Saint-Armstrong Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Do you believe in spirits/ghosts/poltergeists? I have to say I do, my Nan was a medium and a lot of what she did was very convincing, my whole family believes it and several things she had told us we had experienced ourselves beforehand. Anyway do you believe, and what experiences, if any, have you had? I have one: A while back I was lying in bed watching TFLS when I heard loud crashes and bangs from the bathroom, wandered in there and all the creams and hair stuff was on the floor, I picked them up and popped them back on their storage unit, only for exactly the same stuff to end up back on the floor after another series of loud noises 15 minutes later. Freaky stuff. Okay guys, tell us your stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Weird, I was going to post a similar thread about this! I have a few experiences, I will probably post them tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 (edited) Do you believe in spirits/ghosts/poltergeists? No, they are a relic of early man struggling to understand life's mysteries by creating comforters and plugs to gaps in knowledge with the supernatural and still remain with the gullible today. I have to say I do, my Nan was a medium and a lot of what she did was very convincing, my whole family believes it and several things she had told us we had experienced ourselves beforehand. She was either 1) sincerely deluding herself and those she "helped" or 2) is a knowing fraud. I hope she didn't charge people for the service. It is very easy to use cold reading techniques to make the vulnerable believe you are an effective medium and take advantage of them. A while back I was lying in bed watching TFLS when I heard loud crashes and bangs from the bathroom, wandered in there and all the creams and hair stuff was on the floor, I picked them up and popped them back on their storage unit, only for exactly the same stuff to end up back on the floor after another series of loud noises 15 minutes later. Freaky stuff. So what? Some things fell of a shelf twice. Air currents, door shutting, poorly stacked items on a shelf. There are countless more plausible reasons for such an occurrence a rational human would make before jumping to the supernatural. Edited 21 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 21 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Small room, door shut, no windows and were about 15cm from the edge. Surely that can't happen. My Nan never charged for anything, it was for herself, she never gave readings to other people unless asked, and they were always free. She said there was an elderly man walking this house and stated details of his life. Anywho another medium (completely unknown to her) told us the same story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 No, they are a relic of early man struggling to understand life's mysteries by creating comforters and plugs to gaps in knowledge with the supernatural and still remain with the gullible today. Or you could be a pedantic, small-minded bore like yourself who tries to rationalise everything with inane ramblings that only make sense to you. She was either 1) sincerely deluding herself and those she "helped" or 2) is a knowing fraud. I hope she didn't charge people for the service. It is very easy to use cold reading techniques to make the vulnerable believe you are an effective medium and take advantage of them. Whilst there is a massive issue with profiteering in the paranormal (Derek fking Acorah, anyone?), you cannot make a sweeping judgement on someone you didn't even know and what talents they may or may not have had. So what? Some things fell of a shelf twice. Air currents, door shutting, poorly stacked on shelf. There are countless more plausible reasons for such an occurrence a rational human would make before jumping to the supernatural. That circumstantial account might not mean anything to you, but I'd like you to try and debunk the millions of extraordinary paranormal experiences that have happened to people over the past week, let alone since records began. Well go on then you dullard, start debunking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Small room, door shut, no windows and were about 15cm from the edge. Surely that can't happen. Of course it can. Your first reaction shouldn't be "a ghost did it". There are plenty of other more plausible ways it could have happened. My Nan never charged for anything, it was for herself, she never gave readings to other people unless asked, and they were always free. She said there was an elderly man walking this house and stated details of his life. Anywho another medium (completely unknown to her) told us the same story... Good to hear she didn't charge. However giving people false hope to the vulnerable isn't right. Cold reading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Or you could be a pedantic, small-minded bore like yourself who tries to rationalise everything with inane ramblings that only make sense to you. Whilst there is a massive issue with profiteering in the paranormal (Derek fking Acorah, anyone?), you cannot make a sweeping judgement on someone you didn't even know and what talents they may or may not have had. That circumstantial account might not mean anything to you, but I'd like you to try and debunk the millions of extraordinary paranormal experiences that have happened to people over the past week, let alone since records began. Well go on then you dullard, start debunking. Show me a medium that has been proven by an independent scientific study? