Is this a joke?

[Turkish]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8994875.Musician_arrested_for_singing_Kung_Fu_fighting/

 

What next? Banning of singing tie me Kangeroo down sport in case it offends Aussies?

Edited 27 April, 2011 by Turkish

[JackFrost]

I heard about this on Solent this morning, although I thought they said it was a DJ that played the track at a party or smth

 

Solent then decided to play the track in it's entirety after reporting the story.

[Viking Warrior]

You could be right turkish seems that the RFU are looking at banning national anthems at the six nations tournament as it stokes up racial harassment So no more flower of scotland. la marseillaise irelansd call etc. Sport cannot be seen as encouraging racial harrasment now can it

[dune]

You just have to read the posts from the holier than thou liberal elite on here to be not at all shocked by this story. Thankfully we now have a Conservative government and some sanity is returning to the country.

[Turkish]

You just have to read the posts from the holier than thou liberal elite on here to be not at all shocked by this story. Thankfully we now have a Conservative government and some sanity is returning to the country.

 

I'll probably be accused of being racist again for mentioning this article.

[Joensuu]

Blimey, some of you have got paranoid haven't you? It's all the fault of the liberal elite etc...

 

Anyhow, back on track, either the police were completely out of order here, or we are not being told the whole story... all it would take is the singer making a eye gesture or something and the whole story would sound very different.

[Turkish]

Blimey, some of you have got paranoid haven't you? It's all the fault of the liberal elite etc...

 

Anyhow, back on track, either the police were completely out of order here, or we are not being told the whole story... all it would take is the singer making a eye gesture or something and the whole story would sound very different.

 

Paranoid? I think you need to have a word with our all know, all seeing guardian of all things PC on this forum, who only last week accused me of being racist based on a combinaton of my avatar and me not thinking that there was a nationwide hatred of Jews at football matches in this country.

[RedAndWhite91]

I'd like to post my opinions on this thread but I'm not going to, as I'm scared that I'll offend someone.

[trousers]

Blimey, some of you have got paranoid haven't you? It's all the fault of the liberal elite etc...

 

Anyhow, back on track, either the police were completely out of order here, or we are not being told the whole story... all it would take is the singer making a eye gesture or something and the whole story would sound very different.

 

Just to play devil's advocate....what would be wrong with the singer making himself look like and/or sound like the original singer of the song?

 

If he was doing a Rolf Harris number and put on a Rolf goatee and glasses and started doing a Rolf impression would that be wrong too?

 

Just an observation m'lud.

[Turkish]

I'd like to post my opinions on this thread but I'm not going to, as I'm scared that I'll offend someone.

 

You lack of conviction in your beliefs offends me.

[Spudders]

... all it would take is the singer making a eye gesture or something and the whole story would sound very different.....

 

This thread all reminds me of that classic episode of Father Ted Series 3 episode 1 (Are you right there, father ted) -

 

 

[Wurzel]

An overused phrase but poitical correctness gone mad.

 

My own take on the story - http://wurzelsweb.blogspot.com/2011/04/it-was-little-bit-frightening.html

[miserableoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/243184/Mad-human-rights-laws-are-costing-Britons-9bn-a-year

[dune]

At least Lord Glasman let the cat out of the bag...

 

‘Their commitment to various civil rights, anti-racism, meant that often working-class voters... were seen as racist, resistant to change, homophobic and generally reactionary.

 

‘So in many ways you had a terrible situation where a Labour government was hostile to the English working class'

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377477/Ed-Miliband-ally-attacks-Labour-migration-lies.html#ixzz1KiZ5FPHD

[Ken Tone]

Just to play devil's advocate....what would be wrong with the singer making himself look like and/or sound like the original singer of the song?

 

If he was doing a Rolf Harris number and put on a Rolf goatee and glasses and started doing a Rolf impression would that be wrong too?

 

Just an observation m'lud.

 

I believe the original singer was from Jamaica. Are you suggesting the club singer in this story blacks himself up?!

 

Speaking as a member of the liberal wishy-washy leftist clique on here, IF this really was just an innocent playing of the song, of course to call it racist is nonsense, and no doubt the police investigation into the complaint will come to that conclusion.

