wadesmith Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Why is Jimmy Adams for ever overlooked for the captaincy? He has played under Warne, Crawley, Pothas, Dimi and Cork and the only three matches we have won this season he was captain, why are we looking for another declining Aussie? Yep,god knows,he seems a natural choice. I've got no problem with us signing Katich I think he would score 1200 plus in a season, but i don't want to see him as captain, and for all i know he may be the best county captain in the world, but i would love adams to be captain for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Yeah not looking good, we could squeak it but, we would probably have to get max points and hope Worcester go into melt-down. I think we deserve to go down. I think we have the lowest bonus points in the league which is normally a pretty good indication of how things have gone in a season. cork has got the spanish archer today, and in retrospect making him captain in the Championship msy not have been the best decision we ever made, but he's been pretty good for three years. If Hants go down by a margin of 8 points or less, I'd say it wasn't deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Yeah not looking good, we could squeak it but, we would probably have to get max points and hope Worcester go into melt-down. I think we deserve to go down. I think we have the lowest bonus points in the league which is normally a pretty good indication of how things have gone in a season. cork has got the spanish archer today, and in retrospect making him captain in the Championship msy not have been the best decision we ever made, but he's been pretty good for three years. Relegation is ,and has been since a couple of games into the season, inevitable. We cannot bowl sides out even when we have them on the ropes.When you have that situation the batsmen are always looking for quick runs and Adams in particular just can't make them. Hants cocked up the recruitment, signing some real junk and now relegation will be the price of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 ****ing hell, three dropped catches already this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 I see that Cork has not been offered a new contract. Presumably Katich will be the new captain although I think Jimmy Adams deserves a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 ****ing hell, three dropped catches already this morning It's awful - I think the number of dropped catches is one of the reasons for our position - we drop far too many. Is it lack of concentration or lack of proper training and practice? Players should get a big fine for every catch they drop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 It seems like an early lunch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 It seems like an early lunch! No, in September play is brought forward by half an hour because of the earlier deterioration of light, so the scheduled start time was 10.30 with lunch at 12.30. As it turned out, we started at 11 because of all the overnight rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Thnaks Steve. Let's hope they can make the catches stick - 115 for 2 can we get them all out for less than 220? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Another drop That's five now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Another drop That's five now... It is simply not good enough. Warwicks are 220 for 2 and arguably should be 220 for 7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 It is simply not good enough. Warwicks are 220 for 2 and arguably should be 220 for 7! To be honest if we stayed up it would just paper over the cracks, we would try and limp on another year with middling over-age pro's. Going down MAY be a blessing. Carberry,Adams & Katich are going to all score for fun in that league. The bowling is a concern, but if Ali is fit we will come straight back up. Lets be honest we are not a division one team at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Is Giles White the answer either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 Relegation must now be approaching fast, with Worcs at 135/1 having obtained more bowling points than us as well I'd think that another 150 odd from them would put us down definitively come what may afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO5 4BW Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 I think it'll be mathematically certain when Worcs get 300 - they needed eight points to be beyond our reach (17 ahead before this game, plus 8 to get 25 - one more than we could have got). They got three bonus points and we dropped two, so that's five already. Three batting points and we're down If we are relegated I'd hope that it's by more than a margin of 8 points, so that stupid points deduction won't have been crucial. Hopefully we can regroup and bounce back in one season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 I think it'll be mathematically certain when Worcs get 300 - they needed eight points to be beyond our reach (17 ahead before this game, plus 8 to get 25 - one more than we could have got). They got three bonus points and we dropped two, so that's five already. Three batting points and we're down If we are relegated I'd hope that it's by more than a margin of 8 points, so that stupid points deduction won't have been crucial. Hopefully we can regroup and bounce back in one season Worcs lost their last 7 wickets for 33 and didn't make 300,not sure that our situation is really any more hopeful though,we'll need to make 600 in a day and then skittle Warks for under 100 to profit from Worcs's bevue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 476 for 7 - not good - how many more dropped catches?