aintforever Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 (edited) I don't understand the lack of info, as people have said it's only going to mean less ST sales as people decide to spend their money on other stuff or their circumstances change. My job is looking less secure now than it did last month so I might not bother renewing, had they done the early bird, I would be signed up and they would have had a few month's cash already (if they bothered with the installment plan). One thing is for sure, ST sales wont increase by being available for less time - maybe they want to encourage people to not get STs and pay on a game by game basis. That would be a mistake IMO. Edited 1 June, 2011 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Here we go!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Hold on it is Wednesday night, not Thursday derrrrrr!!! Night!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Had this email earlier: Unfortunately we do not have any information regarding season tickets at present. We are hoping that any information will be released by the latest mid June, please keep checking our website for any updates. Regards Becky Goodyer Ticket Office Assistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Had this email earlier: Unfortunately we do not have any information regarding season tickets at present. We are hoping that any information will be released by the latest mid June, please keep checking our website for any updates. Regards Becky Goodyer Ticket Office Assistant Really not helpful. Looks like she may be getting an engagement ring after all. (No, NOT Becky Goodyer....... unless she's a stunner of course.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Stop f*cking moaning and save up for when they are released if you want one. If you can't afford it outright then get a 0% credit card and pay it off over a few months. It will cost the same and work our cheaper than an installment plan!!! If you cannot get a credit card then you should have looked after your finances better and you can watch the highlights on the TV instead. Simple The only moaning is by other parties, i've saved and I am ready to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Had this email earlier: Unfortunately we do not have any information regarding season tickets at present. We are hoping that any information will be released by the latest mid June, please keep checking our website for any updates. Regards Becky Goodyer Ticket Office Assistant saints have only been doing STs for 125 years, you would have thought they could do the communications better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 June, 2011 Share Posted 1 June, 2011 Had this email earlier: Unfortunately we do not have any information regarding season tickets at present. We are hoping that any information will be released by the latest mid June, please keep checking our website for any updates. Regards Becky Goodyer Ticket Office Assistant fair enough. I just change credit card to one with interest free period. Online application and received credit card 5 days later. Plenty of time for anyone who wants interest free season ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Stop f*cking moaning and save up for when they are released if you want one. If you can't afford it outright then get a 0% credit card and pay it off over a few months. It will cost the same and work our cheaper than an installment plan!!! If you cannot get a credit card then you should have looked after your finances better and you can watch the highlights on the TV instead. Simple Do you think the club are maximising season ticket sales with their policy of late announcements and no communication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Stop f*cking moaning and save up for when they are released if you want one. If you can't afford it outright then get a 0% credit card and pay it off over a few months. It will cost the same and work our cheaper than an installment plan!!! If you cannot get a credit card then you should have looked after your finances better and you can watch the highlights on the TV instead. Simple I think we are all aware you can get little plastic things called credit cards. I was just questioning the logic of not putting season tickets on sale earlier to maximise sales. After such a feel-good season I'm sure there would have been many who would have made an impulse buy who maybe now wont bother or have already blown their disposable on a holiday or been made redundant by the cuts etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Had this email earlier: Unfortunately we do not have any information regarding season tickets at present. We are hoping that any information will be released by the latest mid June, please keep checking our website for any updates. Regards Becky Goodyer Ticket Office Assistant Just a thought but has everyone considered that there may be a vote on important changes to the FL rules coming at this year AGM (? Steve hinted at something a few weeks ago from the Barnsley o/s about financial rules). In previous seasons most Clubs have announced ST prices from March (Income), then went on to arrange Transfers & Wages from March - June (Expenditure) and only then the FL had their AGM in early June (Rules). I.e. ? Could it be that Nicola views :- Income (March) then Expenditure (M-J) and finally Rules (first week of June) is the wrong Business model, and the Income should be the result of the other 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 (edited) I really am starting to worry about this now. Mainly because my other half is applying pressure for me to use me season ticket money for something less 'selfish.' I can understand her point...... Please can the club release the renewel terms now so I can ensure I get my seat for the coming season! Man up you