 

However we have no idea what actually happened. If for example the Chinese bloke happened to walk across in front of the stage, and the singer then deliberately started playing the song whilst making mocking gestures, in order to make fun of him, that would be a rather different scenario. So far all that has got into the media as far as I know, is that someone has made a formal complaint to the police and the bloke who was accused has made some one-sided statements.... no detail of what the complainant says happened.

 

So let's wait and see eh, rather than start yet another "the world's gone mad" fuss.

[Joensuu]

Paranoid? I think you need to have a word with our all know, all seeing guardian of all things PC on this forum, who only last week accused me of being racist based on a combinaton of my avatar and me not thinking that there was a nationwide hatred of Jews at football matches in this country.

 

Hey, I've accused you of 'isms' in the past, but only when I've felt you stepped too far from the thin line you like to traverse. Who is the guardian of all things PC? I can think of several candidates..

 

FWIW, there isn't a nationwide hatred of Jews at football matches, although I do think Spurs have a problem. Your avatar doesn't exactly do you any favours, but I assume it must be a parody of racism.

 

Just to play devil's advocate....what would be wrong with the singer making himself look like and/or sound like the original singer of the song?

 

If he was doing a Rolf Harris number and put on a Rolf goatee and glasses and started doing a Rolf impression would that be wrong too?

 

Just an observation m'lud.

 

There's a big division between impersonation, and racism. There is also a big division between humouring and individual, and humouring a race.

 

Who knows what this happened at this reported incident - it could have been anything from over-zealous (and completely incorrect) policing to outright racism.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

You just have to read the posts from the holier than thou liberal elite on here to be not at all shocked by this story. Thankfully we now have a Conservative government and some sanity is returning to the country.

 

Conservative government maybe but not in name. It's still a ConDemOlition government and in no way are they bringing sanity to the country!

 

And just to clarify, while you are spouting right wing generalisms about liberal / left wing supporters, many of us find it odd that songs such as those at the rugby can no longer be played. As to the O.P. ? I find it strange that the singer has this 'racial aggravation' claim hanging over him. The Chinese people, from what I read, happened to be passing. It's hardly as if the singer identified them and then started singing the song.

[dune]

Some of Prince Phillips comments:

 

To a British student in China: "If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes."

 

To a British student in Papua New Guinea: "You managed not to get eaten then?"

 

To a British tourist in Hungary: "You can't have been here that long — you haven't got a pot belly."

 

To a Scottish driving instructor: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test?"

 

To Australian Aborigines: "Do you still throw spears at each other?"

[Turkish]

Hey, I've accused you of 'isms' in the past, but only when I've felt you stepped too far from the thin line you like to traverse. Who is the guardian of all things PC? I can think of several candidates..

 

FWIW, there isn't a nationwide hatred of Jews at football matches, although I do think Spurs have a problem. Your avatar doesn't exactly do you any favours, but I assume it must be a parody of racism.

 

 

 

There's a big division between impersonation, and racism. There is also a big division between humouring and individual, and humouring a race.

 

Who knows what this happened at this reported incident - it could have been anything from over-zealous (and completely incorrect) policing to outright racism.

 

Surely there is only one outstanding candidate for the guradian of this forum, careful, he'll accuse you of something for not agreeing with him...

 

Spurs DONT have a problem, there was a whole thread on this a week or so ago and i'm not going to go into it all again although you are welcome to dig it up. As for you acusing me of isms, i presume you are talking about the EDL thread, read it careful, i neither condemn nor condone them, all i say is in you peoples liberal world, they are quite rightly, entitled to a voice as much as anyone. As for my avatar i'm not going to justify it to people as they will, like yourself draw their own conclusions, ironic really that those that spout liberalism and equality are the first to jump to conclusion based on their own ignorance, when this is exactly the thing they claim to depise.

Edited 27 April, 2011 by Turkish

[Joensuu]

Surely there is only one outstanding candidate for the guradian of this forum, careful, he'll accuse you of something for not agreeing with him...

 

Spurs DONT have a problem, there was a whole thread on this a week or so ago and i'm not going to go into it all again although you are welcome to dig it up.