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO5 4BW Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 Hmmm - Worcs don't make 300, so don't get their third batting point. Lost their last 5 wickets for 5 runs! So all that has to happen is for us to take the last few Warks wickets, score 400 in 110 overs, win the game - oh - and Worcs have to actually lose to Durham. Then we're on level points and stay up on most wins! Easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 We'd actually stay up on fewest defeats rather than most wins - would have 4 wins each, but 6 defeats to their 10. It was an interesting point that Nick Knight made on commentary this morning that Worcestershire have had an all-or-nothing approach to their games this year and that it might ultimately mean they stay up. However, if they go down, it'll almost certainly be the main reason, as they were unable to see games out to a stalemate. Three points for a draw might not seem much, but it's likely to be the difference between relegation and survival. Of course, we wouldn't even be having this discussion had it not been for that ****ing ridiculous 8-point deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO5 4BW Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 We'd actually stay up on fewest defeats rather than most wins - would have 4 wins each, but 6 defeats to their 10. Ah - true. First part done - Warks all out for 493 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 This ain't over yet, but it's gonna be like threading a camel through the eye of a needle. First we have to score 350 runs tomorrow within 90 overs, if we manage that the game would normally be dead..but Warwickshire may well have to win this one and could end up setting us say 200 in 50 overs. I admit this is all a bit of a long-shot.......but it's the only shot we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 This ain't over yet, but it's gonna be like threading a camel through the eye of a needle. First we have to score 350 runs tomorrow within 90 overs, if we manage that the game would normally be dead..but Warwickshire may well have to win this one and could end up setting us say 200 in 50 overs. I admit this is all a bit of a long-shot.......but it's the only shot we've got. If that happens it would make all Saints' great escapes from the past seem like chicken feed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 If that happens it would make all Saints' great escapes from the past seem like chicken feed! Yeah particlarly as i forgot to mention that Worcs have to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Are there any more straws to clutch at?! We're 188 for 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 We have a batting bonus point Vince's innings was a microcosm of his career so far, accumulating runs quickly, looking in good touch, and then gets ahead of himself and tosses his wicket away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsdan Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 We have a batting bonus point Vince's innings was a microcosm of his career so far, accumulating runs quickly, looking in good touch, and then gets ahead of himself and tosses his wicket away Agreed Steve, although to be fair to him on this occasion he needed to score quickly if we have any chance of getting 400 in 110 overs and hence maximum batting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 253 for 6 with Dawson still there on 126. It's a shame the others can't support him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Relegation confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Relegation confirmed And fully deserved. We have been awful this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 43 for 3 in the second innings - it really is very poor. I think this team is demoralised and we do need some serious changes. Look at the batting points this season - very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 43 for 3 in the second innings - it really is very poor. I think this team is demoralised and we do need some serious changes. Look at the batting points this season - very poor. I'm not sure if I quite agree, if anything we have got better towards the end of the season.we've won 3 of our last 5 games I think, so i'm not sure if we are demoralised Definately agree we need changes. I would also query why in the ;ast 3 seasons we always start so badly, is there something wrong with our preparation pre-season? I don't know but the same thing is happening eash year. Champions Div 2 next year no sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 I'm not sure if I quite agree, if anything we have got better towards the end of the season.we've won 3 of our last 5 games I think, so i'm not sure if we are demoralised Definately agree we need changes. I would also query why in the ;ast 3 seasons we always start so badly, is there something wrong with our preparation pre-season? I don't know but the same thing is happening eash year. Champions Div 2 next year no sweat. I read the Guardian report after day one of this match and they said we looked very down and despondent - and the proof was there in that we dropped 5 catches. We all knwo you simply can't do that and expect to do well. We have been weak in every department but our batting has been really inconsistent - and the bonus points tally tells it own story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 I read the Guardian report after day one of this match and they said we looked very down and despondent - and the proof was there in that we dropped 5 catches. We all knwo you simply can't do that and expect to do well. We have been weak in every department but our batting has been really inconsistent - and the bonus points tally tells it own story. Yeah you may be right. Don't worry next we'll smash it. To be honest i'm more worried about the clubs finances. I keep hearing whispers that things are not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Get Adkins in...