SimonC Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Yes everyone - it SHOULD be a sell out - I agree, so don't bother taking the pish. But there are too many people with their own alleigances / or Prem muppets - always been the same. No problem with people from Soton moving to Bmth and supporting Saints - it's the Saints fans born in Bmth I don't get..
SimonC Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Just goes to show that everything they were crying about (we aren't a big club, it isn't their cup final etc) was all a load of rubbish. "were there to see Southampton" Think about it - all the Saints fans in the home ends? not hard. Apart from the Walsall game - our visit was always going to have the biggest attendance, and your match at ours.
LGTL Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Think about it - all the Saints fans in the home ends? not hard. Apart from the Walsall game - our visit was always going to have the biggest attendance, and your match at ours. True, although 3200 away fans as opposed to the normal 200 was the main reason for that.
SimonC Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 But there were more home fans too - most Saints fans on here agreed! we're only 30 miles away, so we aren't proper rivals, but there was always going to be a bit of niggle this year - unavoidable.
Dr Who? Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Lets just face it we always have been and always will be the bigger club down the coast. It will not be to long before there are 2 or more leagues between us again. Puching above your weight but still behind Saints who are way below their weight. Just the way it is.
View From The Top Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 But there were more home fans too - most Saints fans on here agreed! we're only 30 miles away, so we aren't proper rivals, but there was always going to be a bit of niggle this year - unavoidable. Mush, we're not even pretend rivals. As the song goes "we don't care about you, we are Southampton, we don't care about you".
Dr Who? Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Mush, we're not even pretend rivals. As the song goes "we don't care about you, we are Southampton, we don't care about you". This. I was pointing out just that you could not sell out for a playoff semi. You are small time and even though you would like to think we are rivals you will never even come close, and it is one sided from you guys. I think this season was the first time in my lifetime that you have been above Saints, and probably the first time ever. I also cannot see it happening again.
rooney Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Both teams looked pretty poor to me with a distinct lack of quality out on the park today
saintmatt Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 True, although 3200 away fans as opposed to the normal 200 was the main reason for that. True But there were more home fans too - most Saints fans on here agreed! False Against Hartlepool and Carlisle, the two most northern clubs in the division (i.e. those likely to bring the least away fans), the attendance at St Mary's was 24,210 and 25,076 respectively. Stripping out the extra 3,000 away fans Bournemouth brought to St Mary's compared to these clubs, the attendance vs. Bournemouth was 23,289.
Colinjb Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Mush, we're not even pretend rivals. Absolutely. The Seaguls have Crystal Palace, We have the Skates. What is the point of even pretending that we are each other's rivals? ESPECIALLY when we are sharing the same league with the true enemy.
Thedelldays Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 watching the bompey game compared to the NPC playoffs...the difference in pace is huge.....pace and power needed
The9 Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Well if you are trying to shed this arrogant tag you have, that isn't deserved - it isn't working. I don't think it shows a small club mentality - it shows there are too many Prem supporting muppets in our area. And people from our area who didn't have enough backbone to support their local team and went up the M27. We only appear arrogant at worst because some of us have been acting like we're above League One, which we just proved we are. That's not arrogance unless we finished significantly lower than where we expected. But as others have said, making your match against us the big selling point of the season, and then failing to re-create that for a semi final which SHOULD be your biggest home game of the season just makes it look like it's all about a non-existent rivalry with Saints, even ahead of supporting your team in their bid to get to the Championship.
um pahars Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 watching the bompey game compared to the NPC playoffs...the difference in pace is huge.....pace and power needed One caveat might be that Bournemuff aren't that good, (although Huddersfield are pretty useful), but I would agree with you that I also think the step up to the Championship will be pretty big.
The9 Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Think about it - all the Saints fans in the home ends? not hard. Apart from the Walsall game - our visit was always going to have the biggest attendance, and your match at ours. Your home ticket allocation was sold out to Bournemouth fans before our fans even knew whether they'd got a ticket, so unlikely that any Saints fans had bought one. Now if you're talking about Bournemouth-based people who were only there to see Saints, that's a different group to Saints fans who usually go to other away games.
