David CaMoron will be in Hampshire today.

[OVER THE HILL]

According to the Echo he will give a speech about immigration.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8973248.PM_to_set_out_immigration_plan_during_Hampshire_visit/

 

Usual BS I suppose

[LGTL]

And already Vince Cable is criticising what the PM will be saying. Can anybody really see this coalition lasting, they clearly hate each other.

[SuperMikey]

Apparently "Immigration is dividing Britain". No sh!t Sherlock.

 

He wants to reduce immigration levels to what they were in the 1980s.

[Dimond Geezer]

It's Romsey.

I thought something exciting had happened, as there were police & dog teams buzzing around by the Town Hall at 8am. What a disappopintment to find out it was only Bangwagon Dave bringing his roadshow to town.

[Gemmel]

I have a feeling Mr Cameron will be revered in years to come, as the man who saved our country. I don't think he will enjoy such favourable status during his time in office, but in the years to come, people will appreciate what he is / has done.

[OVER THE HILL]

I have a feeling Mr Cameron will be revered in years to come, as the man who saved our country. I don't think he will enjoy such favourable status during his time in office, but in the years to come, people will appreciate what he is / has done.

 

 

:lol:

[Deppo]

I have a feeling Mr Cameron will be revered in years to come.

 

Like Thatcher.

 

And Hitler.

[Crab Lungs]

I have a feeling Mr Cameron will be revered in years to come, as the man who saved our country. I don't think he will enjoy such favourable status during his time in office, but in the years to come, people will appreciate what he is / has done.

 

...and I agree.

[Special K]

And already Vince Cable is criticising what the PM will be saying. Can anybody really see this coalition lasting, they clearly hate each other.

 

Ah yes, Cable says what Cameron proposes as "unwise". Is this the same Vince Cable, serious politician that he is, who apperared dressed as Santa on a Strictly Come Dancing and got recorded saying he'd "declared war" on Murdoch re: the proposed BSkyB takeover? Surely not, he wouldn't be so "unwise"!

[scotty]

I have a feeling Mr Cameron will be revered in years to come, as the man who saved our country. I don't think he will enjoy such favourable status during his time in office, but in the years to come, people will appreciate what he is / has done.

 

He will more likely be remembered as the man who saved our economy, although you could argue that the two things are interlinked

 

Like Thatcher.

 

And Hitler.

 

 

and he is nothing like either.

[Gemmel]

And Hitler.

 

No deppo, not like hitler.

[Verbal]

No deppo, not like hitler.

 

More like Goebbels.

[Deppo]

Satan?

[dronskisaint]

I have a feeling Mr Cameron will be revered in years to come, as the man who saved our country. I don't think he will enjoy such favourable status during his time in office, but in the years to come, people will appreciate what he is / has done.

 

I think it's more likely that he'll be reviled like Thatcher - I'm not a great fan of Brown but he had a better understanding and was less driven by dogma than Cameron.

[Verbal]

Satan?

 

Close. I think Gemmel had Gandhi in mind.

[thesaint sfc]

...and I agree.

 

And me. An unpopular PM during a recession is doing all the right things IMO.

[Gemmel]

I think it's more likely that he'll be reviled like Thatcher - I'm not a great fan of Brown but he had a better understanding and was less driven by dogma than Cameron.

 

For all those that revile her, twice as many revere her.

 

As for clown what did he have a better understanding of? Economics? Spending? Borrowing? He was never elected and fell at the first hurdle. Nice bloke he maybe, but he has set this country back 50 years and was rightly kicked into touch.

[Special K]

Q. Name 1 PM, who governed in your lifetime, that isn't remembered as a bellend? Nope, can't think of one.

[Verbal]

Q. Name 1 PM, who governed in your lifetime, that isn't remembered as a bellend? Nope, can't think of one.

 

It's more of a sliding scale - and Cameron has slid to the bottom with greased-lightning speed. Only Clegg has outdone him by demonstrating his utter uselessness, so transparently, so quickly, while making sure that he, like Cameron, has benefitted, free, from all the privileges (like an Oxbridge education) they are now busily denying succeeding generations.

 

Incidentally, the odd and funny thing about Cameron's complaint about Oxford's admissions of black students (or black student singular), is that his numbers were based solely on those collected by David Lammy (then Labour Minister for Higher Ed), who made the same mistake when he threw an identical wobbly last year.

[Thedelldays]

verbal, you really do talk some utter ****e..

