Australian burqa incident

[Wurzel]

Yes, she did. She was in the wrong. But that does not mean that all Muslims are in the wrong or that Islam is a bad religion or anything else that people with agendas wish to claim.

 

But there was absolutely nothing in the original post to indicate that. As is so often the case with stories like this on here and elsewhere it is comments made by yourselves and other posters defending that point that totally overlooks the fact that that point was never made in the first place.

 

Only 3 posts a day so I win

[Verbal]

What?! No-one on this thread has broken any rules? In that case, remove the sticky that talks baout "suggested, implied or blatant" racism because it's meaningless. If you can't see any implied racism on this thread then there's something wrong with you.

 

You've used that argument about weeding out gullibles from free thinkers before and have previously also stated that racists do more harm to themselves and their argument than anythign else. This is nonsense. The evidence that it's nonsense is (1) look how many anti Islamic threads you have on this site - there's loads because people feel they can say anti Islamic stuff here and be backed up by others who think the same. You are in danger of allowing this place to become the playground of racists and people with agendas which most decent folk would consider offensive (2) when one idiot sees another idiot posting racist and anti Islamic stuff they feel vindicated and justified in holding their own stupid and offensive opinions. People are using this site to spread anti Islmaic feeling and you are allowing that to happen.

 

Agreed. Except for the bit about 'in danger'. This site has crossed the line already on a number of occasions (eg the decisions to allow BNP and EDL propaganda to be posted verbatim). There is a particularly ugly strain of hate on this site, which is little more than white rage dressed up as outrage against religion.

[dune]

Agreed. Except for the bit about 'in danger'. This site has crossed the line already on a number of occasions (eg the decisions to allow BNP and EDL propaganda to be posted verbatim). There is a particularly ugly strain of hate on this site, which is little more than white rage dressed up as outrage against religion.

 

Is it acceptable to post Liberal Democrat and UAF propaganda?

[hypochondriac]

some evidence that you are wrong. And calling someone a retard is against the rules of the board - remember when you said people should follow the simple rules. i have reported your remark because i am sure you understand the need for rules to be followed (well, you seemed to understand when it was me who broke the rules)

 

lmfao.

[Huntingdon]

Agreed. Except for the bit about 'in danger'. This site has crossed the line already on a number of occasions (eg the decisions to allow BNP and EDL propaganda to be posted verbatim). There is a particularly ugly strain of hate on this site, which is little more than white rage dressed up as outrage against religion.

 

This site is no different to many other forums. We are a cross section of society, binded together by the fact we support Saints. 'The ugly strain of hate on this site' is simply representative of how a section of the UK population feels. This section is growing and becoming more vocal and significant

[dune]

lmfao.

 

Are you Deppo, Are you Deppo, Are you Deppo in disguise?

[hypochondriac]

Are you Deppo, Are you Deppo, Are you Deppo in disguise?

 

Stating a falsehood. That's an infractionable offence. Deppo will be on you so be careful.

[Barry the Badger]

I am a Christian and I have no complaints about this thread.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?29439-UK-Christian-Child-Abuse-incident

 

That's strange because looking through your post history I see a number of threads you've started relating to crimes commited by Muslims, but you don't seem to have ever started one about Christians.

 

Interesting given that all you are trying to do is bring issues out into the open without any prejudice whatsoever.

[Weston Super Saint]

Some evidence that you are wrong. And calling someone a retard is against the rules of the board - remember when you said people should follow the simple rules. I have reported your remark because I am sure you understand the need for rules to be followed (well, you seemed to understand when it was me who broke the rules)

 

Phew, luckily those running the forum don't appear to agree with you

 

Also, I assume that you've reported your alter ego Atticus Finch's post as well. Wouldn't want a potential rule infringement to go unnoticed would we

[Viking Warrior]

This may seem a bit odd but Mulim is really about relegion. There are lots of westerners. chinese, white folk and jewish folk who also become muslims. It is not about where you are born but more to do with your faith. Like wise. muslims change there faith as well

For all we may no the buqa lady could well be australian or even british

[Micky]

I have no idea if my views are racist - this thread I find somewhat confusing.

