Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 There really should be a MLG BBcode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Its hard to predict how the relegated teams will do, even with the parachute payments, as they will all lose players and have to cut wages. West Ham and Brum both seem to have serious debt problems while Blackpool will be badly affected by the loss of Charlie Adam. As for Saints, it does look as if we won't be following the Norwich example of rebuilding a side for the NpC but will be relying on the promotion squad plus maybe 1 or 2 additions. If that is the plan, it seems reasonable to suppose that NA has told NC that the present team is almost good enough to compete at the top of the table with just a small tweak. If so, I hope they have plan B, which could be to make a reassessment after the first few results, and if it looks like more quality is needed to get out into the transfer market before the Sept transfer window closes. why? Are we being slow in signing??!! I think we are stronger than Norwich were this time last year and they added mainly lower league players - but played very well as a team. Hard to compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Early prediction (of course, this could all change with manager departures, players joining/leaving etc, promotions/relegations) West Ham Leicester City -------------- Leeds Utd Nottm Forest Southampton Birmingham -------------- Cardiff City Reading Middlesbrough Crystal Palace Bristol City Watford Huddersfield Town Hull City Ipswich Town Blackpool Millwall Brighton & HA Burnley Portsmouth Coventry City ------------- Derby County Doncaster Barnsley Saints v Leeds playoff final :-o (3-2) reckon West Ham will struggle and be towards the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 And as for my prediction for the Championship table (assuming Swansea and Huddersfield go up, as I think is most likely) : Birmingham Leicester City ----------------------- Ipswich Town West Ham Nottingham Forest Blackpool ----------------------- Reading Middlesborough Cardiff City Leeds United Burnley Southampton Bristol City Hull City Watford Derby County Millwall Brighton & Hove Albion Crystal Palace Huddersfield Town Barnsley ----------------------- Coventry City P*rtsmouth Doncaster Rovers Automatic I think Birmingham will retain a lot of their squad (some of their bigger players may leave), mainly because they will have money to throw at them to keep them around with their parachute payments and rich owners. Leicester will spend big in the summer and bring in some good players, and with Sven at the helm I reckon they will do well. Play-offs Ipswich will also spend big, and Paul Jewell is a decent manager at this level. They might lose some young players like Wickham, but I reckon they'll finish strongly and snatch 3rd place on the last day. West Ham are in massive financial poo, but they have good young players coming through like Sears, Tomkins, Hines, Nouble etc who will use this season to grow as players. The most important thing for them to do now is to get an experienced manager in who knows what he's doing in the Championship and who can also secure their safety in the Premiership should they go up through the play-offs. Nottingham Forest always seem to be around the play-offs, and I don't think next year will be any different - providing they hang onto Billy Davies. They need 1 or 2 Prem quality signings to bolster their squad (particularly up front) in order to compete with the big teams coming down from the Prem. Blackpool will inevitably lose some key players over the summer, but the money from player sales, their parachute payments and the fact that their owners were very shrewd in the money they spent this season will mean that they will have enough in the bank to bring in a few players good enough to finish in the play-offs. If Charlie Adam goes off to Liverpool or Man Utd (as touted) then they'll get a few good young players on loan from either club as well as a tasty sum. Relegation Coventry are penny-pinching at the moment, and their best player this season (Marlon King) is off as his contract is up and Cov aren't willing to pay him the wages he's wanting. Aside from a few players, their squad is actually pretty poor. A lack of spending will be their downfall imo. We all know about the troubles that P*mpey are going to face next season with numerous players leaving the club and their squad already threadbare as it is. They don't have enough cash to bring in a whole new squad (which is basically what they need to do), and the ageing players in their team - the likes of Kanu - won't be able to cope with a whole season of getting battered. My view is that we'll send them down when we play them at Nottarf Krap in late-April. Doncaster might be an odd choice in some people's views to finish last, but I predict turmoil in their future. Without Sean O'Driscoll, they're a pretty poor team. They spent most of their free cash last summer by bringing in Billy Sharp - who I don't think they'll hang onto for much longer - for £1.1m. The vultures are already circling around the juiciest bits of their team (Coppinger, Stock and Sharp are wanted by numerous clubs) and their inability to replace them with other players of that quality due to a lack of financial clout