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From interviews, you get the impression that it will be more a case of quality than quantity - letting this season's momentum carry us and not disrupting a good team spirit. As such its quite conceivable we'll be looking at one or two premiership or thereabouts-type players. Only position that is close to a dead-cert is a pacy LM- N'guessan was brought in for the Puncheon who can now be sold and Lee Holmes will probably be released.

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he played 4 games from season start (in Lamberts absence) before being injured himself.

after several weeks he returned and came off the bench 3 times scoring once.

 

He then sustained a more serious injury and was out for several months.

When he returned he made 3 (very short sub apps,) and scored once,

and finally came into the side after Barnard was injured....played 4 games from the start and scored twice, and was unfortunate not to score another, (as was seen) when he beat the (Plymouth ?) goalie all ends up... but hit the bar from a long way out.

 

Some argue he is injury-prone and (at 33) he certainly has had his share, but he is in another class to all others in the squad.

 

For me, like Pahars, I'd keep him as long as he could still run, because IF he stayed fit... I'd consider 15-20 goals in the CCC

to be quite possible, aside from his obvious influence on the pitch as a role model for younger players.

 

In total for season: started 8 games, came on as sub,(very short apps.) 6 times = 4 goals. Not Bad, eh?

 

4 goals in a season for a striker isn't bad? It's irrelevant WHY he only scored 4 goals. It's still only 4 goals. A 1-1 draw is a 1-1 draw. It doesn't say "1-1, but Southampton win because Connolly scored and he's different class."

 

As for 15-20 in a season, you have got to be winding me up on that one?

 

Connolly's last 5 years:

4 goals in 18 apps

7 goals in 23 apps

0 goals in 5 apps

13 goals in 39 apps

7 goals in 27 apps

 

Hasn't reached double figures since 06/07 and you think he's suddenly going to get fit and start banging 'em in?

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I'm hoping for 4 quality "first XI" players and one or two "up and coming" youngsters. I would expect a few sales/releases, Mills, Puncheon, Holmes, Forecast and Davis OR Bart.

 

INS

 

GK: Either someone very experienced like shay Given for a couple of years or a Joe Lewis type.

CB: Someone in the mould of RJ, someone like Newton of Forest perhaps.

CM: This is possibly the most important signing. I think we need a real ball winner who can dictate the game. Many have mentioned Jack Cork and he would be great. Mind you the way Morgan played for about 40 mins on Sat - after the first 15-20 - we may already have him. Even so we need someone better than we have.

CF: Its vital that we get someone in better than we have. I don't think we lack a Ricky back-up as I think both Forte and Guly could "do a job" if needed. I would love is to sign CMS or Danny Graham.

 

It would also be good to sign Dale Jennings as someone who is still developing and has huge potential and would be good back-up for Lallana.

 

Its going to be an exciting summer!

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Midfield is great.

Defence is largely fine: could perhaps do with another central defender(replace Jaidi if he is passed it? Though judging by recent performances, might not be necessary! Though I'm not entirely sure on Seabourne's quality yet... so central defender.)

Up front: Could do with another addition, Connolly won't last another season and also just isn't good enough in my opinion, especially in the Championship.

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If the manager is going to be true to his "we're all on the bus" philosophy, then he will be loyal to the players who have got us this far, especially as the squad was assembled to play in the Championship. I think he will be mainly looking for the extra pace that we lack when AOC is missing. Not sure that we need another central midfielder, except maybe a squad player if we don't retain Stephens. I hope Butterfield is kept on.

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I really don't think we need to replace Kelvin. He has another couple of good seasons in him and Bart is ready and waiting to take his place. I'd personally stick with KD for the next season and use every opportunity to get Bart in, when sensible to do so, with a view to those positions being swapped the year after. If we get to the Prem in one season, that's the only time I'd consider changing keepers.

 

There will be many teams competing against us next season that would love to take KD off of our hands. Or Bart, for that matter.

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We will not get out of the Championship without players with Premier League experience

 

Absolutely. Not necessarily an entire squad, but Prem experience in key positions. You get out of the CCC by being better than all the other teams. The other teams have CCC players, so we need to match and better that.

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Someone says its going to be an exciting summer but Nigel says the squad doesn't need much change, I'll back Nigel. Our new club is not a selling club and it's not going to be a big buying club it's going to set a realistic business model and be an example of what's required in all football, and we'll win matches as well because the players will be secure

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Dean Hammond will be a great squad player for us next year but i think we need a top quality CM with prem experience, someone that can really pull the strings.