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 I'm not sure if I quite agree, if anything we have got better towards the end of the season.we've won 3 of our last 5 games I think, so i'm not sure if we are demoralised Definately agree we need changes. I would also query why in the ;ast 3 seasons we always start so badly, is there something wrong with our preparation pre-season? I don't know but the same thing is happening eash year. Champions Div 2 next year no sweat. Lumb and Mascarenhas have had IPL stints which has kept them out for the first few games, which clearly can't help when they're generally key first XI players (Lumb less so in the 4-day game). I've not been able to see much of us in the 4-day game (saw a day against Durham at the start of the season when Stokes hit Dawson for 5 sixes in an over), but if the current game is anything of a guide then we've simply let teams off the hook with poor catching. Chopra was dropped on 5 and made 109 and Chanderpaul was dropped on 32 and made 171. Take those extra runs out of the equation and Warwickshire only make 250 in their first innings, which probably puts us in the driving seat for the game. 324 wasn't that bad a score, IMO, but we'd given them so many extra runs that it was made to look a below-par score. Apparently Nick Knight mentioned yesterday that Nic Pothas is either leaving or retiring at the end of the year, which I think is probably a good thing as it now gives Michael Bates a chance to play on a consistent basis in all forms of the game. Adams should get the captaincy full-time, he's done pretty well in the last 5 games, I think. We still have the nucleus of a very good side, we just need to make sure we've got the right men in the right fielding positions relative to their catching ability. As good a fielder as Michael Carberry is, he's crap at catching (backed up by his former captain Rob Key on commentary), so why are we putting him in at first slip? Ervine and McKenzie are decent catchers, Adams as well. Get shot of de Wet, Myburgh, maybe even Kabir Ali and Simon Jones if they're either not fit enough or we're not going to pick them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 I would rather we play Balcombe, Tomlinson and Wood than Jones or Ali. Play the youth they have the desire rather than crocked players too frightened to go all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 202 for 3 - looking better. We might yet salvage a bit of pride and enable Lancs to win the title! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benali Saint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Lumb and Mascarenhas have had IPL stints which has kept them out for the first few games, which clearly can't help when they're generally key first XI players (Lumb less so in the 4-day game). I've not been able to see much of us in the 4-day game (saw a day against Durham at the start of the season when Stokes hit Dawson for 5 sixes in an over), but if the current game is anything of a guide then we've simply let teams off the hook with poor catching. Chopra was dropped on 5 and made 109 and Chanderpaul was dropped on 32 and made 171. Take those extra runs out of the equation and Warwickshire only make 250 in their first innings, which probably puts us in the driving seat for the game. 324 wasn't that bad a score, IMO, but we'd given them so many extra runs that it was made to look a below-par score. Apparently Nick Knight mentioned yesterday that Nic Pothas is either leaving or retiring at the end of the year, which I think is probably a good thing as it now gives Michael Bates a chance to play on a consistent basis in all forms of the game. Adams should get the captaincy full-time, he's done pretty well in the last 5 games, I think. We still have the nucleus of a very good side, we just need to make sure we've got the right men in the right fielding positions relative to their catching ability. As good a fielder as Michael Carberry is, he's crap at catching (backed up by his former captain Rob Key on commentary), so why are we putting him in at first slip? Ervine and McKenzie are decent catchers, Adams as well. Get shot of de Wet, Myburgh, maybe even Kabir Ali and Simon Jones if they're either not fit enough or we're not going to pick them anyway. I think Lumb has agreed to join asomeone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 327 for 7 at the end - that's a bit better! Congratulations to Lancashire who have had to wait 77 years since they last won the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Just got back home from a spirited fight back from Hampshire. Seems Pothas has played his last game for Hampshire. Last night he complained about the lack of discipline in the side, could not understand why a captain often drove himself to games rather than be on the coach and a number of other matters. I have heard 3rd hand that Giles White just does not want to see him anymore. Dawson is absolutely devastated at our relegation. Looks like Katich will be joining us and on a separate note the Chairman could see no reason why MacKenzie should not be with us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 327 for 7 at the end - that's a bit better! Congratulations to Lancashire who have had to wait 77 years since they last won the Championship. Yeah fair play Lancs, and well done us at last, it would have been easy for us