to fund that, an increase in Police resources & Health & Education Centres. (Oh and make it cheaper than the illegal drugs)

Make non-State used Drug crime penalties FAR more heavy

Have compulsory medical and mental testing to retain said licence 6 monthly or annually and send people at risk to centres for help.

 

Decriminalise Drugs doesn't mean make them legal it can also mean taking the Supply Chain away from criminals.

 

And none of thise above are an actual answer, it needs far better minds than mine on the problem. but nobody ever thinks that way and if they DO it gets drowned out in "Law & Order Debate"

 

So it won't go away & people will still get their DVD's/Ipads nicked

 

But

[LVSaint]

I do get it..just lisbon has a very big drug problem which in my experiences, pretty much lend me to give it a negative opinion...

other places (imo) could well be shyt holes for other reasons

 

I won't argue with you, drugs are a major problem in the city. Having spent a lot of time there and spoken to and knowing a lot of people there (I share in your experiences of being offered the stuff in busy tourist thoroughfares).

Drugs aside, it's still a great city.

[Lighthouse]

So you want my young children (my fictional young children) lying awake at night dreaming of when they are old enough to cook up? No thanks. I want them knowing that drugs are illegal and dangerous. Legalising them is society giving the nod to their use. And once again, I don't buy the argument that use goes down. It doesn't. For ever report that says it does, there is one that says it goes up. I love it when people cling to 'reports'. This is a case of morality, not reports. Drugs are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. No amount of reports will change that fact, hence they are rightly illegal. Thank God.

 

It is your responsibility as a parent (with help from schools) to make your kids aware of the consequences. I'm not being personal, it's the same for every parent. If I have kids one day, I will consider it my duty to warn my kids of the effects of drugs. What I absolute would not being doing is saying to myself, "it's okay, drugs are illegal, there is no way my kids would take them"

 

What about tabacco and alcohol. Do your kids lie awake at night dreaming of the day they're old enough to go out and get hammered and smoke 40 a day? How do you feel about that? They could sniff glue or paint thinners to get high. Are you kept awake at night wondering if your kids have been on the airfix, yet you sleep soundly knowing they will never try weed because it's illegal?

 

The vibe I'm getting from you is fear. I think it's the whole problem. People are so afraid of drugs that they are blinkered to any change, not to mention the current problem we have with the legal system.

[LVSaint]

It is your responsibility as a parent (with help from schools) to make your kids aware of the consequences. I'm not being personal, it's the same for every parent. If I have kids one day, I will consider it my duty to warn my kids of the effects of drugs. What I absolute would not being doing is saying to myself, "it's okay, drugs are illegal, there is no way my kids would take them"

 

What about tabacco and alcohol. Do your kids lie awake at night dreaming of the day they're old enough to go out and get hammered and smoke 40 a day? How do you feel about that? They could sniff glue or paint thinners to get high. Are you kept awake at night wondering if your kids have been on the airfix, yet you sleep soundly knowing they will never try weed because it's illegal?

 

The vibe I'm getting from you is fear. I think it's the whole problem. People are so afraid of drugs that they are blinkered to any change, not to mention the current problem we have with the legal system.

 

good post

[dubai_phil]

I won't argue with you, drugs are a major problem in the city. Having spent a lot of time there and spoken to and knowing a lot of people there (I share in your experiences of being offered the stuff in busy tourist thoroughfares).

Drugs aside, it's still a great city.

 

Went there for Eng v Croatia in 2004 Euros'. Company had Corporate I got some spares. Took along a local Radio Station DJ (my best mate) we had a blast & did phone in reports back to the Station during the day (he did the proper stuff I did the fans-eye-view), Well I'm in the middle of a square doing the show and this tout comes up and says - You want Hash? Grass? I'm trying to push him away, station DJ back here is saying "what was that? do we have a crossed line?" then this tout pulls out a Bonzai Tree & what appeared to be a huge bar of chocolate and is shouting best quality drugs no problem....

 

The Sound Engineer killed the link - we were white faced - UAE has some of the strictest Drug laws in the world - 4 years for possession 4k pounds fine & Deportation (and possession includes being in your blood stream).

 

 

Now want to keep an anti-drug policy? Then implement the one we have here.

 

But you will have to build one hell of a lot of Jails.

Oh and the argument to a teenager that it is illegal in England? LMFAO - Most kids of that age do it BECAUSE it is illegal - it's an act of rebellion.

 

Mate of mine found his Kid (15) had stashed some grass away for a party. Mate called him down and gave him the riot act. Then proceeded to take out his stash and burn it because "It was the worst quality he had ever seen in his life) Pulled out a Joint, lit up and said - well son if you want to start then smoke proper stuff.

 

Kid was So embarrassed and suddenly it wasn't "Cool"

 

Not advocating one way or the other. I wouldn't use either approach. But for every teenager wanting to be scared that it is illegal there are 1000 more doing it BECAUSE they (and UK society) have actually lost all respect for the law and it is "cool"

[View From The Top]

Well that's your opinion - most pro legalisation posters seem to believe that it would lead to less drug use, less crime and less health issues as well as cutting off the market to the dealers.

 

As does the ardent liberal hippy chief political writer for the Torygraph.

 

Nearly spat my tea out when when I heard him on R5. It's also the view of arch tory Alan Duncan.

[Sheaf Saint]

Drugs are wrong. Evil. Drug users are sad, sad ****ers who need clinical help.

 

So can I assume that you are tee-total and have never touched a drop of alcohol in your entire life 1976_Child? Because if so then maybe it's fair for you to make that statement. If not then you are nothing but a hypocrite.

[Jonnyboy]

Aren't they hanged in Malaysia?or is that Thailand.

 

My ex-girlfriends cousin was executed in Malaysia. Unfortunate fact.

[Jonnyboy]

it is...I could not imagine walking around west quay, or gun wharf and people openly trying to sell you kilo blocks of dope, coke, crack.

 

this happened when I was in the vasco da gama (sp) shopping centre...also right next to a turnstile at the estadio jose arvaladse, outside the hard rock cafe....etc....and countless other times...

 

when there problem is so bad (like it is in lisbon) any amount of decrease will show..but it has not solved anything really...

 

Similarly would you buy a dodgy homebrew of a bloke on the corner youd never met?

If drugs were legal you'd know exactly what you were getting, it would come with dosage instructions and proper warnings.

[SuperMikey]

Some people will always think that drug use is fundamentally wrong, some people will always think that people should be allowed to do what they want. Drug usage will persist whether we like it or not, and whether it's legal or not. The safest thing to do is to take the power that control of these substances brings out of the hands of the criminals that currently control the world trade and make it safer. Nobody is advocating people getting addicted to heroin, but for those who abuse it then there would be less risk involved and more help at hand should they wish to quit.

[dune]

Of course the war on drugs have failed. They banned m-cat (the drug of the decade in the same way coke was the drug of the 00's and pills the drug of the 90's) and now new "research chemicals" are available. Yeah you'll get coke and heroin users and those who smoke draw, but for recreational users there's stuff like MPA (which is basically speed but a slightly different chemical make up). They will soon ban this and then the next replacement "research chemical" or "plant food" will pop up. The government might as well legalise all drugs (and try to make them safer) than carry on swimming against the tide.

[Jonnyboy]

My ex-girlfriends cousin was executed in Malaysia. Unfortunate fact.

 

THe extreme no tolerance right-wing approach has been taken by the US for years. Something like $110billion a year the news said, courts, prisons, military intervention etc

IT HAS NOT WORKED!

 

Time for a new approach people