bender Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Just disappointed we have lost to Rochdale twice this season.My Rochdale supporting mates cant believe their luck. To be fair they played us a two perfect times. The first time we had just sacked Pardew and the second we were clearly fatigued by the recent fixtures.
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 He has done a lot of good things but seriosuly nigel you are not bloody mourinho. Stop mucking around. Stephens sounded gash. We have been lucky a few times, lucky to win sat and lucky to draw at charlton. People saying we dont miss morgan but weve been fortunate recently and our centre mid is poor. A lot of these players arent good enough for a higher level imo. Unlucky to draw at Charlton surely .... we were 1-0 up with four mins left?! No-one has a right to tell Adkins what tactics to play given his impressive record this season. Its one loss away to a side on a very good run and we are still 2nd with a game in hand. We will lose the odd game away to play off contenders you know.
saint lard Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 It's only the usual anti-Adkins co*ks and wrist slitters who aren't. Just because you critisize Adkins that in itself does not make you anti Adkins. Or does that just apply to certain posters when they critisize.
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 What does the attendance have to do with their teams performance?[/quote Means we have more money ffs. Just have a pop at anyone who is dissapointed and frustrated by this result. Happy clapper. Hes not a happy clapper, just someone that realises we remain in an exceptionally strong position and that losing an away game to a play off contender is not a disaster.
saint lard Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 To be fair they played us a two perfect times. The first time we had just sacked Pardew and the second we were clearly fatigued by the recent fixtures. Let's not start using that as an excuse,well not yet anyway,that will be saved for later i'm sure.
saint_stevo Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Someone talk to me about the goals....Kelvin at fault?
red&white56 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 (edited) I'm not unhappy - was expecting to draw at both Orient and Rochdale, so we got 3 points out of these two games rather than the 2 I was expecting. We have no divine right to win even if we have more supporters than Rochdale and Orient put together and or a team that costs more than anyone else in League 1 - if this was the truth then there would be no point in playing games as the outcome of the league would be determined without kicking a ball! Edited 12 April, 2011 by red&white56 typos
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 couldn't see much wrong with the tactics from here OK apart from the fact that "According to the commentary" being narrow allowed 'dale to score two goals. I AGREE with you that the availability of players shouted Diamond, and I would have gone the same way (Guly ain't no winger) Also he DID change it, with a 1st half substitution (may have been forced will have to wait & see) Point is though with no injuries & standard 4-4fecking2 we would have won tonight. Nige did warn us to expect ups and downs, I won't hang him for the selection, but I go with the taters view & their 2 goals that tonight it didn't work
Crab Lungs Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Someone talk to me about the goals....Kelvin at fault? First one was from being exposed on the flanks (f()cking diamond).. .no idea about the 2nd one.
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 A very disappointing result but we earnt a loss after our recent good form so I'm not totally depressed. I think tonight showed why people have reservations about Adkins, a lot of teams play this way against us and we have no answer. Brighton just haven't really had results like this and that is why they are promoted. Behave yourself, we won seven out of eight before tonight using similar team / tactics etc and I'm sure enough of those teams play the way Rochdale did against us. Why all of a sudden should 'people' have reservations about Adkins because we lost a game? According to the stats posted earlier we dominated the game but did not convert tonight and KD chucked one in so that is hardly the fault of a system / tactics really.
bpsaint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Was always going to be a big ask to expect the team to travel all that way on a Tuesday and get a win considering the run of games we've had lately. Still its not all doom and gloom,it remains in our own hands and while i'm disappointed not to have at least a point from tonight a win Saturday would set things right again. In some ways losing might not be that bad a thing, its reminds everyone, players, staff and fans alike, that the promotion race isn't over following the win at Orient, and we shouldn't rest on our laurels, theres still a lot of hard work to do between now and May 7th.
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Right ive thought bout it and its not that bad, however after going to chralton and orient I wasnt very impressed with the performances and thought wed carry it on. I think at home we will win every game but away I worry after those performances. Think jaidi was nakered tonight. Centre mid isnt good tho. If we win our home games Roger, I'm 90% certain we will go up in 2nd otherwise it will likely mean our two rivals have won every game left, which is a big ask under pressure.
