sir woody Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 to the championship next season , a certain Mr.James Beattie wants to come back to St.Marys, either on loan or as a transfer. You heard it here first !! Good or Bad - Discuss Source - direct from James Beattie
rocknrollman no2 Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 If its the same Beattie from 2002/3,yes please. If its the Beattie from Everton,no thanks.
bognor regis pete Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 No not if he'd played anything like he did for Blackpool at fulham on sunday
sir woody Posted 6 April, 2011 Author Posted 6 April, 2011 I think the Championship is about his level now to be honest, Lambert and Beattie that could be very interesting indeed !
paulwantsapint Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 if beattie wants to finish his playing days in a saints shirt on a sensible wage great signing he would be great back up for rickie / impact player
Saint Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Yes. I would love a Beattie and Lambert/Beattie and Barnard attack. Or, a Beattie and Forte attack.
doddisalegend Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Err no thanks BT was class back in the day but as they say never go back. One of the good things about new era saints is we have dispensed with over paid journeymen looking for one more pay day and started building a team of players who seem truly grateful to be playing for us the likes of Hammond, Lambert, Dickson know they're onto a good thing at club like ours. Jaidi and Harding are grateful for the second chance. While youngsters like stephens, and chambo think this is good place to progress. BT would just be here for the money living on past reputation lets just remember him as he was rather than ruining it with a return that would most likely end in acrimony
thesaint sfc Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 I'd rather have Ricardo Fuller back. Remember, that player HR signed for 90k? The only 90K he got to spend? The best signing we've had in years for that £. The player that copious amounts of fans got on the back of. Quality, quality player IMO.
Thedelldays Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 I'd rather have Ricardo Fuller back. Remember, that player HR signed for 90k? The only 90K he got to spend? The best signing we've had in years for that £. The player that copious amounts of fans got on the back of. Quality, quality player IMO. He was utter gash for us for much of the time.. He was better when he came back from loan
smithy Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 I think the Championship is about his level now to be honest, Lambert and Beattie that could be very interesting indeed ! Not sure that would work, Beattie needs someone buzzing around him like Brett did, Beattie and Barnard would work but Barny may be in jail by then.
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 It depends on his wage and his attitude and who else we buy. If he's here on a low wage and 2 year contract with the expectation that he won't really be starting games but here to provide cover then maybe. He might do well bringing on another younger striker. In fact, maybe even Lambert would improve simply for the fact that someone with his reputation is here. If he's here as a first choice striker then probably not.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 We can afford better than a fat well past it Beattie.
Colbury Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Don't blame him for wanting this move - means the helmet won't have as far to travel for his Saturday night p*ss up in 90 degrees.
Spudders Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 I would be more than happy to see him back here. Maybe the reason he's not done so well recently is because his heart just isn't in it and he really does want to be back at saints! - and who can blame him It's all well and good saying stuff like he's past it, but other prem teams seem to value him and whilst Saints are on the up we need to be careful we don't get too big for our boots! We are currently league 1, hopefully soon to be championship. He is currently a premiership player.
saintsmike25 Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 He's had his time here, we already have another set piece specialist, someone who can pick a pass and hit a rocket shot in Rickie Lambert. I'd much rather get a pacy striker to compliment the likes of Barnard and Lambert if we get promoted next season. I'm thinking a Craig Makhail Smith type, or perhaps a Nathan Tyson.
Crab Lungs Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 I would love to have Beatts back!!! Please let it happen! Looks well out of sorts at Blackpool - I firmly believe he just needs to play for a club he knows and cares about. He's definitely not past it, just out of sorts.
Lighthouse Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Think Beatts is one of those players who just needs a little loving (that and not playing top division football). Would be a great alternative to Lambert if we go up (and we will need options up front). I'd love it if we could get Beattie and Nugent on sensible wages. Especially as their would be bugger all involved in transfer fees. Beatts, Nugent, Barny and Lambert up front in NpC... I've just made a mess in my pants.
sotonist Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 He's had his time here, we already have another set piece specialist, someone who can pick a pass and hit a rocket shot in Rickie Lambert. I'd much rather get a pacy striker to compliment the likes of Barnard and Lambert if we get promoted next season. I'm thinking a Craig Makhail Smith type, or perhaps a Nathan Tyson. this. they can't both take direct free kicks and penalties. Unless we need to replace Lambert he's not what we need.
SFC Forever Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Beattie is over the hill and has had a run of poor form for more than the one club. As for Nugent. Why on earth would you want him? He is currently in the Championship and his club's fans don't rate and nor did his last ones.
