Ewell Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Holmes comes back to replace N'Guessen and Gobern/Morgan back to replace Stephens. 3 GK (Davis, Bart, Forecast) 3 RB (Butterfield, Richardson, Stephens) 4 CB (Fonte, Jaidi, Martin, Seaborne) 4 LB (Harding, Dickson, Mills, Reeves) 2 LM (Lallana, Holmes) 2 RM (Guly, Chamberlain) 4 CB (Hammond, Morgan, Chaplow, Gobern) 5 CF (Lambert, Barnard, Connelly, Forte, Noble) The squad looks about the right size to me with Mills possibly leaving. Lallana, Guly, Forte and Dickson offer some extra cover. If we are going to bring a CM in, then Gobern will leave won't he? Up front relies on Connelly being fit otherwise we might be stretched. The same applies at left midfield with Holmes, although Dickson does OK there. Noble to get a full season out on loan? Who the hell is Noble? We also look overloaded with CB's! ;-)
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Holmes comes back to replace N'Guessen and Gobern/Morgan back to replace Stephens. 3 GK (Davis, Bart, Forecast) 3 RB (Butterfield, Richardson, Stephens) 4 CB (Fonte, Jaidi, Martin, Seaborne) 4 LB (Harding, Dickson, Mills, Reeves) 2 LM (Lallana, Holmes) 2 RM (Guly, Chamberlain) 4 CB (Hammond, Morgan, Chaplow, Gobern) 5 CF (Lambert, Barnard, Connelly, Forte, Noble) The squad looks about the right size to me with Mills possibly leaving. Lallana, Guly, Forte and Dickson offer some extra cover. If we are going to bring a CM in, then Gobern will leave won't he? Up front relies on Connelly being fit otherwise we might be stretched. The same applies at left midfield with Holmes, although Dickson does OK there. Noble to get a full season out on loan? That squad is big enough, and I suspect good enough for top half. However, top positions in championship is a much more attractive option than league 1 so hope we are looking at adding real quality if we can. If Ox-C stays I cannot see how we could realistically improve wide midfield at all. Think defence are all pretty good - maybe CB but as renewed Jaidi and Martin that is 4 - so unless someone leaving or being loaned out not sure we are looking there. Good teams often have real stars in CM and CF. I hope that Morgan and Lambert could do that - but would like real quality, experienced but still at peak players for these positions.
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 nickg we would have to add quality to challenge for top 6....for sure
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 don't think squad will stay the same so not much point in predicting, but reckon we are around a 6th to 10th team if things went well. Two top quality signings and we should be very optimistic.
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 I don't want to start another Chamberlain debate on this thread, but I can see him leaving so that will require a replacement. I'd like to see Lee Cook brought in to challenge Lallana. I don't rate Holmes at all. I'd like Martin out on loan and Dawson bought from WBA. He's never going to get a chance there. I'd take Scumball for a season. If Chamberlain leaves then I'd throw money at Huddersfield for Pilkington. Losing Alex will hurt us big style as we will need real quality to win at this higher level. Right midfield cover is an issue also. I am far from convinced Guly is happy to play out there. But we need to be careful about a too big squad. I worry that Barnard does not have the quality for the second tier. CMS won't come here and I wonder how much we are will to pay for a Lita or a Nugent? Doble out on loan for the season creates a space. And that just leaves CM. Gobern out on loan and a top notch replacement (forward running) midfield comes in to challenge Chaplow
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Who the hell is Noble? We also look overloaded with CB's! ;-) a faster version of Doble?
