Paranormal Experiences

[Lighthouse]

Mediums, psychics, seances etc are all complete bull. It's pretty much common, there have even been numerous books, documentaries etc. on how it's done. Yet for some reason people still flock to circus shows by con artist like Derek Accorah and Psychic Sally. I know some people suffer very badly from the loss of a loved one, but it doesn't excuse them from complete idiocy. You might as well ask a tin of beans if you're loved one's are at peace.

 

As for ghosts. There's probably something in it, by way of science we cannot yet explain. Maybe when people die suddenly, violently and/or unexpectedly there is some form of weird energy released.

[Matthew Le God]

As for ghosts. There's probably something in it, by way of science we cannot yet explain.

 

Based on what? A hunch? Or some real evidence?

 

Maybe when people die suddenly, violently and/or unexpectedly there is some form of weird energy released.

 

Oh ffs.

 

"wierd energy released"

 

How does this weird energy know it was a "sudden, violent or unexpectant" death?

[moon monkey]

There are no such things as ghosts, end of discussion

[dubai_phil]

I know someone who can see auras. He is very perceptive and can even tell if someone is sick based just on seeing their aura, and can even make a diagnosis (of sorts). He has been very accurate in the past and I have absolutely no doubt that he is genuine, even though I have an in-built scepticism for these things.

 

I actually think that many people can at least "sense" an Aura, some are aware as I said when someone walks into a room. I also think that some (maybe the more negative introverted or inward looking types don't notice.

 

I suppose the simplest example I could give would be I saw Charles & Diana unexpectedly donkeys years ago at Wembley Arean, they literally walked right past me. Thing was a door opened, heads turned and it was her, everyone saw her, it was only after she walked past that I noticed the short guy next to her.

 

The aura as a healing tool is something that you hear a lot about. Some people as you mentioned can see it "more clearly" and when illness exosts people say it does affect it. Now that doesn't mean I believe in faith healing, but that people can sense an illness and advie you to do something about it (stories of Dogs sensing Cancer and the like).

 

So in an experience matter and also in "lots of Empirical evidence" these "abilities" and strong Auras exist in some but not in all. Unlike the God debate there is at least a line of indications that there are things of the mind that we don't understand (future hard wired up to Electronics etc is getting nearer) so there is "more of a possibility" that these forces could either cause what appears to be paranormal activity OR could be energies that can be released in some circumstances.

 

Uri Gellers? meh maybe. Positive Mental Attitudes - proven to work. It's the grey area between the two

[RonManager]

There are no such things as ghosts, end of discussion

 

I am a ghost.

 

 

And to prove it -

 

 

 

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Mediums, psychics, seances etc are all complete bull. It's pretty much common, there have even been numerous books, documentaries etc. on how it's done. Yet for some reason people still flock to circus shows by con artist like Derek Accorah and Psychic Sally. I know some people suffer very badly from the loss of a loved one, but it doesn't excuse them from complete idiocy. You might as well ask a tin of beans if you're loved one's are at peace.

 

As for ghosts. There's probably something in it, by way of science we cannot yet explain. Maybe when people die suddenly, violently and/or unexpectedly there is some form of weird energy released.

 

When my uncle met his missus, they had been on there first date the week before and they were going out for a few drinks the following Friday, but first his missus was round her friends who was a medium or whatever they are called. They done the same thing every Friday. At this point his missus knew near on nothing about him. He pulls up outside and his missus mate pipe's up "Nick's outside, go get him." she swears blind that she had not informed her mate of him and there was no way she could know his name. She went and got him and he came into the room. "There is someone here for you Nick." "Really? That's nice." or something along them lines because he had absolute no faith in that sort of thing. "Who is it then?" "No name as yet, but he has a woman with him." "Could be anyone." "She's reserved, not quite sure where she fits in with this." Nick called it quits as he didn't have any time for it. Only as he was walking out of the door she said "It's Reg. And "She's" with him.".

 

It was his Dad and there was quite alot of politics involved. My uncle never spoke of his dad, so quite how she pulled this out of the bag stumped all of us. As this was never for money, just a thing with friends once a week, you have to wonder do you not...?