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Interesting that the players only got to the ground 15 mins before Kick Off. Sounds like the M6 closure had a big impact on the team as well as many fans from Saints & Chelski, so again, I rescind my minor groan on the match thread about us starting very slowly. Sounds like we did damn well to start at all
Draino76 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Fuming. I have just slit my wrists. The only reason I have put some Kitchen Towel over my wrists is because Mortal Kombat is coming out next week on the PS3.
Rebel Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 One problem - Huddersfield and Peterborough are quite likely to win all of their remaining games - so we need to win all but one of ours now as well!
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 No I thought if it was a boxing match charlton shaded it up there. I feel defensively we have been excellent but feel we need to address centre midfield. We are being bossed a but in that area for me. I'm sure nigel will sort it though and hopefully we will go up. Sorry for getting a bit annoyed earlier just frustration. I've calmed down. I love this club just want us to go up and had hopes for at least a draw!
BTW Saint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Interesting that the players only got to the ground 15 mins before Kick Off. Sounds like the M6 closure had a big impact on the team as well as many fans from Saints & Chelski, so again, I rescind my minor groan on the match thread about us starting very slowly. Sounds like we did damn well to start at all Saints travelled up on Monday and stayed at the Village Hotel in Bury, about 20 minutes west of Dale. They left the hotel at 17.40.
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 And OK fair enough that KD got done at his near post again for the second, but interesting to hear that Harding "did his groin" and as a result got beaten for pace for their 2nd before he could be replaced. So sounds really as if it was one of those nights. Draino - go get some band aids And well spotted DM
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Saints travelled up on Monday and stayed at the Village Hotel in Bury, about 20 minutes west of Dale. They left the hotel at 17.40. Hmm Interesting time to troll Twitter then, see who was right
Ewell Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 As soon as you think it is going to be comfortable then that is when you get bitten on the arse! That could be exactly the wakeup call the players and the fans needed and at just the right time as there are still plenty of points to play for. This is going to be hard and is likely to go to the last day. We can do it but we need a positive reaction on Saturday. COYR
John Boy Saint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 I must have inadvertently found the rational filter in error! Having flicked through all 3 pages the moaners and wrist slitters seem to missing. Most of the posts seem to be quite level headed........................ Like the team we have been knocked on our backsides, so lets dust ourselves down and climb back on. As for Rochdale they have had good momentum for the last 2 seasons, and are on a charge of their own.
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 As soon as you think it is going to be comfortable then that is when you get bitten on the arse! That could be exactly the wakeup call the players and the fans needed and at just the right time as there are still plenty of points to play for. This is going to be hard and is likely to go to the last day. We can do it but we need a positive reaction on Saturday. COYR this
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 That first half was terrible. Second half was much, much better but by then the horse had bolted. Mistakes for both their goals (would have been nice for Kelvin to make an effort to save a looping header, and the second one O'Grady was embarrassed to celebrate) but both came from not hold the ball well enough in midfield. Losing isn't an issue, we've still got a game in hand and much better run-in than Huddersfield, but I don't like the idea of giving other teams encouragement as we'd just about broke the back of what we had to do in terms of making up ground. Would love for Forte to get a start at the weekend now - lad tries his heart out. Oh, and no more diamond ******** please. They just seem to get in each others way and it provides too much width for opposing teams fullbacks. A short-term blip, the bigger picture is still looking very good.
Rebel Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The play-offs are a lottery - and we've never had any luck with them before! We need automatic promotion in second place. I can't see us beating Brighton at the Withdean but hopefully we can squeeze a draw and scrape wins in the rest of our games and we might just make it - otherwise we are going to be relying on goal difference to carry us up!
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 this I see this: Bristol r=3 Brighton=0 Hartlepool=3 brentford=1 Plymouth=3 Walsall=3 13 more points gives us 87! Will that be enough?