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 nickg we would have to add quality to challenge for top 6....for sure agreed. I know a lot of teams coming up have done well in the NPC, but they have all upgraded their first team. We don't look like we are going to. We'll either keep the momentum going or get found out in a few places. The better quality strikers will punish our mistakes much more. Players we thought were top notch will start to show a few weaknesses (pace in Barnard, Butterfield, Jaidi and Hammond's case, arial ability in Butterfield, Seaborne and maybe Lambert's case). The higher you go the better quality you need. If you didn't fancy Gobern, Seaborne or Forte in league 1, then will they be stars in the NPC?
benjii Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 We need a mobile, forward moving CM, a good striker and maybe a right back. We will also, I predict, recruit some sort of X-Factor from the Italian leagues.
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 agreed. I know a lot of teams coming up have done well in the NPC, but they have all upgraded their first team. We don't look like we are going to. We'll either keep the momentum going or get found out in a few places. The better quality strikers will punish our mistakes much more. Players we thought were top notch will start to show a few weaknesses (pace in Barnard, Butterfield, Jaidi and Hammond's case, arial ability in Butterfield, Seaborne and maybe Lambert's case). The higher you go the better quality you need. If you didn't fancy Gobern, Seaborne or Forte in league 1, then will they be stars in the NPC? sorry, but how can you say that..?
benjii Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 agreed. I know a lot of teams coming up have done well in the NPC, but they have all upgraded their first team. We don't look like we are going to. We'll either keep the momentum going or get found out in a few places. The better quality strikers will punish our mistakes much more. Players we thought were top notch will start to show a few weaknesses (pace in Barnard, Butterfield, Jaidi and Hammond's case, arial ability in Butterfield, Seaborne and maybe Lambert's case). The higher you go the better quality you need. If you didn't fancy Gobern, Seaborne or Forte in league 1, then will they be stars in the NPC? How can you say it doesn't look like we'll upgrade? Bizarre view to have arrived at.
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 How can you say it doesn't look like we'll upgrade? Bizarre view to have arrived at. totally agree...its may 21st... how do we know the likes of martin and seaborne wont be loaned out we saw last season how important the squad is..and the NPC is far more competitive and frantic...we will need a big squad with decent quality for a top half finish
labibs Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 I think we could definitely do with a wide player. How many games did Lallana and AOC miss this season between them? 20 or so? They are obviously first choice, but you can't guarantee they will be fit for every game. We would look a lot weaker lining up with Holmes and Guly on the wings. Would love to see Martin go on loan, maybe a loan until christmas at a L1 side to see how he gets on? I would like to see Gobern get another deal and go on loan as well, he needs a run of games to see if he can progress
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 You are right we will bring players in, I should have rephrased that to say bring quite a few in. I just felt thought that because we were offering new deals to squad players like Gobern, Connelly and Martin it suggested we were happy with the first 11. If we were going to bring in 5 or 6 you'd let the out of contract squad players go.
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 You are right we will bring players in, I should have rephrased that to say bring quite a few in. I just felt thought that because we were offering new deals to squad players like Gobern, Connelly and Martin it suggested we were happy with the first 11. If we were going to bring in 5 or 6 you'd let the out of contract squad players go. again, no it does not
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 totally agree...its may 21st... calm your skin down. I'm not Alpine crying about the lack of signings or doubting the board etc. I'm a total realist when it comes to signings and have been a poster that has constantly defended the manager when early signings have not been made as I know how tough it can be to bring players in.
Saint Charlie Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 The one year deals make sense. Hope Connolly stays for a year and Gobern is let go to find a L1 club - just not quite good enough sadly!
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 calm your skin down. I'm not Alpine crying about the lack of signings or doubting the board etc. I'm a total realist when it comes to signings and have been a poster that has constantly defended the manager when early signings have not been made as I know how tough it can be to bring players in. i just cant see how you can say that offering players who dont feature in the first team much new contracts mean we are now happy with the first 11
Deppo Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Pulis was playing with the first team and Pardew mentioned him a couple of times pre-season. So how close do you think he came to the first team? He got injured when he started to play friendlies.
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 again, no it does not You are probably right. I do have a valid point somewhere in there but 2 hours sleep prevents me finding the words to explain myself.