[Matthew Le God]

Uri Gellers? meh maybe. Positive Mental Attitudes - proven to work.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo

[RedAndWhite91]

My place of work used to be the court or whatever it was back in the day, basically they used to hang people there and there's a tunnel that goes from work to the church, where they used to take the bodies. Mate who has worked there for years told me about some strange stuff happening, such as a roll cage emptying it's contents with no-one around it, and lights flickering, all that stereotypical spooky stuff. It'd probably be nothing had my mate not known people were killed there, guess it adds to the argument that a lot of it is all in your head.

[Griffo]

Load of ********. IMO, of course.

[dubai_phil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo

 

Why I said Uri - meh. :-)

 

Positive mental attitude? Yes, think every Saints fan has seen or helped to create that at the back end of this season - Franchise FC at home springs to mind

[Lighthouse]

Based on what? A hunch? Or some real evidence?

 

 

 

Oh ffs.

 

"wierd energy released"

 

How does this weird energy know it was a "sudden, violent or unexpectant" death?

 

Again with the 'mankind has a complete and comprehensive knowledge of everything in the universe' routine.

 

I said maybe. It's a possibility based on a sh*t load of weird stuff we can't understand. I've no idea, so I'm not going to get dragged into another 'God' debate.

[Deppo]

Why I said Uri - meh. :-)

 

Positive mental attitude? Yes, think every Saints fan has seen or helped to create that at the back end of this season - Franchise FC at home springs to mind

 

Or maybe the team just played well?

[dubai_phil]

Or maybe the team just played well?

 

Actually no, it was all down to Dave Merrington....

 

Who made the point that earlier in the season when we had gone behind and were not playing well the fans became very negative and booed the players off at half time etc. You may recall when you went to the odd game that fans have a habit of groaning at a misplaced pass and telling XY or Z player they are sh1t. (Think we had some threads about that for us non regulars.)

 

Anyway DM commented that against MKD something different happened, the fans kept going, so did the team. The rest is history. How many teams win when their heads drop & stay that way?

[Deppo]

Of course, positive thinking works if you are the one competing (ie, the players). And the positive thoughts of the fans in the ground mean nothing without vocal positive encouragement - it is the shouting/chanting/singing that helps the result, not the thinking about it. But the positive thoughts of people listening at home on the radio mean nothing.

[dubai_phil]

Of course, positive thinking works if you are the one competing (ie, the players). And the positive thoughts of the fans in the ground mean nothing without vocal positive encouragement - it is the shouting/chanting/singing that helps the result, not the thinking about it. But the positive thoughts of people listening at home on the radio mean nothing.

 

Agree entirely. But the "positive energy" created by the players performance on the field creates? Yup a positive energy among the fans, which when harnessed can create a positive energy amongst the players...

 

When I get time in the next few days I'll try and get some better examples. Was trying to keep it simple.

 

Meanwhile, for those who do not open their minds to the posibility that the brain can do magical things with the 80% we don't usually access, they will go through life without every understanding, seeing or learning about The Orgasm Gun - bang.

 

Oh that is one entire new thread

[revolution saint]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo

 

Good video. All supernatural beliefs are unfounded and wrong and I'm not going to say IMO because it's not just me, it's everyone. Think you've seen a ghost? You're either wrong or mistaken because there's no such thing.

[dubai_phil]

Good video. All supernatural beliefs are unfounded and wrong and I'm not going to say IMO because it's not just me, it's everyone. Think you've seen a ghost? You're either wrong or mistaken because there's no such thing.

 

Define Supernatural beliefs?

 

[revolution saint]

Define Supernatural beliefs?

 

 

Kind of hard but basically anything you mental people can come up with.

[hamster]

Shortly after moving into our current house we realised that something was amiss being a mild cynic I put most of the oddities down to dodgy electrics as most involved lights being on in the morning when theyd been turned off at night.

 

Other irregularities more concerning to me were that two doors in particular were often unlocked when I personally had locked them before retiring. This is a big house with lots of external doors, I religiously check them all every night. This could have been down to one of the family playing a practical joke at my expense and if I am honest, that was my suspicion. We even had somembig rows about it as I eventually had had enough and threatened to leave all thrones wide open all night as revenge. It continued for many months.

 

One day mrs h was Pottering about and a female voice told her to 'get out' when she walked into one of the two rooms that I refer to above. She went to go but turned round and very sternly told the voice/woman 'no, this is our house now, you get out'.

 

The 'dodgy electrics' never played up since and when I lock the doors they stay locked.