 

what do you think of our chances (saints that is) on sat....?

who do you think should play in the middle of the park..?

[scotty]

Q. Name 1 PM, who governed in your lifetime, that isn't remembered as a bellend? Nope, can't think of one.

 

 

John major. But thats mainly because he isnt remembered at all, apart from the later shocker that hed been rodding edwina currie.

[Verbal]

John major. But thats mainly because he isnt remembered at all, apart from the later shocker that hed been rodding edwina currie.

 

An invisible bellend then?

[Dimond Geezer]

John major. But thats mainly because he isnt remembered at all, apart from the later shocker that hed been rodding edwina currie.

 

An invisible bellend then?

 

I'm sure there's a joke there if you squint hard enough.

[scotty]

I'm sure there's a joke there if you squint hard enough.

 

Fairly amusing imo, and also accurate.

 

 

And fwiw, I would have wrecked edwina myself so I dont blame major for taking full advantage

[Lord Duckhunter]

I think it's more likely that he'll be reviled like Thatcher - I'm not a great fan of Brown but he had a better understanding and was less driven by dogma than Cameron.

 

 

You are joking, right?

 

Brown was the most dogma driven PM of modern times. From selling our gold at rock bottom prices to destroying the private sector pension provisions, he was a completely and utterly driven by misguided dogma.

[Verbal]

You are joking, right?

 

Brown was the most dogma driven PM of modern times. From selling our gold at rock bottom prices to destroying the private sector pension provisions, he was a completely and utterly driven by misguided dogma.

 

You're talking about Brown the Chancellor, not Brown the PM. I couldn't detect any dogma in Brown the PM - I couldn't detect much of anything really, apart from a REALLY bad temper.

[Thedelldays]

brown the PM was a disaster...no matter how your angry mind says others verbal...

here is a list I borrowed of browns great achievements in his first year.......seeing as call me dave is approaching his..

 

 

25/09/07

 

D'oh! - Greatest threat since WW2 - The sun publish an excellent graphic depicting Gordon Brown giving the British people the two fingered salute over the EU Treaty.

 

28/09/07

 

D'oh! - The number of prisoners in England and Wales has reached a record high.

Official figures suggest there were 81,135 people locked up in jails and in police stations.

 

06/10/07

 

D'oh! - According to Nick Robinson the BBC's political editor, Gordon Brown is to announce very shortly that he WILL NOT be calling an Autumn Election.

 

07/10/07

 

D'oh! - Gordon Brown's week is just not getting any better. It turns out that German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that Robert Mugabe is entitled to attend a Europe-Africa summit.

 

09/10/07

 

D'oh! - European Scrutiny Committee report that they are not confident that Gordon Brown's EU Treaty red lines cannot be eroded over time.

 

09/10/07

 

D'oh! - Alistair Darling's Pre Budget Report receives massive criticism for stealing Tory policies.

 

22/10/07

 

D'oh! - Labour (who were not that serious about an autumn election) are allegedly facing a bill of £1 million for their election that "never was" campaign.

 

29/10/07

 

D'oh! - Independent ComRes poll shows the Conservatives 8 points clear of Labour.

 

04/11/07

 

D'oh! - Ruth Kelly apologises for breaking rules on using public money for party political material. She spent some of her £10,000-a-year communications allowance on a newsletter which repeatedly referred to "Labour".

 

07/11/07

 

D'oh! - Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said "The answer is I don't know" when she was asked on BBC Radio 4 just how long the proposed detention limit should be.

 

13/11/07

 

D'oh! - Jacqui Smith makes a statement in which she tries to explain (spin) why it was not announced back in July that 5,000 illegal immigrants have been wrongly cleared to work in security.

 

20/11/07

 

D'oh! - 25m sets of personal details get lost in the post. Bank account numbers, sort codes, names, addresses, dates of birth and National Insurance numbers.

 

23/11/07

 

D'oh! - Lords debate that saw five ex-chiefs of staff attack Gordon Brown for inadequate MoD funding levels and the appointment of "two hats" Des Browne.

 

26/11/07

 

D'oh! - Labour party's General Secretary Peter Watt resigns over dodgy donations.

 

26/11/07

 

D'oh! - ComRes poll commissioned by the Independent shows the Tories 13 points ahead of Labour.

 

28/11/07

 

D'oh! - Vince Cable brings the house down by pointing out the Brown had transformed from Stalin to Mr bean over the last few weeks.