 

Missed that thread, and don't want to dig it up. IMO any chant referring to yids or yiddos, sung by anyone is not acceptable. Again, don't want to dig this up if you have already discussed it.

 

As for you acusing me of isms, i presume you are talking about the EDL thread, read it careful, i neither condemn nor condone them, all i say is in you peoples liberal world, they are quite rightly, entitled to a voice as much as anyone.

 

I think the only thread I have accused you of isms in was the Elton baby thread. I don't think you crossed the line on the EDL thread (I might have accused you of isms there too, but I'd only have done so if I thought you had crossed the line). NB, agreed entirely that the EDL are just as entitled to a voice, so long as it doesn't incite hatred, or result in violence. Again, I can't be bothered to re-engage with that debate.

 

As for my avatar i'm not going to justify it to people as they will, like yourself draw their own conclusions, ironic really that those that spout liberalism and equality are the first to jump to conclusion based on their own ignorance, when this is exactly the thing they claim to depise.

 

Good, I will continue to assume the scenario that portrays you in the best light then. I'm happy to change my initial assumption if there is evidence to the contrary. IMO, this is the only sensible course of action, and certainly doesn't warrent accusations of ignorance or jumping to conclusions, when I am doing exactly the opposite - and giving you the benefit of any doubt to boot.

[Turkish]

Missed that thread, and don't want to dig it up. IMO any chant referring to yids or yiddos, sung by anyone is not acceptable. Again, don't want to dig this up if you have already discussed it.

 

 

 

I think the only thread I have accused you of isms in was the Elton baby thread. I don't think you crossed the line on the EDL thread (I might have accused you of isms there too, but I'd only have done so if I thought you had crossed the line). NB, agreed entirely that the EDL are just as entitled to a voice, so long as it doesn't incite hatred, or result in violence. Again, I can't be bothered to re-engage with that debate.

 

 

 

Good, I will continue to assume the scenario that portrays you in the best light then. I'm happy to change my initial assumption if there is evidence to the contrary. IMO, this is the only sensible course of action, and certainly doesn't warrent accusations of ignorance or jumping to conclusions, when I am doing exactly the opposite - and giving you the benefit of any doubt to boot.

 

I didn't realise there was any doubt to be given the benefit of?

[holepuncture]

who only last week accused me of being racist based on a combinaton of my avatar and me not thinking that there was a nationwide hatred of Jews at football matches in this country.

 

I'd like to post my opinions on this thread but I'm not going to, as I'm scared that I'll offend someone.

 

You lack of conviction in your beliefs offends me.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/243184/Mad-human-rights-laws-are-costing-Britons-9bn-a-year

 

At least Lord Glasman let the cat out of the bag...

 

‘Their commitment to various civil rights, anti-racism, meant that often working-class voters... were seen as racist, resistant to change, homophobic and generally reactionary.

 

‘So in many ways you had a terrible situation where a Labour government was hostile to the English working class'

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377477/Ed-Miliband-ally-attacks-Labour-migration-lies.html#ixzz1KiZ5FPHD

 

Middle England will rise again, we are tolerant, but this has to stop. The working class will kick off a revolution, and take their jobs, pride and communities back.

 

Conservative government maybe but not in name. It's still a ConDemOlition government and in no way are they bringing sanity to the country!

 

And just to clarify, while you are spouting right wing generalisms about liberal / left wing supporters, many of us find it odd that songs such as those at the rugby can no longer be played. As to the O.P. ? I find it strange that the singer has this 'racial aggravation' claim hanging over him. The Chinese people, from what I read, happened to be passing. It's hardly as if the singer identified them and then started singing the song.

 

Too many focus groups and listening sessions lead to this nonsense - people trying to justify their existence/jobs and trying to drag out another day on the tax payers wallet.

 

All of my 'liberal/leftie' mates wear branded trainers (sweatshops), own smart phones (africa), take lots of drugs (middle east), drink global brand beer (uk), own sky tv subscriptions (FL), drive petrol cars (greenland) and so on... yet one slightly contraversial comment about anything and they launch this ridiculous educational elitist-turning noses up attitude... hypocrisy defined

 

this one particular chappie who grinds my gears - no real understanding on how the world/business works - yet happy to judge everyone and everything, and if I hear him use the utterly pointless word 'superfluous' ...it really makes me shudder. only a total tosser uses a word like that!