 

Mrs h would not lie about this and it half convinced me of 'something' else.

 

Twice recently I have had my own experiences that have left me in absolutely no doubt that spirits (for want of a better term) exist. The first was quite intimate and I have and only ever will talk to mrs h about it. Suffice to say I was literally left speechless and couldn't even bring myself to think about what had happened for many days after it happened.

 

The second occured just last week on a canal bank near a place called Cow Roast when I saw the image of a young woman appear quite literally from nowhere, her appearance was quite notable and she looked straight at me, smiling. I was slightly taken aback as I had just been on the towpath talking to a couple and she definitely WAS NOT THERE when I stepped back onto the boat. I called to her as she walked away and she smiled again over her shoulder, I shouted down into the boat to mrs h but when I looked up again she had disappeared into thin air.

 

All the above accounts are true.

[dubai_phil]

Spooky.

 

GF wants to listen to chilled out music. Dig out old record collection, she liked David Gates greatest hits but meh'd at Simply Dead.

 

I find "Introducing Joss Stone" and having seen her here (drool drool) thought yeah that'll do.

 

It's playing away & I think Hmm whatever happened to Joss, then think could be a thread for the Arts thread c'mon I mean she could sing and hubbahubba guys...

 

Anyway so I google her

 

And find something posted in the Houston Chronicle 4 hours ago. Which links to Rolling Stone Magazine

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mick-jagger-forms-supergroup-with-dave-stewart-joss-stone-and-damian-marley-20110520 Mick Jagger forms a supergroup with Joss & others - and no I ain't seen Sky News all day, been busy working.

 

Of course that is total co-incidence.

 

 

 

Oh and yeah unfortunately I have seen a ghost also Hammy and I was very sober at the time and yes it freaked the fook out of me.

 

Ex wife in the bed in hospital giving birth to our first-born. I'm stuck in the corner in a chair out the way. Right at the exact moment the "final push" comes her mother is standing there mopping her brow. It lasted from that "Push" until the "sploop" sound.

 

Nothing unusual except her Mum had died about 5 years before hand.

 

Obviously it was just some deep unconcious "if only her mum had been here thing on my behalf"

 

Or not

[revolution saint]

Shortly after moving into our current house we realised that something was amiss being a mild cynic I put most of the oddities down to dodgy electrics as most involved lights being on in the morning when theyd been turned off at night.

 

Other irregularities more concerning to me were that two doors in particular were often unlocked when I personally had locked them before retiring. This is a big house with lots of external doors, I religiously check them all every night. This could have been down to one of the family playing a practical joke at my expense and if I am honest, that was my suspicion. We even had somembig rows about it as I eventually had had enough and threatened to leave all thrones wide open all night as revenge. It continued for many months.

 

One day mrs h was Pottering about and a female voice told her to 'get out' when she walked into one of the two rooms that I refer to above. She went to go but turned round and very sternly told the voice/woman 'no, this is our house now, you get out'.

 

The 'dodgy electrics' never played up since and when I lock the doors they stay locked.

 

Mrs h would not lie about this and it half convinced me of 'something' else.

 

Twice recently I have had my own experiences that have left me in absolutely no doubt that spirits (for want of a better term) exist. The first was quite intimate and I have and only ever will talk to mrs h about it. Suffice to say I was literally left speechless and couldn't even bring myself to think about what had happened for many days after it happened.

 

The second occured just last week on a canal bank near a place called Cow Roast when I saw the image of a young woman appear quite literally from nowhere, her appearance was quite notable and she looked straight at me, smiling. I was slightly taken aback as I had just been on the towpath talking to a couple and she definitely WAS NOT THERE when I stepped back onto the boat. I called to her as she walked away and she smiled again over her shoulder, I shouted down into the boat to mrs h but when I looked up again she had disappeared into thin air.

 

All the above accounts are true.

 

Spooky.

 

GF wants to listen to chilled out music. Dig out old record collection, she liked David Gates greatest hits but meh'd at Simply Dead.

 

I find "Introducing Joss Stone" and having seen her here (drool drool) thought yeah that'll do.

 

It's playing away & I think Hmm whatever happened to Joss, then think could be a thread for the Arts thread c'mon I mean she could sing and hubbahubba guys...

