Saint in Paradise Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 The intention of this site :- http://www.thailandtraveltragedies.com/ is to alert all travellers to any potential dangers they face in a country perceived as a tropical paradise on the surface but which in fact has health & safety standards substantially below those of developed nations. The frequently heard stories of corruption and cover-up, of an undercurrent of sex, drug and child trafficking, and an environment of political instability may indeed not affect the average traveller, but leave potential travellers wondering if Thailand is indeed the destination of their dreams, able to provide an enjoyable and safe holiday. Only just set up but the site welcomes your true reports of any health problems that you have encountered in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 "tragedies?" - not biased then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Where do I book up for this shizzle? I NEED to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 I could tell you about my own Thailand travel tragedy but I'm sorry to say it is classified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 i could tell you about my own thailand travel tragedy but i'm sorry to say it is classified. pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 Thailand? Thailand, tell me why?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 I've just looked at Saint in Paradise's posting history and it turns out every thread he's ever started has been a Daily Mail-style moral panic/folk devil story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 I lived there for a while and will live there again in the future. I love the place but you have to take it for what it is. The 'Land of smiles' is nothing but a marketing tool, the place is very corrupt but so it most of the world. I have seen many disturbing incidents when I was there[not child related] but money talks in Thailand, if you have enough, then they will whistle to your tune. A friend of my dads was killed there about five years ago, his Thai wife paid for it to happen as she wanted his insurance money, there was lots of evidence but the Thai Police basically covered it up as the Thai Mafia are very powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 25 April, 2011 Share Posted 25 April, 2011 I've just looked at Saint in Paradise's posting history and it turns out every thread he's ever started has been a Daily Mail-style moral panic/folk devil story. And generally every one of your posts points fun at others or veers off-topic. So lets call it 1-1 and let this move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I got really bad sun burn there. I also cut my foot on a rock on the beach, I flew back to the UK (and safety) and my foot swelled terribly on the flight. travellers beware or similar tragedies may strike again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Took a boat from the mainland to Koh Samui some 15 yrs ago and with every square inch packed out with back packers, I happend to be about midships right on top of a large crack that ran across the deck that would open and close as we went over the swell, I was fully convinced that the next wave would split the boat in 2. But that was nothing compared to the spider the size of my face waiting for me that evening in the beach bungalow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I had a fantastic blow job off a bar girl one evening, we drank champagne on the beach, swam a little, went back to my gaff and nailed her rotten, all through the night. Woke up in the morning and she was reading the Daily Star on the crapper, her name was Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Well done some posters, this website about Thailand Travel Tragedies was put up by the family of a young lady who died, she was not the only one who died in the same place within a few weeks but hey don't let those sad facts get in the way of a good p==s take. Oh hang on it didn't did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 As there appears to be no appropriate section for Deppo apart from TMS please would the mods only allow him access to that section. This would ensure that his disruptive posts don't appear in sensible threads everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Thailand is my favourite destination in the world, the people are beautiful, friendly, and the whole country smiles and loves you, that is, until you do something wrong! And then it becomes the worst place in the world. Thailand - Land of Smiles (what a joke!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 As there appears to be no appropriate section for Deppo apart from TMS please would the mods only allow him access to that section. This would ensure that his disruptive posts don't appear in sensible threads everywhere else. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 My mate goes there every year for a month or so and keeps trying to talk me in to going with him. He absolutely loves the place. To be honest, it just seems as if people go there for the ego boost. Thousands of pretty young girls available for very little money. Because it costs so little for these girls "company" they almost convince themselves that all these girls genuinely are interested in them and how they are keeping in touch etc... My mate isnt an ugly guy, he owns his own company which turns over between £250k-£500k a year and has actually had some stunning (albeit absolutely mental) girlfriends before. With every story my desire to go over there wanes a little bit more but it seems to be the case with anyone I speak to. Thai girls just fall at your feet. Yes, that is because you are paying them to FFS. I cant imagine anywhere in the world that has such a booming sex trade being altogether that much of a safe place to visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Judgementalism. Live in a certain environment and expect the planet to match up to those standards. Thailand like almost every other country on the planet is DIFFERENT (hell that's why it makes life interesting). People are incredibly poor or incredibly rich. they do not have the same "Left / Right" view of politics have little or no support structures in place so the single motive in many people's lives becomes one of