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 22 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2011 So if there is a plausible explanation, please do share it. I would LOVE to know. This is my third post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Show me a medium that has been proven by an independent scientific study? You're the smart arse pal, so I think you should start by explaining why you believe the paranormal is far-fetched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Well your Nan might have been a medium but I'm an extra-large and I'd suggest that there is no hidden or spiritual meaning behind paranormal activities. IMO - of course. We all see what we want to see in these things. One man's hair product spirited to the floor is another man's air currents or dodgy shelf. If your look into the statistical likelihood of paranormal events occurring, it would actually be more surprising if events like you've described didn't happen now and again with 6+Billion people on the planet. If, in the history of mankind a man's creams (not a euphemism) and hair products HADN'T fallen to the floor twice for no apparent reason, it would be truly odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 (edited) So if there is a plausible explanation, please do share it. I would LOVE to know. This is my third post. Well I don't have the ability to view the evidence in situ (ala Jonathan Creek) and it is just based on you description of events. However things fall over all the time, it is quite a leap to think the most likely explanation was that a ghost did it. If you witnessed the event and the objects defied the laws of known physics then yes, you may have a point. Even then I would still have doubts and suggest someone playing a trick on you is more likely than a ghost doing it. But objects falling over in a next door room that you haven't witnessed happen, doesn't strike me as particularly supernatural. Edited 22 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 (edited) You're the smart arse pal, so I think you should start by explaining why you believe the paranormal is far-fetched? Because under independent scientific study nothing paranormal has held up. Can you show me otherwise? Which is the more likely... 1) the laws of the universe are suspended just for you OR 2) you have been conned, lied to or deluded by something or someone ??? It is quite a jump to use 1) ahead of 2). Edited 22 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I am more scared of the living than the dead. I refuse to stop myself debunking the ghost theory, as I want to believe the paranormal exists, but my educated self does think ghosts and the like are a load of bullplop. As a former agoraphobic, groups of the living used to unsettle me, if I did happen upon a ghost or entity, I'd find it more interesting than scary. That said, the only eerie thing I've encountered was in my old house, my dog at the time sat bolt upright next to the stairs. I hadn't heard anything but he must've. I went upstairs to check on the windows and we wouldn't follow me up, even when called. This from the most loyal dog in the world. I found nothing, was weird though. By and large it's the mind playing tricks on you. The Fright Night mazes for example, just actors but they get people screaming. Does anyone remember a programme in the 90's one Halloween featuring a live ghost hunt in a haunted house? I forget its name but it scared the bejeezus out of me at the time, turns out it was a scripted drama. Had Michael Parkinson in it I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Armstrong, your example of a paranormal experience is a rather Ummmmmm... Shít one to say the least and you have left yourself open to the replies you have had. I'm a believer in something, don't know quite what but there is defineatly more going on than we know of. When I was about 13, Living at my mums, I was awoken with what felt like a nudge and heard an exited girls voice - "Hello!!" I so very nearly literally shít the bed and rolled over to face the way of the nudge and voice but alas, nothing there. I wrote this off as me being in a part dream state. A few years later, me and a few mates are at my mums, playing Championship Manager. My mate flu kaon my Sound System and flicks on the tape that's in the deck. It's a recording of a radio show and that Moulin Rouge 'Lady Marmelade' or whatever it was come on. My mate flicks the volume up and starts dancing round my room, then for a split second the music stops and an exited girls laugh rings out of the speakers then the music continues. Might not sound all that but I can assure you us 3 lads all looked at eachother with some seriously sketched out faces on the go. I have now moved out of my Mums house, but on a visit over to my mums with my two daughters to see Nanny, we were all stood by my mums French doors that lead out to the garden. Beautiful Day, sun shiny and mums put my eldests "Dinosour Swing" up ready for their arrival. My daughters well chuffed to see it but won't go outside. Me: "Go and play on your Dinosour swing..." My 2 1/2 year old daughter: "No, the little girl is playing on it." Me: "No it's for you silly..." My 2 1/2 year old daughter: "she is sitting on it daddy, look!" Me, the missus, me old dear and my brother are left not quite knowing what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I am sure I have seen a ghost, really quite spooky and weird. There has to be something out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Do you believe in spirits/ghosts/poltergeists? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I believe in ghosts. Mainly due to the fact that I have seen one. 100% true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I am sure I have seen a ghost, really quite spooky and weird. There has to be something out there. Ditto. This subject has come up on this forum, and its predecessors, before. I seem to recall a couple of forum users conduct paranormal investigations in the Soton region. Would love to join one of these, but live a bit too far away now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I believe in ghosts. Mainly due to the fact that I have seen one. 100% true. Thats the point, right there. Until youve actually seen a ghost, its near impossible to believe they exist. When I was 22 and living in a flat in Stoke, I woke up early which is unusual for me. I had one of those digital alarm clocks, wondered why I was awake before it had gone off, looked at the clock and saw it was 5:58. I sat up and had a drink of water, then saw some movement at the foot of the bed. There was a man sitting on the bed, pulling a rope or a cord from between the bed and the wall, absolutely as clear as day, no less real than this keyboard I'm typing on. I said something like "what the f*ck do you think youre doing here", and he turned to look at me. I couldnt understand how he'd broken in, and looked towards the windows, which were intact and closed. When I looked back he'd gone. I looked at the clock again, which read 6:01. I thought of phoning the police, but went downstairs to check the front door, which was still closed and with the chain on. The windows were also closed, and with the interior handles down, so he could not have climbed out of any of them, and in any case there would not have been time. I was sufficiently scared by this that for three solid months after it happened I got a mate to see me into the flat every night. I did phone the police later that day, and a policeman came round and confirmed that it was impossible for anybody to have broken in and got out leaving the door and windows as they were, and that there was no sign of forced entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Small room, door shut, no windows and were about 15cm from the edge. Surely that can't happen. My Nan never charged for anything, it was for herself, she never gave readings to other people unless asked, and they were always free. She said there was an elderly man walking this house and stated details of his life. Anywho another medium (completely unknown to her) told us the same story... Probably more likely to be a cheeky, naughty rat up on the surface wherever this stuff was. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK_Phoey Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Do you believe in spirits/ghosts/poltergeists? I have to say I do, my Nan was a medium and a lot of what she did was very convincing, my whole family believes it and several things she had told us we had experienced ourselves beforehand. Anyway do you believe, and what experiences, if any, have you had? I have one: A while back I was lying in bed watching TFLS when I heard loud crashes and bangs from the bathroom, wandered in there and all the creams and hair stuff was on the floor, I picked them up and popped them back on their storage unit, only for exactly the same stuff to end up back on the floor after another series of loud noises 15 minutes later. Freaky stuff. Okay guys, tell us your stories. Exactly the same thing happens in our house quite regularly, they are called earthquakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 The mind is an incredible thing and is probably responsible for about 99% of paranormal activity, the remaining 1% are probably tricks by friends who laugh every time it gets mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 When my step daughter reached puberty we experienced several weels of poletegeist activities around the house. Pictures fell of walls and bayonet fitting light bulbs jumped out of the chandelier and smashed on the floor below. I also know a medium who has been right about a number of things. She mentioned some time back that an ex girlfriend of mine in America was pregnant - someone she didn't know and didn't know where she lived - months later I heard from this person's sister that she had had a baby girl. She already had 3 children by her first husband and was in her 40's so it was not as if she was young and it was going to happen at some point soon. They aren't always right as we have free will and can change the course of our lives, but it seems they can pick up on particular paths. This person is also a healer and described to a friend of mine perfectly the shape of her brain tumour which had a stalk connecting two larger sections - something she never could have guessed. When she passes her hands over you you can feel the heat coming from them. She moves energy around the body. I don't understand it but do think there is something to it. For sceptics - lie down and get a friend to hang a crystal on a thread about your chakra points. The crystal will rotate at these points as it picks up the energy centres. There is an awful lot that science still can't explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 My Auntie is a medium, well she says that but she's actually a bit bigger and likes girls. She's bi and large...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 When my step daughter reached puberty we experienced several weels of poletegeist activities around the house. Pictures fell of walls and bayonet fitting light bulbs jumped out of the chandelier and smashed on the floor below. I also know a medium who has been right about a number of things. She mentioned some time back that an ex girlfriend of mine in America was pregnant - someone she didn't know and didn't know where she lived - months later I heard from this person's sister that she had had a baby girl. She already had 3 children by her first husband and was in her 40's so it was not as if she was young and it was going to happen at some point soon. They aren't always right as we have free will and can change the course of our lives, but it seems they can pick up on particular paths. This person is also a healer and described to a friend of mine perfectly the shape of her brain tumour which had a stalk connecting two larger sections - something she never could have guessed. When she passes her hands over