revolution saint Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 DeGale Vs Groves stands out tonight and should be a good fight - personally think that DeGale will win and is rightly favourite. However, Groves has a good camp with David Haye and his trainer has a good record. Can't help thinking this will go the same way as when Maccaranelli met Haye and came out comprehensively second best though. Not holding out much hope on the Cleverly fight being that good - 3rd opponent in a week and 10 years younger and a better record suggests Cleverly should take this one comfortably. There's some good bets around though - Paddy Power are offering 5/1 on a KO for NC in rounds 1-3, and 3/1 in rounds 4-6. I really can't see it going beyond 6 rounds either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 DeGale will win but I can't stand him. Hope Groves wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Degale and Cleverly wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Been looking forward to Degale vs Groves for ages. I think Degale will win but it will be a great fight. For me Groves is just too easy to hit, something proved by his fight against Kenny Anderson, and Degale's power and accuracy will tell. Degale looks really good so far and I was most impressed with his win over Paul Smith. Along with Kell Brook and Frankie Gavin we have some pretty amazing prospects at the moment. Cleverly will win at a canter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I think Groves will surprise a few people. I rate De Gale and he looks a decent prospect but I don't think he has the raw power of Groves. If Groves lands early on then De Gale will lose. The longer the fight goes on I think De Gale has more of a chance. At the end of the day De Gale's chin is untested and no one knows how he will react when he gets hit by a proper punch. Groves has picked himself off the floor and one already; De Gale whilst looking good is an unknown in this area. Groves in 4 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 21 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2011 DeGale will win but I can't stand him. Hope Groves wins. I agree although I've gone for a DeGale win in rounds 4-6, which has been a lucky bet for me recently. I think DeGale is the better prospect and boxer but would be good to see Groves win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Not a fan of boxing but saw the press conference between DeGale and Groves on SSN the other day - what a cocky c*nt DeGale is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Can't stand DeGale, nothing wrong with being confident, but you have to also earn respect, and he is too mouthy for doing so little in his career so far. any streams for this by the way.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Can't believe this is still a ppv to be honest. Groves is not a bad fighter. Has a lot of heart and can't fault his effort. A bit like Matthew Hatton. He will get beat up, get knocked down, but will try to keep going. He won't do a Fraudley. Degale has massive potential. The question is will he realise that potential or throw it all away like so many as soon as he gets the big pay cheques? He is a bit of a **** there is no doubt about that and i really would love to see Groves beat him but you have to say it is a longshot. However Degale does not have huge power in his punches and he does get caught a fair bit. If Groves can land a bomb you never know what could happen. But as much as i'd love that to happen i can see the ref calling it off in later rounds in Degales favour. Our refs seem so quick to end fights these days which is a bit sad. The Khan fight was a disgrace. As for streams i think they will have it on here at somepoint http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Epic fight, truely epic! groves deserved it because Degale should of had a point deducted for one of his three elbows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 ha ha at DeGale, shame they can't hold him to his pre fight bet of winner takes all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Brilliant from Groves. Didn't think he had that type of performance in him. Got to say it's quality for British boxing to see 2 relative novices in such a big fight, looked like an incredible atmosphere in the arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 ha ha at DeGale, shame they can't hold him to his pre fight bet of winner takes all Yes shame the mouthy c--t.....Christ that was close. Had £40 on Groves to win at anytime @11-4 so get in there £150 back but l did say l share it with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 The laughable thing is that Frank Warren reckons that everyone believes that Groves didn't win, I've yet to speak to anyone that thinks he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Can't stand DeGale, nothing wrong with being confident, but you have to also earn respect, and he is too mouthy for doing so little in his career so far. any streams for this by the way.? I wholeheartedly agree. DeGale is a supercilious t**t and needs to be taken down a peg, Sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2011 The laughable thing is that Frank Warren reckons that everyone believes that Groves didn't win, I've yet to speak to anyone that thinks he didn't. To be honest although I'm glad that Groves won I actually did think DeGale won it. It was unbelievably