STEVEADAMS Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 If I remember correctly, it would be the Kingsland, capable of 8k. With the Northam and Chapel capable of 5k each. the Itchen cannot be expanded. The council has indicated that it will bend over backwards to keep the stadium within the city, so I believe the planning issues can be smoothed over. I would imagine the club could just do one side first and see how demand settles out, then do the other/s should gates indicate a further demand. Personally I would guess that 40k would be ideal if we are successful. The club will require planning guarantees that an option for further stands will be nailed on should the first be successful, otherwise you could be far better off building a new purpose built stadium elsewhere. If we are to really be ambitious we should be lookingto move to a new site with land around it to build a stadium precinct complete with leisure facilities, sports facilities, hotels and retail. Similar to what we should of had at Stoneham and was a huge lost opportunity. Closer links to airport and rail would be good as well. The club needs additional income to propel the business forward and create something really special that can compete on the biggest stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Cannot see SMS being extended on the basis that we may play in the Champions league for a season or two. NC is a business man and he will need some idea of funding from the sale of season tickets. Rupes indicated we would have to sell 25K each year over 5 years for this to be realistic and viable and I would be inclined to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 If we are to really be ambitious we should be lookingto move to a new site with land around it to build a stadium precinct complete with leisure facilities, sports facilities, hotels and retail. Similar to what we should of had at Stoneham and was a huge lost opportunity. Closer links to airport and rail would be good as well. The club needs additional income to propel the business forward and create something really special that can compete on the biggest stage. the idea that stoneham had good transport links is false. It is MUCH quicker to get away from SMS for most people than it ever would have been from stoneham. Stoneham relied on two exits from car parks onto the M27....it would have taken hours to get out. Other than that , the options are about the same...walk to the railway station at either ground, or walk to your car. stoneham would have been a shorter cab ride to the airport for a few people. city centre grounds provide the best transport, because they are nearest to, and can offer, the widest transport options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 If we increased the Northam, a second tier would make it around 37k in total. The away allocation would be 3,700 instead of 3,200. Does that mean we could push the away fans more into the Itchen/Northam corner and reclaim a bigger slice of the Northam without moving the away fans en masse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 If we increased the Northam, a second tier would make it around 37k in total. The away allocation would be 3,700 instead of 3,200. Does that mean we could push the away fans more into the Itchen/Northam corner and reclaim a bigger slice of the Northam without moving the away fans en masse? Unlikely they would do the Northam on its own, thus the away allocation would be larger than 3.7k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Unlikely they would do the Northam on its own, thus the away allocation would be larger than 3.7k. why would it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 (edited) why would it..? Because the away capacity for league games is 10% of the total capacity and if more than the Northam is redeveloped the capacity will be larger than 37k. So the away capacity will be larger than 3.7k. Edited 14 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 so by your reckoning we will be promoted to the premiership then be top 3 the very next season? why an earth are you twisting what he said? just because you believe something re the 5 year plan doesn't mean it's right.. MOST people seem to think & understand that the 5 year plan was to return to Prem .. after that is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 think premiership rule is 10% or 3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Because the away capacity for league games is 10% of the total capacity and if more than the Northam is redeveloped the capacity will be larger than 37k. So the away capacity will be larger than 3.7k. really, so man u give 7600 away tickets every week do they..? do they ****e I doubt newcastle give 5300 tickets or arsenal give 6000 tickets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 My mistake... 7. Unless otherwise agreed by the Board or between the Clubs, each Home Club shall make available to its Visiting Club: 7.1 3,000 tickets or, if the capacity of the Home Club’s ground is less than 30,000, such number of tickets as is equal to 10 per cent. of its ground capacity; and, whether or not that allocation is taken up, 7.2 tickets for a minimum of 10 per cent. of the Home Club’s disabled spectator accommodation. I last read it a while ago and forgot the correct wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Personally I think it's a when, assuming promotion to the Premiership. The exact how and when is another matter, but I don't think an out of city ground is the answer. By the waterside is a prime site, and has tremendous potential. It should be remembered that although people come from afar a large proportion of the fans come from within the city and have more sense (and desire for a beer) than coming by car. The transport problems are over-rated, in my opinion, and if we do expand so will the alternatives, particularly with ambition - which is