BadgerBadger Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 We always play better chasing what is required rather than defending it, this will hopefully be the hiccup that gets us back on track - squeaky bum time
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 No I thought if it was a boxing match charlton shaded it up there. I feel defensively we have been excellent but feel we need to address centre midfield. We are being bossed a but in that area for me. I'm sure nigel will sort it though and hopefully we will go up. Sorry for getting a bit annoyed earlier just frustration. I've calmed down. I love this club just want us to go up and had hopes for at least a draw! Fair play buddy, were still in a fantastic position and all at the club are doing a great job. Keep the faith.
Jimmy_D Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Aww dammit, winning tonight would have been like the difference between a two goal lead and a one goal lead. Still, we're second in the table, with a game in hand, and a slightly easier run in than Huddersfield. Still confident.
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The play-offs are a lottery - and we've never had any luck with them before! We need automatic promotion in second place. I can't see us beating Brighton at the Withdean but hopefully we can squeeze a draw and scrape wins in the rest of our games and we might just make it - otherwise we are going to be relying on goal difference to carry us up! Why, don't you think P'boro and H'field are capable of losing / drawing under pressure as well?
sad saints fan Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 We seem to lose 1 league game each month since NA took over,the exception being February where we drew 2. So hopefully that is this months done and dusted.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 We were not bossed in central midfield tonight. There was a lack of understanding and structure, and that was not down to the ability of players. In fact I thought we dominated in the air in all areas of the pitch. In the second half when we went 4-4-2 for a period the passing was crisper and players seemed more comfortable with what was expected of them. Guly is a frustrating player, the players would visibly show this as well. He is trying too hard and attempting silly flicks and turns when he is a much more effective player when he moves the ball quickly. Plenty of areas for improvement but I am not moaning - the end is in sight and the second half performance means we should not have a hangover from this game going into Saturday. Lets start positively and decisively and put the game to bed early.
PokingFun Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 I see this: Bristol r=3 Brighton=0 Hartlepool=3 brentford=1 Plymouth=3 Walsall=3 13 more points gives us 87! Will that be enough? If its not then you will simply have to congratulate one of the other two as they will have had to win all their remaining games by my reckoning. In fact, if we get 87, only H'field can beat us with a 100% record and with their run in thats not likely.
saints-cris Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Not too devastated as i was only expecting a point (as tragic as that may be) The win against Orient gave us room to slip up here.. but we cant make a habit of that. We clearly created chances, had plenty of corners, but it wasnt to be. We move on.. and get 3 points against Brizzle. Annoying that the diamond that obviously isnt too popular cost us the game.. but we really did everything we could to get back in it, hey ho. Wrist slitting isnt needed, we can still do this.
MongoNeil Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Someone talk to me about the goals....Kelvin at fault? definitely the first one, not sure about the second.
Saint_Jonny Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Just back myself. Got stuck in traffic on the m62, took me three times as long to get home. The game was a shambles. We never really looked a dynamic or potent threat going forward, whilst Rochdale looked great everytime they countered. Gary Jones is the ugliest looking footballer ive ever seen. Like a sort of giant down syndrome baby waddling about the pitch. Davis - 5 - First goal he just stood there and did nothing. Ran out of his box twice like a headless chicken and almost got caught out. Kept it at 0-0 for slightly longer with a wonderful stop. Harding - 6 - Solid whilst still on the pitch. Did get turned easily. Fonte - 6 - Got beaten all hands up before davis made a wonderful save. Jaidi - 7 - Solid. Think he went off cos' he was tired though? Looked knackered Dickson - 6 - Not the attacking winger I heard about on Saturday. Ran into dead ends and sent in ****e crosses. Richardson 7 - Didn't do too bad. Stephens - 5 - Contributed very little. Put a number of passes a'stray. Hammond - 6 - Ran hard but the rest of the midfield didn't look as bothered. Guly - 5 - Just bad. Looks lethargic and uninterested. Game was crying out for someone with pace and skill to go past people. Dont let him take corner kicks BECAUSE HE DOESNT KNOW HOW!!! Barnard - 6 - drew loads of fouls....errr no they werent given. Kicked all night. **** service. Lambert - 5 - Poor. Lots of layoffs that didnt find the target Forte - 7 - Flew past a couple players, had a good shot. Looked exciting. Should have started the game instead of Guly IMO. Lallana - 6 - You could tell he wasnt going to ovber exert himself. Dont put him on the bench if hes not ready. First time i've had the "pleasure" of seeing saints since the 6-0 away win at Oldham. Is this really the team sat in 2nd place? We looked clueless going forward. The sooner Lallana is 100% and can start games the better. Anyone else see the guy in the red saints baseball cap shouting abuse at the saints players for the entire game? He got into and argument with someone eventually. Someone should have knocked the idiot out!
