paulwantsapint Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Am sure idea with jr was that prutton would do the running & let jr pass the ball like a quarter back Problem was that prutton lost his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Due to so many marginal incidents (late goals in abundance), we were relegated. A goal or two swing either way and we'd have been comfortably above the relegation places that season and Harry wouldn't be as vilified as he is on here. I too believe he did like us but was probably not allowed to "manage" in his own style because of Lowe (rightly or wrongly, morally, I'd say rightly so). However, I think if RL had cut him just a little more slack then we might have had 1-2 more players that'd have helped. Ah well, never mind! What a total misrepresentation of history, even Stalin would had second thoughts on that one. That satchel faced thwat only took the Saints job because of his spat with Mandaric and regretted it from the first minute. When he was presented to the press and held out the saints scarf, if was as if someone had swapped his head for a beetroot it was that red. Just someone who half cared could have kept us up that season, the lowest points total on record to achieve safety. Managers are there to influene our players such to make those small differences, instead of hiding his head or running off down the tunnel to avoid the reality. Just installing some discipline from the dug out would of kept us up, but the whole show was a rabble going back to that twitchy faced fraud. Crouch being red carded for the final games was just the icing on the cake. Lowe gave Redknapp access to close to £4.5M in the January window, with bids in for Reid and Dawson at Notts Forest never coming off. You can blame Lowe for lots of things, but he had fook all to do with that. At the end of the day he got outdone by that tactical genius Bryan Robson, who never had a pot to **** in during the January window. As much as I don't blame Jamie, what use is a walking crock who could only deliver for half a game max. Yep he looked good, but that was about it and when you had a whole team of crocks the priority was to get someone who could influence games regulary, not now and then for 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 20 May, 2011 Share Posted 20 May, 2011 Effort was there but he was gash and lucky not to be sent off on several occasions. but even at 50%, he was better than anything else we had at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 A number of that squad are still plying their trade in the premiership and we had a great youth set up in those days. If only Redknapp had spent that £6m more wisely. Davenport was a HUGE mistake. In retrospect hiring Redknapp was probably the biggest mistake though. I couldn't get over the way he talked about us in the third person and many of his decisions (as noted above) defied belief. The thumbs up to Mandaric after the humiliation down the road was bizarre to say the least. Still, we had flirted with relegation for a number of years and clubs like us will always struggle against the Man Us and Arsenals financially - and money is what the Prem is all about. If we do get back up there staying there will not be easy and maybe we should be more thankful for the years we spent there than regretful for the years we haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Still, we had flirted with relegation for a number of years and clubs like us will always struggle against the Man Us and Arsenals financially - and money is what the Prem is all about. If we do get back up there staying there will not be easy and maybe we should be more thankful for the years we spent there than regretful for the years we haven't. Well put. Perhaps we should not have gone down that season but really we should have been relegated on a few previous occasions. Also winning promotion to the Prem and Prem stability (if there is such a thing outside of the top 4) are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Not ideal having to play United in your last game and win to stay up..but tis done now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Nice article Jamie. Particularly like the way he praises the club and the fans and says 'my club Southampton' - shows that, even though he wasn't with us for long, he was committed and was a great professional. Weird to think that he's Harry's son sometimes. You shouldn't spend the rest of your life knocking Harry Redknapp. He'e done well when given a free hand, the real trouble here was the constant meddling in team affairs by the Great Lord Duckhunter and his refusal to open up the clubs purse strings and allow HR some room for manoeuvre on players coming in on loan or acquisitions. Still the Great Lord never did "get it", that ultimately it isn't about running a business from the bottom line it's about running a half decent football team. You eternal slaggers off of HR should respect the fact that he has taken Spurs a long way beyond their level and ours when we beat Spurs here twice in a week in our Cup Final Season of 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 What a total misrepresentation of history, even Stalin would had second thoughts on that one. That satchel faced thwat only took the Saints job because of his spat with Mandaric and regretted it from the first