close though and neither boxer can really argue if it had gone against them. What it did demonstrate though is how good a coach Adam Booth is - he seems to be like an English Freddie Roach in that he comes up with an effective plan against any fighter his boxers come up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 To be honest although I'm glad that Groves won I actually did think DeGale won it. It was unbelievably close though and neither boxer can really argue if it had gone against them. What it did demonstrate though is how good a coach Adam Booth is - he seems to be like an English Freddie Roach in that he comes up with an effective plan against any fighter his boxers come up against. I have to say I knew people were dismissing and playing down Groves chances but I did not think he had that performance in his locker at this stage of his career. I thought his best chance would come early on as I thought Degale would be pretty open and Groves could land one of his bombs I thought De Gale’s chin up to now was untested. You are right about Booth the master tactician. I thought Groves edged it as I don't think he lost a round in the first half of the fight and he managed to nick one in the last half. He dominated De Gale who in my opinion did not turn up until late on. I thought the occasion got to De Gale and he didn’t not handle the pressure at all. I think those that think De Gale won are looking through rose tinted glasses at the fact he won the last few rounds and finished strongly. Where was he in the first half of the fight? Now I think they should both walk away work towards world title shots as I think they both have it in them to win one although it has to be said the super middleweight division is pretty strong and competitive. Then 3-4 years down the line a big rematch could be on the cards and who knows what the result of that would be then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Now I think they should both walk away work towards world title shots as I think they both have it in them to win one although it has to be said the super middleweight division is pretty strong and competitive. Then 3-4 years down the line a big rematch could be on the cards and who knows what the result of that would be then. Totally agree. Frank Warren will do what he does and try and cash in on a rematch as soon as possible. Degale will probably want it bad. But Groves has to hold off, there is no point having one right now. Before the fight and during the build up Degale was offered a title fight vs Robert Stieglitz. He declined. That title shot should now go to Groves. Hopefully the ginger nutter can win that fight too. A world title fight is more important then a rematch against a guy you have already beaten twice. In a way this could be the best thing for Degale. Maybe in the same way it has been for Khan. Degale talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk. He has to drop the arrogance thing now or he could be Audley Harrison all over again. British fans don't mind arrogance but you have to back that up. If you continue to be like that after you lost then the fans will never take to you. And Degale needs the fans. When he comes out and comments on the fight i think that will tell us who he will be, either the humbled Khan who vows to work harder and change his trainer/training camps and get rid of the hangers on. Or come out saying he was robbed and talk about destiny and how he is the best etc.. if he does that he is Fraudley part 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2011 I have to say I knew people were dismissing and playing down Groves chances but I did not think he had that performance in his locker at this stage of his career. I thought his best chance would come early on as I thought Degale would be pretty open and Groves could land one of his bombs I thought De Gale’s chin up to now was untested. You are right about Booth the master tactician. I thought Groves edged it as I don't think he lost a round in the first half of the fight and he managed to nick one in the last half. He dominated De Gale who in my opinion did not turn up until late on. I thought the occasion got to De Gale and he didn’t not handle the pressure at all. I think those that think De Gale won are looking through rose tinted glasses at the fact he won the last few rounds and finished strongly. Where was he in the first half of the fight? Now I think they should both walk away work towards world title shots as I think they both have it in them to win one although it has to be said the super middleweight division is pretty strong and competitive. Then 3-4 years down the line a big rematch could be on the cards and who knows what the result of that would be then. And Groves never threw a really hard punch so you still can't say DeGale chin has been tested......FWIW I had DeGale nicking two of the first six rounds - there were quite a few rounds that didn't have much action so it depends upon interpretation. I wanted Groves to win so perversely probably marked him down a bit if that makes sense. I agree with the other poster who says that this will be good for DeGale, in the same way it was for Khan. I also agree that Groves shouldn't go anywhere near a rematch - he doesn't have anything to gain by it (other than a shed load of money I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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