 

What I don't find confusing is that a Police Officer requested that a woman identify herself and she failed to do so, as a result she found herself in front of a judge - good. Racism, don't know - but, thank god, 'common sence' prevailed.

 

I freqently travel, am often asked to identify myself to customs and excise officers, security staff and occasionally police officers, and I do so - every time. What is the difference between me and this lady?

[Verbal]

I have no idea if my views are racist - this thread I find somewhat confusing.

 

What I don't find confusing is that a Police Officer requested that a woman identify herself and she failed to do so, as a result she found herself in front of a judge - good. Racism, don't know - but, thank god, 'common sence' prevailed.

 

I freqently travel, am often asked to identify myself to customs and excise officers, security staff and occasionally police officers, and I do so - every time. What is the difference between me and this lady?

 

If you wear a niqab, none.

[miserableoldgit]

I am confused. Firstly I see the word "racist" being tossed around on this thread. What race are Muslims, please? Secondly, how is it correct to call people who disagree with your point of view, what ever it is, "retards". I see a fair amount of "pot/kettle/black" there.

[Thedelldays]

if a copper asks you to identify yourself in a reasonable manner within the laws of the land...then you should do so..be it christian, muslim, hindu.....and no matter what you wear...

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

But there was absolutely nothing in the original post to indicate that. As is so often the case with stories like this on here and elsewhere it is comments made by yourselves and other posters defending that point that totally overlooks the fact that that point was never made in the first place.

 

Only 3 posts a day so I win

 

There are an increasing number of threads on this forum which attempt to portray Islam/Muslims negatively. Take one thread individually and a point can be made that it is only comment on a particular instance, a whole number of threads points to something more pervasive.

[Thedelldays]

There are an increasing number of threads on this forum which attempt to portray Islam/Muslims negatively. Take one thread individually and a point can be made that it is only comment on a particular instance, a whole number of threads points to something more pervasive.

and there are a whole number of posts/threads that are liberal beyond belief....take our resident self confessed left wing extremist..!!!

[Micky]

If you wear a niqab, none.

 

I don't, but I might choose to, and if I did - I would still comply.

[Verbal]

I don't, but I might choose to, and if I did - I would still comply.

 

Then you'd be in the vast majority of niqab enthusiasts.

[Huffton]

Strange that no one screams about the blatant racism in the Pompey takeover thread:lol:

[Huffton]

I am confused. Firstly I see the word "racist" being tossed around on this thread. What race are Muslims, please? Secondly, how is it correct to call people who disagree with your point of view, what ever it is, "retards". I see a fair amount of "pot/kettle/black" there.

 

Glad its not just me to notice that.

[Micky]

Then you'd be in the vast majority of niqab enthusiasts.

 

I just find it all so confusing. The officer asks a polite question and is accused of racism by the woman - call me simplistic, but I can only see the woman as being in the wrong. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs, it is just borne of, what I term, common sence.

 

I am quite happy for people to term my stance as racist if they so wish - but if that be the case, it is purely by virtue of what I believe to be 'right and wrong'.

[View From The Top]

I just find it all so confusing. The officer asks a polite question and is accused of racism by the woman - call me simplistic, but I can only see the woman as being in the wrong. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs, it is just borne of, what I term, common sence.

 

I am quite happy for people to term my stance as racist if they so wish - but if that be the case, it is purely by virtue of what I believe to be 'right and wrong'.

 

She was in the wrong, everyone is agreed on that.

[Micky]

She was in the wrong, everyone is agreed on that.

 

Good. Why are we discussing racism?

[Verbal]

I just find it all so confusing. The officer asks a polite question and is accused of racism by the woman - call me simplistic, but I can only see the woman as being in the wrong. It has nothing to do with my religious beliefs, it is just borne of, what I term, common sence.

 

I am quite happy for people to term my stance as racist if they so wish - but if that be the case, it is purely by virtue of what I believe to be 'right and wrong'.