 

29/11/07

 

D'oh! - The electoral commission call in the police to investigate the dodgy donations received by the Labour party.

 

30/11/07

 

D'oh! - Harriet Harman admits that she took out an unreported £40,000 extension to her and her husband's mortgage with the Halifax to fund the campaign.

 

3/12/07

 

D'oh! - Cabinet minister Peter Hain has said more donations to his Labour deputy leadership campaign "were not registered as they should have been". That's on top of the £5,000 donation that he forgot last week.

 

6/12/07

 

D'oh! - A leaked letter from Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, to the Chancellor Alistair Darling has got the police gnawing on their truncheons. It seems Jacqui is not keen to bide by the judgement of the Arbitration for the latest police pay award.

 

6/12/07

 

D'oh! - Jan Berry, Chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, says: If the government want a fight, they have got a fight. We are actively pursuing a legal challenge and have requested an urgent meeting with the Home Secretary who must be held to account for her scandalous decision."

 

7/12/07

 

D'oh! - Ben Brogan writes: Senior figures have been holding secret talks to decide a response to the drastic turnaround in Mr Brown's fortunes after a disastrous two months.

 

11/12/07

 

D'oh! - Frank Field requested a report from the Statistics Commission after the DWP gave him a dodgy estimation on the number of foreign workers in the UK. The report states that 80% of jobs created since 1997 have gone to foreign workers.

 

12/12/07

 

D'oh! - At PMQs Vince Cable said: "Given his (Gordon's) own position, the prime minister might not be wise to speculate on leadership elections".

 

13/12/07

 

D'oh! - Gordon Brown turns up late to sign the EU Treaty - to much criticism.

 

13/12/07

 

D'oh! - Jacqui Smith announces in a Commons statement that a least 6,653 (possibly 11,100) illegal immigrants are working security jobs in the UK.

 

13/12/07

 

D'oh! - At an emergency meeting about the police pay crisis, the staff associations representing the UK's 170,000 police officers have called for Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, to resign.

 

14/12/07

 

D'oh! - Scientists at the IAH blame the government for failing to stop the foot and mouth outbreak from spreading. The scientist say that Defra were wrong to give the all clear, and this led to the second outbreak a month later.

 

17/12/07

Illegal immigrant working on security staff at the Home Office.

 

24/12/07

 

168,000 NHS Patient records lost - What do you expect?

 

1/1/08

 

DNA database balls-up - 13.7% of the people on it, don't exist.

 

21/1/08

 

Des Browne apologises for missing MOD Laptop

 

23/1/08

 

25,000 Police Officers march and rally in London for fair pay.

 

24/1/08

 

Peter Hain resigns from the cabinet - about bloody time.

 

9/2/08

 

Charles Clarke - Gordon Brown is a Ditherer

 

22/2/08

 

Labour's trips to Auschwitz are a gimmick - Full stop.

 

4/3/08

 

Labour targets force up average NHS waiting times.

 

17/3/08

 

Police Federation - Poll for full industrial action rights.

 

21/3/08

 

Post Office closures - See how your Labour MP voted.

 

28/3/08

 

Conservatives command a 14 point lead over Labour (YouGov Poll).

 

10/4/08

 

Gordon Brown IS boycotting the Olympic opening ceremony.

 

16/4/08

 

Jacqui Smith accused of breaking election rules.

 

19/4/08

 

Gordon Brown - It's not so good to talk.

 

24/4/08

 

Gordon Brown turns on a tenpence (Nick Robinson interview).

 

24/4/08

 

Conservatives - 18 point lead in YouGov Poll.

 

2/5/08

 

Local and London Mayor Election - The morning after.

 

2/5/08

 

Boris Johnson - Mayor of London 2008.

 

7/5/08

 

Only 11% support Gordon Brown - No Confidence?

 

9/5/08

 

26 point lead - Cameron must be given the credit.

 

18/5/08

 

Crewe and Nantwich - Dunwoody tears up campaign leaflets.

 

21/5/08

 

Jan Berry slaps down Jacqui Smith - Police Federation Conference.

 

23/5/08

 

Crewe and Nantwich result - Conservative win!

 

25/5/08

 

This is your pilot Gordon Brown speaking.

 

1/6/08

 

Gordon Brown put on two weeks notice by Hilton.

 

5/6/08

 

Labour MPs warn of rebellion - again (Planning).

 

9/6/08

 

Stuart Wheeler takes Government to court over Lisbon Treaty.

