the stain Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 This was on another thread where i was accused and i quote of being a "petty racist scumbag" based on a comination of my avatar and saying there was no mass of racial hatred towards Jews in football grounds in England. Sorry Turkish, I was being unclear. I'm refering to post 5 of this thread, "I'll probably be accused of being racist again for mentioning this article." I was taking issue what seemed to be a desire to draw this debate as a political issue (right or left, racist, liberal, etc), when it's really about jumping to conclusions in absence of the facts IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 You could be right turkish seems that the RFU are looking at banning national anthems at the six nations tournament as it stokes up racial harassment So no more flower of scotland. la marseillaise irelansd call etc. Sport cannot be seen as encouraging racial harrasment now can it I take it the All Blacks will be banned from the Haka too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Dressing yourself in anyway you chose isn't inheirently anything-ist - it becomes 'ist' when you, or others, associate negative connotations between the way you have dressed and the group of people you are portraying. Take for example Prince Harry, was he parodying Nazi's or empathising with them? Who knows? IMO, it would have been far more sensible for him to have chosen a different costume rather than risk being misunderstood. Fair enough, although that's an example at one end of an extreme. What about something less 'controversial' (on paper).... For example....if I was an impersonator of American presidents past and present, I'm sure I wouldn't cause offence with my "George Bush is an idiot" act, but would I fall foul of the racist police if I made myself look like Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Sorry Turkish, I was being unclear. I'm refering to post 5 of this thread, "I'll probably be accused of being racist again for mentioning this article." I was taking issue what seemed to be a desire to draw this debate as a political issue (right or left, racist, liberal, etc), when it's really about jumping to conclusions in absence of the facts IMO. NO worries, it was a follow on from the racist accusations i got last week with no substances other than speculation and leaping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Fair enough, although that's an example at one end of an extreme. What about something less 'controversial' (on paper).... For example....if I was an impersonator of American presidents past and present, I'm sure I wouldn't cause offence with my "George Bush is an idiot" act, but would I fall foul of the racist police if I made myself look like Obama? No, not if you are parodying an individual, and not an entire race. Obviously, the line is often thin, and easy to stray across. But in you above example I feel it would be fairly easy to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 NO worries, it was a follow on from the racist accusations i got last week with no substances other than speculation and leaping to conclusions. This thread has made my afternoon. Keep it up Turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 NO worries, it was a follow on from the racist accusations i got last week with no substances other than speculation and leaping to conclusions. I am interested to know your 'Manifesto',Turkish,if you have one. You seem passionate and sometimes aggressive,butyou also have plenty of insight into human nature. If you were a politician, I probably wouldn't vote for you, but I'd be interested as to why I should. Let us know! Vote Turkish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 As a rule I get most offended by people who are so quick to judge other people and take offence on behalf of other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 As a rule I get most offended by people who are so quick to judge other people and take offence on behalf of other people. Absolutely, wish more people would assume the best of others, not the worst, and keep an open mind when it comes to seeing both sides of a story in the press, not jumping immediately to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2011 (edited) This thread has made my afternoon. Keep it up Turkish. I'm still waiting for your apology for your comments last week Verbal, or at very least justification for your comments. Do you think we'll go up this weekend by the way? How do you think Huddersfield will get on at Brighton? Edited 27 April, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2011 As a rule I get most offended by people who are so quick to judge other people and take offence on behalf of other people. I find this very offensive myself, also those that leap to make accusations based on assumptions and ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Just heard the singer being interveiwed and he said that when the person who reported him picked up his phone, he said to his mate "I bet he is going to call the police" Which for him to think that he was going to call the police, suggests that something else had happened. Could be wrong, pathetic if it was just the song, but guess we will find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Political Correctness has gone mad Here in Orkney there is a traditon called the blackening. the bride and bride groom a week before they get married are covered in molasses , feathers etc as aprt of the ceromany . after which the lasses sit in the