Saint_clark Posted 7 May, 2011 Posted 7 May, 2011 He's said he's staying, his mothers said he's staying, Adkins has said he's staying and Cortese has said he's staying. Perhaps we should listen to them rather than a few posters on here and journalists trying to appease the majority of their audience (fans of the top 4).
sambosa75 Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Posted 7 May, 2011 Oxo will play for Saints in the Premiership and become everything Walcott could have been Walcott is a regular starter in what is largely considered to be the best footballing side in the country and also a regular starter for his country. I dont think Walcott will be losing any sleep about "what could have been" had he stayed at Southampton.
Saintandy666 Posted 7 May, 2011 Posted 7 May, 2011 He's said he's staying, his mothers said he's staying, Adkins has said he's staying and Cortese has said he's staying. Perhaps we should listen to them rather than a few posters on here and journalists trying to appease the majority of their audience (fans of the top 4). No, I heard overheard my Neighbour's dog saying that Chamberlain was definitely leaving so I think that's that settled.
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2011 Posted 7 May, 2011 Would be great if he does stay, with him and Lallana in the side we would probably have the best two wide players in the Championship. They are the sort of players that can win you the league. Whoever started this thread is talking b@ll@x, the fact that he played today just means he was fit - nothing else.
Chez Posted 7 May, 2011 Posted 7 May, 2011 considering how fit Chambelain looked I'm surprised he wasn't on the bench for the two games over the bank holiday weekend.
jam Posted 7 May, 2011 Posted 7 May, 2011 Oxo will play for Saints in the Premiership and become everything Walcott could have been A regular starter for one of the top clubs in Europe and an England international?
jam Posted 7 May, 2011 Posted 7 May, 2011 considering how fit Chambelain looked I'm surprised he wasn't on the bench for the two games over the bank holiday weekend. Anyone would think that we'd been told to protect him until the summer...
stcappy Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 With respect stcappy his reluctance has probably got more to do with being aware of how anything he says could be reported and distorted. I suspect that players have had training on handling questions from the media and people they do not know (and even ones they do know if some indiscreet comments made a while ago by a so-called acquaintance were anything to go by). Fair comment mate and that's what I meant I guess by saying it can't be easy for him.
jimmysaint7 Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 Walcott is a regular starter in what is largely considered to be the best footballing side in the country and also a regular starter for his country. I dont think Walcott will be losing any sleep about "what could have been" had he stayed at Southampton. Fwiw Walcott is not a guaranteed starter for arsenal and most certainly not engand but I know what your saying!
david in sweden Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 Is it me or does AOC being on the bench today smack of giving the lad an opportunity to say goodbye to the fans? Isnt he supposed to be injured? Looks to me as if Adkins will let him come on for the last couple of minutes to say his farewells. What does everyone else think? well you know..I'm great on conspiracy theories ...BUT not this one. Saints seem to keep a low profile on player info. We all thought Connolly, Schneiderlin and Holmes were out for the rest of the season, but his "cameo" on Saturday proved he recoverd quicker than any of us thought, and it showed. outside chance ; he may "move" to one of the big 3 but I'd expect to see a " loan back for the season " if that happened.
david in sweden Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 It's Guly that's off! I think you're wrong on that one. I expect him to be a big influence next season. There is a big more variety in CCC and I think he will adapt well. He does pop up with a goal-scoring flair more often than we think ( 9 league + 2 cup) and he didn't play the whole season, and seems to have learned a lot about the English game after a career in Brazil / Italy.
david in sweden Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 I don't think that she actually came out and said that but it was the strong implication of what she said. She was very complimentary about the mentoring that he has had. I think he will be with us for at least one more season... and who knows what will happen if were promoted again? That's my impression, too. If we go up next season, then he'll be a Premiership player 2012/13... and still under 20. If not ....then another good season with a mediocre Saints side ...and he will be on the move. I'm going for a VG Saints showing ...and that he'll still be with us May 2012.
