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Do you just read bits and bobs then make up the bits in-between?

 

I said barca spent heavily on youth development and they are seeing the benefit. Why can't someone else do the same?

 

We are investing heavily in youth development and see that as the key to our future. Each time we reach an aim we will then aim higher. If we are not going to bother going for the top then why bother going for mediocre?

 

Realistic ambition right now is aim for the prem. What happens when we get there? Aim to stay there every year or aim for top half? What then? You can't seriously think any club only ever dreams of being somewhere in the middle while everyone around them is pushing for the top?

 

I read everything you've written. It's wall to wall bol locks. Barcelona can keep their players, we can't. And yes, we get to the premier. Fine. Doesn't mean we'll end up on some non stop spiral upwards. This idea that we'll just finish tenth, then eighth then fifth then third. It's laughable bull cr ap. It doesn't work like that for clubs our size. Finishing tenth ten years running would be a breathtaking achievement for a club our size. Do you seriously think stoke are aiming for fourth next season? Or wba? Or even villa or everton. At least two thirds of the premier league aren't 'pushing for the top' as you claim. Plan A is stay up for club after club after club. Grow up you impatient child.

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I read everything you've written. It's wall to wall bol locks. Barcelona can keep their players, we can't. And yes, we get to the premier. Fine. Doesn't mean we'll end up on some non stop spiral upwards. This idea that we'll just finish tenth, then eighth then fifth then third. It's laughable bull cr ap. It doesn't work like that for clubs our size. Finishing tenth ten years running would be a breathtaking achievement for a club our size. Do you seriously think stoke are aiming for fourth next season? Or wba? Or even villa or everton. At least two thirds of the premier league aren't 'pushing for the top' as you claim. Plan A is stay up for club after club after club. Grow up you impatient child.

 

Impatient? Christ you really are a numpty. You post more crap time after time slating an opinion in some cyber look at me trying to get the better of someone on the internet kind of thing. You have basically said the same as what I have said but tried to suggest I am talking bol locks. Its laughable to think you are actually argueing against my posts.

 

Keep em coming sunshine

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Alex has a choice. Stay and play football every week, go and get splinters up your arse.

 

Or play football for 15k a week with the risk of breaking a leg which could end your career or earn 55k a week with a sign on fee of 1m and sitting on a wooden bench.

 

No brainer really as his loyalty is ****!

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Alex has a choice. Stay and play football every week, go and get splinters up your arse.

 

He would probably at least double his basic pay... At least. Let alone signing on fees, bonuses, image rights, living in London, working with some amazing players etc

 

And with said move, set himself up for life no matter what all at the age of 17

 

Yes.. Tough choice

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He would probably at least double his basic pay... At least. Let alone signing on fees, bonuses, image rights, living in London, working with some amazing players etc

 

And with said move, set himself up for life no matter what all at the age of 17

 

Yes.. Tough choice

 

I love your new avatar :) And yes, the right choice much as we all hate to say it is to go join Arsenal, it's only older footballers who've earned their nest egg who really seem to desire to play week in and week out. However, if we offer him a better contract to induce him to stay then everybody wins.

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He would probably at least double his basic pay... At least. Let alone signing on fees, bonuses, image rights, living in London, working with some amazing players etc

 

And with said move, set himself up for life no matter what all at the age of 17

 

Yes.. Tough choice

 

I would think that he would increase his pay to what it is now, but there is a deal on the table alegedly which could be as much as Arsenal would offer now. If Alex wants to tap into the mega bucks a top 4 club could offer he would surley need to prove himself worthy of getting into their 1st team?

 

He might think he is ready and if Arsenal stump up somewhere in the region of £10m then I would guess it would not be to see him sit in the reserves.

 

Thats the thing though, Arsenal want to buy him on the cheap now when they can pay low wages and if he reaches his potential then they would have saved themselves a fair chunk of cash. Alex would still need to reach his potential to dip into that mega bucks deal but would already be in the right team to do so. I bet Jack Cork thought he was on route to the mega bucks contract at Chelsea when he was 17 to.

 

I think there are so many variables in this that loads of situations are morally right when broken down. But unless someone has a crystal ball and can see any particular outcome its impossible to know what the right thing to do is.