patently there - and a bit of imagination. A dedicated ferry pier, a light rail system, park and rides, better bus services with clear, sign-posted bus stops! Decent beer with bars open after the match will spread out the surge, and redevelopment would mean other reasons to go to the area with the club as the focus. One thing I noted in the Cortese interview is that they have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve. Their plans for Staplewood came in at 3 times the initial thoughts because they didn't want to compromise and were building for the future. I'm pretty optimistic really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icey Saint Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 just watched it for the first time and EVEN more impressed with Nicola and the vision for the mighty Saints. did chuckle at the end when he talked about the under 18's and he mentioned them as a group and the 'bondage' the group had !!! i think he came across really well and even though English is clearly not his first language he got his point across perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 If we are to really be ambitious we should be lookingto move to a new site with land around it to build a stadium precinct complete with leisure facilities, sports facilities, hotels and retail. Similar to what we should of had at Stoneham and was a huge lost opportunity. Closer links to airport and rail would be good as well. The club needs additional income to propel the business forward and create something really special that can compete on the biggest stage. The Liebherr family should go into real estate (if not already), buy up the whole of the Itchen water front, get rid of the sand, gravel & cement merchants and build an up market Marina, Shopping, Leisure and appartment complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 My mistake... I last read it a while ago and forgot the correct wording. So, if we develop, it's potentially ALL seats for Saints fans. A redeveloped Northam stand (on it's own or part of a bigger redevelopment) doubles in size but contains the same number of away fans. So we can push them into a space half the size, thereby moving them further out of the Northam stand and helping us marginalise them. Perfect Now we just need Premiership football (a few years of it preferably), a big redevelopment and 10-20,000 new fans. Oh so simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Definitely worth another listen having got promoted...bigs up the u18 back in December ' date=' and they've had a pretty good year too!... I like the way he promotes positive and determined action and belief![/quote'] Completely agree with NC on parachute payments - completely wrong IMO. If a club is to be rewarded on being in the premiership it should be paid when it gets promoted. That way the club has a better chance of staying up and makes it more competitive in the prem. Paying a club when they get relegated just ring fences prem clubs, stratifies the leagues and is totally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMidfieldGeneral Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 This would be good... Only sell upper tiers on a general sale should the rest of the ground sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9270086.stm After listening again to that i do find his link to who was stirring up trouble, to be in the same breath as those who were milking the club as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 The sooner expansion happens the better. The Liebherrs might not be around forever and it'd be nice to have something to show for having such a rich family as our owners. If we can get a ground with a capacity over 40,000 it'll mean that supply should exceed demand and therefore ticket prices are more likely to be kept down in the years ahead. At 32,000 we are about at capacity in the top flight which means price hikes could be introduced without leading to empty seats - not a good situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Completely agree with NC on parachute payments - completely wrong IMO. If a club is to be rewarded on being in the premiership it should be paid when it gets promoted. That way the club has a better chance of staying up and makes it more competitive in the prem. Paying a club when they get relegated just ring fences prem clubs, stratifies the leagues and is totally wrong. But it was always going to get voted for by the majoirty of Prem chairmen, seeing as all but about 6 of them are paranoid about getting relegated and losing out on the massive amounts of tv money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 May, 2011 Share Posted 14 May, 2011 Every time I see this, I can't help but think how much more faith I'd have in it if the people who made it had been able to spell 'extension' correctly. And even more if they knew how to use capital letters and apostrophes. Working out we may not have been sponsored by flybe by the time the extension had been built would have been useful as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones91 Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 They better not forget to add more bars in the concourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 They better not forget to add more bars in the concourse. And staff that know what they are doing working there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Or let us drink in the stands like they do at the cricket and the rugby. It's a joke how football fans are treated differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Or let us drink in the stands like they do at the cricket and the rugby. It's a joke how football fans are treated differently. Can't think of anything worse. As soon as we scored a "big" goal, beer would go flying all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 (edited) West Brom announced plans to increase capacity