Scoobysaint Posted 11 April, 2011 Posted 11 April, 2011 Thank you, precisely what i was trying to do!
SaintBobby Posted 11 April, 2011 Posted 11 April, 2011 Here's my attempt at an away kit aap3 logo should probably be bigger.. This is great. Really great. Email it to the club. Much better than the yellow/blue. One query though....could it actually work as a 2nd kit? I mean if red and white stripes are unusable away from home because they clash with our opponents' first strip, wouldn't this red sash also clash? (e.g. could we wear this kit at Brammal Lane v Sheff Utd?)
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Yeah, we had the Sweden away kit on the other kit thread along with the new Sunderland kit. If it hadn't been for the OP comments I'd have expected something like that too, but I think we'll be getting something plain - possibly with an ugly clashing sponsor logo in red!
doggface Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 I see Huddersfield have signed a 4 year deal with umbro too
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 I see Huddersfield have signed a 4 year deal with umbro too Yeah, annoyingly without unveiling their new shirts yet.
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 This is great. Really great. Email it to the club. Much better than the yellow/blue. One query though....could it actually work as a 2nd kit? I mean if red and white stripes are unusable away from home because they clash with our opponents' first strip, wouldn't this red sash also clash? (e.g. could we wear this kit at Brammal Lane v Sheff Utd?) Something tells me this won't be an issue next season ;-)
paulwantsapint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 When we have to have a single block of colour on back of shirts for player name & no. can we just have a large saints crest on the back with name either in scarf or where southampton fc goes aap3 are a local company so hopefully understand hat no box will look better, good looking kits sell better meaning more fans wear sponsor which is in turn seen by more people
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 When we have to have a single block of colour on back of shirts for player name & no. can we just have a large saints crest on the back with name either in scarf or where southampton fc goes aap3 are a local company so hopefully understand hat no box will look better, good looking kits sell better meaning more fans wear sponsor which is in turn seen by more people I'm not sure that the logo's the right shape for that, but I get what you mean - it would be similar to the shield Newcastle had circa 1999. I think that kind of thing has to be integral to the design though, and they're not going to have done that this season. Mind you I hate colour patches full stop anyway.
doggface Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Stripes are still allowed on the backs in the premier league so no issue.
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Stripes are still allowed on the backs in the premier league so no issue. Thankfully, I hate our UEFA Cup kit for all kinds of reasons.
GeckoSaint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The9 i really like this: Am a big fan of the white sleeves as it differentiates us for Stoke, Sunderland etc. I also like elements of the Gamba shirt but I think sashes & stripes are too much, so i've created this: Perhaps again it may be a tad OTT but it's just a bit of fun for a very frustrated designer
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Perhaps again it may be a tad OTT but it's just a bit of fun for a very frustrated designer You should have left it at the Patrick-style stuff, that's vile and very much neither fish nor fowl..! nice aap3 in a red box though, that'll keep some people happy. Actually, where you could shed some light on this is in the design process - what happened when you were involved in terms of design remit and the club's input ? It won't be the same now due to Umbro's involvement (guessing you might not know how that works though I know you did some work for them) and the club's people are different, but I'm interested in the process and how you came to final designs. All assuming you're not on a lifetime NDA of course !
Asaint4ever Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Here's my attempt at an away kit aap3 logo should probably be bigger.. I like this alot! Very good!
goodymatt Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The9 i really like this: Am a big fan of the white sleeves as it differentiates us for Stoke, Sunderland etc. I also like elements of the Gamba shirt but I think sashes & stripes are too much, so i've created this: Perhaps again it may be a tad OTT but it's just a bit of fun for a very frustrated designer I quite like that, it's different!
GeckoSaint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The design process is fairly simple; got the brief, told what away colours to use (obviously home is red & white), set my templates up & off i went. Came up with half a dozen initial templates, then those are narrowed down, being constantly tweaked until all departments (retail, the manufacturer, the manager, senior players & the sponsors) are happy with the final designs. I believe Leighton is still the main man to sign things off cos he needs to have a decent product he can sell. If I remember correctly the whole process took a couple of months, from start to finish.
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The design process is fairly simple; got the brief, told what away colours to use (obviously home is red & white), set my templates up & off i went. Came up with half a dozen initial templates, then those are narrowed down, being constantly tweaked until all departments (retail, the manufacturer, the manager, senior players & the sponsors) are happy with the final designs. I believe Leighton is still the main man to sign things off cos he needs to have a decent product he can sell. If I remember correctly the whole process took a couple of months, from start to finish. How far in advance of the release ? And any ideas how Umbro do it ? Oh yeah, and who was to blame for the nose-breaking collar ?
