sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Sadly, very little to argue with here. Is there much to be achieved in pursuit of locating her child by doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 shut up I take it you don't have childen of your own then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Couldn't agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Sadly, very little to argue with here. Is there much to be achieved in pursuit of locating her child by doing this? This. For a long, long time the McCanns defended their repeated public appearances with "anything that helps locate Maddy, we'll do. It's not about us". In no way, shape or form will this help find her. I'm also sure the parents of children who have since gone missing/passed away are also mightily p*ssed off with her attention seeking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Well said that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 (edited) This. For a long, long time the McCanns defended their repeated public appearances with "anything that helps locate Maddy, we'll do. It's not about us". In no way, shape or form will this help find her. I'm also sure the parents of children who have since gone missing/passed away are also mightily p*ssed off with her attention seeking. If the public outpourings were driven by grief then I could understand it, but there seems to be something of the narcissist in both of them. I often get the feeling this is about them, not Maddy. Edited 7 May, 2011 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. and again.Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. I hate to be the one to point this out to you, but she probably doesn't read this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I hate to be the one to point this out to you, but she probably doesn't read this forum. You are probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK_Phoey Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Here Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 TBF I haven't read the book so not sure what the content of it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Saint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Presumably the funds are drying up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I hate to be the one to point this out to you, but she probably doesn't read this forum. He could always go and post it on the Huddersfield forum. He is very popular over there, with his babyish "oh I feel so sorry for you, I have everything crossed that you will come up in the playoffs" posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. Correctamundo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 So Mrs McCann is now to publish a book in which we get to hear how traumatic this whole sad affair has been for her. Well how about poor Maddy? If you had done your job and been there for her rather than off enjoying yourself this would never have happened. You let her down. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but frankly I am sick off how you continue to drag your guilty pain through the public consciousness. The fault lies solely at the feet of you and your husband. If you had been a couple of chavs your lives would have been made a living hell by the media but because you are a nice, white, middle class couple they seem to bend over backwards to print every utterance and have given you an easy ride. You should be prosectued for child neglect. Having children is a ful time job. If you want time out for a while then you get someone in to care for them, you don't just leave them on their own. I understand your pain but you are the direct cause and you failed your child. Now please go away and grieve in private. I pretty much agree with most of that. However, if I had been similarly stupid, I would also be trying to keep my missing daughter in the public eye. If it meant I had to write a book to get more funds for a search*, then I'd do it. Ultimately, if you're a parent, you'd do anything to find a missing child (although I agree that if you're a decent parent, you don't leave your kids alone whilst you go out for a meal). *I'm assuming, by the way, that the cash is for the search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I pretty much agree with most of that. However, if I had been similarly stupid, I would also be trying to keep my missing daughter in the public eye. If it meant I had to write a book to get more funds for a search*, then I'd do it. Ultimately, if you're a parent, you'd do anything to find a missing child (although I agree that if you're a decent parent, you don't leave your kids alone whilst you go out for a meal). *I'm assuming, by the way, that the cash is for the search. She has said that 100% of the profits made from sales of the book will go towards the 'search'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 He could always go and post it on the Huddersfield forum. He is very popular over there, with his babyish "oh I feel so sorry for you, I have everything crossed that you will come up in the playoffs" posts. Strange little man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I pretty much agree with most of that. However, if I had been similarly stupid, I would also be trying to keep my missing daughter in the public eye. If it meant I had to write a book to get more funds for a search*, then I'd do it. Ultimately, if you're a parent, you'd do anything to find a missing child (although I agree that if you're a decent parent, you don't leave your kids alone whilst you go out for a meal). *I'm assuming, by the way, that the cash is for the search. You would like to think it is. Sadly I think that Maddy is probably dead. Either the way, the chances of her being found now must be minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I pretty much agree with most of that. However, if I had been similarly stupid, I would also be trying to keep my missing daughter in the public eye. If it meant I had to write a book to get more funds for a search*, then I'd do it. Ultimately, if you're a parent, you'd do anything to find a missing child (although I agree that if you're a decent parent, you don't leave your kids alone whilst you go out for a meal). *I'm assuming, by the way, that the cash is for the search. Totally agree, both with this and the OP. Unfortunately though they are now in a no win situation, cynics will see it as exploitation of a tragic situation, whilst others will sympathize with them. But it does leave a very uncomfortable feeling - what next, The Movie, Series, Talk Show...