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Sorry mate, you're in the wrong place if you think did they right thing back then. The forum superstars on the lounge hate the Mail and all that it stands for. It's racist, evil, even been called the daily racist by some on here. Surely no one on this forum who hates the paper so passionately, believing it to be full of lies, racism and bigotary would support the mail running this story? That would be hypocritical wouldn't it?

 

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Interestingly it appears that since the conviction the Police have received more information about the case.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16413433

 

So is this a member of the public that has grown a pair of balls, or has one of the killers decided that he doesn't want

to share a cell with 'people of colour' for the next 15 years?

 

They've already said they were given the opportunity to tell the Police what happened in return for a possible shorter sentance after conviction. If they come clean it won't effect their current sentence. I'd say it's probably the public radio 5 said one of the others had recently left his long term girlfriend for someone else. Hell have no fury on a woman scorned.

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Turkish defending a racist. I'm so shocked.......

 

In any case I said that this thread AND countless others show Dune to be a racist. You follow?

 

I am not defending Dune, he is more than capable of taking care of himself. Simply stating a fact.

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Interestingly it appears that since the conviction the Police have received more information about the case.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16413433

 

So is this a member of the public that has grown a pair of balls, or has one of the killers decided that he doesn't want to share a cell with 'people of colour' for the next 15 years?

 

Wasn't the father of one of them a notorious gangland drug dealer? I wonder if some people who knew stuff were frightened of the consequences of giving information whilst the two of them were outside?

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Wasn't the father of one of them a notorious gangland drug dealer? I wonder if some people who knew stuff were frightened of the consequences of giving information whilst the two of them were outside?

 

He was a drug importer, he wouldn't be doing the dealing.

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Wasn't the father of one of them a notorious gangland drug dealer? I wonder if some people who knew stuff were frightened of the consequences of giving information whilst the two of them were outside?

 

Yes he was bridge too far, Martin Bashir on Newsnight said that his father was a 'gangland' figure.

 

Bashir, who interviewed one of the suspected 5 (can't remember which one), also suggested that it was possible that his father had contacts in the force and that he used those contacts in the first two weeks to help his son.

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it was possible that his father had contacts in the force and that he used those contacts in the first two weeks to help his son.

 

Good god, what utter nonsense. Yes mistakes were made, but this conspiracy theory is laughable.

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What what?

 

Some report on race relations in SE London and views on the convictions....some old guy felt the need to tell us that they had been "stiched up" because "some ni**** got done over". Charming.

 

Luckily I wasn't being serious with my post above, I'm not sure anyone normal particularly thinks like that.

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Some report on race relations in SE London and views on the convictions....some old guy felt the need to tell us that they had been "stiched up" because "some ni**** got done over". Charming.

 

Luckily I wasn't being serious with my post above, I'm not sure anyone normal particularly thinks like that.

 

That was uncalled for. I'm of the view that we have let too many foreigners into this country - that's a perfectly reasonable opinion. His wasn't - murder is murder. That said I do think the case against the two convicted is weak and could well be overturned on appeal.

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you should come to terms with the convictions of say......guilty terrorists that the scots let free to go running to libya...he is still guilty you know.....

 

WTF are you on about?

 

Besides, this is a thread about the murderers of Stephen Lawrence - not Megrahi, nor, luckily for you, those, like you, who advocate violence against women.

 

It's worth pointing out to those outside the capital that these convictions have a significance for Londoners especially, that goes beyond the events at the Old Bailey yesterday and today. The criminal gangs that terrorised communities were actually fostered to some degree by an incompetent, corrupt and occasionally violent Metropolitan police (The hacking scandal is just the latest to hit a profoundly dysfunctional and criminally infused police force). In other words, the very authorities that were supposed to protect Londoners made them more vulnerable - taking bribes from violent thugs like Clifford Norris and obstructing inquiries, victims and witnesses that came into contact with them. The Lawrence case highlighted the corruption to such a staggering degree that it forced the Met into reform.

 

Not enough of course - not yet, anyway. While in 1999, blacks were five times more likely than whites to be subject to stop-and-search, now the figure is seven times more likely. Things have, in this instance, actually got worse. But it is at least less likely now that someone - god forbid - in Neville Lawrence's position will be treated the way the Met did originally, when they accused him of being part of the problem, and generally regarded him and his wife as nuisances. Today, I doubt we'd have to wait for someone of the stature of Nelson Mandela to demand that plainly identified suspects be actually, like, arrested, and that evidence be sought.

 

The death of Stephen Lawrence, the Macpherson inquiry, and the hacking scandal are slowly rolling back the lid on the corruption and wilful incompetence that has been allowed fester in a uniquely unaccountable force.

 

Doreen Lawrence was undoubtedly right to say she felt no desire to celebrate after the convictions - after all, there are still at least three more murder suspects out there who need to be brought to justice, and what follows in the next few months will be a test of how far the Met has come But the verdict IS a reason for Londoners to celebrate. Now that there's a reasonable expectation that Met officers might arrest drug gangs rather than profit from them, the city just feels a little safer. Here's hoping.

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I see the Attorney-General is to review whether the sentences handed to the two men convicted of killing teenager Stephen Lawrence were "unduly lenient".

The review follows a request by a member of the public and comes after the trial judge, Mr Justice Treacy, suggested he would have doubled the minimum terms of Gary Dobson and David Norris if the law had allowed.

 

I was suprised that they were lenient. but then realised that they carried out the killing when they were teenagers and therefore got a teenagers sentence.

 

I was still suprised at this, As Michael Ross up here who was eventaully convicted of shooting an Indian Waiter up here when he was 15 back in 1994

The case was heard in 2008 and ross received a 25 year sentence. He is waiting for an appeal. Through no fault of his own his appeal been delayed on a number of occassions and is due to be heard sometime this year.

 

There must be one rule for the english and another for scotland when it comes to jail sentences for committing a crime when your underage. Any thoughts

 

Oh the Ross case has divided the community up here. The police involved were retired after the conclusion of the case and it is felt there has been a miscarriage of justice here and a lot of lies told. I know the police involved and Ross's family. Also know the former Marine armour who stole the ammunition that was allegedly used> I have know time for this person by the way.

but that has something to do with my deployment to Irag a few years ago. My relatives would not be allowed in the legion had I have lost my life over there. He was a committe member thats all I will say. he should have gone to Jail for stealing a couple of boxes of 9mm

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There must be one rule for the english and another for scotland when it comes to jail sentences for committing a crime when your underage.

 

I think there is, literally. England & Wales are different to Scotland and NI. For all the turbulence and hype around the case over many years people have forgotten they were 16 when the murder took place. 14 years for a 16 year old seems about right, but is lenient for them as grown men.

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I think there is, literally. England & Wales are different to Scotland and NI. For all the turbulence and hype around the case over many years people have forgotten they were 16 when the murder took place. 14 years for a 16 year old seems about right, but is lenient for them as grown men.
i agree but i think their avoidance and lies up to now has adults should have been taken nto account has mitigating circumstance .
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