GeckoSaint Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The designs will have to been finalised 1 maybe 2 months before launch so all marketing & publicity that comes with it can be done in time. Was part of a team that pitched for the Spurs kit launch, they & Puma had finalised the kit in Jan for a May launch. FYI the nose breaker was pre me. A manufacturer fault by Strikeforce (i think) the company that made Saints Apprarel & Lonsdale footie shirts.
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The designs will have to been finalised 1 maybe 2 months before launch so all marketing & publicity that comes with it can be done in time. Was part of a team that pitched for the Spurs kit launch, they & Puma had finalised the kit in Jan for a May launch. FYI the nose breaker was pre me. A manufacturer fault by Strikeforce (i think) the company that made Saints Apprarel & Lonsdale footie shirts. Yeah I know it was, that's why I asked Useful info about who was making the kits though, eeeeuw, Strikeforce branding. It's such an intangible thing, a design label ! I noticed Fulham had some of "our" training kit a season afterwards as well, I think when they were with Airness. What about the actual manufacturing/distribution of the kit in terms of the design process, I'd always assumed that was the bit that took up the lead time but you're implying it can be done in 2 months ? Then again, when I worked in a sports retail warehouse in the mid-90s we didn't get the kits in for distribution until a week before launch - which isn't to say they weren't sat in some Umbro warehouse for months before of course ? Having said that they got thousands of the plain white Man U kits out there within about 3 weeks of them losing to Saints in grey...
Saint 76er Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 The design process is fairly simple; got the brief, told what away colours to use (obviously home is red & white), set my templates up & off i went. Came up with half a dozen initial templates, then those are narrowed down, being constantly tweaked until all departments (retail, the manufacturer, the manager, senior players & the sponsors) are happy with the final designs. I believe Leighton is still the main man to sign things off cos he needs to have a decent product he can sell. Gecko/The9 ... do you think aap3 may be prepared to forego the smiley face part of their logo to facilitate a better looking shirt and make it much easier to assimilate into the design? A short single line name would look so much better on stripes and no doubt assist Mr Mitchell to sell more shirts. Of course, if we were to go back to a single white front panel as per Keegan era shirt, then sponsor can have almost anything they like on there I suppose ....
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Posted 12 April, 2011 Gecko/The9 ... do you think aap3 may be prepared to forego the smiley face part of their logo to facilitate a better looking shirt and make it much easier to assimilate into the design? A short single line name would look so much better on stripes and no doubt assist Mr Mitchell to sell more shirts. Of course, if we were to go back to a single white front panel as per Keegan era shirt, then sponsor can have almost anything they like on there I suppose .... I'm no expert, and I have no idea whether it will happen, but I'd like us to do that - a compromise this season to make the shirt look decent and so the sponsor doesn't antagonise fans, and then next year they can have some input into the kit itself to make it work better. Oh yeah, and for whoever asked earlier, the Umbro deal is 5 years running from summer 2008, with new shirts every season (somehow administration stopped us changing it in 2009). The next kits will take us to the end of the 4th year, so two more Umbro home kits to come.
Scummer Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 How big are sponsors allowed to be on the kit? Got a feeling that swoopy bit on the aap3 logo will limit the size of font they can use.
The9 Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 How big are sponsors allowed to be on the kit? Got a feeling that swoopy bit on the aap3 logo will limit the size of font they can use. According to this (and apologies for the front page picture): http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/KitRegs2010.ashx/KitRegs2010.pdf One single area not exceeding 200 square centimetres on the front of the shirt although In the event that a club or competition elects to have an area of sponsor advertising only on the front of the shirt, and on no other item of playing kit, that area may be increased to a maximum of 250 square centimetres if approved by the competition. But as the Football League allows ads and sponsors on shorts etc. as well, it's 200 cm squared.
SNOWY Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Meh, been twiddling again: We have a winner! All three are excellent. I think they would mange to keep the boring old traditionalists (like me) happy but also appeal to the modern thinkers.
Saint 76er Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 According to this (and apologies for the front page picture): http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/KitRegs2010.ashx/KitRegs2010.pdf One single area not exceeding 200 square centimetres on the front of the shirt although In the event that a club or competition elects to have an area of sponsor advertising only on the front of the shirt, and on no other item of playing kit, that area may be increased to a maximum of 250 square centimetres if approved by the competition. But as the Football League allows ads and sponsors on shorts etc. as well, it's 200 cm squared. Perhaps this can be the tradeoff then ... Ditch the smiley thingy on the shirt and get a free name AND logo on the shorts as well. Genius!
Barry the Badger Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Meh, been twiddling again: Yep, love the first two. The black kit looks too much like a refs though.
Saint Garrett Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 I'm not a huge fan of that Yellow, think it'd be better as a brighter yellow.