 

10/6/08

 

Video - Gordon Brown - Where did it all go wrong?

 

10/6/08

 

Defenceless Royal Navy Destroyers - No Sea Dart missiles.

 

11/6/08

 

42 Days Detention - The result of the MPs vote.

 

11/6/08

 

Top Secret documents left on a train. Ooops.

 

13/6/08

 

Irish have said NO to the Lisbon Treaty.

 

14/6/08

 

David Davis on why he is fighting to defend our basic freedoms.

 

15/6/08

 

Labour MPs pledge support to David Davis over 42 Days.

 

And the hits just kept on coming!

[Verbal]

Delldays, I'd reply to your hopeless waffle if only you showed the tiniest talent for following an argument. Keep trying, though - you might strike lucky one day. Brown a political idiot? Of course! But we were talking about 'dogma' before you tripped over yourself, as always.

 

Now go away and think really, really hard, and see if you can come back with a post which even you could be proud of.

[Thedelldays]

verbal...who do you think should play CM this weekend..?

[View From The Top]

Delldays, I'd reply to your hopeless waffle if only you showed the tiniest talent for following an argument. Keep trying, though - you might strike lucky one day. Brown a political idiot? Of course! But we were talking about 'dogma' before you tripped over yourself, as always.

 

Now go away and think really, really hard, and see if you can come back with a post which even you could be proud of.

 

Ouch.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Delldays, I'd reply to your hopeless waffle if only you showed the tiniest talent for following an argument. Keep trying, though - you might strike lucky one day. Brown a political idiot? Of course! But we were talking about 'dogma' before you tripped over yourself, as always.

 

Now go away and think really, really hard, and see if you can come back with a post which even you could be proud of.

 

It was his dogma that stopped all of Tony Blairs much needed reforms of Health, Education and more importantly Frank Field's welfare reforms. Only the Labour party could reform the NHS and Blair has admitted he wasn't bold enough.Brown and his cronies dogma meant Labour wasted large majorities and decent ecomonic conditions, because Brown reverted to type.

 

Are you seriously trying to say Brown was a dogmatic CoE, but changed when he became PM. Everything he ever did was for political gain, he was permanently fighting an election, looking for angles to make the Tories look bad. Look at the way he messed up the election that never was. Briefed there was going to be one, because he thought the conditions were favourable, then one George O speech over inheritance tax goes down well and he bottles it. It was Govt by opinion polls, and he'll go down as one of the worst PM's in living memory.

[Verbal]

It was his dogma that stopped all of Tony Blairs much needed reforms of Health, Education and more importantly Frank Field's welfare reforms. Only the Labour party could reform the NHS and Blair has admitted he wasn't bold enough.Brown and his cronies dogma meant Labour wasted large majorities and decent ecomonic conditions, because Brown reverted to type.

 

Are you seriously trying to say Brown was a dogmatic CoE, but changed when he became PM. Everything he ever did was for political gain, he was permanently fighting an election, looking for angles to make the Tories look bad. Look at the way he messed up the election that never was. Briefed there was going to be one, because he thought the conditions were favourable, then one George O speech over inheritance tax goes down well and he bottles it. It was Govt by opinion polls, and he'll go down as one of the worst PM's in living memory.

 

Are you related to delldays in any way Ducky? You accidentally answered you own question. You can't be constantly acting in the name of a dogma and at the same time always pursuing a game of political advantage. They are diametric opposites.

[Jonnyboy]

It's Romsey.

I thought something exciting had happened, as there were police & dog teams buzzing around by the Town Hall at 8am. What a disappopintment to find out it was only Bangwagon Dave bringing his roadshow to town.

 

He shouldve had the balls to give that speech down the street in St Marys

[Saintandy666]

Surely, all this talk of PM's being bellends and disasters is totally subjective to your own political viewpoint?

[Verbal]

Surely, all this talk of PM's being bellends and disasters is totally subjective to your own political viewpoint?

 

Not really. A wholly objective definition of 'bellend' would always end with the words 'David Cameron'. Try it, you'll see.

[Special K]

It's more of a sliding scale - and Cameron has slid to the bottom with greased-lightning speed. Only Clegg has outdone him by demonstrating his utter uselessness, so transparently, so quickly, while making sure that he, like Cameron, has benefitted, free, from all the privileges (like an Oxbridge education) they are now busily denying succeeding generations.