 

Anyway so I google her

 

And find something posted in the Houston Chronicle 4 hours ago. Which links to Rolling Stone Magazine

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mick-jagger-forms-supergroup-with-dave-stewart-joss-stone-and-damian-marley-20110520 Mick Jagger forms a supergroup with Joss & others - and no I ain't seen Sky News all day, been busy working.

 

Of course that is total co-incidence.

 

 

 

Oh and yeah unfortunately I have seen a ghost also Hammy and I was very sober at the time and yes it freaked the fook out of me.

 

Ex wife in the bed in hospital giving birth to our first-born. I'm stuck in the corner in a chair out the way. Right at the exact moment the "final push" comes her mother is standing there mopping her brow. It lasted from that "Push" until the "sploop" sound.

 

Nothing unusual except her Mum had died about 5 years before hand.

 

Obviously it was just some deep unconcious "if only her mum had been here thing on my behalf"

 

Or not

 

TBH both these accounts are signs of mental illness or trauma. I realise that sounds a bit harsh and I'm sorry but it's true - there are no ghosts, there is no paranormal activity.

[dubai_phil]

TBH both these accounts are signs of mental illness or trauma. I realise that sounds a bit harsh and I'm sorry but it's true - there are no ghosts, there is no paranormal activity.

 

Ah so you didn't read the line

 

Obviously it was just some deep unconcious "if only her mum had been here thing on my behalf"

 

And the Joss Stone forming a band with Mick Jagger is mental illness? Lucky Mick I say.

 

I haven't said I believe in Ghosts anywhere in this thread, Simply that there is a SCIENCE about how the Human mind works. Richard Branson for one uses that science for all his Sales people - it's called NLP. I've also used it and it is a very very useful tool to have in your bag at certain times.

 

It also actually helps understand how some of the dodgy mind readers work that were mentioned above

Edited 22 May, 2011 by dubai_phil

[revolution saint]

Ah so you didn't read the line

 

Obviously it was just some deep unconcious "if only her mum had been here thing on my behalf"

 

And the Joss Stone forming a band with Mick Jagger is mental illness? Lucky Mick I say.

 

I haven't said I believe in Ghosts anywhere in this thread, Simply that there is a SCIENCE about how the Human mind works. Richard Branson for one uses that science for all his Sales people - it's called NLP. I've also used it and it is a very very useful tool to have in your bag at certain times.

 

It also actually helps understand how some of the dodgy mind readers work that were mentioned above

 

I did read that line, and I also read the "Or not". Which is it?

 

The Joss Stone was a bit confusing to be honest....you played a record and then found out there was an article online about her. Wow.

[hamster]

Define 'mentally ill' then?

[revolution saint]

Define 'mentally ill' then?

 

People who believe in absurdities

[hamster]

Ah, that'll be everyone I know then.

 

Just cos no scientist has yet discovered something does not mean that it does not exist. Sometimes when people don't understand something they automatically dismiss it. It's a foolish approach to life imho.

[Matthew Le God]

Just cos no scientist has yet discovered something does not mean that it does not exist. Sometimes when people don't understand something they automatically dismiss it. It's a foolish approach to life imho.

 

Is it not more foolish to plug a gap in knowledge with the supernatural and dismiss more likely and plausible answers?

 

Those are the actions of early man when he didn't understand the world he lived in. For example thunder was explained away as an act of the Gods etc etc. It would be good if man moved away from this crap in the 21st century.

Edited 22 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

Ah, that'll be everyone I know then.

 

Everyone you know believes in absurdities?

[Lighthouse]

Is it not more foolish to plug a gap in knowledge with the supernatural and dismiss more likely and plausible answers?

 

Those are the actions of early man when he didn't understand the world he lived in. For example thunder was explained away as an act of the Gods etc etc. It would be good if man moved away from this crap in the 21st century.

 

All the while neanderthal MLG was confidentally telling other neanderthals thunder didn't exist and they were foolish to believe in it.

[CityRanger]

When I was about 12 years old I went to the Tyro League rep trials at the Veracity Ground in Sholing. i didn't play all that well and felt a bit out of sorts. At one point i looked around and saw kids in suits and flat caps like a scene from many years ago, but didn't think much of it at the time

Years later I was going through old family photos with my Gran and she showed me a pic of her uncle who looked like me. Same hair, build etc as an adult. She said he used to live by the Veracity and was an amateur athlete who used to run laps round the veracity to train.

