View From The Top Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 after the news of S/T prices i would think it is time to unveil a signing to deflect the upset No upset as far as I can tell, just the usual mithering.
toofarnorth Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 Burnley supporters seem to rate him from the comments on this article. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/burnley/news/9062332.Burnley_not_out_of_race_for_Chelsea_midfielder_Cork/
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 Does anyone have a Burnley supporting mate that they could ask? - Is he (Jack) any good? - Is he (Jack) worth 750k? - Do they have any other players (good ones) we can buy?
Nexstar Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 Does anyone have a Burnley supporting mate that they could ask? - Is he (Jack) any good? - Is he (Jack) worth 750k? - Do they have any other players (good ones) we can buy? He is a very good. 750k is a bargain They don't rate Marvin Bartley
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 He is a very good. 750k is a bargain They don't rate Marvin Bartley Do you support Burnley?
saintquin Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 Sign Cork, and we're fast becoming the team that signs ex-players' sons. First Pulis Jr, then Chamberlain Jr, now Cork Jr. Anyone I'm missing on that list? Tim Flowers
tedmaul Posted 3 June, 2011 Posted 3 June, 2011 Swansea are after him as straight replacement for Darren Pratley, who's off to Bolton.
NickG Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 think he played RB some of the time for us, and today for U21s. What position did he play last season? sounds expensive if he is RB. Would he be a another defensive midfielder?
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 think he played RB some of the time for us, and today for U21s. What position did he play last season? sounds expensive if he is RB. Would he be a another defensive midfielder? Cork? Because when they shown the secound half line up, he was sat just infront of the back 4 ( of a diamond?)
SuperMikey Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 He's at his best in the centre of midfield, but he can play at RB as well. Would add some good versatility to our squad.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Cork? Because when they shown the secound half line up, he was sat just infront of the back 4 ( of a diamond?) He didn't play there though, he was right back today. For Burnley he has been playing central midfield, which is where I'd imagine Saints will use him.
Weston Saint Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Only on for the second half but I saw nothing from him to suggest he is better than we have.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 (edited) Only on for the second half but I saw nothing from him to suggest he is better than we have. He is a lot better than Chaplow or Hammond and a midfield of Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, Chamberlain should be pretty good at Championship level. All four are recent under 21 internationals for England and France aswell. Edited 5 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 What this thread needs is some always reliable in judging players quality, youtube videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdMhFjcjGO8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvOJ3Kqd6c&feature=related
beavis17 Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Only on for the second half but I saw nothing from him to suggest he is better than we have. To be fair I think he looked a little uncomfortable at right back today and his preferred position is central midfield. His passing is good and he has a bit of pace which Hammond certainly doesn't have so I have to disagree.
egg Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Only on for the second half but I saw nothing from him to suggest he is better than we have. Agreed. He struggled to get forward and struggled positionally. On that performance I can't see what he would add to us as a right back.
beatlesaint Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Agreed. He struggled to get forward and struggled positionally. On that performance I can't see what he would add to us as a right back. Which he wouldnt be bought in to play at to be fair.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Agreed. He struggled to get forward and struggled positionally. On that performance I can't see what he would add to us as a right back. He isn't a right back. Saints haven't made a bid for him to play right back. They have Richardson, Butterfield and Stephens for that. Cork has been playing central midfield for most of his career and is highly regarded at Championship level. He'd be Schneiderlin's central midfield partner.
egg Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 I hope that's the case. Interesting that Pearce moved Mancienne from right back to centre mid when Cork came on rather than playing both of them in more natural positions. Probably says more about Pearce than Cork to be fair though.
um pahars Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Only on for the second half but I saw nothing from him to suggest he is better than we have. Have to agree Ron, although in fairness to Cork he might prefer to be playing in the middle of the park. Didn't look at all comfortable today, but as I say maybe right back isn't his forte. Kept a particular eye on him, due to being linked and not convinced he's what we need (is he too lightweight??). Can remember in parts from "that season", but don't think it would be fair to judge anyone on their performances during that debacle. (Wasn't that impressed by much of the play today to be honest).