Lighthouse Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 As for Nugent. Why on earth would you want him? He is currently in the Championship and his club's fans don't rate and nor did his last ones. He's done it in the NpC before, he's only 25 so he can do it again. I don't see why Pompey fans wouldn't rate him. His 12 goals so far this season is comparable to Barnards 14 or Lamberts 17 (probably 5 pens in there too). Especially bearing in mind Pompey are pretty average (have scored 50 goals compared to our 70). If he's available on a free, I think he would be a decent signing. I'm not too sure who you think we're going to get. A team newly promoted to the Championship is hardly going to attract Premier League players. I think we need a reality check here. IF we go up, we wont be a big fish in a little pond. There are plenty of similarly sized clubs like Leicester, Derby, Reading and whoever misses out on promotion from Leeds, Norwich, Cardiff, Forest and Swansea.
sotonist Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 He's done it in the NpC before, he's only 25 so he can do it again. He's had one 20 goal (in all competitions) season at championship level. **** knows how he got a game for england never mind a goal. Not the standard we should be looking at.
Scudamore Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Beattie would come on the understanding that he's back up? Some of you lot do have some funny ideas...
sotonist Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 correction. half the goals he scored that season were in league two. so the best he's done is 15 league goals.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Didn't like his comments before Sturrock left - but would have him back. Saints legend. Can still do it.
Crab Lungs Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 Didn't like his comments before Sturrock left - but would have him back. Saints legend. Can still do it. I totally believe this also, though he's being classically wrote off on here. Hope he comes back as I honestly think he'll give us a good 2-3 seasons quality service AND he relish the challenge of firing us back to the Prem...
Lighthouse Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 correction. half the goals he scored that season were in league two. so the best he's done is 15 league goals. What's the best Lambert and Barnard have managed in the Championship?
hypochondriac Posted 6 April, 2011 Posted 6 April, 2011 I totally believe this also, though he's being classically wrote off on here. Hope he comes back as I honestly think he'll give us a good 2-3 seasons quality service AND he relish the challenge of firing us back to the Prem... That and I want to see the celebrations if he scores against the skates next year.
SaintBobby Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 One for nostalgia really. Not saying he's a bad player, but I don't imagine,say, Brighton or Crystal Palace or Burnley fans would be remotely excited about signing him. Neither should we. He could probably do a job for us. But let's not pretend he can bring back the 2002/3/4 glory days. It's all too sentimental.
Saint Bones Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Will we actually need him though. Lambert is a similar type player. Guly may be re-signed ( wether as a forward or what who knows ) Loved him when he was a Saint but not sure if he is a buying just for the sake of it player
doddisalegend Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 One for nostalgia really. Not saying he's a bad player, but I don't imagine,say, Brighton or Crystal Palace or Burnley fans would be remotely excited about signing him. Neither should we. He could probably do a job for us. But let's not pretend he can bring back the 2002/3/4 glory days. It's all too sentimental. Exactly people are remembering the BT of 2003 eight years is long time in football he is not the same player now.
MarkSFC Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 When we go up will we need a striker better than we have? Yes Is BT better than we have? On current form, No. On his best form, without doubt. Will he get back to his best form? Who can tell Are there better short and long term options available that we can afford? Definitely If we were to sign him I would be happy with that but we had really be going for someone in or just about to be in their prime who can get is to the prem and keep us their. CMS, Danny Graham, Ebanks-Blake possibly, Basically there are better options!
rolosfc Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 I'd rather have Ricardo Fuller back. Remember, that player HR signed for 90k? The only 90K he got to spend? The best signing we've had in years for that £. The player that copious amounts of fans got on the back of. Quality, quality player IMO. He was absolutely awful for us and most fans got on his back because his attitude completely stunk. He has played a lot better since leaving Saints but for us he was terrible.
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 If it was Wayne Bridge saying the same thing then I'd say yes in a heart beat, because it's a different scenario and he's a much better player... and as such less likely. BT, I wouldn't be disappointed if he came back, but I would have nagging doubts about it, he did a good job at Stoke a couple of seasons ago, but these days he seems to be dragging along baggage and an attitude problem (in fact arguably this started at Saints, if rumours are to be believed). Not sure he's the sort of 'character' that Adkins would want around the dressing room.
eurosaint Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 BT would only be back for a final payday and to resh@g a few of his old flames ! Putting that aside, he would be good company for Lee Holmes in the treatment room ! All IMHO of course
Junior Mullet Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 If we go up to the Championship we must look to build a squad capable of pushing for promotion in the first season. Personally I think BT would be a risk and one not worth taking given that there are more talented players at their peak (Makail-Smith for example when Peterborough don't get promoted) who would also be less disruptive for dressing room harmony. That said, if the club want him and think HCDAJFU then I would be pleased to have him back.
Mowgli Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 If it was Wayne Bridge saying the same thing then I'd say yes in a heart beat, because it's a different scenario and he's a much better player... and as such less likely. BT, I wouldn't be disappointed if he came back, but I would have nagging doubts about it, he did a good job at Stoke a couple of seasons ago, but these days he seems to be dragging along baggage and an attitude problem (in fact arguably this started at Saints, if rumours are to be believed). Not sure he's the sort of 'character' that Adkins would want around the dressing room. Sums it up perfectly for me (I was thinking about Bridgy too but concluded that going back just does not work - even for him). At the end of the day we are on the verge of producing a team that will be known as the Adkin Babes. A team of young players who have played together for years and come through pretty much as a unit, capable of competing at the very highest level. These new rose tinted are pretty awesome... Although Sturrock turned out to be the worng man for the job, I still find it hard to forgive Beattie for his role in that sad episode.
rooney Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Beatts was great for us but we do not wish to spoil good memories by having him back now. We are in a different arena.
