1976_Child Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 ...shockingly sh!te. Watching the Scottish cup final... yawn... oh! Own goal! Damn, and it is the Irish Plastics in the lead. Just to make this thread vaguely Saints-esque, can anyone remember what year it was that we played the Irish Plastics in a pre-season at SMS?
1976_Child Posted 21 May, 2011 Author Posted 21 May, 2011 make that 2008 it was when Wee Mc Strachan was there wasn't it?
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 The conference playoffs on the other hand are cracking!
1976_Child Posted 21 May, 2011 Author Posted 21 May, 2011 The conference playoffs on the other hand are cracking! what channel r they on?
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 what channel r they on? SKy sports I think, this link was posted on another thread: http://magictv.co/
Badger Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 The conference playoffs on the other hand are cracking! Hope Wimbledon win it.
woodfc Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Premier TV or something like that and you need to subscribe. I prefered the Womens cup final on Sky rather than watch the jocks.
Dalek2003 Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 I think Celtic and Rangers are NPC standard, mid table.
1976_Child Posted 21 May, 2011 Author Posted 21 May, 2011 I think Celtic and Rangers are NPC standard, mid table. agreed.
Matthew Le God Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 (edited) I think Celtic and Rangers are NPC standard, mid table. So you think mid table Championship sides like Barnsley and Watford could get to the final of the Europa League and compete reasonably well in the Champions League group stages? If Celtic and Rangers moved to the Premier League they would both become top 8 clubs easily. Their fanbases and stadiums would put them very high up compared to English clubs, they would benefit from the extra money the Premier League has and the appeal of attracting players to the league. Will never happen though. Edited 21 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Prince Jazzbo Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 The Scottish Cup is probably about as equivelent to the JPT IMHO
beatlesaint Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 So you think mid table Championship sides like Barnsley and Watford could get to the final of the Europa League and compete reasonably well in the Champions League group stages? If Celtic and Rangers moved to the Premier League they would both become top 8 clubs easily. How often do Rangers or Celtic compete reasonably or at all well in the Champions League group stages ? Didnt UEFA drop a place for Scottish teams from two to one cos they were so abysmal every year ? The answer to that is yes by the way, they did ! :-)
Matthew Le God Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 How often do Rangers or Celtic compete reasonably or at all well in the Champions League group stages ? Didnt UEFA drop a place for Scottish teams from two to one cos they were so abysmal every year ? The answer to that is yes by the way, they did ! :-) They do a lot better than any mid table Championship side would! Rangers made the final of the Europa League in 2008. Both Old Firm teams have some notable wins in the Champions League, none of which a mid table Championship side would.
SuperMikey Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Rangers and Celtic are easily the same size clubs as Liverpool etc, even if they don't have the same history or as good a squad. If a 2-tier Premier League is implemented I would like to see them in it. After all, the English Leagues contain Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham. Not that much of a leap to include a few Scottish clubs as well.
Junction 9 Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 I didn't think it was a bad game, Stoke v Man city was hardly a classic.
Gorgiesaint Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Agree with the OP - Scottish football is ****e. Compare & contrast the L1 playoff game between Huddersfield & Bompey the other night with any SPL or Scottish Cup game. Don't even start on Rangers Europa League run the other year - they bored most of the opposition to death. Kris Commons has moved from being average at Derby in the lower half of the NPC to being one of the better players in the Celtic team, enough said really. And with all the grief that comes with them, would not want them anywhere near the English Leagues - but for arguments sake they would fit in at mid-table NPC level and withtheir support would probably become mid-table Premier League teams quite quickly
Appy Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 They do a lot better than any mid table Championship side would! Rangers made the final of the Europa League in 2008. Both Old Firm teams have some notable wins in the Champions League, none of which a mid table Championship side would. Yeah Celtic beat Manchester United 1-0, a team like Burnley could never do that.
Griffo Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Wouldn't mind Rangers in the Football League. Celtic can **** off.