you you can feel the heat coming from them. She moves energy around the body. I don't understand it but do think there is something to it. For sceptics - lie down and get a friend to hang a crystal on a thread about your chakra points. The crystal will rotate at these points as it picks up the energy centres. There is an awful lot that science still can't explain. OK my mate (as mentioned before) became a licenced Hypnotist (will do another thread on that methinks). He also studied a lot of the New Age stuff that comes from actually understanding how the Human Brain works. The Chakra points one is interesting. On his stag weekend in Bangkok during the chillout time (ie early afternoon and before beer) visiting the Temple of the Emerald Buddha he asked us. Do you feel anything about this place? An energy, a calmness? Does it feel like something special or does it feel like the shopping mall? Well of course it had an atmosphere in the same wasy SMS can have one. He then explained how the palms of the hands have these energy points and you rub them to get them warm and hold them together as if you had say a small stress ball between them. Then focus on them, place your tongue on the top of your mouth to complete the connection and feel for "energy". Well after the 10 mins of mandatory ladish abuse we all tried. And yes there was the slightest tingling as if a vague something was there. We then went inside the actual temple with the Monks praying and tried again and this time the feeling was actually as if there really was like a 3 ish inch stress ball in the hands gentle but there. Anyway we practiced that & got a bit better. I did it at the theatre before Equus with Harry Potter - 90% audience women waiting to see him get his kit off and it was like holding a bloody beach ball. Likewise at SMS before the Walsall game as the teams came out. Is there any science behind it? NO. Is it the brain imagining and creating the feeling? yes obviously. But the POINT is that the mind creates that feeling even though nothing is there. A lot of similar New Age stuff - Auras for example. People who can supposedly see these will say "Wow you have a very strong aura" to us mere normal people - we would say "that person has a presence when they walk into a room". Ain't seen no machine yet that tests it but have seen attempts to measure them. Are they linked to paranormal activity? No idea. But the brain CAN do weird **** but of course people have to go through a process of sitting down and listening/learning watching first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Do I believe in spirits? Course I do, Vodka and gin amongst others have been proven to exist for centuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I do believe in the paranormal.Not long after i moved into my house i had an experience that was VERY strange. I got into bed one night and as my head hit the pillow so the room seemed to fill with light and warmth (it wasn't scary,in fact it felt incredibly reassuring)....A hand appeared from the light and came towards me carrying a small hand-tied bunch of flowers.As it came closer the flowers turned into a brooch shaped like the bunch of flowers and at the centre of each flower was a ruby.As quickly as it had arrived,so it went. A friend of mine's mother had died about a year before this experience so i just assumed it was maybe a message for him.I told him about it but he could see no connection to his mother at all. So i pretty much forgot about it.Then about 4 years later my Dad brought home a load of old family photos that he had found at my Grandad's house.As he was going through them , he welled up as he saw a picture of his Gran (who he'd been incredibly close to) .She was sat on a bench in a garden,wearing a cardigan with a brooch on it.It was the very same brooch that i had seen that night.The photo was in B&W so i couldn't see what colour the stones were in it, so i asked an Aunt if she had or remembered the brooch.She said that it was definately rubies (i never told her WHY i was asking until after she'd told me what stones were in it) .I had never met my Great Grandmother and nor had i ever seen a photo of her,so it could not have been some repressed or deeply concealed memory surfacing......so the only other explanation would be a paranormal one....:-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 What we call paranormal is actually normal, it is just becaise we can't label it or because science can't explain it becomes abnormal. Its a shame that "New Age" gets such a bad name. As we move away from the spiritual to the material we loss more of a sense of what it is to be human. We are all about energy when it comes down to it. As Phil says, some people can walk into a room and bring it alive. Just by being with others their negative energy can drog you down to their level in no time. We see it in sport all the time. Some people/teams have that winning mentality and many don't. This is what people Woodward try and tap into to. It is an energy shift. This whole area is fascinating - just a shame that shows like Most Haunted turn it into a circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I think the claims of ghosts etc. existing are entirely different to clairvoyants and psychics. Ghosts will always be the unknown where as clairvoyancy through the art of cold reading and making barnum statements such as "I sense that you are sometimes insecure, especially with people you don't know very well." that can be applied to pretty much anyone and everyone is a well known con if money is made from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 What we call paranormal is actually normal, it is just becaise we can't label it or because science can't explain it becomes abnormal. Its a shame that "New Age" gets such a bad name. As we move away from the spiritual to the material we loss more of