 

Of course she's in the wrong. She's an idiot for behaving the way she did. All of which has nothing to do with Dune trawling google for every illustration he can possibly find to show 'Muslims' in a bad light and put them up here as threads. Such are the cumulative actions of a committed and obsessive racist. Her actions have nothing to do with being a Muslim as such, but are grist to the mills of the self-righteous, 'I told you so' fanatics. It's the broader equation dune is going for: Muslims = brown people = figures of hate. This is not about you, Micky, or anyone who objects to her silliness; it's about a repugnant little englander much closer (sadly) to home.

[Thedelldays]

little englander...

 

is that a racist comment..?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Of course she's in the wrong. She's an idiot for behaving the way she did. All of which has nothing to do with Dune trawling google for every illustration he can possibly find to show 'Muslims' in a bad light and put them up here as threads. Such are the cumulative actions of a committed and obsessive racist. Her actions have nothing to do with being a Muslim as such, but are grist to the mills of the self-righteous, 'I told you so' fanatics. It's the broader equation dune is going for: Muslims = brown people = figures of hate. This is not about you, Micky, or anyone who objects to her silliness; it's about a repugnant little englander much closer (sadly) to home.

 

This. About our little englander. In bucketfulls.

 

We know the woman* was in the wrong. Not ALL Muslim women**.

 

* Singular

 

** Plural

 

What is the rule about blatant or implied racism?

[Micky]

Of course she's in the wrong. She's an idiot for behaving the way she did. All of which has nothing to do with Dune trawling google for every illustration he can possibly find to show 'Muslims' in a bad light and put them up here as threads. Such are the cumulative actions of a committed and obsessive racist. Her actions have nothing to do with being a Muslim as such, but are grist to the mills of the self-righteous, 'I told you so' fanatics. It's the broader equation dune is going for: Muslims = brown people = figures of hate. This is not about you, Micky, or anyone who objects to her silliness; it's about a repugnant little englander much closer (sadly) to home.

 

Sincerely - thanks for that. It explains things a lot clearer.

[Huffton]

little englander...

 

is that a racist comment..?

 

Depends if Verbal is also a 'little englander'

 

 

 

 

Pronunciation:/ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/

noun

[mass noun]

 

*

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

*

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:a programme to combat racism

 

Of course it could easily be heightist...

[View From The Top]

little englander...

 

is that a racist comment..?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Englander

 

Little Englander is a term now applied to English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being ignorant and boorish. It is frequently applied to those who are against membership of the European Union. English people who mistakenly refer to the whole of the UK or Britain as "England", or who routinely fail to give the opinions of non-English British citizens any importance, may also be called "Little Englanders". Both of these usages are controversial.

[Thedelldays]

so, its ok to use the place someone is from in a derogatory way if they are white, male and live in the UK...?

[View From The Top]

so, its ok to use the place someone is from in a derogatory way if they are white, male and live in the UK...?

 

Whooooooooooosh

[Goalie66]

France nearly elected Jean-Marie Le Pen a decade ago, and his daughter is currently a close second in the polls as the new leader of Le Front National. Thankfully, Britain isn't quite that right-wing yet, so I highly doubt we'll see anything similar to the burka/niqab ban that's been passed across the channel.

 

The woman in the OP was obviously in a tricky situation, does she go against her religious/cultural beliefs and remove her burka or go against Australian law and disobey the instructions of a police officer? There's all kinds of different obligations in a situation like that..

 

NO it is very simple. If you live in a country where the State is elected then you abide by the rules of that State. If you want to live in a state where state and religion are one ..go live there.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

and there are a whole number of posts/threads that are liberal beyond belief....take our resident self confessed left wing extremist..!!!

 

Sorry, do you mean liberal or left-wing? Not sure what you're point is, are you saying it's OK to be anti-muslim just because someone else has a different opinion?