survival for them and their families. So some girl in a village in the remote parts of the country gets sold for sex trade? or a girl in Bangkok gets pregnant and needs to care for her child. There are no other ways to survive that they can see. Of COURSE they will become best friends and loving companions to a Falang, it's a meal ticket for their entire village. SOME people even get lucky and find real love rather than love you long time. ANY tourist who travels to ANY country and simply sees the brochure or what the package tour guide shows them is a fool. Everywhere is crooked and corrupt and dangerous to the naive. Understand the planet, observe. The planet simply cannot burn the resources needed to give 100 billion people Disability Benefits for life or free medical care. People get into trouble all over the world. There is normally one common denominator which comes down to much the same thing - They're pretty damned thick Should set up similar sites for the tourists ripped off on Tottenham Court Road, murdered on holidays in Florida etc. This is how the real world is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Judgementalism. Live in a certain environment and expect the planet to match up to those standards. Thailand like almost every other country on the planet is DIFFERENT (hell that's why it makes life interesting). People are incredibly poor or incredibly rich. they do not have the same "Left / Right" view of politics have little or no support structures in place so the single motive in many people's lives becomes one of survival for them and their families. So some girl in a village in the remote parts of the country gets sold for sex trade? or a girl in Bangkok gets pregnant and needs to care for her child. There are no other ways to survive that they can see. Of COURSE they will become best friends and loving companions to a Falang, it's a meal ticket for their entire village. SOME people even get lucky and find real love rather than love you long time. ANY tourist who travels to ANY country and simply sees the brochure or what the package tour guide shows them is a fool. Everywhere is crooked and corrupt and dangerous to the naive. Understand the planet, observe. The planet simply cannot burn the resources needed to give 100 billion people Disability Benefits for life or free medical care. People get into trouble all over the world. There is normally one common denominator which comes down to much the same thing - They're pretty damned thick Should set up similar sites for the tourists ripped off on Tottenham Court Road, murdered on holidays in Florida etc. This is how the real world is. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Judgementalism. Live in a certain environment and expect the planet to match up to those standards. Thailand like almost every other country on the planet is DIFFERENT (hell that's why it makes life interesting). People are incredibly poor or incredibly rich. they do not have the same "Left / Right" view of politics have little or no support structures in place so the single motive in many people's lives becomes one of survival for them and their families. So some girl in a village in the remote parts of the country gets sold for sex trade? or a girl in Bangkok gets pregnant and needs to care for her child. There are no other ways to survive that they can see. Of COURSE they will become best friends and loving companions to a Falang, it's a meal ticket for their entire village. SOME people even get lucky and find real love rather than love you long time. ANY tourist who travels to ANY country and simply sees the brochure or what the package tour guide shows them is a fool. Everywhere is crooked and corrupt and dangerous to the naive. Understand the planet, observe. The planet simply cannot burn the resources needed to give 100 billion people Disability Benefits for life or free medical care. People get into trouble all over the world. There is normally one common denominator which comes down to much the same thing - They're pretty damned thick Should set up similar sites for the tourists ripped off on Tottenham Court Road, murdered on holidays in Florida etc. This is how the real world is. Dear god. The fact that bad things happen, and that they happen in certain types in certain places (eg sex trafficking in Moldova, bride trafficking in India, bonded labour in Dubai, etc) does NOT mean we should just sit back and accept it. If you give in to that corrupted logic, we'd never have abolished slavery. The fact, incidentally, that slavery (as one example) is now more extant than when it was abolished in the 18th century means we constantly have to be alert against the dangerous thought process that goes: 'yes, sh!t happens, but accept it, it's the way of the world.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Verbal is right. We must be alert and we must take full advantage of the soap-box of internet football sub-forums to further the good of humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Quite. Quite again here, too! PS: There has been quite a few mysterious deaths in Chiang Mai in recent weeks... bit worried about that, it was my favourite place in Thailand that I visited :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Verbal is right. We must be alert and we must take full advantage of the soap-box of internet football sub-forums to further the good of humanity. Ah, the depressed, foetal comfort of spiteful cynicism. You sound two pints short of a personality. Cheer up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 April, 2011 Share Posted 27 April, 2011 Verbal is right. We must be alert and we must take full advantage of the soap-box of internet football sub-forums to further the good of humanity. not forgetting also using them as an opportunity to make wild and unfounded acusations based on our own ignorance and arrogance and fail to back them up with any substance or evidence whatsoever when challanged too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Just come back from 2 weeks in Puket, beautiful place, friendly people and not over priced.. Theconly tragedy was that the buffet breakfast ran out of crispy bacon on the second Tuesday of the week, emotional times but I lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Phuket is a ****hole...thats a tradegy right