will ultimately spell doom for them I think. I reckon O'Driscoll will be poached by another Championship club before January - rumour has it that Cardiff are looking at him as Dave Jones' future at the club looks precarious at the moment. And as for Saints... I think the Championship will be a lot stronger next year than people think it will be. Some big teams have missed out on the play-offs this year, some bigger ones have lost in the play-offs and that's not even mentioning the fact that the relegated Prem teams will have pockets stuffed with cash in parachute payments. I don't think many people would argue with a finish of 12th, although plenty of people are talking about automatic and play-offs, so we may have a few disappointed fans come this time next year. I think we'll spend wisely in the summer on players who can progress with the club (not on the likes of Owen) and push for promotion the year after. We have a 5-year plan which takes into account a season to consolidate our position in the Championship and then push for promotion. The important thing is to keep our heads out of the clouds and our feet on the ground. There will be 23 other teams in the division wanting this just as much as we do. Trust in the players, trust in the management and trust in the club. Whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Wouldn't it be great if a table actually ended up alphabetically correct? I wonder if it has ever happened? West Ham, Wolves and Wigan are trying their hardest in the Premier League this season, but the rest of them haven't really done their bit. Probably not. The odds of it happening are 1 in 620,448,401,733,239,439,360,000 (About the same odds as Cheats FC finishing first). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Wouldn't it be great if a table actually ended up alphabetically correct? I wonder if it has ever happened? West Ham, Wolves and Wigan are trying their hardest in the Premier League this season, but the rest of them haven't really done their bit. Nearly happened in the A-League this year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 West Ham are £110m in debt. Players will be leaving, parachute payment is £16m. They do not have a manager. Their board seem to want to self destruct which will hamper attracting a good manager (as will lack of money for salary or players) and board seem to want to continually undermine managers - Zola and Grant. Their fans hate their owners - and players! Don't understand predictions of doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I am of the belief West Ham and Brum will struggle next season once the vultures have ripped them apart. Yes I think you are right especially Birmingham which has large debts according to Radio Five Live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 (edited) [MLG] According to the article that The9 posted, the odds of only 2 teams finishing behind each other in alphabetical order are 380/1. In a league of 20, the odds are 2,432,902,008,176,640,000/1 of an alphabetical finish. In a league of 24 (such as the Championship), they would be even higher. [/MLG] That needs some rewording for clarification, what it says is that the odds of the first two teams alphabetically finishing in the first two places in alphabetical order are 380/1, in a league of 20. Using A-B-C-D etc for team names, for clarity, if my maths is right it's the 1/20 chance of team A coming first, multiplied by the 1/19 chance of team B coming second when team A is first, and so on for Team C in third (1/18 ), D in 4th (1/17), E etc until you get to Team S in 19th (1/2 chance of coming 19th) and T in 20th, where the chances are 1/1, aka "1", because they're the only team left and that has to happen. They way you've worded it implies that if there are only two teams called A and B in a league the chances of them finishing A then B are 380/1, which clearly isn't true as there are only two possible outcomes in that league table. Hey, 12 years since I passed my Statistical Analyst exams, never used it even once, and I can still remember basic principles of Probability, result ! Edited 23 May, 2011 by The9 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Anyone else bricking it about the championship now? I was very confident about our chances this season in the heady after glow of promotion but now... We have Blackpool who have the parachute and possible Europe funds to compete with, the Hammers with very astute businessmen in charge, Brum who are laways serious contenders, the play off loser of this year is between two very good teams, the foxes are up there and will be looking to build on the last two seasons, Milwall have also done very well, Forest will be there or there abouts and Leeds Derby and even Brighton in their new stadium to contend with. Suddenly I'm not feeling all that confident but hopefully a good summer and pre season with our opposition losing key players is to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 (edited) Anyone else bricking it about the championship now? I was very confident about our chances this season in the heady after glow of promotion but now... We have Blackpool who have the parachute and possible Europe funds to compete with, the Hammers with very astute businessmen in charge, Brum who are laways serious contenders, the play