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knows where the net is, buynplease not another lazy striker who stands around waiting for chances to fall for him on a plate. Stern John was bad enough...

 

lol. Are you for real? Stern John scored 20 odd goals in the season we narrowly avoid relegation, 2 of them came on the last day of the seasn to keep us up. Standing around waiting for chances to fall in his lap?!! Do you not think that tactic might be picked up on by championship stand defenders?!! Id be delighted if one of our strikers used that tactic and bagged 20 goals plus in the championship next season.

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knows where the net is, buynplease not another lazy striker who stands around waiting for chances to fall for him on a plate. Stern John was bad enough...

 

lol. Are you for real? Stern John scored 20 odd goals in the season we narrowly avoid relegation, 2 of them came on the last day of the seasn to keep us up. Standing around waiting for chances to fall in his lap?!! Do you not think that tactic might be picked up on by championship stand defenders?!! Id be delighted if one of our strikers used that tactic and bagged 20 goals plus in the championship next season.

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lol. Are you for real? Stern John scored 20 odd goals in the season we narrowly avoid relegation, 2 of them came on the last day of the seasn to keep us up. Standing around waiting for chances to fall in his lap?!! Do you not think that tactic might be picked up on by championship stand defenders?!! Id be delighted if one of our strikers used that tactic and bagged 20 goals plus in the championship next season.

 

seriously, we are going to have very disappointed fans come sept 1st if these are the standards...owen not good enough, parker may sign....

 

ffs, deluded saints fans

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lol. Are you for real? Stern John scored 20 odd goals in the season we narrowly avoid relegation, 2 of them came on the last day of the seasn to keep us up. Standing around waiting for chances to fall in his lap?!! Do you not think that tactic might be picked up on by championship stand defenders?!! Id be delighted if one of our strikers used that tactic and bagged 20 goals plus in the championship next season.

 

seriously, we are going to have very disappointed fans come sept 1st if these are the standards...owen not good enough, parker may sign....

 

ffs, deluded saints fans

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West ham have had a bid for Kevin Nolan turned down by Newcastle,few clubs in the NPC starting to make some moves in the Transfermarket,

Ipswich,Brimingham for example.Brighton have been active also,players in and out,thought as we were a promoted side we would be moving fairly decisively,i'm sure we will in time,i hope.

All seems very quiet on the SFC front.No substantiated links to anyone as yet,is there?

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West ham have had a bid for Kevin Nolan turned down by Newcastle,few clubs in the NPC starting to make some moves in the Transfermarket,

Ipswich,Brimingham for example.Brighton have been active also,players in and out,thought as we were a promoted side we would be moving fairly decisively,i'm sure we will in time,i hope.

All seems very quiet on the SFC front.No substantiated links to anyone as yet,is there?

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West ham have had a bid for Kevin Nolan turned down by Newcastle,few clubs in the NPC starting to make some moves in the Transfermarket,

Ipswich,Brimingham for example.

All seems very quiet on the SFC front.No substantiated links to anyone as yet,is there?

 

why are west ham doing that...NickG told us all that they are screwed beyond belief and will not challenge at all

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West ham have had a bid for Kevin Nolan turned down by Newcastle,few clubs in the NPC starting to make some moves in the Transfermarket,

Ipswich,Brimingham for example.

All seems very quiet on the SFC front.No substantiated links to anyone as yet,is there?

 

why are west ham doing that...NickG told us all that they are screwed beyond belief and will not challenge at all

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West ham have had a bid for Kevin Nolan turned down by Newcastle,few clubs in the NPC starting to make some moves in the Transfermarket,

Ipswich,Brimingham for example.

All seems very quiet on the SFC front.No substantiated links to anyone as yet,is there?

 

There never is with us, and it will always be quiet. Every transfer window has been managed fantastically, you never know who we're going to sign until it's announced. Much better than weeks and weeks of will he/wont he.

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West ham have had a bid for Kevin Nolan turned down by Newcastle,few clubs in the NPC starting to make some moves in the Transfermarket,

Ipswich,Brimingham for example.

All seems very quiet on the SFC front.No substantiated links to anyone as yet,is there?

 

There never is with us, and it will always be quiet. Every transfer window has been managed fantastically, you never know who we're going to sign until it's announced. Much better than weeks and weeks of will he/wont he.

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why are west ham doing that...NickG told us all that they are screwed beyond belief and will not challenge at all

 

West Ham are in serious financial trouble, happy to keep you informed. Personal opinion is that I am still not convinced they will be challenging to win the league- although like most sensible people feel we can't really say much until further down transfer window.

 

Depends how much owners go **** or bust for promotion this season.

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they are in serious financial trouble, happy to keep you informed. Personal opinion is that I don't think they will be challenging - although like most sensible people feel we can really say much until further down transfer window.

 

well, they clearly have money to spend...

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well, they clearly are the club with most worrying debt...

 

who are they selling?

how much have they spent?

 

I am sure they will spend some decent transfer money - they cannot be seen to give up on promotion.