I got goosebumps.

I told her of my experience as a child, she just smiled. When looking back I can remember that experience and the "pictures " that I saw at the time. I had no reason to have knowledge of images of that sort at the time. Is this linked to reincarnation I have often wondered?

[Matthew Le God]

All the while neanderthal MLG was confidentally telling other neanderthals thunder didn't exist and they were foolish to believe in it.

 

What a strange logic you use. If there was a neanderthal atheist MLG, he wouldn't dismiss thunder as not existing, he would dismiss linking thunder to the non-existent Gods.

[Matthew Le God]

When I was about 12 years old I went to the Tyro League rep trials at the Veracity Ground in Sholing. i didn't play all that well and felt a bit out of sorts. At one point i looked around and saw kids in suits and flat caps like a scene from many years ago, but didn't think much of it at the time

Years later I was going through old family photos with my Gran and she showed me a pic of her uncle who looked like me. Same hair, build etc as an adult. She said he used to live by the Veracity and was an amateur athlete who used to run laps round the veracity to train.

I got goosebumps.

I told her of my experience as a child, she just smiled. When looking back I can remember that experience and the "pictures " that I saw at the time. I had no reason to have knowledge of images of that sort at the time.

 

Is this linked to reincarnation I have often wondered?

 

No

 

A more likely explanation would be...

 

- some kids in old fashioned clothes (for any number of reasons) were watching a football match. Why have you dismissed that possibility as being unrealistic, but think reincarnation and ghosts are more plausible?

- or your memories of the event have distorted over time.

[hamster]

Is it not more foolish to plug a gap in knowledge with the supernatural and dismiss more likely and plausible answers?

 

Those are the actions of early man when he didn't understand the world he lived in. For example thunder was explained away as an act of the Gods etc etc. It would be good if man moved away from this crap in the 21st century.

 

So, we can explain thunder and lightning then can we? I mean, when one considers the weather it's all too easy to discuss it as one off events when in reality one follows another and it's absolutely chaotic in terms of our own understandings. How come it all works out just fine in the vast majority of the time. What or who controls this chaos? And if it only requires basic intelligence to understand and accept it, why can't we super intelligent beings recreate it from nothing?

 

I fear that I ammslowly slipping out of my depth here but cannot deny that what I have experienced has actually happened. I can't ask what others think I should believe I should believe as noone else has experienced it. Is that not enough of an argument in itself?

[Matthew Le God]

I fear that I ammslowly slipping out of my depth here but cannot deny that what I have experienced has actually happened. I can't ask what others think I should believe I should believe as noone else has experienced it. Is that not enough of an argument in itself?

 

You are confusing your perception and memory of an event and what actually occurred. Seeing a "ghost", doesn't make it a ghost.

[Crab Lungs]

No

 

A more likely explanation would be...

 

- some kids in old fashioned clothes (for any number of reasons) were watching a football match. Why have you dismissed that possibility as being unrealistic, but think reincarnation and ghosts are more plausible?

- or your memories of the event have distorted over time.

 

No

 

That's a time slip, Matthew.

[CityRanger]

No

 

A more likely explanation would be...

 

- some kids in old fashioned clothes (for any number of reasons) were watching a football match. Why have you dismissed that possibility as being unrealistic, but think reincarnation and ghosts are more plausible?

 

 

Fair play to trying to rationalise everything MLG, i like a lot of the stuff you put up on here btw! But you are being slightly patronising there pal.

I'm no dinlow! There was no Victorian day going on. I was in the middle of the pitch and just switched off and saw this stuff, kept it to myself for many, many years and made a link when my Gran showed me the pics and told me that about her uncle. I had no Sholing links before that either, just Harefiled Hedge End.

- or your memories of the event have distorted over time.

[Matthew Le God]

So, we can explain thunder and lightning then can we?

 

Why can't we super intelligent beings recreate it from nothing?

 

[CityRanger]

No

 

That's a time slip, Matthew.

 

What's a time slip C L??!

Fascinated!

[Matthew Le God]

Fair play to trying to rationalise everything MLG, i like a lot of the stuff you put up on here btw! But you are being slightly patronising there pal.

I'm no dinlow! There was no Victorian day going on. I was in the middle of the pitch and just switched off and saw this stuff, kept it to myself for many, many years and made a link when my Gran showed me the pics and told me that about her uncle. I had no Sholing links before that either, just Harefiled Hedge End.