off loser of this year is between two very good teams, the foxes are up there and will be looking to build on the last two seasons, Milwall have also done very well, Forest will be there or there abouts and Leeds Derby and even Brighton in their new stadium to contend with. Suddenly I'm not feeling all that confident but hopefully a good summer and pre season with our opposition losing key players is to follow I'm not bricking it, i'm bloody looking forward to it. No more mid-week trips to daggenham and redbridge/yeovil/rochdale and instead trips to West Ham, Forest, Ipswich (possibly Reading) etc. The champinship is going to be an amazing league to be involved in next year, it's so strong. You could probably say that 75% of the leauge fancy themsevles with a top 6 chance. Edited 23 May, 2011 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acersaint Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I think we will hold our own next season. Is there another team in the championship that can match our infrastructure and financial muscle. We are on an upward curve. Brum Blackpool hammers are all on downward spiral. I think our attendances at home next season will be close to the upper 20k. It's all positive and the momentum will keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 The champinship is going to be an amazing league to be involved in next year, it's so strong. was thinking that myself...it appears (on paper) the strongest for a long time...I think we would do bloody well to get a top 10 finish..... I fancy boro to go up top 2.......dont know why, I guess mowbray has settled in and they started to show that towards the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 was thinking that myself...it appears (on paper) the strongest for a long time...I think we would do bloody well to get a top 10 finish..... I fancy boro to go up top 2.......dont know why, I guess mowbray has settled in and they started to show that towards the end of the season I thought that about Boro, but then I read about their financial situation and the players that will have to leave in the summer. Top 6 challengers I reckon, but not top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I thought that about Boro, but then I read about their financial situation and the players that will have to leave in the summer. Top 6 challengers I reckon, but not top 2. gibson has always looked after them...cant see that changing now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 1st Leeds 2nd Ipswich ------------------- 3rd Burnley 4th Leicester 5th Saints 6th Birmingham ------------------- 7th Blackpool 8th Middlesborough 9th Hull 10th Cardiff 11th Blackpool 12th Reading 13th Watford 14th Crystal Palace 15th West Ham 16th Nottingham Forest 17th Huddersfield 18th Coventry 19th Doncaster 20th Brighton&HA 21st Bristol City ------------------ 22nd Portsmouth 23rd Derby 24th Barnsley Assuming Swansea and Hudds win their respective play-offs. I can see West Ham struggling, as well as Forest being surprisingly poor after a fe seasons skirting with the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 West Ham Southampton ----------------------- Nottingham Forest West Ham Leeds United Leicester City ----------------------- Millwall Cardiff City Reading Watford Blackpool Brighton & Hove Albion Middlesborough Hull City Burnley Bristol City Coventry City Ipswich Town Barnsley Huddersfield Town Derby County ----------------------- P*rtsmouth Doncaster Rovers Crystal Palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 so difficult to see us finishing above the likes of west ham, forest, leeds, cardiff, reading and birmingham. boro, leicester, burnley and blackpool will also be tough (but do-able). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I think people are going to get a shock next season with many predicting promotion...its going to be tougher than many think imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Leicester Birmingham ---------------- Blackpool Middlesborough Forest Southampton ---------------- Reading Burnley Leeds Cardiff West Ham Hull City Millwall Ipswich Town Bristol City Watford Crystal Palace Brighton & Hove Albion Huddersfield Town Coventry City Pompey ----------------------- Derby County Barnsley Doncaster Rovers Something like that. Top 10 could be of any order really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 (edited) I just hope we don't get idiots calling for change if we're not challenging next season, that would really be a bonus if I'm honest. There's no harm in going out and trying to get promoted but it's not a ''must'' for next year at all and the last thing we need is expectations raised to stupid levels before the seasons even started! Mid-table is fine, anything else is a bonus. Edited 23 May, 2011 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark`` Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 For saints, i think play-offs is a must or the season will be a disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 West Ham Southampton ----------------------- Nottingham Forest West Ham Leeds United Leicester City ----------------------- It'd be some achievement if West Ham won the play-offs as well as getting automatic promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 For saints, i think play-offs is a must or the season will be a disappointment christ, really..