 

I'd rather see us bring in 2 or 3 quality players in select positions then a whole collection of squad players.

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connolly is class and should be kept on as back up. need a right back. richardson doesnt inspire me. need a pacey CB, even fonte lacks genuine pace. a creative midfielder to provide competition with lallana and ox. it is proven with out lallana we are nowhere near as effective. cms would be a good signing.

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connolly is class and should be kept on as back up. need a right back. richardson doesnt inspire me. need a pacey CB, even fonte lacks genuine pace. a creative midfielder to provide competition with lallana and ox. it is proven with out lallana we are nowhere near as effective. cms would be a good signing.

 

What exactly is genuine pace? Johnno Quick pace in a centre back is very very rare, in fact i cant think of a single centre back that been known for their pace since Des Walker.

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I think we need a 'headline' signing first of all ( Michael Owen type or someone with huge respect in the game ?) as this would encourage other potential targets and show that we are seriously making a push for the big time !

Knowing NC and NA though it will probably all be very low key, but my suggestion does send out a message about our intenetions !

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connolly is class and should be kept on as back up. need a right back. richardson doesnt inspire me. need a pacey CB, even fonte lacks genuine pace. a creative midfielder to provide competition with lallana and ox. it is proven with out lallana we are nowhere near as effective. cms would be a good signing.

 

this. I cant understand why anybody would think we ought to ditch him, he has been so effective even when not fully fit and coming off the bench, and tbf I dont think we would have cruised through the promotion run-in without him. Really excellent player.

 

What exactly is genuine pace? Johnno Quick pace in a centre back is very very rare, in fact i cant think of a single centre back that been known for their pace since Des Walker.

 

Agree with this as well. And fwiw I think Jaidi will do just fine in the NPC.

 

Cant see NA making too many changes in the window myself. He has obviously been building a team to compete in a league above, and wholesale changes wouldnt help the cohesion we have now.

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We could go in for players released by the promoted teams - some good ones in QPR for example. For the most part though I think as others have said, Adkins will not want to disrupt the spirit of the side and we do have some good players here already that don't on the team sheet every week. There are goals in this team and I also reckon that the NPC will suit our style more than L1.

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What exactly is genuine pace? Johnno Quick pace in a centre back is very very rare, in fact i cant think of a single centre back that been known for their pace since Des Walker.

 

dont have be usain bolt but we are most vulrenable when we are up against pace. Example Peterborough away and even at sms against them they had quite a few chances due to their pace upfront. Jaidi will be fine against a big strong target man but we need a good pacey option at the back as well.

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IMO

 

Release -

Jaidi - free

Connolly - free

Holmes - free

Seabourne - £200k

Stephens - from loan

N'Guessan - from loan

 

Additions -

Centre Back - one from Mancienne/ Kelvin Wilson/ Wes Morgan/ Matthew Mills/ Bikey/ Ashley Williams/ Emerson Boyce

Right Back - one from Nathanial Clyne/ Tyrone Mears

Left Back - Ryan Bertrand (loan)

Centre Mid - one from Marvin Elliott/ Neil Danns/ Darren Pratley/ Jack Cork/ Andy King/ Hendry Thomas

Wingers - Dale Jennings/ Jimmy Kebe/ Chris Eagles/ Wade Elliott/ Victor Moses/ Matt Phillips/ Max Gradel

Strikers - one from James Vaughan/ CMS/ Steve Morrison/ Danny Graham

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What do Davis, BUtterfield, Jaidi, Chaplow & Connolly all have in common?

 

Other tha Jaidi the rest are "failed" premier league players.

My initial point was that it is pointless for people to keep listing other league one players as potential targets we should be concentrating on fringe Premier league players

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We newd quality wide Midfield

 

Guly is a great option but is not a grind out results Wide Right midfielder.

 

We have to expect that AOC will be gone, let's face it it is all about the deal for him now. So again we are back to needing that option off the bench - maybe that would be Forte but I think we need a quality experienced RMF in that role

 

Hammond & Chaplow are similar cover the miles players but we need someone BETTER than them to come in, having them as cover with MS gives us a decent MF.

 

We still need that striker, but can we find someone BETTER than Rickie or DC? Finding a better quality player than Barnard is more easy BUT Barnard has those different strengths to defend from the front. So up front is the only place I see we need to add "cover" rather than quality.