Cabrone Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 I loved BT when he was here but the club would have to look at the BT circa 2011, not the BT of 2001-2004. Good points: - Whilst he is 33 as long as he's looked after himself he could still have another 3-4 years left in him. That should be enough time to effectively use him in a promotion push back to the prem (assuming we got promoted this season). - He has a strong affinity for the club + a large amount of goodwill from the fans so I'd imagine he'd settle quickly. - I believe that if he could get back to form he'd be a formidable champ striker, maybe something along the lines of Steve Howard at Derby. 15+ goals wouldn't be out of the question IMO. Bad points: - Wages could be a big stumbling clock. - We already have a good striker in a similar mould i.e. Ricky. - How is his fitness? A 33 year old BT that is constantly breaking down would be no good. Overall I'd welcome him back as long as: i) We got promoted. ii) He accepted a 'realistic' wage. iii) The club didn't sign him over a decent younger pacy striker like CMS (who would be my no.1 target).
Dellman Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Beatts had his day and it was along time ago, since then he has been around causing trouble after trouble, he's now a rather sad figure and not what we want in our dressing room, NC has got rid of past problems on and off the pitch
alpine_saint Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Would have him back on the right terms for the club, but if faced with a choice between him and CMS if Posh stay down, the decision doesnt need a seconds thought...
up and away Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Some very short memories on here. If Beattie was not fully fit, he was just not up to the job. When fit, I thought he was superb. For such a big guy who relies upon putting himself about it should be no surprise. Injuries and knocks just don't get easier later on in a career. As for Fuller, it took him about another 18 months after leaving us to get fully fit, he was never near fit with us. But he would be a definite asset now, but I reckon we would be the last club he would come to after some of the comments he made on leaving. And as for these being back up for Ricky, you must be dreaming. We are going to need a striker to lead the line and that's not Ricky. I don't know what we are going to do with him, but he definitely is not the solution as the front man. Something's gone wrong for Ricky, don't know what, but there's no reason why his free kicks have dried up as well? With a bit of luck he will come back a different player next season, but unless he does we will need that striker.
dickyhale Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Lets get promotion to the championship FIRST Did read a piece in the Southampton Daily Echo from his wife parents congratulation messages about there new baby. One thing for sure he would get you goals if he came back but the wages may be a sticking point
Crab Lungs Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 I must have missed something... what exactly did Beattie supposedly do regarding Sturrock?
thesaint sfc Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 He was absolutely awful for us and most fans got on his back because his attitude completely stunk. He has played a lot better since leaving Saints but for us he was terrible. He started playing really well for us, kept us up, fans continued to boo him and sing 'let him die' whenever he went down, then we sold him. I believe he'd have been just as quality as he was for Stoke when he first signed for them if we'd kept with him. HR knew what he was doing when he signed him.
Dimond Geezer Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Sums it up perfectly for me (I was thinking about Bridgy too but concluded that going back just does not work - even for him). At the end of the day we are on the verge of producing a team that will be known as the Adkin Babes. A team of young players who have played together for years and come through pretty much as a unit, capable of competing at the very highest level. These new rose tinted are pretty awesome... Although Sturrock turned out to be the worng man for the job, I still find it hard to forgive Beattie for his role in that sad episode. I thought BT was exonerated of all wrong doing, with Dodd being the chief protagonist.
The9 Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 He started playing really well for us, kept us up, fans continued to boo him and sing 'let him die' whenever he went down, then we sold him. I believe he'd have been just as quality as he was for Stoke when he first signed for them if we'd kept with him. HR knew what he was doing when he signed him. That's not strictly true, he got tons of crap when he first arrived, and didn't score between Oct 2005 and Feb '06 when he went on loan to Ipswich. At Ipswich (Feb/Mar 2006) he was instantly miles better, scoring 2 goals in 3 games (then getting sent off so he was suspended for the rest of the loan period and came back to Saints). Fuller then proceeded to score 2 goals in his first game back (beat Cardiff 3-2) which stopped the booing of him immediately on his return, and he scored 6 in 6 until the end of the season, which was good enough that he even got a version of the Ohh Crouchie Crouchie song - he was actually one of our most popular players in April/May 2006 as we recovered from the Burley/Lowe firesale the previous Christmas and started to build a winning team. He then played at Derby (2-2 on tv, opening match of 2006/7) and against Yeovil (5-2) in the Carling Cup, without scoring in either, and Burley sold him to Stoke because we had just signed Wright-Phillips and paired him with Kenwyne Jones up front.
bognor regis pete Posted 7 April, 2011 Posted 7 April, 2011 Lets get Brett back as well it'll be like 2003 all over again or Blackpool on Sunday , Hard to believe they'll still a prem strike force 8 years later
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