 

Incidentally, the odd and funny thing about Cameron's complaint about Oxford's admissions of black students (or black student singular), is that his numbers were based solely on those collected by David Lammy (then Labour Minister for Higher Ed), who made the same mistake when he threw an identical wobbly last year.

 

I like the thought of a bellend-o-meter which measures ministerial ineptitude. It would be good to get Peter Snow to use it on election night.

 

So, the answer to my question is none. Not one PM of the last 30 years can be regarded as a success, if success is judged by not being a bellend. What chance do Call me Dave and Little Nick stand? At least Milliband has got that out of the way beforehand if he ever (heaven forbid) becomes PM.

[franny]

Are you related to delldays in any way Ducky? You accidentally answered you own question. You can't be constantly acting in the name of a dogma and at the same time always pursuing a game of political advantage. They are diametric opposites.

 

dog·ma (dôgm, dg-)

n. pl. dog·mas or dog·ma·ta (-m-t)

1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.

2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine.

3. A principle or belief or a group of them:

 

I would go with the theory that if he had one his dogma was based around a combination of 2) & 3) and his principle and belief was that Gordon is infallible.

I saw no evidence of his commitment to the country when he delayed and delayed announcment of the carriers costing the country £500m+. I am personally aware of two occasions when he delayed announcing because his opo TB would have been in Scotland and therfore taken some credit, something GB would have not wanted in a million years. When you add in his many cock ups in the treasury (bank regulations, gold reserves, pension destruction etc.) to his dithering and ineptitude at No 10 he was a complete disaster and whether it was dogma, acting for political advantage or just incompetence it is just semantics and the outcome was the same.

If anyone belives that the bulk of politicians of any colour are in it for any reason other than their ego and their beliief in their own infallibilty and that they know best is I believe sadly deluded.

[sperm_john]

why do people bother, its clear on here that there's two camps, much like politics in the real world (well three) .. and much like the real world, both sides follow their camp blindly at times, no one is going to convince the other otherwise.. there is hope for a honest political debate at times, but mostly I just see blind following.. its all very futile, the conservatives won the most seats at the general election and as such are having the biggest say at the moment, in our fair and democratic society and that's all there really is to it... all the staunch labour fans out there, you shall have your roll of the dice in the next election

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Look at Greece, Ireland, Portugal and possibly Spain stupid. It is fantastic that we have a the lib dems to add a compromise to addressing our overspend and add a little bit of compassion. The public sector cannot be bigger than the private sector.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Look at Greece, Ireland, Portugal and possibly Spain stupid. It is fantastic that we have a the lib dems to add a compromise to addressing our overspend and add a little bit of compassion. The public sector cannot be bigger than the private sector.

 

Not if you want decent services I guess.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Not if you want decent services I guess.

 

Its quite simple, you pay what you can afford. I am sure that in Zambia they would love to have our health service,

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Its quite simple, you pay what you can afford. I am sure that in Zambia they would love to have our health service,

 

That's no measure is it? However, If you want the outstanding levels of care we currently have you have to continue funding it by hook or by crook. People will not accept less. If firms such as HSBC and their ilk don't like it they can chuff off elsewhere and leave the country open to those companies who appreciate what a holiday they get from the government. Because you can bet your ******** to a barn dance they wouldn't have it this easy in Zambia!

[bridge too far]

That's no measure is it? However, If you want the outstanding levels of care we currently have you have to continue funding it by hook or by crook. People will not accept less. If firms such as HSBC and their ilk don't like it they can chuff off elsewhere and leave the country open to those companies who appreciate what a holiday they get from the government. Because you can bet your ******** to a barn dance they wouldn't have it this easy in Zambia!

 

They won't clear off to the likes of Zambia FFS! Not when they get away with tax avoidance on such a massive scale here

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-13035648

[dronskisaint]

You are joking, right?

 

Brown was the most dogma driven PM of modern times. From selling our gold at rock bottom prices to destroying the private sector pension provisions, he was a completely and utterly driven by misguided dogma.

 

As opposed to Thatcher's rape of our public service contributors by selling off electricity, oil, phones, water etc to private investors? There are many more examples but I'll keep it simple for you.

 

Take a little look at yourself...then another longer look at history. Thatcher destroyed the manafacturing industry in this country, sold the family silver (gold reserves pale in to insignificance in comparison but I agree that was a Brown mistake) to benefit her supporters and funders. She should be tried for crimes against the British economy.