 

Personally I think he should do a season in the championship then go into the prem. Any deal he might get with us or anyone else should include either a loan to a championship club or a release clause if a prem club comes knocking or something at the end of next season.

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Personally I think he should do a season in the championship then go into the prem. Any deal he might get with us or anyone else should include either a loan to a championship club or a release clause if a prem club comes knocking or something at the end of next season.

 

That's your opinion, but ultimately completely irrelevant as it's what Chamberlain wants that is driving this.

 

He has stated that he wants to emulate Walcott and Bale. Both of them moved to big clubs. Neither of them were loaned out at any stage. Both of them took a while to break through into the side to the first team. Both have made a significant impact since they did.

 

That is EXACTLY what Chamberlain sees himself doing.

 

His problem here is that he is not as in in-demand as Bale and Walcott were; tehre was a clamour to get their signatures so we could get a great deal for them. That's not happening right now, so Chamberlain is trying to invigorate interest himself. I think the price tag is putting a lot of clubs off, and there is a huge disparity between what he is worth to another club to buy him and the potential value he could be to us in a year or two.

 

I think it would be best for Saints if he stayed for another year, but not necessarily for the player if he can engineer a move to a club of his choice.

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Or play football for 15k a week with the risk of breaking a leg which could end your career or earn 55k a week with a sign on fee of 1m and sitting on a wooden bench.

 

The subs at Arsenal sit on heated padded seats theses days !

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That's your opinion, but ultimately completely irrelevant as it's what Chamberlain wants that is driving this.

 

He has stated that he wants to emulate Walcott and Bale. Both of them moved to big clubs. Neither of them were loaned out at any stage. Both of them took a while to break through into the side to the first team. Both have made a significant impact since they did.

 

That is EXACTLY what Chamberlain sees himself doing.

 

His problem here is that he is not as in in-demand as Bale and Walcott were; tehre was a clamour to get their signatures so we could get a great deal for them. That's not happening right now, so Chamberlain is trying to invigorate interest himself. I think the price tag is putting a lot of clubs off, and there is a huge disparity between what he is worth to another club to buy him and the potential value he could be to us in a year or two.

 

I think it would be best for Saints if he stayed for another year, but not necessarily for the player if he can engineer a move to a club of his choice.

 

I agree completly. It would be best for him IMO to get a year at a higher level to what he has played and the jump to Arsenal would be good for him if it included some time in the Championship somewhere. Theo and Bale both had a stint in the championship although Theo could have probably done with some more. Its hard to say if missing that stint would harm his potential or not though so from his point of view securing a better deal at somewhere like Arsenal probably seems like the best thing to do.

 

Its easy to sit here and see what we think is the best but from his position taking advice from those close to him its easy to understand why he wants to jump ship.

 

Had our last season been in the Championship and he created as much of a fuss then Arsenal would be much more willing to stump up the cash. Someone at the end of the day will have to make a stand. Either Arsenal making the gamble or us making him stay or him working hard or having a sulk.

 

He seems like what ever way it all goes he will put the right effort in so I guess a sulk will be out of the options. Head down and work hard from now on is my guess and let Arsenal or who ever make their move.

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how come Ox isn't in the U20 England squad for the World Cup of that age group then?

 

Must have p*ssed him off a bit, the Euro U21 you could put down to his injury last season but I'd have thought he was a shoe-in for the U20s.

 

Because England announced that they wouldn't call up players to more than one squad this summer. Alex played for the under 19's in the Euro qualifying games. Also, had he played in the under 20 World Cup, he would have missed the start of the season for Saints.

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  • 2 weeks later...
Not interested in any rumours or paper reports regarding Chamberlain anymore. When it's on the OS, he's gone. Think yesterday showed we can handle our own without him.

 

We'll miss him if he goes, but he's not pivotal to the way we play - that's a certain Mr Lallana. If we end up getting a decent lump sum for the kid, and are able to reinvest in someone like Maynard or Rodriquez, and assuming we sign someone in the position chambo occupied, it may well make us stronger.

 

Time will tell though, we've heard this ''he's signed'' far too many times now.