 

So 2 quality MF players and a cover striker, then it comes down to what the management believe Jaidi can do next year.

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Other tha Jaidi the rest are "failed" premier league players.

My initial point was that it is pointless for people to keep listing other league one players as potential targets we should be concentrating on fringe Premier league players

 

Fringe Premier league players? Would they not also fit the "failed" premier league players category? I agree though, silly looking at L1 players unless they are the very best ones capable of player at a higher level.

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IMO

 

Release -

Jaidi - free

Connolly - free

Holmes - free

Seabourne - £200k

Stephens - from loan

N'Guessan - from loan

 

Additions -

Centre Back - one from Mancienne/ Kelvin Wilson/ Wes Morgan/ Matthew Mills/ Bikey/ Ashley Williams/ Emerson Boyce

Right Back - one from Nathanial Clyne/ Tyrone Mears

Left Back - Ryan Bertrand (loan)

Centre Mid - one from Marvin Elliott/ Neil Danns/ Darren Pratley/ Jack Cork/ Andy King/ Hendry Thomas

Wingers - Dale Jennings/ Jimmy Kebe/ Chris Eagles/ Wade Elliott/ Victor Moses/ Matt Phillips/ Max Gradel

Strikers - one from James Vaughan/ CMS/ Steve Morrison/ Danny Graham

 

So basically a new team then?

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Yeh, but a dominant playmaker like him is what we need. Danns is mentioned a lot but I've not seen him play.

 

thank god for that, i hoped no one would seriously be mad enough to think England International and FWA footballer of the year, wanted by Tottenham in january would join Saints ahead of them.

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speed is what you need. i had the misfortune to watch leeds p*mpey earlier in the season and noticed the difference was how fast they played. both teams would have beaten us on the day and unless we improve on that score we will be lower mid table at best. i hate to say it but rickie lambert will struggle against quick strong defenders, and the target man might work at the 3rd tier but not higher.

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speed is what you need. i had the misfortune to watch leeds p*mpey earlier in the season and noticed the difference was how fast they played. both teams would have beaten us on the day and unless we improve on that score we will be lower mid table at best. i hate to say it but rickie lambert will struggle against quick strong defenders, and the target man might work at the 3rd tier but not higher.

 

In that case we should get all the players out there chasing chickens pre season, it worked for Rocky Balboa.

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speed is what you need. i had the misfortune to watch leeds p*mpey earlier in the season and noticed the difference was how fast they played. both teams would have beaten us on the day and unless we improve on that score we will be lower mid table at best. i hate to say it but rickie lambert will struggle against quick strong defenders, and the target man might work at the 3rd tier but not higher.

 

Disagree - Grant Holt has done a blinding job for Norwich this season and he is no more mobile than Rickie.

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Out of contract players

 

 

ARSENAL

Manuel Almunia

 

ASTON VILLA

Brad Friedel

Andy Marshall

Eric Lichaj

Luke Young

Isaiah Osbourne

Robert Pires

Nigel Reo-Coker

Moustapha Salifou

John Carew

 

BIRMINGHAM

Colin Doyle

Maik Taylor

Stephen Carr

Martin Jiranek

David Murphy

Stuart Parnaby

Lee Bowyer

Sebastian Larsson

James McFadden

Jordon Mutch

Kevin Phillips

 

BLACKBURN

Pascal Chimbonda

Michel Salgado

Benjani Mwaruwari

Jason Roberts

 

BLACKPOOL

Matthew Gilks

Mark Halstead

Richard Kingson

Paul Rachubka

Stephen Crainey

Neal Eardley

Rob Edwards

Ian Evatt

Dekel Keinan

David Carney

Jason Euel

Malaury Martin

Keith Southern

David Vaughan

Billy Clarke

Brett Ormerod

Gary Taylor-Fletcher

 

BOLTON

Adam Bogdan

Jlloyd Samuel

Gretar Steinsson

Tamir Cohen

Ricardo Gardner

Joey O’Brien

Mustapha Riga

Robbie Blake

Johan Elmander

 

CHELSEA

Henrique Hilario

Jose Bosingwa

 

EVERTON

Iain Turner

Seamus Coleman

Victor Anichebe

 

FULHAM

Neil Etheridge

Matthew Briggs

John Pantsil

Zoltan Gera

Danny Murphy

Eddie Johnson

Diomansy Kamara

 

