Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 The headline key points were; The Lib Dems have had their worst local election result since the party was formed, losing control of several key councils in England. The SNP have won an overall majority in Scotland. The Conservatives have held their ground in England. Labour have made gains in Wales, but suffered a terrible night in Scotland. What do people make of these sets of results and what is the future for the UK on the back of Labour losing their Scottish heartlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Scotland is interesting though. Labour didn't have such a terrible night as first thought. The Lib Dem vote collapsed and went entirely to the SNP; Labours failure was to not be able to sweep up those votes. I think at the next general election or next year it will be different. The Lib Dems have done dreadful in Northern England, but have held up much better in the south where they are already established. I think the real test will be next years locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Scotland is interesting though. Labour didn't have such a terrible night as first thought. The Lib Dem vote collapsed and went entirely to the SNP; Labours failure was to not be able to sweep up those votes. I think at the next general election or next year it will be different. This seems to be the Labour line, I've heard it over and over again today. Makes you wonder why the Leader is standing down. As an "English Nat", I'm hoping that the Scots are starting to eye and independent state. Labour fully expected to win in Scotland and pick up the Lib/Dem votes. If they cant pick them up in Scotland,they're not going to do so in the South of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Can someone explain to me what Scottish independence would mean in real terms for the UK if it were to happen? I know it is still a million miles from happening, but from what I gather the SNP getting a majority on Scotland today is a huge step in the right direction for the people that want it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 This seems to be the Labour line, I've heard it over and over again today. Makes you wonder why the Leader is standing down. As an "English Nat", I'm hoping that the Scots are starting to eye and independent state. Labour fully expected to win in Scotland and pick up the Lib/Dem votes. If they cant pick them up in Scotland,they're not going to do so in the South of England. Scottish national elections are different to general elections. The problem was Labours leader ****e campaign and Alex Salmonds corresponding popularity. Laboru kept its core vote, it just didn't sweep up the Lib Dem collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2011/05/shout_of_joy_for_snp.html Quite a good summary of what happened in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Can someone explain to me what Scottish independence would mean in real terms for the UK if it were to happen? I know it is still a million miles from happening, but from what I gather the SNP getting a majority on Scotland today is a huge step in the right direction for the people that want it to happen. much of the MoD being moved out of scotland..despite the MoD being the biggest employer in scotland.. I would welcome that...faslane is a hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Lets hope this heralds independence for England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 I was musing about the situation in Scotland today and wondered what would be the outcome of a Referendum on Scotland leaving the Union. In many ways, because of the unfairness of the West Lothian question, unless that was addressed so that Scottish MPs did not have any say in English matters, I would then favour the Union being dissolved. However, I was wondering about a situation whereby perhaps there were devolved Parliaments for each of the constituent Countries of the UK and some sort of UK Parliament to deal with matters of defence, foreign policy, etc. Maybe the House of Lords could be replaced with some sort of elected Senate to act as the UK Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2011/05/shout_of_joy_for_snp.html Quite a good summary of what happened in Scotland. Sums it up well. I do wonder what depth the SNP have below Alex Salmond... he is incredibly popular, way more so than anyone else in his party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Can someone explain to me what Scottish independence would mean in real terms for the UK if it were to happen? I know it is still a million miles from happening, but from what I gather the SNP getting a majority on Scotland today is a huge step in the right direction for the people that want it to happen. That is the interesting question, if people think the Yes/No campaign was full of half truths and lies, wait for the independance vote. I think a Federation is the only way to go, because the people and companies of England and Scotland are too linked together. There's the issue of North Sea oil, of the bank bail outs, and all sorts of other issues. Whilst "Ethnic cleansing" of all the English based Jocks would carry some appeal, it's proberly not policically correct. My hope is that a more nationalistic Scotland will lead the English to wake up and demend some sort of devolution for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 scotland (by law) cannot claim independence. westminster holds the key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 scotland (by law) cannot claim independence. westminster holds the key An overwhelming vote in a referendum would be hard to ignore though!!! And what next??? All those down your neck of the woods will be demanding independence for Kernow!! If so, I want freedom for Wessex. I'm forming the Wessex Action for a Nation and Kingdom Excluding Romsey & Salisbury (and Portsmuff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 (edited) An overwhelming vote in a referendum would be hard to ignore though!!! And what next??? All those down your neck of the woods will be demanding independence for Kernow!! If so, I want freedom for Wessex. I'm forming the Wessex Action for a Nation and Kingdom Excluding Romsey & Salisbury (and Portsmuff) haha there are many people in the deepest parts of cornwall who still see themselves as a "seperate" entity...they proudly fly their own flag... Edited 6 May, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 haha there are many people in the deepest parts of cornwall who still see themselves as a "seperate" entity...they proudly fly their own flag... There are many people in the deepest parts of Cornwall, who most likely are a seperate entity! Banjo sales must be at an all time high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Labour haven't moved in Scotland, the SNP have just taken the majority of the Lib Dem votes. Talking of which, lets hope their disaster and the No vote is the end of the sell-out Clegg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 And Brighton and Hove council is still hung but the largest party is the Greens - they held all seats and picked up 10 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 As my son says : "With Salmond in charge, and Sturgeon as his deputy, there is something fishy going on north of the border". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 As my son says : "With Salmond in charge, and Sturgeon as his deputy, there is something fishy going on north of the border". I hake it when people indulge in word play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I hake it when people indulge in word play. It's hardly your plaice to object!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 For the Tories to gain 81 extra Councillors a year into tough austerity measures is a fantastic result for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2011 Ed Milliband says Labour fightback begins in Scotland-29/10/10. He said about the SNP in the same speech ""Let's make next May's election a referendum on the job they have done for the people of Scotland." He has the answer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 May, 2011 Share Posted 7 May, 2011 I don't think a massive proportion of Scots would be for independence - not now anyway. If the opportunity had arisen for independence before the North Sea oil reserves were drained then I imagine not many would have objected to becoming a super-rich oil state. The SNP are the most popular party in Scotland mainly because of Alex Salmond, probably not for their policies on independence. I read somewhere a while back that if Scotland were to gain independence within the next 5 years then it would be one of the poorest countries in Europe (it already has the poorest quality of life in Western Europe by far). Oh, and my uncle was elected Labour Councillor for Didcot yesterday - so thanks to all those who voted for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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