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The Run-in: Remaining Games; All Teams


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Genuine congrats to Brighton, they have had a fantastic season and are very worthy winners of the division.

 

They had one minor dip in form all season. Their overall record is outstanding.

 

All that said, I'd probably only make them narrow favourites on Saturday. We really do have a good chance of getting something out of the game.

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Automatic promotion has to be our real chance of getting promotion. If we are in the play offs that will mean several things, none of which will be a good indicator of us winning through.

 

We need to win 4 games and automatic is ours, the home games I am not too worried about, it's how we get the two away wins that concerns. I believe we have sufficient depth in the squad to do the job, it's just having the right players in the right positions I see as the problem. Adkins needs to change things round, we don't have the same players or talent available and it now becomes more important to cover up our weaknesses and play to what strengths we have remaining. If we stick with that diamond we are going to see all the problems at Orient and Rochdale exposed to a far greater degree than previously experienced or imagined. Even if we dump the diamond that is not the defining factor, because if you have the wrong players in the wrong positions you are not really that much better off. We can have no passengers or square pegs in round holes, that means no Ricky at all and no Guly as a vital cog of the midfield, just for the away games.

 

I don't believe we will change that much and it's just going to be down to luck that the opposition don't seize the moment or that we get enough key players back for the play off's. I hope that 3 wins and a draw will be good enough as that seems our best chance at this moment, it's whether the opposition oblige.

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Orient 2 Peterborough 2

MK 1 Huddersfield 1

Brighton 2 Saints 0

 

Hudds 2 Dagg 0

Peterborough 3 Yeovil 1

Saints 2 Hartlepool 0

 

Brentford 1 Saints 0

Brighton 1 Huddersfield 1

Rochdale 1 Posh 2

 

Plymouth 1 Saints 1

 

Huddersfield 2 Brentford 1

Posh 2 Daggers 0

Saints 4 Wallsall 0

 

Huddersfield 85

Saints 84

Posh 84

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tried to do it on the pessimistic side of what I though realistic (does that make sense?!)

 

think we will do it, as can't see it being much worse than that - and sure if we went into Plymouth / Wallsall needing two wins to guarantee it we would not be too upset - and that is what above gives

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I look at it this way (barring any extreme results):

 

4 wins for us will be enough .

3 wins are enough to finish above Peterborough.

If Peterborough lose one then 2 wins will be enough to finish above them.

If Huddersfield lose one, then 3 wins will be enough.

If Peterborough lose 1 and Huddersfield lose 2 then 2 wins will be enough.

 

So out of our remaining 5 games, 2 home wins and 3 away points might well be enough. One extra away point might be necessary if Huddersfield win 3 and draw 1.

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Orient 2 Peterborough 2

MK 1 Huddersfield 1

Brighton 2 Saints 0

 

Hudds 2 Dagg 0

Peterborough 3 Yeovil 1

Saints 2 Hartlepool 0

 

Brentford 1 Saints 0

Brighton 1 Huddersfield 1

Rochdale 1 Posh 2

 

Plymouth 1 Saints 1

 

Huddersfield 2 Brentford 1

Posh 2 Daggers 0

Saints 4 Wallsall 0

 

Huddersfield 85

Saints 84

Posh 84

 

My internal organ(s) would not survive that run in....!

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Orient 2 Peterborough 2

MK 1 Huddersfield 1

Brighton 2 Saints 0

 

Hudds 2 Dagg 0

Peterborough 3 Yeovil 1

Saints 2 Hartlepool 0

 

Brentford 1 Saints 0

Brighton 1 Huddersfield 1

Rochdale 1 Posh 2

 

Plymouth 1 Saints 1

 

Huddersfield 2 Brentford 1

Posh 2 Daggers 0

Saints 4 Wallsall 0

 

Huddersfield 85

Saints 84

Posh 84

 

I'll go with this.

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yep have to agree with last couple of posts... momentum is with Udders.. unbeaten in 21 is it?? and although not playing blistering football themselves they don't seem likely to concede either.. we on the other hand seem extremely nervous. Crowd can play a big part in this I reckon. Defo squeaky bum time.

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My predictor results:

 

Orient 1-2 Peterborough

MK Dons 2-1 Huddersfield

Brighton 2-1 Saints

 

Huddersfield 2-0 Dagenham and Redbridge

Peterborough 3-0 Yeovil

Saints 2-1 Hartlepool

 

Brentford 1-1 Saints

Brighton 1-1 Huddersfield

Rochdale 1-2 Peterborough

 

Plymouth 1-3 Saints

 

Huddersfield 3-1 Brentford

Peterborough 4-0 Dagenham and Redbridge

Saints 2-1 Walsall

 

The table ends:

 

2nd Saints 87

3rd Peterborough 86

4th Huddersfield 85

 

The last day and the Plymouth away game will be deal breakers. If Huddersfield win against the Franchise on friday then we will not be able to afford any hiccoughs.