back of a pick up truck and drive around town banging drums etc. The blokes do likewise. Any way the polis stopped the driver (he had already stopped and everyone disembarked the back of the pick up truck) when they then summoned the driver and issued him with a £60 fine and 3pts on his licence. The reason he had not ensured the guys in the back of the truck were not wearihg seat belt and had breached health and safety regulationss. The polis were up from sooth and were not aware of orkney traditions. Anyway this angered most folk up here and subsequently the polis have rescinded their decision. basically they are embarrased by the stupidity of their two officers being ultra politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Do you think we'll go up this weekend by the way? How do you think Huddersfield will get on at Brighton? I think it very unfair of you to expect Verbal to comment on the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 There you go again, instead of debating it with the one person who you disagree with, you put it down to Liberal Elitests. Anyway, the way I see it, Turkish could've avoided any doubt by just explaining what his avatar was about a lot earlier, whilst others should indeed not have jumped to conclusions. he did, aeons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Fair enough, I didn't know that. I don't stalk him after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2011 (edited) Fair enough, I didn't know that. I don't stalk him after all. I just dont feel the need to justify myself over it, especially to the judgemental, clueless majority on here who are quick to criticise and show haughtiness, yet slow to apologise and show humilty. Edited 27 April, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2011 I think it very unfair of you to expect Verbal to comment on the football. Sorry, i forgot myself, for a second thought this was a football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Political Correctness has gone mad Here in Orkney there is a tradition called the blackening. the bride and bride groom, a week before they get married, are covered in molasses, feathers etc as part of the ceremony . I don't fancy feathers on fellas, but raise me glasses at lasses in molasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 I just get ****ed off that when these stories appear, you get one side convinced that they are completely true and then you get the other side coming on convinced that they are completely untrue. Both sides are as guilty as each other when it comes to intolerance. They are 180 degrees opposed and remain so when the truth is normally somewhere in the middle. The "liberal left" are as entrenched in their views as the "Nazi right" but still try to inhabit the moral high ground. What are you talking about? I didn't say it wasn't true. I said the only source of information in this story is the accused. We don't actually even know if the song is the reason why he's been accused. if we're just going to believe the accused in cases when they say "I didn't do anything!", then we'd better open up the prisons and let a few prisoners out. The story wasn't balanced and so it wasn't worth reading. Does it male me "liberal left" if i don't automatically believe the accused in a case? OK, I must be that then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Political Correctness has gone mad Here in Orkney there is a traditon called the blackening. the bride and bride groom a week before they get married are covered in molasses , feathers etc as aprt of the ceromany . after which the lasses sit in the back of a pick up truck and drive around town banging drums etc. The blokes do likewise. Any way the polis stopped the driver (he had already stopped and everyone disembarked the back of the pick up truck) when they then summoned the driver and issued him with a £60 fine and 3pts on his licence. The reason he had not ensured the guys in the back of the truck were not wearihg seat belt and had breached health and safety regulationss. The polis were up from sooth and were not aware of orkney traditions. Anyway this angered most folk up here and subsequently the polis have rescinded their decision. basically they are embarrased by the stupidity of their two officers being ultra politically correct. I'm confused. Why the the people of Orkney (I have to presume that 'polis' = citizenry - 10/10 for introducing some Greek, btw) arrest someone? Was it a citizen's arrest? And why would those same people (the 'folk' must also = citizenry) then feel angered at their own actions. Is there some kind of mass-schizophrenia in the Orkney's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Political Correctness has gone mad Here in Orkney there is a traditon called the blackening. the bride and bride groom a week before they get married are covered in molasses , feathers etc as aprt of the ceromany . after which the lasses sit in the back of a pick up truck and drive around town banging drums etc. The blokes do likewise. Any way the polis stopped the driver (he had already stopped and everyone disembarked the back of the pick up truck) when they then summoned the driver and issued him with a £60 fine and 3pts on his licence. The reason he had not ensured the guys in the back of the truck were not wearihg seat belt and had breached health and safety regulationss. The polis were up from sooth and were not aware of orkney traditions. Anyway this angered most folk up here and subsequently the polis have rescinded their decision. basically they are embarrased by the stupidity of their two officers being ultra politically correct. "Basically there's a whole generation of people that have confused political correctness with health and safety legislation." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OAk2O3_PU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 I was planning on standing outside Sainsburys on Shirley High Street this saturday and belt out a few old Bad Manners hits like "Lip Up Fatty" and "Fatty Fatty", but if the PC brigade are out in force, I think i'll give it a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Where the **** is Deppo when you need him?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 I just dont feel the need to justify myself over it, especially to the judgemental, clueless majority on here who are quick to criticise and show haughtiness, yet slow to apologise and show humilty. I don't owe you an apology but a vote of thanks (delivered, as per AV, as a last choice). I use you to develop some of my key, and very important, political ideas, which are then published to glowing reviews in New Left Review and the London Review of Books. I could credit you as 'that ***t on the football forum' if you like, or is that too on the nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 This clip reminds me of some Saintsweb members? Which ones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SpyVcsxAI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Bath saint Polis equals police not citizens by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 This clip reminds me of some Saintsweb members? Which ones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SpyVcsxAI Lol! Is it Barney Trubble? It is, isn't it? It's just like that Barney Trubble! Brilliant, mate. Wait til he sees that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Lol! Is it Barney Trubble? It is, isn't it? It's just like that Barney Trubble! Brilliant, mate. Wait til he sees that! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4 No, I don't think that's him. He's fatter and slightly less coherent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 No, I don't think that's him. He's fatter and slightly less coherent. Does your brain always log out when you log in? I find you a great source of amusement on here, like a lot of other posters do, it's a pity that you don't intend to amuse us, it's just an affliction that has probably followed you around since your unfortunate birth. I reckon at primary school you were the sort that volunteered to be the school milk monitor, then at secondary school you evolved into a prefect. I can imagine you working in Health & Safety now, an obvious natural progression, no doubt inspecting busy workplaces to remind managers that their signage isn't at the correct height. I bet you wear a shiny hi-vis, carry a clipboard and wear your company ID badge with immense pride across your chest, as narcissists like yourself need to ensure everyone knows that they are important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Does your brain always log out when you log in? I find you a great source of amusement on here, like a lot of other posters do, it's a pity that you don't intend to amuse us, it's just an affliction that has probably followed you around since your unfortunate birth. I reckon at primary school you were the sort that volunteered to be the school milk monitor, then at secondary school you evolved into a prefect. I can imagine you working in Health & Safety now, an obvious natural progression, no doubt inspecting busy workplaces to remind managers that their signage isn't at the correct height. I bet you wear a shiny hi-vis, carry a clipboard and wear your company ID badge with immense pride across your chest, as narcissists like yourself need to ensure everyone knows that they are important. Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Does your brain always log out when you log in? I find you a great source of amusement on here, like a lot of other posters do, it's a pity that you don't intend to amuse us, it's just an affliction that has probably followed you around since your unfortunate birth. I reckon at primary school you were the sort that volunteered to be the school milk monitor, then at secondary school you evolved into a prefect. I can imagine you working in Health & Safety now, an obvious natural progression, no doubt inspecting busy workplaces to remind managers that their signage isn't at the correct height. I bet you wear a shiny hi-vis, carry a clipboard and wear your company ID badge with immense pride across your chest, as narcissists like yourself need to ensure everyone knows that they are important. This is a brilliant piece of observation. All of that is absolutely true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Some of Prince Phillips comments: To a British student in China: "If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes." To a British student in Papua New Guinea: "You managed not to get eaten then?" To a British tourist in Hungary: "You can't have been here that long — you haven't got a pot belly." To a Scottish driving instructor: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test?" To Australian Aborigines: "Do you still throw spears at each other?" Looks like Dune, Phillip and Simon could form one hell of a foreign office leadership team. We'd get on well with the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Bath saint Polis equals police not citizens by the way Does it? In what language? Scots