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 (edited) i just cant see how you can say that offering players who dont feature in the first team much new contracts mean we are now happy with the first 11 Ok for arguement's sake we sign Dawson. Why would we offer Martin a new one year deal? We'd have 5 centre backs when we only need 4. If we signed Dawson he'd be first/second choice with Fonte and then Jaidi would slip into the 2nd/3rd choice and Seaborne 4th. Would it not make sense to allow Martin to just leave? By resigning the fringe/squad players like Gobern it doesn't leave huge gaps to fill. That is what I was trying to say. As I said you are right, we'll sign some new players, top notch hopefully, just not quite as many as I thought we might. Edited 21 May, 2011 by Chez
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Ok for arguement's sake we sign Dawson. Why would we offer Martin a new one year deal? We'd have 5 centre backs when we only need 4. If we signed Dawson he'd be first/second choice with Fonte and then Jaidi would slip into the 2nd/3rd choice and Seaborne 4th. Would it not make sense to allow Martin to just leave? By resigning the fringe/squad players like Gobern it doesn't leave huge gaps to fill. That is what I was trying to say. maybe the club see martin for the future......why offer jaidi a one year deal..maybe the club are not sure martin is even good enough.. maybe the club will sign martin and look to get him on loan for the season
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 (edited) calm your skin down. I'm not Alpine crying about the lack of signings or doubting the board etc. I'm a total realist when it comes to signings and have been a poster that has constantly defended the manager when early signings have not been made as I know how tough it can be to bring players in. Norwich's first signings was 25 May last year and we are told on here they needed a major overhaul. As retained lists are drawn up we may start seeing movement but we are still weeks away from the busy part for transfers Edited 21 May, 2011 by NickG
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 maybe the club see martin for the future......why offer jaidi a one year deal..maybe the club are not sure martin is even good enough.. maybe the club will sign martin and look to get him on loan for the season maybe.
Lets B Avenue Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Pulis was playing with the first team and Pardew mentioned him a couple of times pre-season. So how close do you think he came to the first team? He got injured when he started to play friendlies. FFS. He's gone. Get over him.
Chez Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Norwich's first signings was 25 May last year and we are told on here they did needed a major overhaul. As retained lists are drawn up we may start seeing movement but we are still weeks away from the busy part for transfers we don't need a massive overhaul. 4 players in, with a couple out on loan assuming Nigel doesn't want to offload anyone who is under contract.
paulwantsapint Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 I see 1st choice lcb - Jaidi rcb- Fonte 2nd choice lcb- seaborne rcb- Martin Fonte has been lucky with injuries only missing games when banned Would not be surprised if NA looks to promote players from youth/reserves into 1st team squad for preseason I think he would have liked to have tried out a few in last couple of months but getting promotion was the 1st target
Colbury Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Martin and Gobern to go out on loan. Seabourne to leave. A CB and CM to come in. Possibly a CF also.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Just because we retain players doesnt necessairly mean they will stay. We obviously want anyone we can get a fee for under contract.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Good news. Especially about getting shot of the imposter Pulis - has to be in the top 3 most ridiculous signings ever for Saints.
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Good news. Especially about getting shot of the imposter Pulis - has to be in the top 3 most ridiculous signings ever for Saints. not really..can think of so many worse.
MerceSaint28 Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Guys stop kidding yourselves. I have read 2 pages of this drivel. The squad is nowhere near strong to compete with the top half teams in the championship. Look at reading, Cardiff, Leicester etc packed with ex perm players with power and pace. Some of you get far too sentimental about players in our squad, simple fact is there are some not good enough I'm afraid. The automatic contracts are clearly triggered by promotion so does not mean the players will not leave. Martin and gobern would need to go out on loan as they are not going to be realistic first team. Seabourne, mills, puncheon, forecast and possibly forte will be shown the door and I have my doubts we will hold on to Alex. Are people forgetting the words of our new European scout.....6 players needed Centre back - a decent partner for fonte Centre mid - a quality champ player next to Morgan Centre forward - a pacey striker alongside Ricky Left mid - back up for lallana as holmes will probably be let go Right mid - replacement for Alex That is where we build people
Danbert Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Have to say I completely agree with Chez and am disappointed at that retained list. I can't see the point in keeping players like Gobern and Martin and I'd been expecting them to be released to free up space for new signings. I also worry about Barnard as I think he'll get found out in the Championship.