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If I were Mark Chamberlain I'd be more worried about Wenger's apparent obsession with grooming young boys. Instead of allowing my son to sign for him. Rather than any money I'd stand to pocket from any deal made. I guess its all about priorities. He obviously cares more about his own financial gain than his son playing regular first team football. If Mark always wanted his son to play for Arsenal and Alex was always clearly good enough, then why didn't he just get him in to Arsenal's youth team to begin with? Why brother with us at all? Its anoying to think Arsenal can still bully us about with the price. The papers today are saying only 7million up front I'd tell to go f themselves. Why do these players think Wenger is going to improve them so much more than anyone else? I know Arsenal are known for producing young teams playing decent football but its obviously not that great as its not won them anything for some time. Walcott left because he felt he become the next Henry. Is he really anywhere neat that now? So ox is leaving thinking he'll become the next Walcott, well good luck to him but maybe he should be aiming a little higher if the last season for Walcott's so called development is anything to go by.

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Perhaps this explains why we are "in the market" with huge bids according to that other thread

 

7 mil cash 5 mil add ons. We were holding out for a 40% sell on fee. Deal to be done this week

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8687344/Arsenal-to-complete-12-million-signing-of-Alex-Oxlade-Chamberlain-from-Southampton.html

 

Telegraph

 

Negotiations for Chamberlain, who will be 18 next Monday, have been protracted, with Southampton understood to have been holding out for a sell-on fee of around 40 per cent. However, further talks have resulted in agreement being neared on a deal that would involve Arsenal paying around £7 million up front and then a further £5 million dependent on various performance-related add-ons.

 

Barring any late hitch between Arsenal and Southampton, the deal should be completed this week, with personal terms expected to be a formality.

 

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Somehow this doesn't feel as bad as when Walcott left! Still disagree with being an academy for the big clubs - but hopefully this will be our last player to go because he wants to win something! Not convinced it is a good move for either club - but I guess if he wants to go then let him! Nothing must disrupt the harmaony that is now Southampton FC.

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Somehow this doesn't feel as bad as when Walcott left! Still disagree with being an academy for the big clubs - but hopefully this will be our last player to go because he wants to win something! Not convinced it is a good move for either club - but I guess if he wants to go then let him! Nothing must disrupt the harmaony that is now Southampton FC.

 

All he will win for 3-4 years is the Carling Cup.

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Completely agree. Even more so after the display at the weekend.

 

Infact it will be nice not to have the constant distraction and endless media questions

 

Good point. The situation as it stands, if it becomes any more protracted, has the potential to interfere with the team spirit that we all saw on Saturday. This is definitely not the same as the Walcott situation. Then, we were looking to hold on to anyone we could. Today, we are looking at bringing new blood in if they can be beneficial.

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Somehow this doesn't feel as bad as when Walcott left! Still disagree with being an academy for the big clubs - but hopefully this will be our last player to go because he wants to win something! Not convinced it is a good move for either club - but I guess if he wants to go then let him! Nothing must disrupt the harmaony that is now Southampton FC.

 

Excellent point.

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Somehow this doesn't feel as bad as when Walcott left! Still disagree with being an academy for the big clubs - but hopefully this will be our last player to go because he wants to win something! Not convinced it is a good move for either club - but I guess if he wants to go then let him! Nothing must disrupt the harmaony that is now Southampton FC.

The difference is that this time it seems as though it is being done on our terms, and is not being done just to bring much needed money into the club. This does seem like it`s his dad pushing for the move though which is very sad. All he can see is pound signs in his eyes. We all know that it would be best for the lad if he had at least another season of development at SMS.

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Jeremy Wilson has said similar before. Boy who cried wolf too many times...

 

Disagree - think Wilson's coverage has been pretty spot on. Can't think him of crying wolf too many times. After all, he's the one who broke the story about binning faxes etc. Think you need to get your facts straight.

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watching on Saturday it must be obvious to him that he could be a major star in this league and with the squad we have assembled he would shine.

I wish him well, especially as the deal sounds good for us, but it doesn't seem a shrewd career move.

He may prove us wrong and push his way straight into the first team, but I think he's more likely to sit on a bench while his old mates rip up the championship.

And Cortese's firm stance against big clubs window-shopping and the performance against Leeds has put a few million on the pricetag of the likes of Lallana.

No longer are we a pushover for insulting bidders.

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Get him off at the next bus stop. Lets stop all the speculation, get rid and move on. De Ridder will do the job quite nicely thank you. More money to spend on strengthening an already good squad. Saturday's performance more than showed what the squad without Chambo can do.