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Many people underestimate the size of Rangers and Celtic, they are both massive clubs who would be top 4 contenders in they played in the PL. However, their games are the only reason to watch scottish football, the Queens 11 v the Fenian c*nts.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 What a wonderful opportunity it would be for those EDL/BNP based fans! A chance to practice sectarianism.
Professor Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 They'll be dancing in the streets of St Mirren with the Saints avoiding the drop from the SPL but it'll be quieter in the pubs of Raith, where a good season for the Rovers still leaves them second in Div.1 and missing out on promotion. Mind you, its hard to find these places on the map.......
Huntingdon Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 I thought Motherwell looked a very poor side It's almost impossible to compete against two clubs with average gates over 40k when everyone else struggles to gets above L1 averages I'd hate to see Celtic & Rangers in English football though, we don't need them or their sectarian garbage
stanthemanfairoak Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 what do you know about football ? child of 1976.
stanthemanfairoak Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 (edited) Wouldn't mind Rangers in the Football League. Celtic can **** off .SAD ACT GRIFFO. Edited 22 May, 2011 by stanthemanfairoak
Neilza Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 Obviously Watford and the like would struggle, but they've never had a chance so you can't really use them. As for them being top 8 clubs, with the squads they currently have, they would finish in the bottom 6. Every club would be able to attract better players if they moved to the prem.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 I was at the game. Father in law is a Motherwell fan and i go to Fir Park to watch the Steelmen a few times this season. Yesterdays game reminded me of 2003 when Strachan dropped Fernandes in order to play Baird and be more more defensive hoping not to get thrashed. Stuart McCall played left back Hammel in midfield with one striker Sutton left up front alone. Motherwell have some promising young players who didn't perform on the day. Celtic were not much better but a poor ref helping them. First visit to Hampden Park and was quite impressed despite having to walk miles after parking and no alcohol on sale inside the ground.
Dalek2003 Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 So you think mid table Championship sides like Barnsley and Watford could get to the final of the Europa League and compete reasonably well in the Champions League group stages? If Celtic and Rangers moved to the Premier League they would both become top 8 clubs easily. Their fanbases and stadiums would put them very high up compared to English clubs, they would benefit from the extra money the Premier League has and the appeal of attracting players to the league. Will never happen though. I was talking about the present not what might be in the future.
saints-cris Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 They're both big clubs for sure, but their players really arent all that. Its such a pointless league, Rangers n Celtic grab everything whilst the rest try to play catch up. Just look at who Celtic bought in the Summer, hardly Premier League standard. Samaras has been there a few years, is a stud there but was a huge flop in the Prem.
farawaysaint Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 They're both big clubs for sure, but their players really arent all that. Its such a pointless league, Rangers n Celtic grab everything whilst the rest try to play catch up. Just look at who Celtic bought in the Summer, hardly Premier League standard. Samaras has been there a few years, is a stud there but was a huge flop in the Prem. To be fair, he's only 26 he still has a lot in him
sadoldgit Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 With Swansea in with a chance of playing in the Prem next season it has prompted the muppets on TalkSport to start going on aout Celtic and Rangers being let into the Prem. Thing is Swansea (and Cardiff) have been part of the Football League for donkeys years, so they are entitled. If Celtic and Rangers want to start at the bottom and work their way up, ok. Can you imaigine if we let them in and they both got relegated in their first season! Frankly if we are going to let teams walk staright in without getting promoted would you rather choose Ral Madrid and Barcelona?