a sense of what it is to be human. We are all about energy when it comes down to it. As Phil says, some people can walk into a room and bring it alive. Just by being with others their negative energy can drog you down to their level in no time. We see it in sport all the time. Some people/teams have that winning mentality and many don't. This is what people Woodward try and tap into to. It is an energy shift. This whole area is fascinating - just a shame that shows like Most Haunted turn it into a circus. When I first saw that program I watched it with a family that actually believed in it. I didn't know whether to engage in hysterical laughter or express such sorrow for the people that were taken in by that Yvette Fielding going round screaming "OH MY GOD, SOMETHING JUST TOUCHED ME!!!!" whenever she walked past a curtain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I have been on two spirtual trips, one to Peru and one to Egypt. Although well down the ladder it was interesting to see what the people with more developed phsic skills got from the trips. The Ancients, with so much less technology than us, we so more advanced in so many ways. I can understand why some are sceptical. I gave up in the end because I found it hard work and was frustrtaed that I didn't progess as fast as some of the other people in my group. I did however see and hear enough to know that there is something to it well beyond money making scams. It doesn't hurt to keep an open mind. As Phil says, there are simple things that we can all do that relate to energy and how it can be utilised. And try the chakra tes with a hanging crystal. I did it to my kids recently and they were blown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 When I first saw that program I watched it with a family that actually believed in it. I didn't know whether to engage in hysterical laughter or express such sorrow for the people that were taken in by that Yvette Fielding going round screaming "OH MY GOD, SOMETHING JUST TOUCHED ME!!!!" whenever she walked past a curtain It is such a shame. This is a subject that should be treated seriously but things like this just make it a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 What we call paranormal is actually normal, it is just becaise we can't label it or because science can't explain it becomes abnormal. Its a shame that "New Age" gets such a bad name. As we move away from the spiritual to the material we loss more of a sense of what it is to be human. We are all about energy when it comes down to it. As Phil says, some people can walk into a room and bring it alive. Just by being with others their negative energy can drog you down to their level in no time. We see it in sport all the time. Some people/teams have that winning mentality and many don't. This is what people Woodward try and tap into to. It is an energy shift. This whole area is fascinating - just a shame that shows like Most Haunted turn it into a circus. No, not really it's about body language, attractiveness and all those little behavioural quirks that make up what we call charisma. There's nothing supernatural about it at all. The reason shows like Most Haunted turn it into a circus is because the idea of the supernatural in the first place is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 who thinks derek akorah is legit..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 On his stag weekend in Bangkok during the chillout time what the hell was going on the other time..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 who thinks derek akorah is legit..? He's a massive pr1ck and has turned the subject into a bit of a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 what the hell was going on the other time..? Klong tours. MBK Suits made for the wedding Soi 7 Seafood Market OK the funniest was when we went to soapy massage place. Stag is beered up & Viagra'd (ooh nawty boys) we pick the ugliest one for him and send him on his way. He thinks we're all going as well. We retire next door to the karaoke bar and let rip. returning every 15 minutes to order another one to be sent up to his room. Well we thought it was funny and the look on his face when they dragged the empty husk into the karaoke bar and he realised we'd not participated in being bad. Strangely we didn't get wedding invites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Or you could be a pedantic, small-minded bore like yourself who tries to rationalise everything with inane ramblings that only make sense to you. To be fair, he may be a pedantic, small-minded bore, but the second part of this sentence is an inane rambling. You are questioning it because he attempts to "rationalise" it in a way that "makes sense" to him? Surely that's a good thing? Surely that's better than just jumping to the conclusion of it being the supernatural? Even proper ghostbusters like Boj would try to rationalise something in a way that makes sense before they get their proton packs, ecto-goggles and PKE meters out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 To be fair, he may be a pedantic, small-minded bore, but the second part of this sentence is an inane rambling. You are questioning it because he attempts to "rationalise" it in a way that "makes sense" to him? Surely that's a good thing? Surely that's better than just jumping to the conclusion of it being the supernatural? Even proper ghostbusters like Boj would try to rationalise something in a way that makes sense. Ha, and MLG wasn't jumping to conclusions? Anyway, you're a wind-up, so I'm going to leave it there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 He's a massive pr1ck and has turned the subject into a bit of a joke. i've read his book and its really weird ...he links it all massively with religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 A while back I was lying in bed watching