[StDunko]

Of course she's in the wrong. She's an idiot for behaving the way she did. All of which has nothing to do with Dune trawling google for every illustration he can possibly find to show 'Muslims' in a bad light and put them up here as threads. Such are the cumulative actions of a committed and obsessive racist. Her actions have nothing to do with being a Muslim as such, but are grist to the mills of the self-righteous, 'I told you so' fanatics. It's the broader equation dune is going for: Muslims = brown people = figures of hate. This is not about you, Micky, or anyone who objects to her silliness; it's about a repugnant little englander much closer (sadly) to home.

 

This

[Smirking_Saint]

Islam isn't the issue, it's the extremist interpretations of it which cause issues, just like religious extremism always has and will do.

 

This.

 

In my opinion you have the right to carry whatever views that you so desire (within reason), so long as you do not attempt to impose that on anyone else. Wearing the Burka/Hijab whatever it is should not be banned nor should it be embraced the way some do either. It is a personal choice and one that we should all be free to choose.

 

Personally speaking I believe it does stifle integration into society, however it has to be said it is into a society within which 90% do not understand the differences both culturally and morally between differing religions. You will always get this though, you get tribalism within any sort of group, it is a scientific fact that as humans we are somewhat scared of anything not the norm.

 

I do however have to say I find it highly hypocritical that some members of other religions are so quick to judge western society on being judgemental and not helpful in integrating differing cultures when specifically the muslim culture is so tribal and rigid, it is true that in reality they would not offer other religions the hospitality that they get in western society. I also believe that what the French have done is wrong on a moral level as well as dangerous, if anything is going to attract more extremism it is the law they have passed today.

 

I also find it quite amusing that people on here are so scared of discussing anything that borders on the politically incorrect (a useless term made up by those in the ivory towers to look down on 90% of the rest of the community IMHO) and so any time anyone posts a criticism of any other culture, religion, sex etc you are then automatically a bigot !

 

That said, I do agree some of the crap posted is miles OTT at times.

[Barney Trubble]

This.

 

In my opinion you have the right to carry whatever views that you so desire (within reason), so long as you do not attempt to impose that on anyone else. Wearing the Burka/Hijab whatever it is should not be banned nor should it be embraced the way some do either. It is a personal choice and one that we should all be free to choose.

 

Personally speaking I believe it does stifle integration into society, however it has to be said it is into a society within which 90% do not understand the differences both culturally and morally between differing religions. You will always get this though, you get tribalism within any sort of group, it is a scientific fact that as humans we are somewhat scared of anything not the norm.

 

I do however have to say I find it highly hypocritical that some members of other religions are so quick to judge western society on being judgemental and not helpful in integrating differing cultures when specifically the muslim culture is so tribal and rigid, it is true that in reality they would not offer other religions the hospitality that they get in western society. I also believe that what the French have done is wrong on a moral level as well as dangerous, if anything is going to attract more extremism it is the law they have passed today.

 

I also find it quite amusing that people on here are so scared of discussing anything that borders on the politically incorrect (a useless term made up by those in the ivory towers to look down on 90% of the rest of the community IMHO) and so any time anyone posts a criticism of any other culture, religion, sex etc you are then automatically a bigot !

 

That said, I do agree some of the crap posted is miles OTT at times.

 

This is where it all goes a thousand shades of grey. A lot of people understand the differences. However, last year I was undertaking an ESOL class, there was a broad church of students with Poles, Pakistanis, Somalians, Indians etc all attending. I was then called into the managers to advise that I might have to move to another class as a complaint had been made from one Muslim student that I was a male and that she and her friends would not be attending again as they want a female teacher. This was because she could not remove the Burka in my presence.

 

Now, you can see where people get really frustrated with it all as the lack of integration is self-imposed and yet the service is laid on, free of charge, to non-English language speakers. The complaint wasn't against my professionalism, the lady was very complimentary but she left the class because I was male. I managed to get her friends to stay on as I felt it was in my best interests to ensure high attendance figures but it was very disappointing.

[the stain]

This. About our little englander. In bucketfulls.

 

We know the woman* was in the wrong. Not ALL Muslim women**.

 

* Singular

 

** Plural

 

What is the rule about blatant or implied racism?

 

Bless you, ESB.