BTW Saint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Rochdale were up for the game and started well. Evening was bright, cold wind. Pich seemed a little rucked and some water was applied before the game. Saints seemed uneasy and casual in the first half, not firing on all cylinders, similar to some recent home performances (MK, first half). First goal, Kelvin could have done more. Dale keeper made a few good saves. Dale also had other chances. Second goal was disapointing, Saints looking for a free kick just before, break away. Two nill down. Davies possibly could have done more again. Forte on, without immediate impact required before Half time came. Second half much better although still failed to get ball forward, however could not get the break we deserved, felt midfield passes were too often wayward. Some good runs in by Lambert and Hammond. More frustrating saves and punches from Dale keeper, just felt this was'nt going to be Saints night. Found lack of running by Forte frustrating for a spell, however he came into it more later on. Being 2, up then Dale have more men behind the ball and it seemed without another idea or a lucky break that getting a goal back was not not going to happen. This is one of those games we could have Won, like Walsall away, where we played quite well however could not apply the finisihing touch. One goal back and confidence would have been restored. Lallana had a positive impact and looks fit for Saturday. Progamme was from the 19th February with printed inset for Manager and Captains comments! Good saints contingent tonight, along one side of stadium. Must have been over 1,000, with fluctating noises arising from frustration. 4 nil on aggregate is a very nasty statistic and a contrast to the previous visit to Lancashire and that 6 nil at Oldham. Lets just move on.
Hedgehog Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Just hope Chamberlin is going to be fit very soon,definately miss having LLana and Chamberlin on the wings, swapping during the course of a game, causing all sorts of problems with their pace.
SuperMikey Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 To those trashing the diamond - who are we going to play wide? Dickson, a half-fit Lallana and.....erm....Guly? Forte? Neither of them are wingers - hell, Lallana is a converted winger and Dickson is a left-back. The diamond has and does work against teams who play with less width, but it seems that Rochdale exploited that flaw in the formation this evening. We're having to change the formation to suit the players we've got available. Bar Brighton, this was the toughest game we've got next. No disrespect to Brizzle Rovers, but the form they're in and the fact that we're at home means that we should really be looking to wallop them on Saturday. COYR!
STEVEADAMS Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Regroup and refocus. This result hopefully just-rids us of any potential complacency that may have been creeping in. Sat we must get back on track. COYS.
pap Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Just back. Bit of a frustrating game. Lots of passes went astray. Lots of little mistakes contributing to the overall failure. Rochdale were not a great side. They had a plan to put bodies behind the ball and smack us on the counter. The number of blocked shots was pretty impressive. Their keeper also played well. On a different night, we might have come away with something more. Tonight, things didn't go so well. The positives for Saints were that we still looked like a capable side despite the injury list. We had a lot of half-chances, most of those created from a bit of grit and effort. The negatives? Team blend is a bit worrying, with Guly probably being the prime culprit. There was a five minute spell where it seemed every Saints touch resulted in a Rochdale interception. Fair play to Rochdale, they had a plan and they executed it well, but they weren't pretty and they definitely didn't play us off the park. Probably not a bad thing to have a loss. We can just about spare it, and if the team can learn from the mistakes made tonight, we're still in good shape for automatic promotion.