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well, they clearly are the club with most worrying debt...

 

who are they selling?

how much have they spent?

 

I am sure they will spend some decent transfer money - they cannot be seen to give up on promotion.

i could not give a monkeys how much in debt they are..all I care about is this season and where they will finish..you assured me they will be no threat as they cant afford anything...well, they have the money (this season) to hire allardyce and try to sign prem players........

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well, they clearly are the club with most worrying debt...

 

who are they selling?

how much have they spent?

 

I am sure they will spend some decent transfer money - they cannot be seen to give up on promotion.

 

they are in debt but from what i understand the owners are loaning them money or some nonsense. I think it's so much debt that a £5-£6m gamble on going straight back up is probably not going to make too much difference when the parachute payments are taken into account and especially when Scott Parker joins us for £8m, they'll actually make money from player trading.

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i could not give a monkeys how much in debt they are..all I care about is this season and where they will finish..you assured me they will be no threat as they cant afford anything...well, they have the money (this season) to hire allardyce and try to sign prem players........

 

calm down!

 

I did not assure you of anything!

 

I am not assuming they will walk this league just because they are West Ham and out of the premiership.

 

I said, as you seem so obsessed with my views;

 

they are a club in disarray from boardroom down to fans fighting with players

they are seriously in debt - I posted their owners views on this

they didn't have a manager and had been turned down by at least one

they had players out of contract and others their owners said will leave

 

and based on that I said I wouldn't assume they will walk this league. They have appointed decent manager and will be interested to see what happens with their squad.

 

I reckon they will sign some names - maybe likes of Smith or Cole, but will lose better players.

 

I don't care about where they finish, anymore than many other teams.

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they are in debt but from what i understand the owners are loaning them money or some nonsense. I think it's so much debt that a £5-£6m gamble on going straight back up is probably not going to make too much difference when the parachute payments are taken into account and especially when Scott Parker joins us for £8m, they'll actually make money from player trading.

 

think you are right. Debt is £100+m, sell around £10m and reinvest. They can't clear the debt in championship so **** or bust!

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lol. Are you for real? Stern John scored 20 odd goals in the season we narrowly avoid relegation, 2 of them came on the last day of the seasn to keep us up. Standing around waiting for chances to fall in his lap?!! Do you not think that tactic might be picked up on by championship stand defenders?!! Id be delighted if one of our strikers used that tactic and bagged 20 goals plus in the championship next season.

 

I know it's alien to you, but there are other opinions than yours. He was lazy, extremely lazy, he sprinted once in all the time he was at our place and the funny thing was he was actually was pacey - he just couldn't be arsed. IMO if we'd had a striker willing to put some effort in we would have scored as many goals team wise, but more importantly conceded far less. Defending from the front, and chasing down lost causes helps the side, turns teams around and takes the pressure off defences. He didn't help one iota with any of that. Obviously there were other factors for us struggling. not least some of the crapest centre backs ever seen at Saints, but despite his goal haul I do think he should share the blame.

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I know it's alien to you, but there are other opinions than yours. He was lazy, extremely lazy, he sprinted once in all the time he was at our place and the funny thing was he was actually was pacey - he just couldn't be arsed. IMO if we'd had a striker willing to put some effort in we would have scored as many goals team wise, but more importantly conceded far less. Defending from the front, and chasing down lost causes helps the side, turns teams around and takes the pressure off defences. He didn't help one iota with any of that. Obviously there were other factors for us struggling. not least some of the crapest centre backs ever seen at Saints, but despite his goal haul I do think he should share the blame.

 

It was your "standing around waiting for chances to fall into his lap" which had me in stitches, it really is that easy isn't it. Rasiak was another one that got slated on here for not being a headless chicken and was apparantly lazy, couldn't be arsed and like John, just stood around waiting for chances to fall into his lap. It's amazing that championship centre halves didn't work this tactic out quickly and just stand next to them so this didn't happen. What we need are strikers that are headless chickens, charge around all over the place closing defenders down but when the ball goes into the box haven't got the standing around ability of John or Rasiak, as that is just pure laziness.

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It was your "standing around waiting for chances to fall into his lap" which had me in stitches, it really is that easy isn't it. Rasiak was another one that got slated on here for not being a headless chicken and was apparantly lazy, couldn't be arsed and like John, just stood around waiting for chances to fall into his lap. It's amazing that championship centre halves didn't work this tactic out quickly and just stand next to them so this didn't happen. What we need are strikers that are headless chickens, charge around all over the place closing defenders down but when the ball goes into the box haven't got the standing around ability of John or Rasiak, as that is just pure laziness.
Spot on,agree with everything u say here. I used to sit next to a guy who slated rasiak every time he touched the ball,****ed me right off. He and John were both goalscorers end of
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It was your "standing around waiting for chances to fall into his lap" which had me in stitches, it really is that easy isn't it. Rasiak was another one that got slated on here for not being a headless chicken and was apparantly lazy, couldn't be arsed and like John, just stood around waiting for chances to fall into his lap. It's amazing that championship centre halves didn't work this tactic out quickly and just stand next to them so this didn't happen. What we need are strikers that are headless chickens, charge around all over the place closing defenders down but when the ball goes into the box haven't got the standing around ability of John or Rasiak, as that is just pure laziness.