 

Some of Prince Phillips comments:

 

To a British student in China: "If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes."

 

To a British student in Papua New Guinea: "You managed not to get eaten then?"

 

To a British tourist in Hungary: "You can't have been here that long — you haven't got a pot belly."

 

To a Scottish driving instructor: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test?"

 

To Australian Aborigines: "Do you still throw spears at each other?"

 

In good hearted context, this banter should be taken in good grace, with some coming back in return.

[Barry the Badger]

An overused phrase but poitical correctness gone mad.

 

My own take on the story - http://wurzelsweb.blogspot.com/2011/04/it-was-little-bit-frightening.html

 

"The are several important facts here, not least that he was not aiming the song at them, he was unaware of their presence, no offence was intended, they simply overheard the song and chose to make a complaint"

 

Wurzel, out of interest, where did you get these additional facts from?

[norwaysaint]

Wow, one side of a story given in the Echo and everybody on here knows exactly what happened and that it was definitely political correctness gone mad. Who'd've thought that a story that is basically told only from the point of view of one person, would make the other side look unreasonable.

 

This balanced story takes most of it's comment from the guy accused, none from the person who complained and the police give a no-comment response. You have no idea what happened, but you've become righteously indignant already.

 

You lot will believe any crap the newspaper tells you to, won't you? Unbelievable. Reactionary, kneejerk nonsense.

 

They've banned Christmas because it upsets the Muslims, you know.

[SuperMikey]

Richard Littlejohn needs to know about this. It's political correctness gone mad.

[Joensuu]

I didn't realise there was any doubt to be given the benefit of?

 

Really? Are you really blissfully unaware of any negative connotation of this? Here's a little light reading to help bring you up to speed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

 

Of course, notice, I am not accusing you of anything, nor jumping to any conclusions, I'm simply assuming that your avatar is paroding racism (perhaps you are a dedicated follower of Ganguro?)

[Minty]

Wow, one side of a story given in the Echo and everybody on here knows exactly what happened...

 

Welcome to society. Everyone does it, me included, as much as I hate doing so. We take what we see in the media and make an initial judgement based on what we've heard. Some of us then wait for alternative views or different angles on the story before then revising our opinion or even changing our minds completely. Many don't.

[Turkish]

Really? Are you really blissfully unaware of any negative connotation of this? Here's a little light reading to help bring you up to speed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

 

Of course, notice, I am not accusing you of anything, nor jumping to any conclusions, I'm simply assuming that your avatar is paroding racism (perhaps you are a dedicated follower of Ganguro?)

 

Or prehaps i just like the League of Gentlemen??? Here's a little light reading to help bring you up to speed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_Lazarou

 

Dont let that get in the way of an opportunity to patronise though.

[miserableoldgit]

Wow, one side of a story given in the Echo and everybody on here knows exactly what happened and that it was definitely political correctness gone mad. Who'd've thought that a story that is basically told only from the point of view of one person, would make the other side look unreasonable.

 

This balanced story takes most of it's comment from the guy accused, none from the person who complained and the police give a no-comment response. You have no idea what happened, but you've become righteously indignant already.

 

You lot will believe any crap the newspaper tells you to, won't you? Unbelievable. Reactionary, kneejerk nonsense.

 

They've banned Christmas because it upsets the Muslims, you know.

Yeah you mugs! None of this is true. It is 100% all lies put around by the right-wing Nazi press to get you gullible moronic idiots to believe that we don`t live in a fair country where common sense has been all but outlawed!

[Kev]

Mr Ledger would never mock Chinese people.

 

 

Oh.

[the stain]

Yeah you mugs! None of this is true. It is 100% all lies put around by the right-wing Nazi press to get you gullible moronic idiots to believe that we don`t live in a fair country where common sense has been all but outlawed!

 

Yes, you've brilliantly parodied what was said there. Quite brilliant.