minute. When he was presented to the press and held out the saints scarf, if was as if someone had swapped his head for a beetroot it was that red. Just someone who half cared could have kept us up that season, the lowest points total on record to achieve safety. Managers are there to influene our players such to make those small differences, instead of hiding his head or running off down the tunnel to avoid the reality. Just installing some discipline from the dug out would of kept us up, but the whole show was a rabble going back to that twitchy faced fraud. Crouch being red carded for the final games was just the icing on the cake. Lowe gave Redknapp access to close to £4.5M in the January window, with bids in for Reid and Dawson at Notts Forest never coming off. You can blame Lowe for lots of things, but he had fook all to do with that. At the end of the day he got outdone by that tactical genius Bryan Robson, who never had a pot to **** in during the January window. As much as I don't blame Jamie, what use is a walking crock who could only deliver for half a game max. Yep he looked good, but that was about it and when you had a whole team of crocks the priority was to get someone who could influence games regulary, not now and then for 30 minutes. Believe me, I'm one of the very few who often defend Lowe so I wouldn't say I'm being unduly harsh on him. Irrespective, without the cash, Redknapp was 1-2 small (but ultimately game changing) factors away from keeping us up pretty comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 but even at 50%, he was better than anything else we had at the time Untrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Believe me, I'm one of the very few who often defend Lowe so I wouldn't say I'm being unduly harsh on him. Irrespective, without the cash, Redknapp was 1-2 small (but ultimately game changing) factors away from keeping us up pretty comfortably. I dont know really, what was clear was the team had no bottle. Throwing away a 2 goal lead at home to Villa, so many late goals conceded, totally bottling it at Fratton, looking at the players in the tunnel before the game they had lost before they'd even got on the pitch, a team in our position should have been fired up to shut them up. Bottling it at Blackburn, a limp performance in front of 3,500 travelling fans. There was no belief or fight in the team, thats what relegated us, not not spending £20m in the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 I think JR's a decent enough sort, he probably wouldn't like me very much though seeing as I'd like to sh*g his wife and slap his dad's face... Seriously though he injected some much-needed enthusiasm into a side which obviously couldn't care less. It just wasn't enough and, no, he wasn't fit enough to play a major part in a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Believe me, I'm one of the very few who often defend Lowe so I wouldn't say I'm being unduly harsh on him. Irrespective, without the cash, Redknapp was 1-2 small (but ultimately game changing) factors away from keeping us up pretty comfortably. This is not about defending Lowe, but the effect Redknapp had upon our relegation and there is no one to blame but that satchel faced thwat. Lowe was completely out of the way apart from backing satchel face to the hilt with the amount of transfer money in the window, in excess of all the other teams in that fight put together. Originally Posted by Crab Lungs I too believe he did like us but was probably not allowed to "manage" in his own style because of Lowe (rightly or wrongly, morally, I'd say rightly so). However, I think if RL had cut him just a little more slack then we might have had 1-2 more players that'd have helped. So when you make comments such as the above you are talking total ******. You can question whether Lowe was right to give all that money during that transfer window in trying to retain that premier position, because it left us with serious financial restraints the following season. Your comments may have a point the season after relegation, but during that relegation seaon satchel face never had anything but the full backing and support which dwarfed all other relegation candidates at the time. All Redknapp had to do was impart a very small amount of his managerial skills for our benefit and we would have stayed up, but he could not even do that. There were several games where just a modicum of managerial nous could have been employed that would have resulted in us staying up, but Redknapp did not want to be here and his whole demeanour affected his ability to do the job. You can rightly point the finger at Lowe before and after that end of that seasons relegation battle, but during that second half of our relegation season Redknapp had maximum backing, support and no interference. That was solely down to Redknapp alone where just the smallest of controlled thinking and execution would have kept us up. So many opportunities the list is endless, none of them taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 21 May, 2011 Share Posted 21 May, 2011 Yup fair play Jamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 A number of that squad are still plying their trade in the premiership and we had a great youth set up in those days. If only Redknapp had spent that £6m more wisely. Davenport was a HUGE mistake. In