to not give a **** an roll over today. As i said i think we will score a shed-load of runs next year as long as we can keep the players. Does anyone know about our financial plight, i'm hearing dome horror stories, but it may be chinese whispers. Are we gonna have a club to dupport much longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Yeah fair play Lancs, and well done us at last, it would have been easy for us to not give a **** an roll over today. As i said i think we will score a shed-load of runs next year as long as we can keep the players. Does anyone know about our financial plight, i'm hearing dome horror stories, but it may be chinese whispers. Are we gonna have a club to dupport much longer?The situation regarding finance is held very close to the chest of the Chairman, Financial Director and Managing Director. No one can get anything out of them but from little hints I think we will come through the present "crisis" that is affecting not just us but most of the major clubs. We will have a club next season, of that I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Seems Pothas has played his last game for Hampshire. Entirely unbothered, to be honest. Actually, I'm quite pleased. He's been holding back the development of Bates (and, to a lesser extent, Rouse) for the last year or so, when he was fit he still played even in the T20 when Bates is clearly a much better keeper. Last night he complained about the lack of discipline in the side, could not understand why a captain often drove himself to games rather than be on the coach and a number of other matters. Why did he complain about that last night when the captain who he's presumably talking about (Cork) won't be here next year? Very odd. On that particular issue, I can kind-of see his point, but does someone with the influence, experience and know-how *really* need to get on a coach to have the respect of other senior players? Looks like Katich will be joining us and on a separate note the Chairman could see no reason why MacKenzie should not be with us next season. Good news on both fronts. I'm loathe to say we should be strong next year, as we've been saying that every year for the last decade, but the last 5 games have shown that we can compete in the longer form of the game, we just need to do it more consistently rather than in a desperate last-ditch attempt to save our arses. Make a decent start and we could be looking at a short stay in division two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO5 4BW Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 I have heard 3rd hand that Giles White just does not want to see him anymore. Sorry Weston - White doesn't want to see Cork or Pothas? Will be very sad to see Pothas going - had to happen though. He's one of our all time greats and his batting balances the team - or has over the last decade. We'll need to sign a replacement as, brilliant as Bates's keeping may be, his batting isn't up to it - so far anyway. With him in the side we've had to play a sixth batsman, leaving us short on bowlers. Hopefully we can bounce back quickly - but it won't be easy - I thought that about Saints in 2005! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 If Mackenzie signs next year as well as Katich[With Carberry,Vince,Dawson,Adams and Ervine] we should come straight back up with Yorkshire. I think Bates should also be a shoe in,his batting is improving rapidly. It is a shame that we will lose a year in division 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 (edited) Just got back home from a spirited fight back from Hampshire. Seems Pothas has played his last game for Hampshire. Last night he complained about the lack of discipline in the side, could not understand why a captain often drove himself to games rather than be on the coach and a number of other matters. I have heard 3rd hand that Giles White just does not want to see him anymore. Dawson is absolutely devastated at our relegation. Looks like Katich will be joining us and on a separate note the Chairman could see no reason why MacKenzie should not be with us next season. Youre a steward at The Rose Bowl arent you ? Surely you should be more discreet , re-cycling what a bitter Pothas might have said is not helpful. Edited 15 September, 2011 by manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 We will walk this lea..... hang on a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 (edited) All been confirmed on the club website, along with release of waste of space Kolpak players Myburgh and de Wett. Surprised that Katich hasn't come in as captain though! Edited 15 September, 2011 by krissyboy31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Interesting stuff - I think Pothas has been a great servant for the club and some people might be asking questions about Giles White. We should not have got ourselves into the current position and someone should take some responsibility. Looking forward, it is never that easy to bounce straight back (eg Saints) but let's hope we manage to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Sorry Weston - White doesn't want to see Cork or Pothas? Will be very sad to see Pothas going - had to happen though. He's one of our all time greats and his batting balances the team - or has over the last decade. We'll need to sign a replacement as, brilliant as Bates's keeping may be, his batting isn't up to it - so far anyway. With him in the side we've had to play a sixth batsman, leaving us short on bowlers. Hopefully we can bounce back quickly - but it won't be easy - I thought that about Saints in 2005!Pothas was who I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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