[dune]

Or prehaps i just like the League of Gentlemen??? Here's a little light reading to help bring you up to speed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_Lazarou

 

Dont let that get in the way of an opportunity to patronise though.

 

You really should know your place by now and bow to the superior intellect of the Liberal Elitests.

 

Verbal will find this thread soon and put you in your place.

[Wurzel]

Wurzel, out of interest, where did you get these additional facts from?

 

Read 7 or 8 different reports on the incident. Many mentioned that the song was a regular part of his set, that the complainants were not in the audience but passers by and that the song had started before they were passing. Maybe not facts in a court of law but reasonable assumptions based on what was reported.

[Minty]

You really should know your place by now and bow to the superior intellect of the Liberal Elitests.

 

There you go again, instead of debating it with the one person who you disagree with, you put it down to Liberal Elitests.

 

Anyway, the way I see it, Turkish could've avoided any doubt by just explaining what his avatar was about a lot earlier, whilst others should indeed not have jumped to conclusions.

[miserableoldgit]

Yes, you've brilliantly parodied what was said there. Quite brilliant.

I just get ****ed off that when these stories appear, you get one side convinced that they are completely true and then you get the other side coming on convinced that they are completely untrue. Both sides are as guilty as each other when it comes to intolerance. They are 180 degrees opposed and remain so when the truth is normally somewhere in the middle. The "liberal left" are as entrenched in their views as the "Nazi right" but still try to inhabit the moral high ground.

[Joensuu]

Or prehaps i just like the League of Gentlemen??? Here's a little light reading to help bring you up to speed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_Lazarou

 

Dont let that get in the way of an opportunity to patronise though.

 

Exactly, this could well be your rational. Only you know what you're actually thinking. We can merely form our own conclusions.

[Minty]

I just get ****ed off that when these stories appear, you get one side convinced that they are completely true and then you get the other side coming on convinced that they are completely untrue. Both sides are as guilty as each other when it comes to intolerance. They are 180 degrees opposed and remain so when the truth is normally somewhere in the middle. The "liberal left" are as entrenched in their views as the "Nazi right" but still try to inhabit the moral high ground.

 

I was agreeing with you until you decided to bring some nice big sweeping generalisations in at the end. But then look at the main board and just about every thread on this whole board... discussions are portrayed as black and white, and the shades of grey get shouted down just because they are open to alternatives and don't shout as loudly.

[dune]

I don't know how anyone could think Turkishs avatar looks anything like the Black and White Minstrels. But going off on a tangent they know how to sing OWTSGMI.

 

[Turkish]

There you go again, instead of debating it with the one person who you disagree with, you put it down to Liberal Elitests.

 

Anyway, the way I see it, Turkish could've avoided any doubt by just explaining what his avatar was about a lot earlier, whilst others should indeed not have jumped to conclusions.

 

Why should I? When i chose this avatar there were no thoughts whatsoever of any racist inferance or intent, it was simply a popular character from one of my favourite comedies. It's only our liberal superstars that have turned it into a racist issue. This based on their own lack of knowledge and ignorance of the programme that the avatar is from. how ironic that they would likely accuse racists of those very same things.

 

As for Verbals comments based on this ignorance which you can find on the thread about Anti-semitic chants at football where he claims that "Turkish reserves the right to be a petty racist scumbag without being called one" What do we all make of that? One could find that sort of accusation highly offensive.

Edited 27 April, 2011 by Turkish

[Turkish]

Exactly, this could well be your rational. Only you know what you're actually thinking. We can merely form our own conclusions.

 

As i say above, it's only our liberal forum superstars that have turned the avatar into a racist issue.

[Turkish]

I don't know how anyone could think Turkishs avatar looks anything like the Black and White Minstrels. But going off on a tangent they know how to sing OWTSGMI.

 

 

They wouldn't fit in at SMS, that is far too slow.

[Joensuu]

As i say above, it's only our liberal forum superstars that have turned the avatar into a racist issue.

 

Is that my official promotion?

[Turkish]

Is that my official promotion?

 

If it makes you happy.