Gaelic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Fair enough, I didn't know that. I don't stalk him after all. I cant remember the exact details, but I think turks said he was trying to bluff away his avatar as being something from the league of gentlemen (whatever that is,) but the fact was that he is really a massive fan of the black and white minstrel show. He has every one of those on betamax apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Charges dropped now so can we refocus on beating up Turkish, after all I think we are all in agreement that this thread is actually about his character assassination anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Charges dropped now so can we refocus on beating up Turkish, after all I think we are all in agreement that this thread is actually about his character assassination anyway? Turkish isnt actually Turkish. It's true! He is just mocking that country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Charges dropped now so can we refocus on beating up Turkish, after all I think we are all in agreement that this thread is actually about his character assassination anyway? Quite. I blame the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Charges dropped now so can we refocus on beating up Turkish, after all I think we are all in agreement that this thread is actually about his character assassination anyway? Possibly, but my fourpence worth says its 88 posts and counting of plsstaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 I thought he was from Gosport, thank you for this additional information. I will now form an opinion of him based on that, or should I wait for others do tell me what my opinion is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 He cant be from gosport, his typing skills indicate opposable thumbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Possibly, but my fourpence worth says its 88 posts and counting of plsstaking Out of who, dare I ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Out of who, dare I ask? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 As far as I can see it, one 'side' (and in particular the poster you responded to) was suggesting we wait and hear two sides of the story before we assume some terrible injustice has been done one way or the other. That's nothing to do with being 'liberal left'. It ought to be fairly common sense. It's one of the basic premises of justice. The whole 'Nazi right' thing is irrelevant and not the point at issue. Turkish hinted that he'd probably be accused of racism, but as far as I can see he hasn't been. This thread appears to me to be split along lines of who is prepared to jump to a conclusion based on sensationalist (and shoddy) journalism, and who is prepared to wait for the facts to emerge. This may be a case of political correctness 'going mad', it may be a genuine racist brought to book, or it may be (as you suggest) somewhere in between. The point is we don't know yet and we only have the opinion of the accused (who denies it, as you might expect). In the meantime the Echo have got what they wanted; loads of interest in their story and loads of visitors to their website. To suggest that wasn't their aim when publishing sensationalist half-of-the-truth stories is naive. A version of this post should be placed at the start of every thread Dune starts, it's the most sensible thing i've seen on here in ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Charges dropped now so can we refocus on beating up Turkish, after all I think we are all in agreement that this thread is actually about his character assassination anyway? Avatar assasination, who'd have thought something so insignificant could cause such a stir, some people have too much time on their hands and too little going on to occupy their minds it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Avatar assasination, who'd have thought something so insignificant could cause such a stir, some people have too much time on their hands and too little going on to occupy their minds it would seem. As I suggested in my first post: paranoia? Where is this avatar assassination of which you speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Avatar assasination, who'd have thought something so insignificant could cause such a stir, some people have too much time on their hands and too little going on to occupy their minds it would seem. It would seem so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Avatar assasination, who'd have thought something so insignificant could cause such a stir, some people have too much time on their hands and too little going on to occupy their minds it would seem. To be fair, you could have put your hand up at any time and let people know that your avatar was from the League of Gentlemen, and not the Black and White Minstrel show. However, you let people carry on with that assumption, alternately tee-hee-ing, referencing a favourite comedy show and playing the victim of others judgmental tendencies. Now, unless someone happened to watch S2 of the League of Gentlemen during that thread, there is no way they'd pick up on the reference. And you continue to whine about it now. Consequently, my sympathy level for your predicament is zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2011 As I suggested in my first post: paranoia? Where is this avatar assassination of which you speak? Again you'd need to read the anti semitism at football thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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