there. Kinda a 'Ibiza' or Thailand and totally westernised. Put that on the website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 As there appears to be no appropriate section for Deppo apart from TMS please would the mods only allow him access to that section. This would ensure that his disruptive posts don't appear in sensible threads everywhere else. I agree with the above. Deppo there is a section for muppets, could you please keep your unfunny comments to that section. FWIW I received medical treatment in Thailand after an NHS balls up. I was having stomach pains and went to Winchester Hospital. They ran a load of tests and said there was nothing wrong with me. I went backpacking in Thailand and kept having the pains. Went reluctantly to the Thai hospital fearing it would be a dive but it made Winchester hospital look like something from WW2. They said that I had gall stones and because they went untreated, I had developed a stomach ulcer. All of this missed by Winchester hospital after a day of tests. I guess money does really talk over there, however the medical care was supprising far suppior to our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Phuket is a ****hole...thats a tradegy right there. Kinda a 'Ibiza' or Thailand and totally westernised. Put that on the website! Phuket is a lovely place, have to agree slightly that it has gone bad in the last 15 years, however it beats Bali hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Ah, the depressed, foetal comfort of spiteful cynicism. You sound two pints short of a personality. Cheer up. Did Verbal used to post as Scooby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 April, 2011 Share Posted 28 April, 2011 Phuket is a lovely place, have to agree slightly that it has gone bad in the last 15 years, however it beats Bali hands down. Came back from Bali last week...I agree even worse! Bintang is great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 8 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2011 A toxic bedbug spray may have contributed to the death of New Zealander Sarah Carter in Thailand. The 23-year-old died in February, while in Chiang Mai holidaying with friends. Now, traces of a potentially lethal toxin have been found in her room. A 60 Minutes investigation has revealed the hotel rooms had been sprayed with a potentially lethal toxin called chlorpyrifos, which has been banned from indoor use in other countries. UN scientist Dr Ron McDowall says there's a strong likelihood Ms Carter died from excessive exposure to the substance. Several other tourists died suddenly in Thailand around the same time. http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9338476/bedbug-spray-couldve-killed-carter/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 8 May, 2011 Share Posted 8 May, 2011 Six other tourists in the city died at the same time, including three at the same hotel, all with similar symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 9 May, 2011 Share Posted 9 May, 2011 Any reports on cleaners dying? That must have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 May, 2011 Share Posted 9 May, 2011 Any reports on cleaners dying? That must have happened. If you are under the slightest misapprehension that the Thai authorities have the slightest interest in the welfare of hotel workers then you are sadly mistaken. They can suppress reports of the death of locals but the thoughtless foreigners who travel to Thailand make a dreadful fuss if one of their family or friends dies whilst staying there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 May, 2011 Share Posted 9 May, 2011 Dear god. The fact that bad things happen, and that they happen in certain types in certain places (eg sex trafficking in Moldova, bride trafficking in India, bonded labour in Dubai, etc) does NOT mean we should just sit back and accept it. If you give in to that corrupted logic, we'd never have abolished slavery. The fact, incidentally, that slavery (as one example) is now more extant than when it was abolished in the 18th century means we constantly have to be alert against the dangerous thought process that goes: 'yes, sh!t happens, but accept it, it's the way of the world.' What's it to do with us? We can exercise our right not to go there as tourists, but if you are so prissy about these things, then you'd end up staying in England and moaning about the injustices, poor food and service over here. Anyway, if you read Phil's remarks properly, I don't see him saying that we ought to accept these things, just to be aware of them. As to the comment on the logic that we'd never have ended slavery if we had taken that attitude then, it was we as a nation that exploited slavery to our own ends, so we had some influence on ending it and because of our Colonial might, we were also able to end Suttee and Thuggee in India. So what exactly do you propose we do to stop sex trafficking in Moldova, bride trafficking in India, bonded labour in Dubai, etc? Impose trade embargos? Interfere in the internal politics of another country? Send in a Gun Boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 May, 2011 Share Posted 9 May, 2011 (edited) What's it to do with us? We can exercise our right not to go there as tourists, but if you are so prissy about these things, then you'd end up staying in England and moaning about the injustices, poor food and service over here. Anyway, if you read Phil's remarks properly, I don't see him saying that we ought to accept these things, just to be aware of them. As to the comment on the logic that we'd never have ended slavery if we had taken that attitude then, it was we as a nation that exploited slavery to our own ends, so we had some influence on ending it and because of our Colonial might, we were also able to end Suttee and Thuggee in India. So what exactly do you propose we do to stop sex trafficking in Moldova, bride trafficking in India, bonded labour in Dubai, etc? Impose trade embargos? Interfere in the internal politics of another country? Send in a Gun Boat? No Wes, Verbal is so right. You need to all volunteer to pay taxes at 85% so that you can employ special enforcers to make every country in the world have exactly the same values and standards as the pristine and uncorrupt and non exploitive Nirvana that is the UK. A