up and away Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 He's said he's staying, his mothers said he's staying, Adkins has said he's staying and Cortese has said he's staying. Perhaps we should listen to them rather than a few posters on here and journalists trying to appease the majority of their audience (fans of the top 4). Why not listen to them all and come to your own informed opinion? When you have the lad, his mother and father all say he is staying, albeit with a few things to sort out, that is about as nailed on as you can get. I don't think Cortese will let this opportunity slip by so we must have an excellent chance to retain him. All those quoting Mark now should repeat any comments he made during the window, where apart from "the numbers are staggering", just would not comment. The open courting of Oxo in public by Arsenal and ManU was astonishing, culminating tn Ferguson commenting that he had cleared te air with his father about ManU being a viable destination. When you consider that during all this time Cortese kept remakably checked, I can only come to the assumption that Oxo's contract had conditions which would automatically allow him to leave should they be met. Otherwise I just cannot imagine Arsenal and ManU would behave in such a manner, nor that Cortese would remained so checked. You then have to ask how those contract details got into the open, but with just the ability to light the blue touch paper should be enough to figure that one out. I believe he did agree personal terms with Arsenal in the January window. Why, becasue I remember seeing an article carrying an exclusive that personal terms had been agreed and Wenger stating that we will have to see if we can do a deal with Saints now. Anyone can put the words exclusive against an article, but a vary high percentage of the time this comes from direct quotes from someone pertinent to the negotiations. So why did he not leave for Arsenal? I would assume because Cortese stuck to the absolute limits of that contract, not budging an inch. And at the end of the day, Arsenal were not prepared to pay that amount. So why the turn around? I don't really know but would guess that an immediate move away from League 1 looked very attractive and the Championship looks a whole lot better. Then consider if you are moving to Arsenal, where within all that mountain of talent do you fit the lad in to get a game? It's absolutely brilliant for someone like Oxo to go to the likes of Arsenal, but only if he is going to get competitive play. If Arsenal were to pay top dollar that is a very good sign he would feature, the lower that value becomes, the less that becomes a possibility. I am just grateful the lad is staying, but we should get an idea about where things are heading from any new contract or the absence of such.
Minty Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 (edited) I only have one thing to contribute to this thread: Edited 8 May, 2011 by Minty
aintforever Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 There is a fair chance he will stay, I think he will develop much better playing first team football here than stuck in Arsenal reserves for eternity playing tippy tappy b*llox learning how to win f*ck all. I still wouldn't be surprised if he goes this summer but we are lucky enough to be in a position to take money out of the equation. Make him a millionaire before his 18th birthday and he might not do a Theo.
sambosa75 Posted 8 May, 2011 Author Posted 8 May, 2011 I only have one thing to contribute to this thread: If the lad doesnt have the 2nd picture blown up x 100 and framed within a month I will be amazed. What a great photo.
sambosa75 Posted 8 May, 2011 Author Posted 8 May, 2011 I only have one thing to contribute to this thread: Technically though, that was two things.
NickG Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 players post match interview (on another thread) sounds likely staying
Secret Site Agent Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 Don't take this personally, but we're in for a very tedious summer of posts like this. The reason I don't believe you is because Cortese has got things running tighter than a ducks arse. Most of the transfers surrounding the club come completely out of the blue and whenever someone says "I've been reliably informed" it's usually the least reliable information ever. Let's just hope we dont have a new thread every time a rumour surfaces about a player in some Sh*tty tabloid. Most of it is just a rehash of stuff printed in the local paper last week, which was in turn probably taken from the HCDAJFU thread on here and agents trying to big their players up. I agree and have said so previously. There aren't many ITK any more as Cortese likes to keep the control of information and know how to do it. The first we'll know about him leaving is when it is reported on the OS. Most of the crap you see in the papers come from 3rd parties with an agenda, like agents who like to up the price or contract value for their clients. Besides, why would he want to go anywhere? Just to sit on the bench? Isn't it better to be out playing and scoring? He'll stay, just because he can. And Cortese will keep him, just to spite the rest of the Prem.
BallBoy Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 I have just one little thing to add: If Chamberlain were to go to Arsenal then he would be in direct competition with one Theo Walcott on the right wing. Walcott is all of, what 22 years of age, and a regular for both Arsenal and England. This does not sound like the brightest career move to me. I personally think Chamberlain will develop to be as good if not better than Walcott but he does not need to go out of his way to compete with him.
Scoobysaint Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 I have just one little thing to add: If Chamberlain were to go to Arsenal then he would be in direct competition with one Theo Walcott on the right wing. Walcott is all of, what 22 years of age, and a regular for both Arsenal and England. This does not sound like the brightest career move to me. I personally think Chamberlain will develop to be as good if not better than Walcott but he does not need to go out of his way to compete with him. After watching Theo this afternoon I don't think AOC would have to worry about any competition as Theo was dreadful. It may just be my thinking but I find Theo quite a disappointment. He certainly hasn't progressed or improved to the same extent as Gareth Bale.
beatlesaint Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 I have just one little thing to add: If Chamberlain were to go to Arsenal then he would be in direct competition with one Theo Walcott on the right wing. Walcott is all of, what 22 years of age, and a regular for both Arsenal and England. This does not sound like the brightest career move to me. I personally think Chamberlain will develop to be as good if not better than Walcott but he does not need to go out of his way to compete with him. Alex Chamberlain will be a better player than Theo Walcott. I have absolutely no doubt about that. Alex uses his brain and can cross a ball. Theo uses his pace and cannot cross a ball. Thats simplifying things but its two reasons why I will stick by my statement. I would love to see a stat of how many games Theo has started for Arsenal and still been on the pitch after 90 minutes by the way.
mcjwills Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 Alex Chamberlain will be a better player than Theo Walcott. I have absolutely no doubt about that. Alex uses his brain and can cross a ball. Theo uses his pace and cannot cross a ball. Thats simplifying things but its two reasons why I will stick by my statement. I would love to see a stat of how many games Theo has started for Arsenal and still been on the pitch after 90 minutes by the way. Perhaps we will have to offer them AOC for Theo and £10M + 40% sell on. I think even the Don would go for that deal
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 If we can get £8 mil for him then that amounts to 4 or 5 very good championship quality players...I'd be happy with that.