dubai_phil Posted 22 May, 2011 Posted 22 May, 2011 With Swansea in with a chance of playing in the Prem next season it has prompted the muppets on TalkSport to start going on aout Celtic and Rangers being let into the Prem. Thing is Swansea (and Cardiff) have been part of the Football League for donkeys years, so they are entitled. If Celtic and Rangers want to start at the bottom and work their way up, ok. Can you imaigine if we let them in and they both got relegated in their first season! Frankly if we are going to let teams walk staright in without getting promoted would you rather choose Ral Madrid and Barcelona? Much better idea. Find a couple of failing FL clubs and Franchise FC them straight into the NPC. They can start by francising Poopey into Rangers - wouldn't have to even change the kit and puts the few out of their misery. As for the green lot, well MKD like Franchising
This Charming Man Posted 23 May, 2011 Posted 23 May, 2011 Yes Rangers and Septic's squads aren't great but playing in the SPL severely restricts the quality of players they can bring in and the money they can generate. If they were to ever move to the Premiership (which I'm against), they would easily be top 8 sides, as they'll be able to attract/afford a better calibre of player. I think people down here under-estimate the sheer size of Rangers and Septic. They're massive, massive clubs with huge worldwide fan bases, which dwarf the likes of Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle etc.
The9 Posted 23 May, 2011 Posted 23 May, 2011 (edited) Rangers and Celtic are easily the same size clubs as Liverpool etc, even if they don't have the same history or as good a squad. If a 2-tier Premier League is implemented I would like to see them in it. After all, the English Leagues contain Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham. Not that much of a leap to include a few Scottish clubs as well. A bit more of a leap when you consider the Welsh clubs all originally joined before 1920 and the FAW didn't have its own league until 1992, whilst the Scottish League is the second oldest in the world. Even now there's a bit of an anomaly with the FAW doing all of the disciplinary stuff for the welsh clubs in English leagues and cups, it's recently led to the FAW having the opportunity to overturn red cards for a Cardiff City player to not miss the FA Cup Final and a Swansea City player to not miss the Championship Play-Off Semi-Final and Final for a place in the Premier League, which is all a bit dripping with self-interest (though they only overturned one of them). Just because I can shoehorn it in, just over 30 years ago Newport County played in the equivalent of a Europa League quarter final whilst playing in the equivalent of modern-day League One. They failed to finish in the (Div 3) top 3 that season. One other issue of course, is that England and Wales share the same legal system, whilst Scotland don't. Not sure how that would have any bearing, given Gretna and Berwick Rangers, but I'm sure it causes some weird anomalies somewhere along the line. And then there's the old "international clearance" that teams need to sign players from the same division but a different country - but if Newport can cope with it I'm sure anyone can. Edited 23 May, 2011 by The9
Crab Lungs Posted 23 May, 2011 Posted 23 May, 2011 I thought Motherwell looked a very poor side Having Stuart McCall as your manager doesn't help!
OttawaSaint Posted 23 May, 2011 Posted 23 May, 2011 *YAWN* We get it, you hate Scotland and Scottish people, you can stop making so many threads about it.
Griffo Posted 23 May, 2011 Posted 23 May, 2011 A bit more of a leap when you consider the Welsh clubs all originally joined before 1920 and the FAW didn't have its own league until 1992, whilst the Scottish League is the second oldest in the world. Even now there's a bit of an anomaly with the FAW doing all of the disciplinary stuff for the welsh clubs in English leagues and cups, it's recently led to the FAW having the opportunity to overturn red cards for a Cardiff City player to not miss the FA Cup Final and a Swansea City player to not miss the Championship Play-Off Semi-Final and Final for a place in the Premier League, which is all a bit dripping with self-interest (though they only overturned one of them). Just because I can shoehorn it in, just over 30 years ago Newport County played in the equivalent of a Europa League quarter final whilst playing in the equivalent of modern-day League One. They failed to finish in the (Div 3) top 3 that season. One other issue of course, is that England and Wales share the same legal system, whilst Scotland don't. Not sure how that would have any bearing, given Gretna and Berwick Rangers, but I'm sure it causes some weird anomalies somewhere along the line. And then there's the old "international clearance" that teams need to sign players from the same division but a different country - but if Newport can cope with it I'm sure anyone can. I think very recently the Welsh teams have changed to the FA rather than the FAW.
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