 

I can't agree with that sentiment entirely. It would be nice to keep him, but if the lad wants to go, then I wish him well. I think he has some family issues, which is tough on a kid. I'm just happy that if he goes, we get decent cash. If he stays, we keep a great prospect. Either way, we will have a good squad.

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Shame - but if we're going to get rid, we're better to get rid as soon as possible so we can use the cash to strengthen elsewhere.

 

Our performance on Saturday showed we don't need him, it'd be nice if he stayed as he's a great player, but £12 million is an awful lot of money for a 17 year old that's only played in League one.

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We'll miss him if he goes, but he's not pivotal to the way we play - that's a certain Mr Lallana.
I disagree with that. I think he will be pivotal this season if he stays. Having that pace and threat down the right stretches teams and opens up the left. Without that pace we may struggle to open teams up throughout the season.
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Get him off at the next bus stop. Lets stop all the speculation, get rid and move on. De Ridder will do the job quite nicely thank you. More money to spend on strengthening an already good squad. Saturday's performance more than showed what the squad without Chambo can do.

 

Would have preferred to keep him to be honest. Not because of his ability as such - I think De Ridder is pretty much as effective - but because this is not the way the Academy vision is supposed to work...we're supposed to keep hold of our best players to play in the 1st team. I guess it was a case of too soon for Chamberlain - we'll have to wait for some years before we're even close to being able to compete with the qudos of playing for the likes of Arse, Manure or Chelski etc. again and thus keep our best youngsters.

 

It makes me annoyed though that a lad of 17 can court those clubs interest when he's basically used our Academy system to create his career. At the risk of repeating myself, the FA/EUFA/FIFA should make a ruling that all Academy kids must stay with their host club until they are at least 21 and that no approach is made before then. Far more fairer and will ensure the kid's head is not turned.

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Get him off at the next bus stop. Lets stop all the speculation, get rid and move on. De Ridder will do the job quite nicely thank you. More money to spend on strengthening an already good squad. Saturday's performance more than showed what the squad without Chambo can do.

 

He's a great talent, no doubt about it BUT we didnt miss him one bit at the end of last season with the run in we had, we didnt miss him Saturday, and as has already been stated on here he is not pivotal to the way we play.

 

De Ridder has not come here to warm the bench, we would not pay "a significant fee" as the OS worded it for him to be a reserve.

 

I think the Chamberlain's are missing a significant point or two in their obsession to make a few quid. One is that he hasn't played above League One standard yet and secondly by going to Arsenal he will be playing in the reserves every week, with maybe a bit part in the League Cup games. His development would be better served playing in the Championship every week and coming up against better defenders than he has been used to.

 

But thats up to them, if Daddy wants him to go and has convinced Alex that he should then fine, thanks and good luck son. But at least NC has ensured we get a good deal out of this and the money, I am convinced, will go straight back into new signings either now, in January or next close season.

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I disagree with that. I think he will be pivotal this season if he stays. Having that pace and threat down the right stretches teams and opens up the left. Without that pace we may struggle to open teams up throughout the season.

 

Don't disagree with what you say at all, but I feel that as long as we replace the pace he has we still have the ability to open teams up. Lallana is the heartbeat of this team and losing him would be more costly to our entire game, we're kind of build around him.

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I and a few other people saw Chamberlain in the Chapel end car park about twenty minutes after the game on Saturday. A woman asked him if he was staying, to which he replied 'I don't know yet' then a guy said 'I can't blame you for going' to which he replied 'thanks', I then said to him, 'I hope we see you in a Saints shirt again soon' and didn't get a reply from him. Make of that what you will. I think I would rather see a Saints team this season with him in it, than to have a few more million just sitting in a bank, having not been able to find an even half decent replacement and think his development is better served with us playing a match every week, than with Wenger only giving him a game once a month.

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I disagree with that. I think he will be pivotal this season if he stays. Having that pace and threat down the right stretches teams and opens up the left. Without that pace we may struggle to open teams up throughout the season.

 

Agree- with Lambert dropping deep, we need as many runners and players capable of breaking as possible. There were times on Saturday where there was space to exploit down the right but we just didn't have the pace. Pace is probably the one thing we miss at the moment. Only seen De Ridder for 30 mins, so too early to judge how quick he is.

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