hypochondriac Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Have to agree Ron, although in fairness to Cork he might prefer to be playing in the middle of the park. Didn't look at all comfortable today, but as I say maybe right back isn't his forte. Kept a particular eye on him, due to being linked and not convinced he's what we need (is he too lightweight??). Can remember in parts from "that season", but don't think it would be fair to judge anyone on their performances during that debacle. (Wasn't that impressed by much of the play today to be honest). Think it is very unfair to judge someone on half a game playing out of position. He did well in the prem, was Burnley's POTS and was really good for us in the CCC at a younger age. I would be absolutely delighted if we signed him.
trousers Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Think it is very unfair to judge someone on half a game playing out of position. He did well in the prem, was Burnley's POTS and was really good for us in the CCC at a younger age. I would be absolutely delighted if we signed him. This
Rory Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 So what if he wasn't impressive today. Just who do some of you think we are? He would be an outstanding signing. How can any club in the Championship turn their noses up at a player of this calibre? Some of you with stupidly high expectations are going to be sorely disappointed this coming season, I can see it now.
egg Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 So what if he wasn't impressive today. Just who do some of you think we are? He would be an outstanding signing. How can any club in the Championship turn their noses up at a player of this calibre? Some of you with stupidly high expectations are going to be sorely disappointed this coming season, I can see it now. Don't be so precious. All I'm saying, and the others, is that he didn't set the world alight today playing half a game. Nobody has said that he looked a poor player or that he would be a bad signing. Not sure where your "your stupidly high expectations" is coming from.
um pahars Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Think it is very unfair to judge someone on half a game playing out of position. He did well in the prem, was Burnley's POTS and was really good for us in the CCC at a younger age. I would be absolutely delighted if we signed him. I thought U21 starlet Jay Rodrigues won their POTS???? I'm certainly not saying that I think he's a poor player, just that maybe he's not the one for us. I just think we need an older head (and a bit of a snarler) in the middle of the park and Cork just seemed a bit nice out there today (although of course it was a friendly). Burnley obviously rate him, but then again perhaps I'm being a bit ahead of myself when I think we should be leaving Burnley behind!!!!!!
Rebel Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Mancienne looked good as the holding midfielder for the U21s - better than at right back - but he was pretty good there as well
Rory Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Not sure where your "your stupidly high expectations" is coming from. Umm... Only on for the second half but I saw nothing from him to suggest he is better than we have. Really? I think he's a lot better than we have and has Premier League experience, which NONE of our current midfield have.
um pahars Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Umm... Really? I think he's a lot better than we have and has Premier League experience, which NONE of our current midfield have. Football's all about opinions (but Chaplow has played in the top flight for West Brom)
Turkish Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Mancienne looked good as the holding midfielder for the U21s - better than at right back - but he was pretty good there as well He's just signed for Hamburg sadly. Jack Cork is a quality player and would be a great signing. Young, hungey & talented but also had 3 or 4 years championship experience. Just the sort of player we should be looking at.
S-Clarke Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Spoke to someone who was at the game today who had a ''Source'' - apparently we didn't have a bid accepted (there was contact with chelsea and his agent) but we weren't happy paying 750k, so it's not going to happen.
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 isnt it funny how it works out...cork is getting built up as the new super midfielder and played for adkins..yet should we get any other scunny player (even if they are good players) then there would be a meltdown on how crap adkins is and how we are signing crap....without seeing much of any of these players play
S-Clarke Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 isnt it funny how it works out...cork is getting built up as the new super midfielder and played for adkins..yet should we get any other scunny player (even if they are good players) then there would be a meltdown on how crap adkins is and how we are signing crap....without seeing much of any of these players play Josh Wright would be a super singing - available on a free too. (that seems to be the market we're opperating in atm!!!!)
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 (edited) Football's all about opinions (but Chaplow has played in the top flight for West Brom) Chaplow played in 7 Premier League games in 2005, so it isn't a huge amount of experience at that level, nor is it recent. Cork played 11 Premier League games in 2010. So Cork has slightly more Premier League experience and it is 5 years more recent. Plus he is 5 years younger and a current England under 21 international. Edited 5 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Turkish Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 isnt it funny how it works out...cork is getting built up as the new super midfielder and played for adkins..yet should we get any other scunny player (even if they are good players) then there would be a meltdown on how crap adkins is and how we are signing crap....without seeing much of any of these players play We know he's a good player, he's played in the Championship for the last 4 seasons, half of one with us, he's an England U21 international and a Chelsea player at the moment. It's not quite the same as signing a player from relegated S****horpe.