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 For saints, i think play-offs is a must or the season will be a disappointment This is what i mean, expectations are being raised to stupid levels. Mid-table is fine for next year. I'm not saying that's all we strive for, but it's not a faluire if we don't get promotion or top 6 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 For saints, i think play-offs is a must or the season will be a disappointment Wouldn't call it a disappointment, but certainly I think with our financial muscle that play-offs should be our aim. I'm sure Cortese will want top 6, in fact I seem to remember Pardew saying something about aiming for promotion from league 1 followed immediately by a play-off challenge in the NPC being his/NC/s aim. I may be wrong about that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Wouldn't call it a disappointment, but certainly I think with our financial muscle that play-offs should be our aim. I'm sure Cortese will want top 6, in fact I seem to remember Pardew saying something about aiming for promotion from league 1 followed immediately by a play-off challenge in the NPC being his/NC/s aim. I may be wrong about that though. financial muscle..? which is what exactly..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 financial muscle..? which is what exactly..? I mean... our financial situation... which is superior... to the majority of other NPC clubs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Really tough league. Expectations in order of importance 1 Keep out of the relegation zone 2 Finish above pompey 3 Finish midtable Any more and there is a good chance that we will be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I will be delighted with top half and above the skates. Don't see us pushing for promotion, there will be far, far stronger teams than us in that league next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Allardyce is in talks with West Ham apparantly, which would instantly make them more competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 financial muscle..? which is what exactly..? Yes I would like to know that too Perhaps there was an amount of money which was spent to get out of League 1 and there will be more to get out of the Championship. Possibly we will get transfer money in for OXO and Puncheon which maybe spent on new players. However we dont seem to have got rid of many of the first team squad so if we got in another four or five it would be a really large one. Without knowing what players will be in Saints shirts next season it is difficult at the moment to guess where we will finish next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Saints will achieve automatic promotion, most probably 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 so difficult to see us finishing above the likes of west ham, forest, leeds, cardiff, reading and birmingham. boro, leicester, burnley and blackpool will also be tough (but do-able). Possibly. But for the first time in years it's nice to be positive. I'll still go for automatic promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusaldo Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I think a finish between 7th - 14th would be a good season. Anything above is a bonus, anything below would be disapointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Why would west ham be above us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I want Saints to win the league. I don't want to go up as runners up, or through the play offs, I want that "we've just won the league" realisation moment. Assuming the long term plan is achieved and we are a top half of the prem table team for years to come this could be the last chance that we have to actually WIN the league. We could spend another 27 years of not winning the league in the prem as I can't ever seeing us breaking into the top teams. So it's champions or nothing for me. As for the others, Leeds, 'Borough and maybe Reading could be strong. I don't see the relegated teams doing well, or for that matter Brighton or Hudds/Posh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Why would west ham be above us Because they'll still have a pretty decent team, even after the mass exit of their ''big names'. The likes of Jack Collinson, Mark Noble, Frank Nouble, Hines, Sears, Stanislass, Tomkins etc (sp?) will probably stay and that's a pretty decent spine to start with of young players. They won't struggle as much as people are saying, they'd be quite a decent championship team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Why would west ham be above us because no one rarely goes into the predicted meltdown in their first season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I want Saints to win the league. I don't want to go up as runners up, or through the play offs, I want that "we've just won the league" realisation moment. Assuming the long term plan is achieved and we are a top half of the prem table team for years to come this could be the last chance that we have to actually WIN the league. We could spend another 27 years of not winning the league in the prem as I can't ever seeing us breaking into the top teams. So it's champions or nothing for me. As