TFLS when I heard loud crashes and bangs from the bathroom, wandered in there and all the creams and hair stuff was on the floor, I picked them up and popped them back on their storage unit, only for exactly the same stuff to end up back on the floor after another series of loud noises 15 minutes later. Freaky stuff. When I hear stories like this I like to look at it from the perspective of the ghost. What do you think the motive might have been? If they really wanted to scare you, it's a pretty lame attempt, presuming you don't have a phobia of hair and beauty products. Boredom maybe? An eternity in limbo must be pretty tiresome, maybe knocking over a few bottles of shampoo now and then qualifies as entertainment in the afterword these days. Do ghosts need to wash their hair? Perhaps he was disappointed with your selection of products and had a ghosty tantrum, maybe there's a lesson there, don't be such a cheapskate. Either way I don't think there's too much cause for concern, I rate this haunting 2 out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 (edited) A large number in this thread have admitted to believing in ghosts... So do you think every human has a ghost? What about other now extinct forms of humanoids like Neanderthals? They were so close to humans they interbred. Where do you draw the line? Or does every animal have a ghost? Are there T-Rex ghosts? Are there ant ghosts? Are there bacteria ghosts? Just think how many animals exist today and then think how many forms of life have existed on earth in the last 3.7 billion years! You wouldn't be able to move without seeing a ghost. Edited 22 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 A large number in this thread have admitted to believing in ghosts... So do you think every human has a ghost? What about other now extinct forms of humanoids like Neanderthals? They were so close to humans they interbred. Where do you draw the line? Or does every animal have a ghost? Are there T-Rex ghosts? Are there ant ghosts? Are there bacteria ghosts? Everyone and everything has a soul, but not everything remains here after it/they have died. I think it's too easy to pigeon-hole the whole phenomena into one category. I think ghosts, or spirits, come in different guises. In some cases, it is a residual imprint on the area that it resides. In others, it's an earthbound spirit. The reasons as to why it remains here is varied. Emotionally charged event? Favourite place when alive? There are many theories and possible reasons. Just think how many animals exist today and then think how many forms of life have existed on earth in the last 3.7 billion years! You wouldn't be able to move without seeing a ghost. The human eye can only see a very small percentage of what might actually exist. For all we know, there could be overlapping dimensions/multiverses with every single thing that has ever lived existing (or at least their spirit) still walking among us but invisible to us. Then again, there is every chance that not every soul hangs around after death... and even if they do, it doesn't necessarily mean we would be able to sense it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 (edited) You speak with such certainty that this is the case. You will now accuse me of doing the same, however there is no independent reputable scientific evidence of ghosts or paranormal activity anywhere. So mine is a reasonable position to take. Unless you can show me otherwise and you can show me some independent scientific evidence?... If you see a ghost, the more logically thought pattern should be to think it is your mind playing tricks on you or someone conning you, it is quite a leap to think the laws of the universe have been suspended just for you, before you completely rule out the former. Edited 22 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Many people throughout history have claimed to see unicorns, leprechauns, goblins, fairies etc do you believe in them? If not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 A lot of similar New Age stuff - Auras for example. People who can supposedly see these will say "Wow you have a very strong aura" to us mere normal people - we would say "that person has a presence when they walk into a room". Ain't seen no machine yet that tests it but have seen attempts to measure them. Are they linked to paranormal activity? No idea. But the brain CAN do weird **** but of course people have to go through a process of sitting down and listening/learning watching first I know someone who can see auras. He is very perceptive and can even tell if someone is sick based just on seeing their aura, and can even make a diagnosis (of sorts). He has been very accurate in the past and I have absolutely no doubt that he is genuine, even though I have an in-built scepticism for these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Ghosts exist just as much as the great orbiting teapot does. There is no god and there are no ghosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Everyone and everything has a soul You seem to say this as if it is an unequivocal fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I have seen "a ghost", but I don't believe in them. I was staying in an old farmhouse in France in the middle of nowhere that had been converted to a holiday gite. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw an elderly lady sitting by the side of my bed, dressed in traditional French farmers clothes. It was pretty clear at the time, but I am pretty certain that ghosts don't exist so it was obviously a figment of my imagination in some sort of hypnopompic state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I once found a small plastic child's toy in a packet of Cornflakes. No idea how that got there. Weird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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