yesterday "regardless of divisional status". The proposed Hawthorns... Add them to the list of Wolves, Birmingham, West Ham and Hull that are all planning to do the same. The new Molineux (work starts this summer regardless of whether they are relegated or not)... Saints already know they can get 30k+ crowds, no need to wait around to see if we do in the Premier League. May as well start the long process of planning applications now. Edited 17 May, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 I do think St Marys would also gain some character by having a new extension. At present it's just a subuteo stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 I do think St Marys would also gain some character by having a new extension. At present it's just a subuteo stadium. Yeah, that's the only thing that irks me. It's a bowl. Would have love to have had character, but then again, £30m for a 32,000 seater stadium compared to what others paid... incredible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Yeah, that's the only thing that irks me. It's a bowl. Would have love to have had character, but then again, £30m for a 32,000 seater stadium compared to what others paid... incredible! Even less than 32m when you consider only pennys in the pound were paid on the stadium loan after we went into administration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 West Brom announced plans to increase capacity yesterday "regardless of divisional status". Add them to the list of Wolves, Birmingham, West Ham and Hull that are all planning to do the same. The new Molineux (work starts this summer regardless of whether they are relegated or not)... Saints already know they can get 30k+ crowds, no need to wait around to see if we do in the Premier League. May as well start the long process of planning applications now. Of the clubs you mention, the only one I'd take much notice in terms of comparison would be Wolves. Their plans are split into different phases, but it looks for sure like they'll go from a current capacity of 28,500 up to 36,000. After that their plans are contingent on hitting that capacity over a longer term period, and further plans (to potentially go to 38,000 then 50,000) are not part of this planning application. West Brom will be going from a 26,500 capacity to 30,000. Birmingham, I've only seen talk that they are considering options for either a new ground or re-development of their old main stand, not heard of any definite plans. Hull, I think their stance is more to do with their chairman trying to buy the stadium on the cheap from the council. Without entering into negotitations he's been sounding off in the press suggesting if he can't get the ground for the right price he'll look to build a new 40K stadium; quite how serious that proposal is, is debatable. As for West Ham, their's is a unique situation. Potentially a huge stadium at their disposal, I don't know how much they'll be subject to pay for it but I assume it will well below what a new ground would cost. That said, I still think the running-track factor will prove a massive turn-off, as will the re-location, and if their attendances do go up I just can't it being a huge increase. It could of course have a negative effect on attendance (particularly if they don't gain promotion back to the top league in the next year or two). I still maintain that having a larger stadium is a "nice to have" rather than a necessity to push on in the short term. The sheer amounts of money available from the Premier League from TV money and prize funds, from the Champions League, and from sponsorship mean that the extra amounts available pale into insignificance compared to the extra revenue we could hope to see from an increase in attendance. If we do go for an increase in stadium capacity (which admittedly would be nice to see) I would suggest an extra tier on the Kingsland to provide an extra 8,000 seats and take capacity to 40,000 would be the most prudent step. Anything more than that is unncecessary IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 West Brom announced plans to increase capacity yesterday "regardless of divisional status". The proposed Hawthorns... Add them to the list of Wolves, Birmingham, West Ham and Hull that are all planning to do the same. The new Molineux (work starts this summer regardless of whether they are relegated or not)... Saints already know they can get 30k+ crowds, no need to wait around to see if we do in the Premier League. May as well start the long process of planning applications now. That just looks like a pic of the current Hawthorns, the only small stand they've got is the 'main' stand (on the left). That's got a road running close to it so I guess they've found a way to build a tier above. And the Wolves one looks like they're digging down (as some have suggested should happen at SMS), the lower tiers at the sides are deeper and the stands are far closer to the pitch. If we do go for an increase in stadium capacity (which admittedly would be nice to see) I would suggest an extra tier on the Kingsland to provide an extra 8,000 seats and take capacity to 40,000 would be the most prudent step. Anything more than that is unncecessary IMO. Agree, and we keep single tier ends and so the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 The Liebherr family should go into real estate (if not already), buy up the whole of the Itchen water front, get rid of the sand, gravel & cement merchants and build an up market Marina, Shopping, Leisure and appartment complex. Why would an upmarket marina and apartment complex want to be on top of a football club? I presume that you were meaning an upmarket apartment complex, which would sort of tie in with the marina idea. People who live in upmarket apartments would probably not be so interested in Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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