Thedelldays Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 One caveat might be that Bournemuff aren't that good, (although Huddersfield are pretty useful), but I would agree with you that I also think the step up to the Championship will be pretty big. I agree..the step up at the top half of the NPC is bigger than people are giving credit for on here.. look at most of the top 10 teams..all have pace and power up front.........we would need that too, and at the back
The9 Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 I think our current first choice side are a comfortable mid-table nPC team, which would mean we lost about as many games as we won next season. There are a lot of crappy sides in the bottom half - remember how terrible you had to be to get relegated in 2006/7 when we'd dropped out of the Prem ? We sold an entire squad when Burley first arrived, brought in a load of temporary players, lost most of our matches for 3 months, looked utterly dire, yet never got into the bottom 3 and STILL had more than enough to beat relegated Brighton away. As we know from 2008/9 when we went down, things have to be seriously wrong to finish in the bottom 3 of that division.
NickG Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 League 1 teams finished 2nd, 7th, 9th. Don't think there is huge gap if you go up strongly (we finished better than any of those) and you have a club of decent structure to cope with bigger games.
Thedelldays Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 League 1 teams finished 2nd, 7th, 9th. Don't think there is huge gap if you go up strongly (we finished better than any of those) and you have a club of decent structure to cope with bigger games. as already pointed out on god knows how many times....norwich and leeds have made loads of signings
NickG Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 lower league signings in the main and we have better starting place (as pointed out many times )
um pahars Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 I agree..the step up at the top half of the NPC is bigger than people are giving credit for on here.. look at most of the top 10 teams..all have pace and power up front.........we would need that too, and at the back I think the step up to the NPC isn't that big (as The9 says I reckon we could hold our own mid table, no problem), but as you say the step up to the top six (and definitely the top two!!!) is pretty big. Norwich and Leeds reinforced their squads well and built on the confidence of promotion and the winning mentality they brought with them and I think we will need to do the same.
NickG Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 reckon we would be upper mid table with current squad - hence needing few quality signings to take us up!
dune Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Norwich and Leeds reinforced their squads well and built on the confidence of promotion and the winning mentality they brought with them and I think we will need to do the same. Also Norwich play football how it should be played. I don't want to take anything away from what NA has done at all, but at present we play L1 football which has it's moments but isn't good quick passing football. With the players we retain and those we bring in we are going to have to improve a lot in how we play the game. I'm very optimistic that we can rise to the challenge under NA.
dune Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 reckon we would be upper mid table with current squad - hence needing few quality signings to take us up! Reckon we'd be mid table at best with the current squad. Don't think we' go down though.
um pahars Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 lower league signings in the main and we have better starting place (as pointed out many times ) Lower League signings in the main?????? Leeds signed 4 players from Premier League clubs (and had a further 12 in on loan from premiership sides over the season) They also signed 5 players from Nationwide Clubs. The 3 players they signed from "Lower League Teams" were Schmeicel (previously at Notts County due to their fake sheikh's ££££'s), Paynter (last season's Mackail-Smith) and Sam (who played for Charlton in the NPC). Norwich brought in players from Everton, Wolves, Rangers, Coventry & West Brom and loaned in 6 players from the Premiership (although they also bought from Colchester, Gillingham, Brighton and MK Dons). That would suggest that in the main they both brought in players from Clubs in the division above, with a number from their fellow NPC clubs and the minority from "lower league clubs".
rallyboy Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 best thing about the playoffs is that I have no interest in them. Thank god we avoided that lottery, imagine our whole season boiling down to us desperately trying to get a late late goal against MK Dons or similar - it's been great today without that hassle!
NickG Posted 14 May, 2011 Posted 14 May, 2011 Lower League signings in the main?????? Norwich brought in players from Everton, Wolves, Rangers, Coventry & West Brom and loaned in 6 players from the Premiership (although they also bought from Colchester, Gillingham, Brighton and MK Dons). That would suggest that in the main they both brought in players from Clubs in the division above, with a number from their fellow NPC clubs and the minority from "lower league clubs". was the Everton player that showed their big spending and ambition Ruddy? Ruddy who made one appearance for Everton in 5 years? I was reading this poster who is usually right! Really? All these were in Norwich's League One promotion and were still in their squad for 2010/11 in the Championship... Russell Martin Adam Druary Matt Gill Zak Whitbread Stephan Hughes Grant Holt Declan Rudd Wes Hoolahan Chris Martin Tom Adeyemi Korey Smith Simon Lappin Leon Barnett Oli Johnson Anthony McNamee Luke Daley Luke Tierny And then Norwich signings in the summer of 2010... Andrew Crofts - at a bottom half League One club Simeon Jackson - at a relegated League One club David Fox - at a League One club Aaron Wilbraham - at a League One club Only Surman came as a transfer from a higher division than League One, and Lansbury and Pacheco on loan from Premier League clubs. Norwich didn't spend big by any means, nor did they get many players from very high levels.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 I'm not infallible by any means Nick! Will teach me to rely on the Wikipedia squad lists and rushing a post.
saints-cris Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 I do love watching the playoffs, knowing weve done our job Feel just a tad smug!
saintmatt Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 Poyet's a pundit for MK Dons-Pboro game; clearly wants CMS at Brighton next season. Good to see Wotsit again.