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Tragic MILF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 You would like to think it is. Sadly I think that Maddy is probably dead. Either the way, the chances of her being found now must be minimal. I don't know about you, but I sure as hell wouldn't give up if it was me. They'd have to produce a body for me to stop searching. I think that would be what every parent would do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleoldladysaint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 The OP is quite right - Kate McCann should never have left her child unattended, but no-one knows that better than her. But have some compassion for her, not only has she suffered the pain and horror of her child's abduction but also the unimaginable agony of knowing that but for her own foolhardiness it would never have happened. She will carry that knowledge to her grave. In the meantime she is desperately pursuing any avenue that she can in the hope of a miracle, she is trying so hard to put things right, but alas it will alwlays be 'too little too late'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I do have some compassion for her and I can't imagine her pain, but it has been some time now. There are lots of parents out there whose child has gone missing but they go about things with dignity. These people seem more concerned with themselves than with Maddy and her memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 (edited) I'm not too sure why some are saying that Kate McCann has to live with the guilt (of leaving her children unattended) without seeming to think that her husband must also live with that guilt. Surely both parents are to blame? I can't imagine the pain that both parents must still feel and, if I were to be in their shoes, I would do anything within my power to try to find the child. Edited 7 May, 2011 by bridge too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleoldladysaint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Yes, but other parents do not have the added burden of terrible guilt! That guilt will never leave them for the rest of their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Yes, but other parents do not have the added burden of terrible guilt! That guilt will never leave them for the rest of their lives. I am sure it will, but why keep airing it in public? It is like picking at a scab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I'm not too sure why some are saying that Kate McCann has to live with the guilt (of leaving her children unattended) without seeming to think that her husband must also live with that guilt. Surely both parents are to blame? I can't imagine the pain that both parents must still feel and, if I were to be in their shoes, I would do anything within my power to try to find the child. Yes they are, but she seems to be the one who is constantly in the media. I just found today's press tasteless and unnecessary. What they both did that night was unforgiveable and they will carry the guilt of their carelessness and selfishness to the grave. BUt by constantly raacking it up are they really trying to do their best for Maddy are just assuage their guilt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleoldladysaint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 You are absolutely right BTF, both parents share the responsibility/guilt. However,when it comes to the day to day care of very small children, I have always found it is Mum who has the final say - it certainly was in this household! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I have to admit there is a slightly cynical part of me that responds to '"we only want the truth" with "well why not admit you know where she is". As pointed out above, if this was a couple of chavs the Mail, etc, would be ripping them to shreds, but as it's a couple of doctors it is all tears and sympathy. Let them have their grief, but for pity's sake, not 8 ( I think ) pages of today's papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I have to admit there is a slightly cynical part of me that responds to '"we only want the truth" with "well why not admit you know where she is". I readily admit I am no psychologist, neither do I have any experience in the investigation of child disappearance / abduction cases. However, it has long been my suspicion that there is more to this case than meets the eye. There is just something about the body language of the two of them during their umpteen thousand public 'appeals for information' that doesn't sit right with me and makes me think that they know what actually happened to Maddy but have continued this public 'search' as a way of deflecting any suspicion. For the record, I am not making any unfounded accusations here, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that they used some sedatives to get her to sleep (as has been suggested previously) which inadvertently killed her, and they cooked up the abduction story as a cover. I guess we will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Why were they never prosecuted for Child Abandonment !