[Jonnyboy]

This is where it all goes a thousand shades of grey. A lot of people understand the differences. However, last year I was undertaking an ESOL class, there was a broad church of students with Poles, Pakistanis, Somalians, Indians etc all attending. I was then called into the managers to advise that I might have to move to another class as a complaint had been made from one Muslim student that I was a male and that she and her friends would not be attending again as they want a female teacher. This was because she could not remove the Burka in my presence.

 

Now, you can see where people get really frustrated with it all as the lack of integration is self-imposed and yet the service is laid on, free of charge, to non-English language speakers. The complaint wasn't against my professionalism, the lady was very complimentary but she left the class because I was male. I managed to get her friends to stay on as I felt it was in my best interests to ensure high attendance figures but it was very disappointing.

 

She was in love with you so badly she couldnt stand to be in tha smae room as you and before that the burkha had hid her blushes hth.

[dubai_phil]

if a copper asks you to identify yourself in a reasonable manner within the laws of the land...then you should do so..be it christian, muslim, hindu.....and no matter what you wear...

 

Yawn....

 

In the Middle East, Westerners are asked to RESPECT the culture of the country they are in. So in Saudi, western women wear veils and follow the rules. in Dubai etc the "ex pat" western women follow the rules out of respect as much as the implied threat of being asked to leave a shopping mall.

 

Tourists - who by sheer lack of any research come across as ignorant "Non Muslim" foreigners do not show respect and end up getting into trouble.

 

The ISSUE is very simple, show RESPECT. Many muslims travel to the West and respect the way of life and institutions, a few idiots try to change them - they SHOULD have been thrown out years ago as would happen down here. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way the "Race Relations" industry forgot about teaching people to respect each others Cultures.

 

Forgetting the "racism" claims of the Woman in the report, what she IS guilty of in the eyes of many is a lack of RESPECT. She is in a foreign country in a foreign culture that has tried to welcome her. Being stopped by the Police in ANY culture means you REALLY need to show RESPECT.

 

So, she is simply a total moron, and that is what many Muslim friends of mine here think of her as well

 

Now IF only someone somewhere had taught Respect, understanding on BOTH sides 50 or so years ago life would be much easier.

 

TDD I yawned because the Voice of Reason you posted just gets lost in the mess.

 

Australia is Australia, not fecking Yemen or Saudi, you are there do your thing but respect teh law and the culture (hahahaha) of the place.

UAE is UAE, we do our thing but respect the law and the Culture here

 

Say that about the Uk you end up labelled an EDL member which is just wrong

[the stain]

Yawn....

 

In the Middle East, Westerners are asked to RESPECT the culture of the country they are in. So in Saudi, western women wear veils and follow the rules. in Dubai etc the "ex pat" western women follow the rules out of respect as much as the implied threat of being asked to leave a shopping mall.

 

Tourists - who by sheer lack of any research come across as ignorant "Non Muslim" foreigners do not show respect and end up getting into trouble.

 

The ISSUE is very simple, show RESPECT. Many muslims travel to the West and respect the way of life and institutions, a few idiots try to change them - they SHOULD have been thrown out years ago as would happen down here. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way the "Race Relations" industry forgot about teaching people to respect each others Cultures.

 

Forgetting the "racism" claims of the Woman in the report, what she IS guilty of in the eyes of many is a lack of RESPECT. She is in a foreign country in a foreign culture that has tried to welcome her. Being stopped by the Police in ANY culture means you REALLY need to show RESPECT.

 

So, she is simply a total moron, and that is what many Muslim friends of mine here think of her as well

 

Now IF only someone somewhere had taught Respect, understanding on BOTH sides 50 or so years ago life would be much easier.

 

TDD I yawned because the Voice of Reason you posted just gets lost in the mess.

 

Australia is Australia, not fecking Yemen or Saudi, you are there do your thing but respect teh law and the culture (hahahaha) of the place.