Appy Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 Another blinding attendance at MK Over 4000 Posh fans there as well. The attendance will be interesting. Edit: 1-0 Posh CMS.
krissyboy31 Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 I hate to shock this forum, but Stadium MK is not full. You wait until they finish the upper tier and extend to 40k, then they'll show you!!
Thedelldays Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 does it matter if there are no home fans... dont ever recall MK fans giving the billy big bollix about anything
Appy Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 does it matter if there are no home fans... dont ever recall MK fans giving the billy big bollix about anything For a game of this magnitude it does. Its a thread about the playoffs and the attendance is a talking point.
St. Neil Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 You can actually still see the MK DONS spelt out on the seats in the stand thats how empty it is.
Thedelldays Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 For a game of this magnitude it does. Its a thread about the playoffs and the attendance is a talking point. they dont have the fans....so I cant see what the fuss is.. much like bournemouth dont have the fans...however, MK dons are growing quicker than most in the bottom 2 leagues in england... good luck to them
Huntingdon Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 It takes a generation to start changing your fanbase. The 5 nearest clubs to MK Dons are Luton, Cambridge, Stevenage, Northampton, and Peterborough None of them are huge clubs, but if you've supported them all your life, you're not going to change The future fanbase will be kids now growing up in Milton Keynes, this will be their club It will take a while for this to start showing in attendances though
Dr Who? Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 Cannot stand all the MK Dons stand for... come on Posh!!
Thedelldays Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 Cannot stand all the MK Dons stand for... come on Posh!! which is what..? all football clubs start from somewhere or else we would still be non league church team..arsenal would still play at woolwich..etc etc
Appy Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 Am i allowed to have a go at the Posh away following? The quietest 4000 ever?
Thedelldays Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 am i allowed to have a go at the posh away following? The quietest 4000 ever? ,
LGTL Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 All sat down too...I know the seats are nice but blimey!
krissyboy31 Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 It's got all the atmosphere of a pre-season friendly.
um pahars Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 I was reading this poster who is usually right! From the list above, only something like 7 players started more than 20 league games for them last season. Coincidentally, 7 new players (2 from Prem clubs and 2 from NPC clubs) brought in after promotion played more than 20 games. Norwich's team was almost as new as it was old!!! Leeds seemed to be a bit more aggressive with regards signing new players following promotion, bringing in loads of new faces, with 6 of them (2 from Prem clubs, 3 from NPC clubs + Schmeicel) playing in more than 20 League games. Both teams added to their squad, a number made significant contributions and the majority were not lower league signings, but were signed from NPC or Prem clubs.
um pahars Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 which is what..? all football clubs start from somewhere I think the difference might be that Milton Keynes never actually worked their way up the leagues!!!! I do not see them as Wimbledon in any shape or form and given the number of ex Wimbledon players who turned out to watch AFC Wimbledons play off in midweek, then I don't think many others do either!!! Your analogy with Arsenal might have some merits, but I would counter that it happened almost 100 years ago (when clubs didn't have as much of legacy), the journey was less than 10 miles and it was still within the same city.
Appy Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 LOL at Posh and Fergie junior. 2-1 MK, 2 in a minute, it doesn't just happen against MK.
Thedelldays Posted 15 May, 2011 Posted 15 May, 2011 I think the difference might be that Milton Keynes never actually worked their way up the leagues!!!! I do not see them as Wimbledon in any shape or form and given the number of ex Wimbledon players who turned out to watch AFC Wimbledons play off in midweek, then I don't think many others do either!!! Your analogy with Arsenal might have some merits, but I would counter that it happened almost 100 years ago (when clubs didn't have as much of legacy), the journey was less than 10 miles and it was still within the same city. so, it is ok if it happened years ago.. things change....im sure they will agaian
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