pussy. What sort of a bloke caves into a it of pressure from a whinging bird ffs? Tell her it's her being selfish expecting you to give up doing something you love just because you cant buy your season ticket when 2 months before you need it. It's your right as a man to attend football when you want to and if you wish have a season ticket, if she doesn't like it, she knows where the door is. Edited 2 June, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Really not helpful. Looks like she may be getting an engagement ring after all. (No, NOT Becky Goodyer....... unless she's a stunner of course.) It is helpful, it says that you'll have information at the latest in two weeks time, What else did you expect her to say? I wouldn't bother with the engagement ring, it sounds like she is in charge and wears the trousers, therefore the relationship is doomed from the start. We all know a women in charge of anything spells disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Stop f*cking moaning and save up for when they are released if you want one. If you can't afford it outright then get a 0% credit card and pay it off over a few months. It will cost the same and work our cheaper than an installment plan!!! If you cannot get a credit card then you should have looked after your finances better and you can watch the highlights on the TV instead. Simple Boring. Everyone is aware of credit cards and/or the need to save. What most are saying is it a) it would be nice to have what pretty much every other club in the country do and let us know what to expect re season tickets (no-one is @rsed about handing over their money now). b) I know plenty of Saints fans who would have bought a season ticket if they'd be on sale the week after the Walsall game, but have now blown their money on festivals, holidays etc. Yes, the hardcore will always renew, but there are plenty of fans who couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery and who's focus and organisation towards watching Saints is all over the place. These are the people that could have been signed up with an innovative, aggressive marketing campaign for the couple of weeks after the Plymouth and/or Walsall games....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Man up you pussy. What sort of a bloke caves into a it of pressure from a whinging bird ffs? Tell her it's her being selfish expecting you to give up doing something you love just because you cant buy your season ticket when 2 months before you need it. It's your right as a man to attend football when you want to and if you wish have a season ticket, if she doesn't like it, she knows where the door is. well said Turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 It is helpful, it says that you'll have information at the latest in two weeks time, What else did you expect her to say? Not really. It says they're "hoping" to have info by then. Sort of e-mail I write at work all the time when I don't really know what's going on and try to blag it a bit with a vague answer. Think the ticket office had said in the middle of May they should have info out by the end of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Man up you pussy. What sort of a bloke caves into a it of pressure from a whinging bird ffs? Tell her it's her being selfish expecting you to give up doing something you love just because you cant buy your season ticket when 2 months before you need it. It's your right as a man to attend football when you want to and if you wish have a season ticket, if she doesn't like it, she knows where the door is. I wouldn't bother with the engagement ring, it sounds like she is in charge and wears the trousers, therefore the relationship is doomed from the start. We all know a women in charge of anything spells disaster. Turkish, don't hold back mate, speak your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Not really. It says they're "hoping" to have info by then. Sort of e-mail I write at work all the time when I don't really know what's going on and try to blag it a bit with a vague answer. Think the ticket office had said in the middle of May they should have info out by the end of the month. They did say that, i mailed them at the end of the season and they replied saying by the end of the May. I expect the TO staff genuinely dont know any or aren't allowed to share any info with fans yet. I bet they want them to be released asap though as the longer the delay the less time they've got to process all the applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Do you think the club are maximising season ticket sales with their policy of late announcements and no communication? I think the club are going to announce season ticket details when they are ready. This will be in line with a very sound business plan, it may not be one that you like and it is definately not one that you or i know the details of. It exciting and frustrating times at present but i do trust NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 I think the club are going to announce season ticket details when they are ready. You're a genius. Why hadn't someone suggested that earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Boring. Everyone is aware of credit cards and/or the need to save. What most are saying is it a) it would be nice to have what pretty much every other club in the country do and let us know what to expect re season tickets (no-one is @rsed about handing over their money now).. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Surely everyone can expect between £400-£600?? It's not like we are waiting for whether it'll be £1000 or £100,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Surely everyone can expect between £400-£600?? It's not like we are waiting for whether it'll be £1000 or £100,000. Your completly missing the point, people know how much it is going to be. But the point is if we had the season tickets out earlier people who may not have got a season ticket may have got one. Like sour mash says, I also know people that were planning on getting season tickets after the walsall and Plymouth games but now have blown that money on holidays and other things. Some people will always have the money aside so they could release details a day before the season started and it wouldnt matter. But the club should aim to get as many season ticket holders as possible, and they can achieve this by releasing season ticket details earlier on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 why? Well maybe it makes no difference to you, but it would be handy to know if I'm going to be paying £390/£490/£590. How much notice we'll have to pay it? How wide the window to pay it will be? How many people just have £500 sat in a separate account waiting to pay for their season ticket? Only maybe one or two out of loads of Saints fans I know. Most other people will pay for it by juggling the overdraft, credit card, other expenditure, depending on when your pay day is etc. As much as anything, its common courtesy to your long-term supporters who are coughing up a large percentage of their disposable income to at least give them a "heads up" with a decent bit of prior notice. And that doesn't even get started on the point of being pro-active and pulling in those who waver between getting a season ticket or not and would have been caught up in the buzz of the end of last season....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 ok, just personally don't see the problem. I can't see a ticket being less then last year, nor a £200 increase so you can pretty much budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Well maybe it makes no difference to you, but it would be handy to know if I'm going to be paying £390/£490/£590. How much notice we'll have to pay it? How wide the window to pay it will be? How many people just have £500 sat in a separate account waiting to pay for their season ticket? Only maybe one or two out of loads of Saints fans I know. Most other people will pay for it by juggling the overdraft, credit card, other expenditure, depending on when your pay day is etc. As much as anything, its common courtesy to your long-term supporters who are coughing up a large percentage of their disposable income to at least give them a "heads up" with a decent bit of prior notice. And that doesn't even get started on the point of being pro-active and pulling in those who waver between getting a season ticket or not and would have been caught up in the buzz of the end of last season....... You dont know me & I have money put away for it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 apply while you are waiting pay for ticket this time next year any increase worry about later http://www.moneynet.co.uk/personal-finance-news/article/credit-cards/highest-number-of-interest-free-credit-cards/7121 relax and keep checking for transfer news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 You dont know me & I have money put away for it ;-) Congratulations. I am sure plenty others have as well. Equally plenty of others haven't and have drifted away after the end of the season and spent their money elsewhere. Would you agree though that no effort has been made by the club to maximise season ticket sales this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 the club should aim to get as many season ticket holders as possible I've never crunched the figures but I would imagine there's an optimum number of season ticket sales they would be aiming for rather than an absolute maximum. Collectively, the casual/semi-regular spectators add as much to the coffers, if not more, than season ticket holders do (over the course of a season). I would imagine there is a 'maximum revenue' pivot point which is a fine balance of season ticket holder numbers and 'pay as you go' punters. What is that figure? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 plenty of others have drifted away after the end of the season and spent their money elsewhere And those people will probably attend next season on a 'pay as you go' basis thus contributing to the club's takings, albeit via a different route. Whether they will spend as much at the club on a PAYG basis compared to what they would have spent as a season ticket holder is open to debate of course, but I don't think any of us will know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 I've never crunched the figures but I would imagine there's an optimum number of season ticket sales they would be aiming for rather than an absolute maximum. Collectively, the casual/semi-regular spectators add as much to the coffers, if not more, than season ticket holders do (over the course of a season). I would imagine there is a 'maximum revenue' pivot point which is a fine balance of season ticket holder numbers and 'pay as you go' punters. What is that figure? Who knows? so we are in agreement that the club / cortese is ambivalent about selling season tickets and would prefer to milk more cash from the fanbase by paying on a game by game basis + ticket tax? Brighton = massive take up of season tickets off the back of promotion combined with good deals. Norwich = the same Reading = same although take up due to run into the play offs saints - not even a whisper despite promotion and ignoring every major selling / marketing opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 And those people will probably attend next season on a 'pay as you go' basis thus contributing to the club's takings, albeit via a different route. Whether they will spend as much at the club on a PAYG basis compared to what they would have spent as a season ticket holder is open to debate of course, but I don't think any of us will know for sure. Exactly - its