K,Billy's supersound Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 not suprised or overly upset with this result. hope it gives everyone a little wake up, although we are second we now have work even harder to stay there.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Are we starting to see a bit of a trend with our Nige? Seems to me that there are quite a few games that we start poorly and he then has to change things around. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't, but he also says quite categorically that there is a lot preparation prior to the game where the opposing team is studied. It's clearly what a Manager and his coaching staff SHOULD do - so is Nige getting something very wrong? Is he underestimating the opposition Managers ability to study US and come up with tactics that nullify our approach? Is it because this un-remarkable Rochdale manager has the measure of our Nige after spending time with him doing his pro-licence? Not saying we've got a bad manager or anything like that - but there are some minor cracks starting to show IMO.
SaintNeil90 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Rochdale were up for the game and started well. Evening was bright, cold wind. Pich seemed a little rucked and some water was applied before the game. Saints seemed uneasy and casual in the first half, not firing on all cylinders, similar to some recent home performances (MK, first half). First goal, Kelvin could have done more. Dale keeper made a few good saves. Dale also had other chances. Second goal was disapointing, Saints looking for a free kick just before, break away. Two nill down. Davies possibly could have done more again. Forte on, without immediate impact required before Half time came. Second half much better although still failed to get ball forward, however could not get the break we deserved, felt midfield passes were too often wayward. Some good runs in by Lambert and Hammond. More frustrating saves and punches from Dale keeper, just felt this was'nt going to be Saints night. Found lack of running by Forte frustrating for a spell, however he came into it more later on. Being 2, up then Dale have more men behind the ball and it seemed without another idea or a lucky break that getting a goal back was not not going to happen. This is one of those games we could have Won, like Walsall away, where we played quite well however could not apply the finisihing touch. One goal back and confidence would have been restored. Lallana had a positive impact and looks fit for Saturday. Progamme was from the 19th February with printed inset for Manager and Captains comments! Good saints contingent tonight, along one side of stadium. Must have been over 1,000, with fluctating noises arising from frustration. 4 nil on aggregate is a very nasty statistic and a contrast to the previous visit to Lancashire and that 6 nil at Oldham. Lets just move on. He wont be fully fit. He was completely pulling out of tackles.
rick1976.4.38 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 if we have to make do with the play offs lets hope we dont meet rochdale
Professor Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 On the Solent commentary, Dave Merrington was pointing out the weakness being created by the midfield format and predicting that Rochdale would benefit from it well before they scored the first goal. After the same problem last week of lack of width and pressure on the FBs it is a shame that NA seems not to have learned the lesson. Its not as if we don't have wide players and the change was made, but by then it was too late.
The Cat Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Frustrating. Rochdale closed us down well and mopped up a lot of balls in midfield. We seemed disjointed in the first half, much stronger in the second. Ridiculous traffic on the way up, ended up doing a tour of posh Cheshire villages to avoid the M6. Walking back to the car chatting to a few Rochdale fans, they said we were the best team they've played at home this season.
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Frustrating game to go to, especially after ludacris traffic. Couldn't help but laugh at Guly's spooned shot and the misfortune we had at times. We'll go up still.
alpine_saint Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 I see this: Bristol r=3 Brighton=0 Hartlepool=3 brentford=1 Plymouth=3 Walsall=3 13 more points gives us 87! Will that be enough? Almost definitely In faact, I have realised that I wasnt able to see past the Rochdale game and thought our run-in looked v. tough. Now we are on the other side of the Rochdale game, despite losing, my optimism has increased. But there is no space for other slip-ups, NA. You have to get your tactics and team spot-on from now on....
locks heath saint 2 Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Guy in the red cap didnt like davis too much. He started getting upset with some brummy saints who had the right idea, making the most out of an evening that just wasnt going our way. Thats football move on. COYR
teamsaint Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 on the upside..we would have settled for where we are now at almost any point this season. on the down side, we are clearly a team carrying knocks everywhere..badly need to beat rovers and get a week of recovery time. Away defeats are part of football..the results, if not the performances , of the last 10 games are just fine. all WE can do is turn out in big numbers on Sat and give the team huge support.
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