UAE is UAE, we do our thing but respect the law and the Culture here

 

Say that about the Uk you end up labelled an EDL member which is just wrong

 

DP, nobody, but nobody, is saying that she was right (except SuperMikey, and he admitted his mistake). Only that the raising of this minor Australian news story on a British website, in the context of many other 'look what those bloody muslims are up to again' threads, is at best irresponsible. And that the OP, far from lamenting the fact that this story does muslims no favours, is in fact parading her crime in front of an audience who would never otherwise have seen it for no better reason than to wring hands over the stupidity of a muslim. "Look at the muslim; why is the muslim so stupid?"

 

That's at best shortsighted on the part of the OP.

[dubai_phil]

DP, nobody, but nobody, is saying that she was right (except SuperMikey, and he admitted his mistake). Only that the raising of this minor Australian news story on a British website, in the context of many other 'look what those bloody muslims are up to again' threads, is at best irresponsible. And that the OP, far from lamenting the fact that this story does muslims no favours, is in fact parading her crime in front of an audience who would never otherwise have seen it for no better reason than to wring hands over the stupidity of a muslim. "Look at the muslim; why is the muslim so stupid?"

 

That's at best shortsighted on the part of the OP.

 

That's the problem again in Britland. It's an angle that can be used that exploits attention seekers

 

Yeah but the stupidy she showed was born out of a lack of respect, (as well as intelligence by the look of things) I'd bet a pint of VB Bitter that Aussie regs are such that she could have made the copper's life miserable by demanding he called out a female cop, hence turning it into a Sexist issue. But it paints the lack of respect (ie understanding) problem so well from her "point of view" for a change (ie makes a change from sex on the beach stories)

[the stain]

That's the problem again in Britland. It's an angle that can be used that exploits attention seekers

 

Yeah but the stupidy she showed was born out of a lack of respect, (as well as intelligence by the look of things) I'd bet a pint of VB Bitter that Aussie regs are such that she could have made the copper's life miserable by demanding he called out a female cop, hence turning it into a Sexist issue. But it paints the lack of respect (ie understanding) problem so well from her "point of view" for a change (ie makes a change from sex on the beach stories)

 

Yes, but it's just one person's wrongdoing and doesn't need any further reportage. This conversation is bound to tend toward generalisation, where generalisation is exactly inappropriate.

[Smirking_Saint]

The Stain.

 

This is exactly what i was talking about, we shouldn't have any form of censorship, be it pro or against any religion within reason. This thread doesn't really have such a large racist undertone as a couple of threads we have seen start lately TBF (and those in question were rightly closed). It is frustrating that so many people these days are so quick to shy away from any sort of discussion that could be construed as non-politically correct, and that is wrong IMO.

 

Everyone has opinions, as long as they are not bordering on extremism then everyone should be entitled to it. Everyone will be prejudiced about something/someone at any one time, it is just the norm I am afraid, even if it against Audi drivers or bloody estate agents.

[miserableoldgit]

DP, nobody, but nobody, is saying that she was right (except SuperMikey, and he admitted his mistake). Only that the raising of this minor Australian news story on a British website, in the context of many other 'look what those bloody muslims are up to again' threads, is at best irresponsible. And that the OP, far from lamenting the fact that this story does muslims no favours, is in fact parading her crime in front of an audience who would never otherwise have seen it for no better reason than to wring hands over the stupidity of a muslim. "Look at the muslim; why is the muslim so stupid?"

 

That's at best shortsighted on the part of the OP.

But surely, with the news coverage of the French ban on the burqa (and other religious "items") coming into force yesterday, it at least makes the original post topical and relevant and of interest doesn`t it?

[niceandfriendly]

Religion.

[holepuncture]

Religion.

 

indeed!

 

what about criminals (of any race/religion) dressing up in burkas/hijabs for the use of say - a bank robbery?

 

Motorbike helmets are to be taken off at petrol stations (well should be!) banks etc, hoodies are banned from shopping centres due to theft and the hiding of the face.

 

What is there to stop a man of slim build about 5'8 tall whacking one on to commit a crime? Sorry, thats discrimination under the new EU ruling 'shelias wheels'...

 

What is there to stop a male or female person of slim build about 5'8 tall whacking one on to commit a crime?