LIVERPOOL

Sotirios Kyrgiakos

 

MANCHESTER CITY

Shaleum Logan

Patrick Vieira

 

MANCHESTER UNITED

Edwin van der Sar

Gary Neville

Ryan Giggs

Owen Hargreaves

Paul Scholes

Michael Owen

 

NEWCASTLE

Sol Campbell

Kazenga LuaLua

 

STOKE

Carlo Nash

Thomas Sorensen

Abdoulaye Faye

Rory Delap

Ricardo Fuller

Eidur Gudjohnsen

 

SUNDERLAND

John Mensah

David Meyler

Boudewijn Zenden

 

TOTTENHAM

Carlo Cudicini

William Gallas

Jonathan Woodgate

 

WEST BROM

Dean Kiely

Marek Cech

Abdoulaye Meite

Jonas Olsson

Giles Barnes

Simon Cox

 

WEST HAM

Robert Green

Daniel Gabbidon

Lars Jacobsen

Jonathan Spector

Matthew Upson

Kieron Dyer

Zavon Hines

Victor Obinna

 

WIGAN

Mike Pollitt

Stephen Caldwell

Piscu

Daniel De Ridder

 

WOLVES

Marcus Hahnemann

Jody Craddock

David Jones

Michael Kightl

 

Barnsley

Martin Devaney

Andy Gray

Matt Hill

Garry O'Connor

David Preece

 

Bristol City

Louis Carey

Lee Johnson

Ivan Sproule

Stephen Henderson

John Akinde

Pat Hoban

Jimmy Keohane

Joe Edwards

Danny Ball

 

Burnley

Wade Elliott

Chris McCann

Steven Thompson

Kevin McDonald

Remco van der Schaaf

 

Cardiff

Jay Bothroyd

Chris Burke

Adam Matthews

Gavin Rae

 

Coventry

Nathan Cameron

Lee Carsley

Jordan Clarke

Aron Gunnarsson

Danny Ireland

Marlon King

Michael McIndoe

Stephen O'Halloran

Isaac Osbourne

Kieren W******d

Connor Grogan

Shaun Jeffers

Michael Quirke

 

Crystal Palace

Neil Danns

Claude Davis

Steffen Iversen

 

 

Derby

Michael Boulding

Saul Deeney

Chris Porter

 

Doncaster

Steve Brooker

James Chambers

Paul Keegan

Dean Shiels

Dennis Souza

Neill Sullivan

Wayne Thomas

Ryan Burge

Byron Webster

 

Hull

Nick Barmby

Matt Duke

Craig Fagan

Richard García

Mark Oxley

Nolberto Solano

Kevin Kilbane

Anthony Gardner

Will Atkinson

 

Ipswich

Troy Brown

Damien Delaney

Tom Eastman

Carlos Edwards

Colin Healy

Conor Hourihane

Luke Hyam

Arran Lee-Barrett

Gareth McAuley

Brian Murphy

David Norris

Alan Quinn

Kevin Lisbie

Pablo Counago

 

Leeds

Shane Higgs

Bradley Johnson

Neil Kilkenny

Patrick Kisnorbo

Richard Naylor

Zac Thompson

Will Hatfield

 

Leicester

Ricardo

Aleksandar Tunchev

Darius Vassell

 

Middlesbrough

Julio Arca

Danny Coyne

Willo Flood

Andrew Taylor

 

Millwall

Shaun Batt

Danny Schofield

Marc Laird

Andy Frampton

John Sullivan

 

Norwich

Jens Berthel Askou

Matthew Gill

Josh Dawkin

Sam Habergham

Matthew Ball

 

Nottingham Forest

Dele Adebola

Julian Bennett

Robert Earnshaw

Guy Moussi

Zannetos Mytides

Nialle Rodney

 

Portsmouth

Michael Brown

Nadir Ciftci

Darryl Flahavan

Hermann Hreidarsson

Richard Hughes

David Nugent

Danny Webber

Peter Gregory

Tom Kilbey

 

Preston

Andreas Arestidou

Chris Brown

Darren Carter

Jamie Douglas

Billy Jones

Neal Trotman

 

QPR

Radek Cerny

Heidar Helguson

Peter Ramage

Martin Rowlands

Danny s**ttu

Georgios Tofas

Gavin Mahon

 

Reading

Brynjar Gunnarsson

Ivar Ingimarsson

Hal Robson-Kanu

 