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It is that simple.

 

- Huddersfield need Saints to not win at least two games to stand any chance of getting 2nd spot.

-Where as you said Saints can't afford any slip ups.

 

Huddersfield have massive momentum. Based on my predictions above I see that momentum being broken at the Franchise this friday. If that doesn't happen the rest of my prediction becomes academic. Mathematically, yes we can afford one slip.... just one.... a slip at a time when momentum and form is king. A time when we twice have to play to games in a 3 day period.

 

I'm nervous ahead of this run in, I make no appologies for that. Just once, once I would like to see us do things the easy way but I have this horrible feeling that we will labour over it. That Rochdale game really is praying on my mind - Had we won there, 2 games in hand, 3 points ahead I would have really started believing, but no.... we utterly b*llocksed it up. No more trips up, please.... I couldn't stand it.

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I get the impression with Huddersfield that if they lose once and break this run, they could well lose a few times. MK Dons were certainly no mugs at SMS, that game is MASSIVE. If they win it, I think we need something from Brighton.

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Explain why Huddersfield have momentum, but Saints don't?

 

At the start of Huddersfield's unbeaten run in December they were above Saints, today in April they are behind Saints in the table (having played more games).

 

Their unbeaten run gives them that momentum. We still have it in our locker to go to places like Spotland and cave in. They are more resilient then that. I see it as more likely for us to lose a couple then them.

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But in the same period Saints have accumulated more points, scored more goals and conceded fewer goals. I know which kind of momentum I'd rather have...

 

We shall see what wins out, I dearly hope that you are right and i'm just falsely coming over a bit Alpine.

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Well it has already worked to get us above them. They are drawing too many games and can't break teams down. Since Huddersfield's run began Saints have lost 3 games, but Saints have won more matches than Huddersfield in that time as Saints have broken teams down and got wins, where as Huddersfield couldn't break them down and got draws. If that continues until the end of the season, Saints go up.

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Orient 2 Peterborough 2

MK 1 Huddersfield 1

Brighton 2 Saints 0

 

Hudds 2 Dagg 0

Peterborough 3 Yeovil 1

Saints 2 Hartlepool 0

 

Brentford 1 Saints 0

Brighton 1 Huddersfield 1

Rochdale 1 Posh 2

 

Plymouth 1 Saints 1

 

Huddersfield 2 Brentford 1

Posh 2 Daggers 0

Saints 4 Wallsall 0

 

Huddersfield 85

Saints 84

Posh 84

 

Pfft. So nick a point at Brentford and we're on course to go up even in the mind of the most pessimistic of us!

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Well it has already worked to get us above them. They are drawing too many games and can't break teams down. Since Huddersfield's run began Saints have lost 3 games, but Saints have won more matches than Huddersfield in that time as Saints have broken teams down at got wins, where as Huddersfield couldn't break them down and got draws. If that continues until the end of the season, Saints go up.

 

On paper football is so simple. I admire your confidence. :)

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On paper football is so simple. I admire your confidence. :)

 

You were the one using paper to be Alpine mark II! ;) :D

 

I was just pointing out the flaws in your bit of paper. Saints have been better than Huddersfield since their unbeaten run began. Also remember that Huddersfield's unbeaten run started after Saints comfortably beat them 4-1 at St Mary's.

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Despite winning on Saturday, it was the defeat to Rochdale which drained any sort of confidence I had of securing promotion the easy way. A win against Rochdale, and second place would have been ours, but I just can't see the players doing it.

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You were the one using paper to be Alpine mark II! ;) :D

 

I was just pointing out the flaws in your bit of paper. Saints have been better than Huddersfield since their unbeaten run began. Also remember that Huddersfield's unbeaten run started after Saints comfortably beat them 4-1 at St Mary's.

 

My piece of paper has us finishing 2nd, not that I have much confidence in it! haha.

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Put simply, it's a 5 match burst for the finishing line. It's a case of which jockey can force their horse over the line first.

 

We play Brighton (who have already won the title), Hartlepool (who have nothing to play for), Brentford (who may have a very distant shot at the playoffs still in reach), Plymouth (who may be relegated when we play them) and Walsall (who may still have something to play for - but whom we play at home).

 

None of those matches are easy but they are the best we could reasonably hope for. Brighton may take their foot off the gas enough for us to get a point but the rest are winnable. Then it's just a case of whose legs give out first - ours, Huddersfield's or Peterborough's. I certainly know which position I'd want to be in - OURS.