[the stain]

I just get ****ed off that when these stories appear, you get one side convinced that they are completely true and then you get the other side coming on convinced that they are completely untrue. Both sides are as guilty as each other when it comes to intolerance. They are 180 degrees opposed and remain so when the truth is normally somewhere in the middle. The "liberal left" are as entrenched in their views as the "Nazi right" but still try to inhabit the moral high ground.

 

As far as I can see it, one 'side' (and in particular the poster you responded to) was suggesting we wait and hear two sides of the story before we assume some terrible injustice has been done one way or the other. That's nothing to do with being 'liberal left'. It ought to be fairly common sense. It's one of the basic premises of justice.

 

The whole 'Nazi right' thing is irrelevant and not the point at issue. Turkish hinted that he'd probably be accused of racism, but as far as I can see he hasn't been. This thread appears to me to be split along lines of who is prepared to jump to a conclusion based on sensationalist (and shoddy) journalism, and who is prepared to wait for the facts to emerge. This may be a case of political correctness 'going mad', it may be a genuine racist brought to book, or it may be (as you suggest) somewhere in between. The point is we don't know yet and we only have the opinion of the accused (who denies it, as you might expect). In the meantime the Echo have got what they wanted; loads of interest in their story and loads of visitors to their website. To suggest that wasn't their aim when publishing sensationalist half-of-the-truth stories is naive.

[Minty]

Why should I?

 

Hey, it's up to you, but if it was me, I would not have wanted any misunderstanding. That's all I'm saying.

[Turkish]

Hey, it's up to you, but if it was me, I would not have wanted any misunderstanding. That's all I'm saying.

 

As i say, there was no reason to think there would be. I dont see why i should justify myself to those that have a superiority complex and take the moral high ground. Maybe they should be a bit more humble and stop leaping to conclusions before making sweeping, ill founded accusations? Talking of which i am still waiting for my apology from Verbal for his comments.

[Turkish]

As far as I can see it, one 'side' (and in particular the poster you responded to) was suggesting we wait and hear two sides of the story before we assume some terrible injustice has been done one way or the other. That's nothing to do with being 'liberal left'. It ought to be fairly common sense. It's one of the basic premises of justice.

 

The whole 'Nazi right' thing is irrelevant and not the point at issue. Turkish hinted that he'd probably be accused of racism, but as far as I can see he hasn't been. This thread appears to me to be split along lines of who is prepared to jump to a conclusion based on sensationalist (and shoddy) journalism, and who is prepared to wait for the facts to emerge. This may be a case of political correctness 'going mad', it may be a genuine racist brought to book, or it may be (as you suggest) somewhere in between. The point is we don't know yet and we only have the opinion of the accused (who denies it, as you might expect). In the meantime the Echo have got what they wanted; loads of interest in their story and loads of visitors to their website. To suggest that wasn't their aim when publishing sensationalist half-of-the-truth stories is naive.

 

This was on another thread where i was accused and i quote of being a "petty racist scumbag" based on a comination of my avatar and saying there was no mass of racial hatred towards Jews in football grounds in England.

[trousers]

There's a big division between impersonation, and racism.

 

Indeed. So, if someone changes their appearance in order to look like another person with different facial features, I agree, that's called "impersonation". But how does that then become "racist"?

 

Is it what you then do or say when 'in character', or are we saying that it's inherently "racist" to make yourself look like some members of the human race but not others?

[Minty]

Maybe they should be a bit more humble and stop leaping to conclusions before making sweeping, ill founded accusations?

 

Absolutely, but this is SaintsWeb...

[Joensuu]

Indeed. So, if someone changes their appearance in order to look like another person with different facial features, I agree, that's called "impersonation". But how does that then become "racist"?

 

Is it what you then do or say when 'in character', or are we saying that it's inherently "racist" to make yourself look like some members of the human race but not others?

 

Dressing yourself in anyway you chose isn't inheirently anything-ist - it becomes 'ist' when you, or others, associate negative connotations between the way you have dressed and the group of people you are portraying. Take for example Prince Harry, was he parodying Nazi's or empathising with them? Who knows? IMO, it would have been far more sensible for him to have chosen a different costume rather than risk being misunderstood.