magical place where 4 blokes couldn't possibly scam 42million out of a National treasure and destroy the livelihoods of thousands. Where a Voting System gives you a Government that you all chose to vote for. That allows Cockle Pickers to import Chinese labourers on peanuts and then drown them off Blackpool beach. And of course a magical country that has no Sex Slave trade. A country that pays people thrown out of Extremist Muslim Countries for inciting racial hatred to spout that same hatred in that marvellous paragon of Virtue. And of course where the Elected Government show no signs of Corruption whatsoever when filling in their expense claims. But Verbal never reads, he has Opinions and only bothers about ramming them down other people's throats - "Coz it's a Democracy and that's want it stands for innit" No amount of legislation can stop a fool being foolish. And anyone who travels ANYWHERE with their eyes shut is a fool. Seek first to Understand, then travel. If you Understand and don't like it then don't travel. To put it bluntly, just because it may be perfectly OK to have sex on a beach in the UK or wear a see-through top being a female 40Kg overweight in a shopping Mall is normal practice, why the feck do WE have to make that permissible over here? Edited 9 May, 2011 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 May, 2011 Share Posted 9 May, 2011 (edited) NB Removed by Moderator ORLY? Hope you have a good lawyer, I do believe that is a libellous claim. Also as other forum members have noticed on their trips here, again you make the mistake of not understanding the local issues. Now, if you had BEEN to The Seaview and seen what was on offer then not even you after 45 pints would have been tempted. Again JB your attempt at a joke aside, women are forced to take that choice of career for many reasons. Over here we have as much trafficking as in the UK. Like the UK the law enforcement people are trying to do something about it. But it takes guts to take on armed mafias in both countries. How many of the girls in Avram's favourite haunt were there by choice Edited 9 May, 2011 by St Chalet Removed quote to deleted post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 May, 2011 Share Posted 10 May, 2011 If you are under the slightest misapprehension that the Thai authorities have the slightest interest in the welfare of hotel workers then you are sadly mistaken. They can suppress reports of the death of locals but the thoughtless foreigners who travel to Thailand make a dreadful fuss if one of their family or friends dies whilst staying there. Its not thoughtless to stay in a hotel - its not their fault they were poisoned. If it was the UK there would (usually) be a vigorous police investigation if 6 Japanese tourists and some English staff died in Southampton Holiday Inn. Thailand it gets suppressed. I believe we can apply our standards to a country that actively advertises itself and promotes itself as a great place for Westerners to come holiday. If it is not a safe place then our governments should advise us not to travel there, or at least that Thailand has poor health and safety and to beware its hotels and guesthouses. These people are pefrectly to entitled therefore to set uip this website to warn people HTH. BTW Thailand receives 3 times more men as tourists than women, which the authorities have put down to their amazing golf courses HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 10 May, 2011 Share Posted 10 May, 2011 Its not thoughtless to stay in a hotel - its not their fault they were poisoned. If it was the UK there would (usually) be a vigorous police investigation if 6 Japanese tourists and some English staff died in Southampton Holiday Inn. Thailand it gets suppressed. I believe we can apply our standards to a country that actively advertises itself and promotes itself as a great place for Westerners to come holiday. If it is not a safe place then our governments should advise us not to travel there, or at least that Thailand has poor health and safety and to beware its hotels and guesthouses. These people are pefrectly to entitled therefore to set uip this website to warn people HTH. BTW Thailand receives 3 times more men as tourists than women, which the authorities have put down to their amazing golf courses HTH. Hua Hin has some wonderful golf courses, I quite agree with the authorities there. Maybe more women should take up Golf to balance it all out. The crux of it for me is that every country has a vice problem, in the UK, it tends to be underground as that way we can pretend it isn't there, in Thailand it's more transparent. Also, for some ladies, it's not a lifestyle choice to work in bars, it's hardly high-class, quite the opposite and for some girls. For a poorly educated village girl, it's often the only doorway of opportunity that opens for them to escape to a better life. It might be gross, disgusting, seedy but in some countries,such as Thailand, it's that or go hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 May, 2011 Share Posted 10 May, 2011 Its a strange one as in seems all round the world, even Thailand, there are also women who could help on the farm, work in a call centre, shop, etc, but choose the better paid and more "glamorous" or "fun" option of being a stripper, escort, prostitute or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Its not thoughtless to stay in a hotel - its not their fault they were poisoned. If it was the UK there would (usually) be a vigorous police investigation if 6 Japanese tourists and some English staff died in Southampton Holiday Inn. Thailand it gets suppressed. I believe we can apply our standards to a country that actively advertises itself and promotes itself as a great place for Westerners to come holiday. If it is not a safe place then our governments should advise us not to travel there, or at least that Thailand has poor health and safety and to beware its hotels and guesthouses. These people are pefrectly to entitled therefore to set uip this website to warn people HTH. BTW Thailand receives 3 times more men as tourists than women, which the authorities have put down to their amazing golf courses HTH. I'm afraid you missed the sarcasm there JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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