retrospect hiring Redknapp was probably the biggest mistake though. I couldn't get over the way he talked about us in the third person and many of his decisions (as noted above) defied belief. The thumbs up to Mandaric after the humiliation down the road was bizarre to say the least. Still, we had flirted with relegation for a number of years and clubs like us will always struggle against the Man Us and Arsenals financially - and money is what the Prem is all about. If we do get back up there staying there will not be easy and maybe we should be more thankful for the years we spent there than regretful for the years we haven't. Personally, I think giving Wigley the job, and keeping him in it for so long, was the biggest mistake. Lowe's judgement was seriously bad there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 May, 2011 Share Posted 22 May, 2011 Personally, I think giving Wigley the job, and keeping him in it for so long, was the biggest mistake. Lowe's judgement was seriously bad there. There was still enough time to turn things round though and Redknapp was handed a transfer budget, something that Wigley didn't have due to the ridiculous transfer window. Wigley may have been a mistake, but he did suffer with injuries to his key players. I thought Redknapp was the ideal choiseat the time but in retrospect he turned out to be a disaster for the club. He said himself that he didn't know what he was doing here. Lowe, not one to talk about his (many) managers in public said that Redkanpp as "difficult." He must have been hard to work with is he was worse than Souness! Claus was having a mare of a season and it ws quite clear that we were missing Killer. Wat does Arry do? Bring in that clown Davenport who managed to make Claus look good! As for his treatment of the kids - very shoddy. And not letting Woodward near the first team squad when we were desparate for inspiration was another ego driven mistake. I still don't think that Arry is as good and he and his chums in the media think he is. He has spent a lot of money at Spurs but they are still second rank to the "big" clubs. I would like to see him manage England though just to see if he could do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 24 May, 2011 Share Posted 24 May, 2011 There was always evidence that Harry Redknapp lied to either the fans of SFC or the fans of PFC (or both ;-)). After the relegation he told the Saints fans that he felt he had to make it right again and therefore he would try to take us up to the PrL again. But after leaving, he told the PFC fans that there wasn't a day where he didn't regret leaving them for SFC. So which was it? I always felt that Harry actually did like it at SFC and meant to clean up things when he stayed after the relegation - bringing in his son as a player hinted as much. However, as things worked out and he found himself back at PFC he had to tell the fans something to forgive him. In short: I think he was more into the SFC job than he is willing to admit now... I actually agree with this. Remember the main reason he fell out with Milan Mandaric and left the skates? Somebody (Avram Grant possibly, can't remember exactly) being brought in over his head and against his wishes. And then Lowe did the same thing bringing in Clive Woodward. And at least Grant was a football person. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Harry Redknapp after the way he left us, but I think had Lowe not brought in Woodward I don't think he'd have left the way he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 May, 2011 Share Posted 24 May, 2011 There was still enough time to turn things round though and Redknapp was handed a transfer budget, something that Wigley didn't have due to the ridiculous transfer window. Wigley may have been a mistake, but he did suffer with injuries to his key players. I thought Redknapp was the ideal choiseat the time but in retrospect he turned out to be a disaster for the club. He said himself that he didn't know what he was doing here. Lowe, not one to talk about his (many) managers in public said that Redkanpp as "difficult." He must have been hard to work with is he was worse than Souness! Claus was having a mare of a season and it ws quite clear that we were missing Killer. Wat does Arry do? Bring in that clown Davenport who managed to make Claus look good! As for his treatment of the kids - very shoddy. And not letting Woodward near the first team squad when we were desparate for inspiration was another ego driven mistake. I still don't think that Arry is as good and he and his chums in the media think he is. He has spent a lot of money at Spurs but they are still second rank to the "big" clubs. I would like to see him manage England though just to see if he could do the job. Davenport wasn't great whilst he was here, but Jakobsson should shoulder far more of the blame - he played 3-4 times more games than CD, I believe - and was equally atrocious (yet for some reason, he seems to slip under the radar of a lot of supporters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 26 May, 2011 Share Posted 26 May, 2011 but even at 50%, he was better than anything else we had at the time This is total nonsense - even unbelievable - he was really very poor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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