 

what had me in stitches was you child-like suggestion that just because I don't like a lazy striker I must want a headless chicken instead.

 

Having the ability to find space, be in the right position, and the class to tuck chances away doesn't mean you can't work hard for the side. In fact both aspects are expected.

 

By the way I liked Rasiak, unlike John he actually worked, sadly he was so slow it made it look like he wasn't trying, hence some didn't like him. John was just bone idle.

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what had me in stitches was you child-like suggestion that just because I don't like a lazy striker I must want a headless chicken instead.

 

Having the ability to find space, be in the right position, and the class to tuck chances away doesn't mean you can't work hard for the side. In fact both aspects are expected.

 

By the way I liked Rasiak, unlike John he actually worked, sadly he was so slow it made it look like he wasn't trying, hence some didn't like him. John was just bone idle.

 

basically, you are one abouy a prem striker

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what had me in stitches was you child-like suggestion that just because I don't like a lazy striker I must want a headless chicken instead.

 

Having the ability to find space, be in the right position, and the class to tuck chances away doesn't mean you can't work hard for the side. In fact both aspects are expected.

 

By the way I liked Rasiak, unlike John he actually worked, sadly he was so slow it made it look like he wasn't trying, hence some didn't like him. John was just bone idle.

 

You were on about defending from the front, chasing defenders down etc and conceding less goals because of it. I dont remember our greatest ever player chasing too many defenders down, presumably he wouldn't get into your Saints side? Every player is different and if we have a striker who "stands around waiting for chances to fall into his lap" all season but scores 20+ goals then i for one wont be criticising him.

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You were on about defending from the front, chasing defenders down etc and conceding less goals because of it. I dont remember our greatest ever player chasing too many defenders down, presumably he wouldn't get into your Saints side? Every player is different and if we have a striker who "stands around waiting for chances to fall into his lap" all season but scores 20+ goals then i for one wont be criticising him.

 

you've got me there, but if you are going to have a luxury player in your side he had better be genuinely luxurious.

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Another example in today's Times why NpC clubs have little hope of attracting Prem players. Steed Malbranque at Sunderland, at 31, will have less chance of first team action if the signing of Darren Gibson from MU goes through as expected. Its said Sunderland are ready to sell and in the past this would be the stage in a player's career where a step down a division would be the obvious thing. (Anyone thinking this means Saints should show an interest, please ask the person reading this to you, to stop).

 

Malbranque has one year left on his contract and will be worth nothing to Sunderland if he is still there next summer but he's a high earner so if he doesn't get a prem level wage offer he'll sit out the season just for the money. Even the 3 promoted prem clubs, who are currently linked with almost every available player, would think hard about taking on someone whose performance is probably beginning to decline and who might take a large slice of the budget without offering much of a future. This wall of money between the Prem and the Championship means the HCDAJFU approach has to focus on the NpC or the lower leagues, or outside the UK. The days when players such as Bobby Moore and George Best would turn out for Fulham in Div 2, and when the Tranmere team was full of former Liverpool players are long gone. Peter Osgood and Peter Rodrigues playing for Saints at the second level wouldn't happen today but football is the worse for it.

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Talking of overpaid and unwanted players have a look through this lot:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2011/jun/13/europe-unwanted-football-transfer-window

 

Almost certainly all of them out our price range, illustrating the point made previously about why NPC clubs have little chance of attracting the "big names".

I wouldn't mind us getting the stroppy "new zlatan ibrahimovich" though!

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Another example in today's Times why NpC clubs have little hope of attracting Prem players. Steed Malbranque at Sunderland, at 31, will have less chance of first team action if the signing of Darren Gibson from MU goes through as expected. Its said Sunderland are ready to sell and in the past this would be the stage in a player's career where a step down a division would be the obvious thing. (Anyone thinking this means Saints should show an interest, please ask the person reading this to you, to stop).

 

Malbranque has one year left on his contract and will be worth nothing to Sunderland if he is still there next summer but he's a high earner so if he doesn't get a prem level wage offer he'll sit out the season just for the money. Even the 3 promoted prem clubs, who are currently linked with almost every available player, would think hard about taking on someone whose performance is probably beginning to decline and who might take a large slice of the budget without offering much of a future. This wall of money between the Prem and the Championship means the HCDAJFU approach has to focus on the NpC or the lower leagues, or outside the UK. The days when players such as Bobby Moore and George Best would turn out for Fulham in Div 2, and when the Tranmere team was full of former Liverpool players are long gone. Peter Osgood and Peter Rodrigues playing for Saints at the second level wouldn't happen today but football is the worse for it.

 

Agree with all this and the problem is that often even if you did attract a player like that then they are not motivated and don't really care. There are obvious exceptions but it's a huge risk.

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