Avenue Saint Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 If we can get £8 mil for him then that amounts to 4 or 5 very good championship quality players...I'd be happy with that. And when were hopefully in prem, how much will it cost to buy someone like oxo?
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 (edited) Alex Chamberlain will be a better player than Theo Walcott. I have absolutely no doubt about that. Alex uses his brain and can cross a ball. Theo uses his pace and cannot cross a ball. Thats simplifying things but its two reasons why I will stick by my statement. I would love to see a stat of how many games Theo has started for Arsenal and still been on the pitch after 90 minutes by the way. At 22 years old, Walcott has played and scored in a Wembley cup final, finished every season in the top 4 of the premier league, scored a hatrick a played regularly for England, been to a world cup finals (admittedly as a bit part) played regularly and scored in the champions league. Not bad for a sprinter who cant cross. You simply cannot compare him to a 18 year old playing his first season two leagues below and say he will become better because he uses his brain and can cross, the gap between league one and the top four of one of the best leagues in the world is immense. Loads of players are hyped up at a young age, Jermaine Pennant was supposed to be the new George Best. Others look like world beaters in the championship yet cant cut it in the premier league, think of Koumas, McSheffery, Earnshaw, even our own Gregorz Rasiak. I dont understand the logic in saying that a player will become better than another player who is already an international and top 4 club standard because he looks great against the likes of the mighty Gary Borrowdale of Carlise, especially when you take into account at the moment he isn't even the best player Saints have. Edited 8 May, 2011 by Turkish
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 At 22 years old, Walcott has played and scored in a Wembley cup final, finished every season in the top 4 of the premier league, scored a hatrick a played regularly for England, been to a world cup finals (admittedly as a bit part) played regularly and scored in the champions league. Not bad for a sprinter who cant cross. You simply cannot compare him to a 18 year old playing his first season two leagues below and say he will become better because he uses his brain and can cross, the gap between league one and the top four of one of the best leagues in the world is immense. Loads of players are hyped up at a young age, Jermaine Pennant was supposed to be the new George Best. Others look like world beaters in the championship yet cant cut it in the premier league, think of Koumas, McSheffery, Earnshaw, even our own Gregorz Rasiak. I dont understand the logic in saying that a player will become better than another player who is already an international and top 4 club standard because he looks great against the likes of the mighty Gary Borrowdale of Carlise, especially when you take into account at the moment he isn't even the best player Saints have. nutshell
beatlesaint Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 At 22 years old, Walcott has played and scored in a Wembley cup final, finished every season in the top 4 of the premier league, scored a hatrick a played regularly for England, been to a world cup finals (admittedly as a bit part) played regularly and scored in the champions league. Not bad for a sprinter who cant cross. You simply cannot compare him to a 18 year old playing his first season two leagues below and say he will become better because he uses his brain and can cross, the gap between league one and the top four of one of the best leagues in the world is immense. Loads of players are hyped up at a young age, Jermaine Pennant was supposed to be the new George Best. Others look like world beaters in the championship yet cant cut it in the premier league, think of Koumas, McSheffery, Earnshaw, even our own Gregorz Rasiak. I dont understand the logic in saying that a player will become better than another player who is already an international and top 4 club standard because he looks great against the likes of the mighty Gary Borrowdale of Carlise, especially when you take into account at the moment he isn't even the best player Saints have. Dont dispute any of what you have said but it is my opinion that Alex will be a better player than Theo.
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 And when were hopefully in prem, how much will it cost to buy someone like oxo? The next step is getting into the prem then when we get there the next step is staying there,you don't want to be worrying about buying expensive prem quality players just yet. If oxo stays then great but if he goes then the money should be spent on giving us an advantage over the rest of the league,don't forget that we will have to compete with the 3 clubs coming down who will be flush with parachute money and will be paying inflated prices for players to try and go straight back up.
deadpanmatt Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 I'm imposing a ban on myself reading any thread like this all summer. Utterly pointless, pure speculation.
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2011 Posted 8 May, 2011 Dont dispute any of what you have said but it is my opinion that Alex will be a better player than Theo. If he is still with us, next season will be a better benchmark of this, IMO. Lets face it most home games this season it's not been a case of if we win, but by how many. It's easy to come into a team that is smashing everyone in sight and look good. We wont dominate teams like we do in this league with players who are head and shoulders above most others in this division. It'll be more of a level playing field and he'll come up against a better standard of defender. Plus he'll be playing at the same level as Theo did for us, lets not forget Theo has never had the honour of sprinting at Carlise, Wallsall and Dagenham & Redbridges defences week in week out.
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