Fan The Flames Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 If Saints were to do a Norwich they may not be needed long term so no point burdening the club with long contracts ala Forecast. So if Saints get a ****ed TV cook as a chair person we wouldn't want long contracts for players, I don't get it.
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Have to say I completely agree with Chez and am disappointed at that retained list. I can't see the point in keeping players like Gobern and Martin and I'd been expecting them to be released to free up space for new signings. I also worry about Barnard as I think he'll get found out in the Championship. So you dont think it's important to develop young players? Have you seen Martin play?
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Guys stop kidding yourselves. I have read 2 pages of this drivel. The squad is nowhere near strong to compete with the top half teams in the championship. Look at reading, Cardiff, Leicester etc packed with ex perm players with power and pace. who finished below Norwich who we beat last season twice, we have strengthened since and do not have a squad of ex-prem sides!
Fan The Flames Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Have to say I completely agree with Chez and am disappointed at that retained list. I can't see the point in keeping players like Gobern and Martin and I'd been expecting them to be released to free up space for new signings. I also worry about Barnard as I think he'll get found out in the Championship. Just because they have been retained doesn't mean we can't sell them. The released players are the ones we think have no future at SFC, have no value or by releasing them it is helping them find a new club. The ones we keep have value to SFC as a player or as cash.
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 who finished below Norwich who we beat last season twice, we have strengthened since and do not have a squad of ex-prem sides! nick give it a rest.. norwich signed a shed load of players.. and if we want to finish top 6 we would need to strengthen with power and pace through the middle of the team
SNOWY Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Assuming Gobern & Connolly sign we do not lack numbers. So this summer I feel the emphasis will be on bringing in "quality" I'd be suprised if we signed more than 3 players on permanent deals. We will be better placed as a championship club to attract better quality loanees.
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 LOL @ this thread, the season for us finished just under 2 weeks ago, the whole season in England has not yet finished yet, the transfer window doesn't open for another 6 weeks. I cant see any other club in the country signing a a player yet, although i am sure Nick G or someone of his ilk can find a couple of clubs that have made a signing. Yet already people are saying we look like we aren't going to strengthen or upgrade our squad, you couldn't make it up, whilst others are saying we are signing Micheal Owen, only on The Saints Web, FFS.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Good news. Especially about getting shot of the imposter Pulis - has to be in the top 3 most ridiculous signings ever for Saints. Taking Pulis from Stoke helped us to obtain 1.3 million or so for Andrew Davies.We probably paid Pulis a couple of K a week, Davies on the other hand has probably taken Stoke (and or the clubs they loaned him to) for about 10K a week for 3 years,he's played about 25 games in that time.There's a(sterling?) silver lining to every cloud you know.
Danbert Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 who finished below Norwich who we beat last season twice, we have strengthened since and do not have a squad of ex-prem sides! Norwich brought in five or six new players after being promoted. If they'd just kept their League 1 squad they'd never've done it. IMHO.
Danbert Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Just because they have been retained doesn't mean we can't sell them. The released players are the ones we think have no future at SFC, have no value or by releasing them it is helping them find a new club. The ones we keep have value to SFC as a player or as cash. I'd like to share your optimism but do you seriously think they're worth anything? They're probably already on higher wages than most League 1 clubs can afford and most League 1 clubs hardly ever pay for players anyway.