impossible to really know - I'd rather they'd been snapped up as season ticket holders. As I've said on here before I think the club know that there is a hardcore that will want to renew their season tickets pretty much no matter what, but ideally they would have most on a PAYG as that makes more money for a club that is on a successful run winning games and heading for promotion. Its a gamble that I reckoned probably paid off the season just gone, but will fail if we're stuck in lower mid-table Championship towards the end of this coming season and they expect significant numbers to pay £26+ to see us play Doncaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffy Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 It seems reasonable to assume that the ST prices for next year have already been agreed within the club. I cannot see any reason why these prices wouldn't be communicated even if the date of sales is restricted and not until July. It does seem clear that maximising the number of ST's is not the aim, maybe 'trousers' suggestion above is correct. In which case why wouldn't the club say there are (for example) 15,000 ST's available, once they are sold there will be no more made available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Only an idiot can argue that the club isn't doing as little as possible to encourage season ticket sales. I am sure Super Nicky has some logical reason behind it, i cant think of one though, other than 25,000 crowds paying game by game make a lot more cash over a season than 25,000 crowds with 18,000 paying an up front discount price and 7,000 paying game by game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 It seems reasonable to assume that the ST prices for next year have already been agreed within the club. I cannot see any reason why these prices wouldn't be communicated even if the date of sales is restricted and not until July. It does seem clear that maximising the number of ST's is not the aim, maybe 'trousers' suggestion above is correct. In which case why wouldn't the club say there are (for example) 15,000 ST's available, once they are sold there will be no more made available? Wouldn't reflect to well on the club, especially with the media etc. Far easier just to let the issue drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Only an idiot can argue that the club isn't doing as little as possible to encourage season ticket sales. I am sure Super Nicky has some logical reason behind it, i cant think of one though, other than 25,000 crowds paying game by game make a lot more cash over a season than 25,000 crowds with 18,000 paying an up front discount price and 7,000 paying game by game. Well I hope Super Nicky has thought it through Because, with the best will in the world, he aint gonna get BIG Gates if we are consolidating in mid table, Especially the last half a dozen Home games ie The "Walk Up" Pay on the day Supporters won't be rushing to St Mary's to watch a Mid Table Match However, no matter what argument is put forward, I still cannot understand his apparent reluctance to get as many ST's on Board BEFORE a ball is kicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 so we are in agreement that the club / cortese is ambivalent about selling season tickets and would prefer to milk more cash from the fanbase by paying on a game by game basis + ticket tax? Erm...not sure how I can agree with something that I don't know the reasoning and background to. But, looking at it on the surface (which is all we can do on an internet football forum) "ambivalent" is probably a bit too emotive as a description for Cortese's attitude towards season ticket sales I would venture. I think 'calculating' would probably be a better description given his business acumen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 I fall into the Cortese 'fan' group but I really feel they've f**ked up here (again) and certainly not coming across as 'fan friendly' with regards to season tickets. I also fall into the group that thinks they may not see them as a priority (wrongly imo). A season ticket for many fans is their prized attachment to their football club and some way of showing committment and loyalty. I can see no reason why the club couldn't have just realised an early statement (particularly last year with the sudden change of procedure) and simply say STs will be available from this-or-that date. Not hard but by once again saying nothing just looks like a show of little respect to a big chunk of their 'customers'. Maybe Cortese has some revolutionary idea with ticketing but communication would be a good thing and any big change to tradition in this country may take some getting use to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Congratulations. I am sure plenty others have as well. Equally plenty of others haven't and have drifted away after the end of the season and spent their money elsewhere. Would you agree though that no effort has been made by the club to maximise season ticket sales this year? Yes I would agree, I think they should of went on sale after the plymouth game caught all the fans on a high then sales would be though the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 You are just a bunch of impatient mongs. As long as I get a season ticket before the start of the season I will be happy. Some of us look at more than just whether we happen to get our own individual ticket or not, but if that's all that concerns you, your contribution is minimal on here you "mong". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 personally doubt late announcement (unless accompanied with squad being sold) would cost many season tickets. Maybe couple of positive signings before details released may increase. generally guess most people would know at the end of the season whether they want one, or not - whether they are allowed to pay for it in May or are able to save for a couple more months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 You're a genius. Why hadn't someone suggested that earlier? Because they are too busy moaning and whinging about no news on season tickets! Sour Mash! should be Sour Face, get a grip and enjoy the ride me old mukka, you never know how long its gonna last, then you will have something to moan and whinge about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Because they are too busy moaning and whinging about no news on season tickets! Sour Mash! should be Sour Face, get a grip and enjoy the ride me old mukka, you never know how long its gonna last, then you will have something to moan and whinge about! what is this ride you talk of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Some of us look at more than just whether we happen to get our own individual ticket or not, but if that's all that concerns you, your contribution is minimal on here you "mong". I have to say, I have never noticed you on here up until last week when you decided to launch an unprovoked attack on me. Since then, all I have seen from your posts is criticism and abuse of others. Slightly hypocritical to have a go at others for the quality of their posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 (edited) When other clubs open up their season ticket sales "early" they do so for two reasons. Firstly to provide some income over the barren summer months & improve cashflow, and secondly to provide the longest possible time to make those sales (usually by offering incentives, marketing pushes, garnering a sense of belonging etc). Whilst it could be argued that bringing in cash is not as imperative for us (given the way we are being "supported" by the Liebherr Legacy), I always thought we were still being run as a prudent business and looking to get towards being in a position where we were self sufficient. It therefore seems strange that we wouldn't want to bring cash through the door as quickly as possible. On the second one, whilst it is impossible to quantify I just can't help but think that the late announcement will have some impact on the take up. Given the euphoria and positivity following promotion we should have been trading off the back of that (and we should have had our core season ticket renewals already sorted before promotion was achieved). I take on board Trousers points about there being a point where walk ups might provide more income than season ticket sales, but I think it is a very fine balance and I think most clubs would rather have a guaranteed income than having to rely on pay on the days to bring in the bacon. Additionally, I have to say I'm not overly comfortable with that strategy, both from an emotional and an economic perspective. As others have said, season tickets are more than just a guaranteed seat at a preferential basis, for some it is a sense of belonging and an emotional attachment to their Club. One only has to look at a Club like Norwich to see how being pro-active and engaging brings in some pretty decent season ticket stats. Edited 2 June, 2011 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 When other clubs open up their season ticket sales "early" they do so for two reasons. Firstly to provide some income over the barren summer months & improve cashflow, and secondly to provide the longest possible time to make those sales (usually by offering incentives, marketing pushes, garnering a sense of belonging etc). Whilst it could be argued that bringing in cash is not as imperative for us (given the way we are being "supported" by the Liebherr Legacy), I always thought we were still being run as a prudent business and looking to get towards being in a position where we were self sufficient. It therefore seems strange that we wouldn't want to bring cash through the door as quickly as possible. On the second one, whilst it is impossible to quantify I just can't help but think that the late announcement will have some impact on the take up. Given the euphoria and positivity following promotion we should have been trading off the back of that (and we should have had our core season ticket renewals already sorted before promotion was achieved). I take on board Trousers points about there being a point where walk ups might provide more income than season ticket sales, but I think it is a very fine balance and I think most clubs would rather have a guaranteed income than having to rely on pay on the days to bring in the bacon. Additionally, I have to say I'm not overly comfortable with that strategy, both from an emotional and an economic perspective. As others have said, season tickets are more than just a guaranteed seat at a preferential basis, for some it is a sense of belonging and an emotional attachment to their Club. One only has to look at a Club like Norwich to see how being pro-active and engaging brings in some pretty decent season ticket stats. What we need is a fan like you on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 What we need is a fan like you on the board. Would you vote for me Dune (I'm a Socialist BTW)??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 relying on walk up is a dangerous option in a game like football, success is not guaranteed irrespective of how you did the year before. and as others have said our average will drop if we are not winning regularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 Would you vote for me Dune (I'm a Socialist BTW)??? Would you oragnise a quiz night and throw in a welcome pack - certificate, balloons etc? This could sway me to vote for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 June, 2011 Share Posted 2 June, 2011 I bet we will still have 15-18k ST holders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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