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 We know he's a good player, he's played in the Championship for the last 4 seasons, half of one with us, he's an England U21 international and a Chelsea player at the moment. It's not quite the same as signing a player from relegated S****horpe. would we be equally excited about mellis coming back... look I thin cork is pretty decent but as usual, we are building him up as some sort of super midfielder......he is a good NPC CM....which im sure Morgan and lallana would be....
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 would we be equally excited about mellis coming back. You can't really compare him to Mellis. Cork has far more experience and at a higher level. Plus Mellis isn't in the current under 21 squad.
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 You can't really compare him to Mellis. Cork has far more experience and at a higher level. Plus Mellis isn't in the current under 21 squad. I know..but I think (again) we are being hasty in building the lad up to something he is not...much like when we completely write off player before he even plays..
Weston Saint Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Have to agree Ron, although in fairness to Cork he might prefer to be playing in the middle of the park. Didn't look at all comfortable today, but as I say maybe right back isn't his forte. Kept a particular eye on him, due to being linked and not convinced he's what we need (is he too lightweight??). Can remember in parts from "that season", but don't think it would be fair to judge anyone on their performances during that debacle. (Wasn't that impressed by much of the play today to be honest).Bearing in mind most of these players have Premier experience I was disappointed as well Steve.
Turkish Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 would we be equally excited about mellis coming back... look I thin cork is pretty decent but as usual, we are building him up as some sort of super midfielder......he is a good NPC CM....which im sure Morgan and lallana would be.... True, then when they realise he's not the new Platini people will be saying he is sh*te.
um pahars Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Chaplow played in 7 Premier League game in 2005, so it isn't a huge amount of experience at that level, nor is it recent. Cork played 11 Premier League games in 2010. So Cork has slightly more Premier League experience and it is 5 years more recent. Plus he is 5 years younger and a current England under 21 international. I'm not sure what you're replying to or trying to get at. I merely pointed out that Rory's claim wasn't true.
Crab Lungs Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Bearing in mind most of these players have Premier experience I was disappointed as well Steve. And people say Lallana wasn't good enough to get in that squad....
Thedelldays Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 True, then when they realise he's not the new Platini people will be saying he is sh*te. and saying we need to sign 3 more players etc...
Weston Saint Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 And people say Lallana wasn't good enough to get in that squad....I said today that if Lallana had played he would not have looked out of place and probably show some of these "Premier players" up.
um pahars Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Bearing in mind most of these players have Premier experience I was disappointed as well Steve. Whenever I go to watch any of the Youth teams I always accept that too often too many players try to do too much as if they are out to impress someone (which I suppose they are). That said, as you say with many of those on show today being at premiership clubs I was disappointed with a lot of the play today. There was some good technical skill, the odd moment where players shone, but too often it was quite bitty and at times sloppy. Maybe the fact it was a friendly had something to do with it, but with the real mccoy starting on Sunday I would have expected us to look a lot sharper.
Crab Lungs Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 I said today that if Lallana had played he would not have looked out of place and probably show some of these "Premier players" up. ...and you'd be totally right. I think people either over-estimate or under-estimate on here. In Lallana's case, yes, he's played League One football almost all of his career but like when Bale came through, you can pretty much tell that he's got the touch of a top division player. I really, really don't like it when people write our players off just because they haven't played at the top level. I mean... if Djimi Traore can play in the CL and Mikael Nilsson and Andreas Jakobsson can be capped for Sweden... I said this when the squad was announced and I stick by it; Lallana's got something that almost all of the comparable players in that squad lack. Perhaps Lansbury, in flashes, but other than that, would I want Rodwell or Muamba over Lallana? No.
egg Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Umm... Really? I think he's a lot better than we have and has Premier League experience, which NONE of our current midfield have. I offered my view of his performance today at rb, not as a cm as he did not play there!
Itchen_block4 Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Were they better than the shower of sh!te on Saturday?
Neil Posted 5 June, 2011 Posted 5 June, 2011 Were they better than the shower of sh!te on Saturday? Yes I think so. They looked comfortably better than Norway U21s. Whereas Switzerland looked comfortably better than England seniors!
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