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I readily admit I am no psychologist, neither do I have any experience in the investigation of child disappearance / abduction cases. However, it has long been my suspicion that there is more to this case than meets the eye. There is just something about the body language of the two of them during their umpteen thousand public 'appeals for information' that doesn't sit right with me and makes me think that they know what actually happened to Maddy but have continued this public 'search' as a way of deflecting any suspicion. For the record, I am not making any unfounded accusations here, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that they used some sedatives to get her to sleep (as has been suggested previously) which inadvertently killed her, and they cooked up the abduction story as a cover. I guess we will never know. I am with you here. No matter how incompetant the police, they must have had some reason to doubt the McCanns. Awful to lose a child in this way and even worse to be suspects if innocent, but I too feel that there is more to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Presumably the funds are drying up again Shame Kate and Gerry decided to spend some of the fund on the mortgage for their 500 grand house a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Shame Kate and Gerry decided to spend some of the fund on the mortgage for their 500 grand house a few years ago Is this true? They've moved house since Maddie went missing? Because, generally speaking, I would expect two doctors to be able to easily afford a £500K house - on their salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Well if they hadnt been so selfish and left Maddy and her brother alone so they could party , then she would be still about today. And Maddy parents were professional people type to shut up and stop the bleeding heart crusade, Take responsibiltiy for your own actions you are to blame you are the parents and should have set an example Its sad that maddy is still missing but he mcanns need to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 This case s not too disimilar to the diwanni case, Did they not both use Max cliford to protest their innocence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I am amazed that the fact they were shyt parents is never mentioned!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Is this true? They've moved house since Maddie went missing? Because, generally speaking, I would expect two doctors to be able to easily afford a £500K house - on their salaries. well known fact http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/30/ukcrime.madeleinemccann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 well known fact http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/30/ukcrime.madeleinemccann Oh so not quite as the headline would have you believe - only made two payments because they'd taken 6 months' unpaid leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Oh so not quite as the headline would have you believe - only made two payments because they'd taken 6 months' unpaid leave. I bet they were the envy of thousands of parents who'd had a child go missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I bet they were the envy of thousands of parents who'd had a child go missing If I were a parent of a child who went missing, I'd have far more to worry about to have time to envy (if that's the right word in this context) others. I've got a completely open mind about this whole story and I'm not going to judge someone based on other people's speculation and gossip, or hysterical newspaper headlines (yeah, even the Guardian). If, as it seems, the constitution of the fund allowed for mortgage payments to be made until the McCanns and the Fund decided to discontinue that (once they'd been made 'arguidos' (sp)) then no-one should have an issue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I think the people who gave money did so thinking that it would go towards the seach for Maddy rather than paying off mortgage payments - even if only 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I think the people who gave money did so thinking that it would go towards the seach for Maddy rather than paying off mortgage payments - even if only 2. Oh I think you're absolutely right! But I suppose it could be argued that, by taking 6 months' unpaid leave, they were increasing the chance of finding her. And I imagine the Fund had Trustees (these things usually do) so it would be up to the Trustees to allow these two payments. I think, if my child was missing, I'd find what ever financial support I could to continue the search by underwriting my family's living costs. After all, they had two other children to support too. Of course, the difference is that most of us wouldn't be in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 What a bunch of sanctimonious tosspots you lot are. You're all so bloody self-righteous - reading through this thread you lot make me want to vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 What a bunch of sanctimonious tosspots you lot are. You're all so bloody self-righteous - reading through this thread you lot make me want to vomit. Would you like to contribute anything of relevance to the debate other than demonstrating your outrage about, what are afterall, merely other peoples' opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 If the public outpourings were driven by grief then I could understand it, but there seems to be something of the narcissist in both of them. I often get the feeling this is about them, not Maddy. I dont know any more about the McCanns than anybody else on this forum, but I do remember one of the detectives in charge of the case saying in an interview that he had to practically drag them into doing a press interview and a subsequent documentary in the hope that it would help to find the poor kid. Its easy to make snap judgements based on media reports and speculation but I doubt that any of us will ever genuinely know what actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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