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 nick give it a rest.. norwich signed a shed load of players.. and if we want to finish top 6 we would need to strengthen with power and pace through the middle of the team it was valid point - poster implied we need a team packed with ex-prem stars, we don't. Have said before, assuming no-one leaves, to be top 5 side we need to make 2 or 3 top quality signings at least. If not we are likely to be 6 to 10th ish. No need to get arsey!
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 LOL @ this thread, the season for us finished just under 2 weeks ago, the whole season in England has not yet finished yet, the transfer window doesn't open for another 6 weeks. I cant see any other club in the country signing a a player yet, although i am sure Nick G or someone of his ilk can find a couple of clubs that have made a signing. Yet already people are saying we look like we aren't going to strengthen or upgrade our squad, you couldn't make it up, whilst others are saying we are signing Micheal Owen, only on The Saints Web, FFS. Brighton - but have also lost their top scorer!
NickG Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Norwich brought in five or six new players after being promoted. If they'd just kept their League 1 squad they'd never've done it. IMHO. where had those 6 player been playing?
Saint_clark Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 LOL @ this thread, the season for us finished just under 2 weeks ago, the whole season in England has not yet finished yet, the transfer window doesn't open for another 6 weeks. I cant see any other club in the country signing a a player yet, although i am sure Nick G or someone of his ilk can find a couple of clubs that have made a signing. Yet already people are saying we look like we aren't going to strengthen or upgrade our squad, you couldn't make it up, whilst others are saying we are signing Micheal Owen, only on The Saints Web, FFS. Seriously...? Where was that?
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Seriously...? Where was that? Chez, post 59 on this thread "I know a lot of teams coming up have done well in the NPC, but they have all upgraded their first team. We don't look like we are going to"
kelkel31 Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 Guys stop kidding yourselves. I have read 2 pages of this drivel. The squad is nowhere near strong to compete with the top half teams in the championship. Look at reading, Cardiff, Leicester etc packed with ex perm players with power and pace. Some of you get far too sentimental about players in our squad, simple fact is there are some not good enough I'm afraid. The automatic contracts are clearly triggered by promotion so does not mean the players will not leave. Martin and gobern would need to go out on loan as they are not going to be realistic first team. Seabourne, mills, puncheon, forecast and possibly forte will be shown the door and I have my doubts we will hold on to Alex. Are people forgetting the words of our new European scout.....6 players needed Centre back - a decent partner for fonte Centre mid - a quality champ player next to Morgan Centre forward - a pacey striker alongside Ricky Left mid - back up for lallana as holmes will probably be let go Right mid - replacement for Alex That is where we build people first person to get it almost spot on although id rate a fit holmes as more than adequate cover with dickson. so id add another CM(i.e 2) as i dont think either hammond or chaplow can take us to the top levels and if alex goes id be looking at a starting RM. 6 signings looks right with 3 of them for playing 30+ games, thats if the target is to go for the top 6.
sfc4prem Posted 21 May, 2011 Posted 21 May, 2011 I don't want to start another Chamberlain debate on this thread, but I can see him leaving so that will require a replacement. I'd like to see Lee Cook brought in to challenge Lallana. I don't rate Holmes at all. I'd like Martin out on loan and Dawson bought from WBA. He's never going to get a chance there. I'd take Scumball for a season. If Chamberlain leaves then I'd throw money at Huddersfield for Pilkington. Losing Alex will hurt us big style as we will need real quality to win at this higher level. Right midfield cover is an issue also. I am far from convinced Guly is happy to play out there. But we need to be careful about a too big squad. I worry that Barnard does not have the quality for the second tier. CMS won't come here and I wonder how much we are will to pay for a Lita or a Nugent? Doble out on loan for the season creates a space. And that just leaves CM. Gobern out on loan and a top notch replacement (forward running) midfield comes in to challenge Chaplow Lee Cook has been crippled by injuries and has no pace as a result. He's over the hill. No thank you, we should be aiming higher than him.
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