 

There is a clue. It is not unheard of for 12 year old boys to daydream. Plus you admit it was many years later you saw the photos, memories distort over time, especially if it was just the wandering mind of a 12 year old boy. I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm sure you genuinely believe this is what you saw, but that doesn't make it true.

[Crab Lungs]

What's a time slip C L??!

Fascinated!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_slip

 

More here:

 

http://paranormal.about.com/od/timeanddimensiontravel/a/aa012306.htm

 

But of course, the millions of worldwide occurrences can be simply put down to numerous fancy dress days, right Matthew?

[Matthew Le God]

But of course, the millions of worldwide occurrences can be simply put down to numerous fancy dress days, right Matthew?

 

I did give two possible reasons, not one. Both more likely than a ghost (especially the second one).

[Crab Lungs]

There is a clue. It is not unheard of for 12 year old boys to daydream. Plus you admit it was many years later you saw the photos, memories distort over time, especially if it was just the wandering mind of a 12 year old boy. I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm sure you genuinely believe this is what you saw, but that doesn't make it true.

 

...and neither does any of your explanations make it true.

[Crab Lungs]

I did give two possible reasons, not one. Both more likely than a ghost.

 

So what about UFO's, alien abductions? Is that purely an overactive mind? Is that sleep paralysis?

[Matthew Le God]

...and neither does any of your explanations make it true.

 

You are right the aren't guaranteed to be true. But they are more likely, and that is the key! People that believe in ghosts overlook more plausible explanations and jump straight to the paranormal.

[Matthew Le God]

So what about UFO's, alien abductions? Is that purely an overactive mind? Is that sleep paralysis?

 

Huge number of reasons - attention seeking, mental illness, overactive mind, confusion with natural phenomena or human built objects like aircraft and weather balloons etc etc.

[Lighthouse]

What a strange logic you use. If there was a neanderthal atheist MLG, he wouldn't dismiss thunder as not existing, he would dismiss linking thunder to the non-existent Gods.

 

And yet you chose to dismiss the possibility of ghosts simply because you don't have the scientific knowledge to explain them.

[Matthew Le God]

And yet you chose to dismiss the possibility of ghosts simply because you don't have the scientific knowledge to explain them.

 

Do you believe in unicorns, leprechauns or fairies? If not, why not?

 

All three and countless other creatures have been seen "apparently" by countless people throughout human history.

[Crab Lungs]

You are right the aren't guaranteed to be true. But they are more likely, and that is the key! People that believe in ghosts overlook more plausible explanations and jump straight to the paranormal.

 

But I think, science aside, there are some things that cannot be rationalised, cannot be explained. For me, it's a dead heat - science cannot disprove or confirm the paranormal phenomena, which leaves massive, massive circumstantial evidence - and that is the key for me.

 

I understand people make things up, can be under the influence of mind altering substances or are simply forgetful but not every one of the billions of accounts cannot simply be dismissed as something explainable.

 

The reason why I am so vociferous is that I've had experiences, as has my family and has my friends and on occasions, we've had them together. Now, I'm not sure how 5 people can all be daydreaming or hallucinating the very same thing...

[Crab Lungs]

Huge number of reasons - attention seeking, mental illness, overactive mind, confusion with natural phenomena or human built objects like aircraft and weather balloons etc etc.

 

So why did the US Military say they had recovered a 'flying disc' in 1947 only to retract it and claim that it was a weather balloon? What of the Chicago O'Hare UFO sightings? What of the Jerusalem sightings?

 

I'm not sure either whether 5 people at the same time could all fall mentally ill, either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton

[Matthew Le God]

But I think, science aside, there are some things that cannot be rationalised, cannot be explained. For me, it's a dead heat - science cannot disprove or confirm the paranormal phenomena, which leaves massive, massive circumstantial evidence - and that is the key for me.

 

I understand people make things up, can be under the influence of mind altering substances or are simply forgetful but not every one of the billions of accounts cannot simply be dismissed as something explainable.

 

Can you show me any independent reputable scientific study proving a paranormal activity?

 

The reason why I am so vociferous is that I've had experiences, as has my family and has my friends and on occasions, we've had them together. Now, I'm not sure how 5 people can all be daydreaming or hallucinating the very same thing...

 

Can you describe the shared event?