 

Potentially, it would make a stunning disguise in our tolerant society which accepts peoples right to wear this type of kit. People get very uncomfortable seeing people in balaclavas and skiing masks, but the burqa would be alright patiently queing up in a post office, before getting to the counter and making the heist.

 

Assuming the heist was successful, identification would be impossible, cctv would be useless, evidence would be nil. you could even have some getaway/disuise clothes on underneath!

 

Is this a problem, or could it become a problem?

 

I would feel very uncomfortable and unsafe if I were to get on a train or a bus that had somebody wearing a head to toe burka, after the hostilities caused by 7/7, its most likely I would get straight back off. Mind you, im not sure if I would react differently if someone was wearing a giant gorilla costume, or full set of bike leathers and a dark visored helmet. As silly as it sounds, I would feel safer sat in a carridge with someone dressed head to toe in a giant gorilla costume, than one of the hardcore 'afgan' style burgas (only just though!). Is that social conditioning?

 

The great train robbery MKII - but this time, nobody gets seen!

 

Purely hypothetical.

[Barney Trubble]

Religion.

 

Post of the month. It's divisive by it's very nature.

 

Napolean Bonaparte made the best quote regarding religion, so true.

[Jones91]

indeed!

 

what about criminals (of any race/religion) dressing up in burkas/hijabs for the use of say - a bank robbery?

 

Motorbike helmets are to be taken off at petrol stations (well should be!) banks etc, hoodies are banned from shopping centres due to theft and the hiding of the face.

 

What is there to stop a man of slim build about 5'8 tall whacking one on to commit a crime? Sorry, thats discrimination under the new EU ruling 'shelias wheels'...

 

What is there to stop a male or female person of slim build about 5'8 tall whacking one on to commit a crime?

 

Potentially, it would make a stunning disguise in our tolerant society which accepts peoples right to wear this type of kit. People get very uncomfortable seeing people in balaclavas and skiing masks, but the burqa would be alright patiently queing up in a post office, before getting to the counter and making the heist.

 

Assuming the heist was successful, identification would be impossible, cctv would be useless, evidence would be nil. you could even have some getaway/disuise clothes on underneath!

 

Is this a problem, or could it become a problem?

 

I would feel very uncomfortable and unsafe if I were to get on a train or a bus that had somebody wearing a head to toe burka, after the hostilities caused by 7/7, its most likely I would get straight back off. Mind you, im not sure if I would react differently if someone was wearing a giant gorilla costume, or full set of bike leathers and a dark visored helmet. As silly as it sounds, I would feel safer sat in a carridge with someone dressed head to toe in a giant gorilla costume, than one of the hardcore 'afgan' style burgas (only just though!). Is that social conditioning?

 

The great train robbery MKII - but this time, nobody gets seen!

 

Purely hypothetical.

 

I think our Yoof firm should wear Burkas while they still can, it shouldn't be a problem in St Mary's area.

 

But seriously, I do believe the main reason why the women are made to cover themselves up is so their 'man/owner' can hide the fact shes fugly and tell all his mates shes a fitty.

[suewhistle]

DP, nobody, but nobody, is saying that she was right (except SuperMikey, and he admitted his mistake). Only that the raising of this minor Australian news story on a British website, in the context of many other 'look what those bloody muslims are up to again' threads, is at best irresponsible. And that the OP, far from lamenting the fact that this story does muslims no favours, is in fact parading her crime in front of an audience who would never otherwise have seen it for no better reason than to wring hands over the stupidity of a muslim. "Look at the muslim; why is the muslim so stupid?"

 

That's at best shortsighted on the part of the OP.

 

That's very generous of you - "shortsighted" is not the word I'd have chosen. Dune seems to spend his life worrying about these things, poor thing.

 

The burqa isn't an obligation for muslim women, it's a cultural aspect and modesty can be maintained in other ways. As for showing herself to the police officer: well, Muslims are known as one of the people of The Book. In the New Testament it says "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's" - so the obligation to the law comes first.

[Jimmy_D]

The original point of this thread was lost a fair while ago.