for the others, Leeds, 'Borough and maybe Reading could be strong. I don't see the relegated teams doing well, or for that matter Brighton or Hudds/Posh. Seriously? We have a 5 year plan to get back to the PL. 2 years of that plan are now up. So we have 3 years to get to the premiership, if we don't do it this year we'll do it in the next 2 years. I dont get why people are putting so much on next season, it's really a bonus if we get anything from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Seriously? We have a 5 year plan to get back to the PL. 2 years of that plan are now up. So we have 3 years to get to the premiership, if we don't do it this year we'll do it in the next 2 years. I dont get why people are putting so much on next season, it's really a bonus if we get anything from it. The quicker it happens the less chance of the squad being broken up. For example, if Chamberlain stays this season, if Saints don't go up he'll move, if Saints do go up there is a reasonable chance he could stay. No point wasting the momentum Saints are on, may as well make good use of it and don't merely consolidate when they could quite easily push on ala Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 The quicker it happens the less chance of the squad being broken up. For example, if Chamberlain stays this season, if Saints don't go up he'll move, if Saints do go up there is a reasonable chance he could stay. True, I know what you're getting at - but I think it's asking for trouble if we start getting expecations of winning the league.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Probably not. The odds of it happening are 1 in 620,448,401,733,239,439,360,000 (About the same odds as Cheats FC finishing first). Which is what I said above. Not my fault if folk don't understand scientific notation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Seriously? We have a 5 year plan to get back to the PL. 2 years of that plan are now up. So we have 3 years to get to the premiership, if we don't do it this year we'll do it in the next 2 years. I dont get why people are putting so much on next season, it's really a bonus if we get anything from it. I meant that there are two acceptable outcomes for me next year, either go up as champions or not go up at all, I don't mind if we finish 15th. I've never seen the Saints win the league, if we go up via another means, with our setup, we could have another prolonged stay in the Prem with no realistic chance of winning the league. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned, but if it's in 2 years then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I think a finish between 7th - 14th would be a good season. Anything above is a bonus, anything below would be disapointing. This. People are getting their expectations way too high based on what Norwich achieved this season. I'm confident that if we finished between 7th-14th we would be in a good position to strengthen over the next summer and push for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 Norwich has shown def possible and achievable - doesn't mean it is likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I meant that there are two acceptable outcomes for me next year, either go up as champions or not go up at all, I don't mind if we finish 15th. I've never seen the Saints win the league, if we go up via another means, with our setup, we could have another prolonged stay in the Prem with no realistic chance of winning the league. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned, but if it's in 2 years then so be it. Ah ok sorry - In that case, I see where you're coming from. I thought I'd see us win a league this year, but it wasn't to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I meant that there are two acceptable outcomes for me next year, either go up as champions or not go up at all, I don't mind if we finish 15th. I've never seen the Saints win the league, if we go up via another means, with our setup, we could have another prolonged stay in the Prem with no realistic chance of winning the league. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned, but if it's in 2 years then so be it. So given the choice of 2nd or 15th, you'd choose 15th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 I mean... our financial situation... which is superior... to the majority of other NPC clubs.... We talk about the clubs coming down with parachute payments, but 2 of the 3 (brum & WH) have large debts and wage commitments they may have problems with. We all know about Pimpley whose debts may not be as high as WH's but lack - well, everything really - including the crowds. Of the rest we must compare well for crowds and we no longer have the stadium mortgage to pay. I'm really undecided as to how well we'll do, and I haven't watched any Championship football, but on the basis that it's better in life to be optimistic I'll go for play-offs and I assume we'll have been _aiming_ for automatic. Better not tell Brighton that, though, or we'll never hear the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 May, 2011 Share Posted 23 May, 2011 With the current squad I think we'd finnish 14th. With 7 or 8 good players signed 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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