 

Here's to 4 wins and a draw. If we achieve that (and we can) then it doesn't really matter what any other team does.

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We should be going to Brighton all guns blazing for a win. I think the main reason they are so formidable at home is because teams know they are. They go there expecting to get battered, park the bus in front of the goal and play for a draw. Brighton are top of the league because they became experts and breaking teams down and grinding out scrappy 1 goal wins. Looking back through their results, they've only really battered Plymouth at home in the last couple of months. The rest have been narrow 1/2 goal wins.

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Huddersfield's home form is what has cost them, they drew at home to Swindon, drew against a 10 man Orient after being 2 up and drew home to Oldham who were in the middle of an awful run. My mate supports them and is more worried about Brentford and D&R at home, than MK and Brighton away.As we saw on Saturday, sometimes home games get nervy and the team get anxious. He claims they're likely to beat MK,but then draw with D&R particulary if we've lost at Brighton and they are back in second.He thinks if we win Sat, then it's all over for them.

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We should be going to Brighton all guns blazing for a win. I think the main reason they are so formidable at home is because teams know they are. They go there expecting to get battered, park the bus in front of the goal and play for a draw. Brighton are top of the league because they became experts and breaking teams down and grinding out scrappy 1 goal wins. Looking back through their results, they've only really battered Plymouth at home in the last couple of months. The rest have been narrow 1/2 goal wins.

 

You could well be right or alternatively it may be well better to not risk the likes of Lallana. Going to Brighton in poor playing form and with so many players unavailable really is a worry. If we lose 2 away games that could easily be enough to give Peterborough a chance on GD even. I just don't believe we have the players or the form at the moment with the formation I expect us to use.

 

If we throw everything at Brighton and come out the other end with our arses in a sling, I can really see us struggle against Hartlepool at home 2 days later. I really don't know the answer but if we keep with that fookin diamond, we will deserve everything that we get.

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Orient 2 Peterborough 2

MK 1 Huddersfield 1

Brighton 2 Saints 0

 

Hudds 2 Dagg 0

Peterborough 3 Yeovil 1

Saints 2 Hartlepool 0

 

Brentford 1 Saints 0

Brighton 1 Huddersfield 1

Rochdale 1 Posh 2

 

Plymouth 1 Saints 1

 

Huddersfield 2 Brentford 1

Posh 2 Daggers 0

Saints 4 Wallsall 0

 

Huddersfield 85

Saints 84

Posh 84

 

I think we'll win at least one of Plymouth or Brentford away. And how are Hudders getting anything at Brighton and not us.

 

Here's my prediction:

 

Saints:

Brighton A LOSE

Hartlepool H WIN

Brentford A LOSE

Plymouth A WIN

Wallsall H WIN

 

Huddersfield:

MK Dons A WIN

Daggers H WIN

Brighton A LOSE

Brentford H WIN

 

This puts us up and isnt an optimistic forecast. Also I think Brighton will start the game slowly on Saturday after the various celebrations before the game, whereas we will be focused (are we doing guard of honour btw?)

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I reckon we will do it. Was just looking at scores I could see happening but going against us to see how hard / easy it will be. Can't see any worse than that and we only miss out by one point so hopefully should be ok!

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If either Hudds or Peterboro win on Friday then I think it,s Play-offs for. us............IMO.

 

The playoffs have always been the most likely scenario. 2nd is a bonus, worth going for, but we must not be too depressed if we don't make it. I predict a Posh v Saints meeting at OT in May.

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Huddersfield boss Lee Clark is 'gutted' Sean Morrison has been recalled from his loan spell by Reading

 

got me excited that they were losing a key player - until I googled him and found out he had never played for them!

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Its pointless thinking what Huddersfield might do. SFC only has any control over what the Saint's team can do, and even that control is limited as shown by injuries which are outside of anyone's control and occasional inconsistencies of individual players, such as Chaplow's dip in form since January and Ging Gang's percentage of bad misses against well-taken goals (or more accurately the other way round). 1 draw or defeat is OK, but 2 draws are not. As it stands, 2 draws would hand the initiative to Huddersfield. Even a draw against Brighton is not a good result as we would still need to win the other 4 games to be certain of 2nd place. There are times when a team goes into a game with avoiding defeat as a higher priority than trying to win, but there is nothing to be gained by that at Brighton and I'm sure Adkins will be telling the players they have to go all out for the win.

 

Obviously we can go up automatically if Huddersfield (and Peterborough) start dropping points but that is not a calculation worth making.

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Wow im amazed how negative some of you are on here. Talk of play offs and predicting losing at Brentford. Unbeleivable...we are in 2nd place, with a game in hand and Huddersfield have got MK dons away next.

Some of you lot should be ashamed....where is the faith????

 

terrible support

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