S****horpe United

David Mirfin

Joe Murphy

Eddie Nolan

Sam Slocombe

Josh Wright

Paris Cowan-Hall

Ian Morris

 

Sheffield United

Ryan France

Rob Kozluk

 

Swansea

Ferrie Bodde

Thomas Butler

Dorus de Vries

Yves Ma-Kalambay

Darren Pratley

Angel Rangel

Albert Serran

Cederic Van der Gun

Gorka Pintado

 

Watford

Dale Bennett

Don Cowie

Matt Whichelow

Nathan Ellington

Rob Kiernan

Mat Sadler

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thats a fair point! An exception proving the rule :D

 

The Chamionship is full of big lumps playing upfront, just about every side has one be it Hiedur Helgusson or Jay Bothroyd last time we were in the champ the most common complaint on here was that we didn't have a massive out house of a centre back capable of dealing with all the big lumps we cam up against.

 

I think Rickie will be pretty effective in the Championship especially against some of the lower ability teams.

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FFS - Rickie is not a target man, though. He wins a few headers but he loses far more than you would expect from a 'big lump'. He's a big lad but is much better when the ball is played his feet and he's dropping deep and picking out passes- he's a converted AM. Arguably Barnard holds up the ball better RL.

 

As to the targetmen in the NPC, you're more likely to find that big lumps are a bit more mobile and athletic.

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I'm hoping for 4 quality "first XI" players and one or two "up and coming" youngsters. I would expect a few sales/releases, Mills, Puncheon, Holmes, Forecast and Davis OR Bart.

 

INS

 

GK: Either someone very experienced like shay Given for a couple of years or a Joe Lewis type.

CB: Someone in the mould of RJ, someone like Newton of Forest perhaps.

CM: This is possibly the most important signing. I think we need a real ball winner who can dictate the game. Many have mentioned Jack Cork and he would be great. Mind you the way Morgan played for about 40 mins on Sat - after the first 15-20 - we may already have him. Even so we need someone better than we have.

CF: Its vital that we get someone in better than we have. I don't think we lack a Ricky back-up as I think both Forte and Guly could "do a job" if needed. I would love is to sign CMS or Danny Graham.

 

It would also be good to sign Dale Jennings as someone who is still developing and has huge potential and would be good back-up for Lallana.

 

Its going to be an exciting summer!

 

Shay Given??????? He'll be at Arsenal or Utd next season...

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4 goals in a season for a striker isn't bad? It's irrelevant WHY he only scored 4 goals. It's still only 4 goals. A 1-1 draw is a 1-1 draw. It doesn't say "1-1, but Southampton win because Connolly scored and he's different class."

As for 15-20 in a season, you have got to be winding me up on that one?

Connolly's last 5 years:

4 goals in 18 apps

7 goals in 23 apps

0 goals in 5 apps

13 goals in 39 apps

7 goals in 27 apps

 

Hasn't reached double figures since 06/07 and you think he's suddenly going to get fit and start banging 'em in?

 

 

I would have thought everyone realised he'd been out injured for most of the season, but the fact that he managed those 4 goals in 8 starts

and a couple of short sub. apps. does show that he can still cut it. Besides, being a striker isn't just about scoring yourself.

 

Brett Ormerod (recognised by many as a good pairing with James Beattie (who did score goals ) only managed 11 goals from 98 apps.

in over 4 seasons with Saints.

Your own stats. show that Connolly hasn't played full season - or even half seasons, but he can still put in good performances.

 

I'd like to think (and I'm sure you would also ) ...see him fully fit, available for selection and scoring goals next season.

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FFS - Rickie is not a target man, though. He wins a few headers but he loses far more than you would expect from a 'big lump'. He's a big lad but is much better when the ball is played his feet and he's dropping deep and picking out passes- he's a converted AM. Arguably Barnard holds up the ball better RL.

 

As to the targetmen in the NPC, you're more likely to find that big lumps are a bit more mobile and athletic.

 

Football is all about opinions but I would say that the one thing that LB can't do is hold the ball up with his back to goal. Any long ball played into him invariably bounces off and his second touch needs to be a tackle. He's great at other things, gets shots away and has a poachers instinct, but for me he'll struggle in the Championship and is the main reason why we need another striker. RL is excellent with the ball at his feet. He has great close control and can pick out a great pass. He might not have too much pace but that's what we will need to buy in.

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