Liquidshokk Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 When exactly are we expecting the reveal to be?? surely earlier than last season.
The9 Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 (edited) We have a winner! All three are excellent. I think they would mange to keep the boring old traditionalists (like me) happy but also appeal to the modern thinkers. It's not a design competition. I've just been posting stuff that our new kit could feasibly be, based on the limited information in the original post and subsequently. Which is that the home kit has got a patch on it for the aap3 sponsor, and the collar is similar to the New York Cosmos one but black. Other than that, it's all speculation because the only striped kit Umbro have revealed so far is Sunderland, and we KNOW it won't be too similar to that because they go out of their way to avoid that happening. The away kit was described as "Brazil-like" in yellow and blue, which also ties in with a current Umbro template which is similar to the recently replaced Brazil 2010 World Cup kit. FWIW I quite like the white with two red stripes, but we already know it won't look like that. Not keen on the washed-out yellow or the random template, and the black one looks almost exactly like a 2001 training kit we had - and I hate the current black away shirt because of that very reason. Edited 13 April, 2011 by The9
Deppo Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Can somebody do something in a nice red and white gingham? Perhaps with an all-round collar in the shape of the Hampshire rose?
Saint Garrett Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 It's not a design competition. I've just been posting stuff that our new kit could feasibly be, based on the limited information in the original post and subsequently. Which is that the home kit has got a patch on it for the aap3 sponsor, and the collar is similar to the New York Cosmos one but black. Other than that, it's all speculation because the only striped kit Umbro have revealed so far is Sunderland, and we KNOW it won't be too similar to that because they go out of their way to avoid that happening. The away kit was described as "Brazil-like" in yellow and blue, which also ties in with a current Umbro template which is similar to the recently replaced Brazil 2010 World Cup kit. FWIW I quite like the white with two red stripes, but we already know it won't look like that. Not keen on the washed-out yellow or the random template, and the black one looks almost exactly like a 2001 training kit we had - and I hate the current black away shirt because of that very reason. ???
eelpie Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 The9 i really like this: Am a big fan of the white sleeves as it differentiates us for Stoke, Sunderland etc. I also like elements of the Gamba shirt but I think sashes & stripes are too much, so i've created this: Perhaps again it may be a tad OTT but it's just a bit of fun for a very frustrated designer Don't like the top and last at the bottom. But really like the second row first and second. Modern and retains the sash (sort of) combining the stripes too. Go for these!
theyin Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Meh, been twiddling again: I like the home shirt, how about a red line ala the collar on the cuffs to go fully retro - a hint of the Patrick
Matthew Le God Posted 13 April, 2011 Posted 13 April, 2011 Can somebody do something in a nice red and white gingham?
The9 Posted 14 April, 2011 Posted 14 April, 2011 (edited) No, not that one, which doesn't correlate to any current Umbro kits. I'm thinking he means the old one, as there is a current Umbro template with a single stripe down the sleeve like the last Brazil shirt, which also happens to be the current Forest away kit (it's also the Wales home and Swansea home, but without the contrast colours on sleeve and shirt side panel) So my thinking is we're getting a yellow / blue version of that Forest away kit. Edited 14 April, 2011 by The9
SaintRichmond Posted 14 April, 2011 Posted 14 April, 2011 Absolutely nothing like a SAINTS traditional kit Very bad if true
Saint_clark Posted 14 April, 2011 Posted 14 April, 2011 Absolutely nothing like a SAINTS traditional kit Very bad if true For the away kit? I've always said we should have completely new designs for the away ones rather than slight variations of the same old.
The9 Posted 14 April, 2011 Posted 14 April, 2011 Absolutely nothing like a SAINTS traditional kit Very bad if true I have no idea which kit you're referring to, but whichever it is, I'm pretty sure you've missed the point entirely.
St Steve Posted 15 April, 2011 Posted 15 April, 2011 Air Florida. or Rank Xerox to some, best kit ever. So yes this one please.
Badger Posted 15 April, 2011 Posted 15 April, 2011 or Rank Xerox to some, best kit ever. So yes this one please. Ditto, about time that was given another airring.
jam Posted 15 April, 2011 Posted 15 April, 2011 It's not a design competition. I've just been posting stuff that our new kit could feasibly be, based on the limited information in the original post and subsequently. Which is that the home kit has got a patch on it for the aap3 sponsor, and the collar is similar to the New York Cosmos one but black. Other than that, it's all speculation because the only striped kit Umbro have revealed so far is Sunderland, and we KNOW it won't be too similar to that because they go out of their way to avoid that happening. The away kit was described as "Brazil-like" in yellow and blue, which also ties in with a current Umbro template which is similar to the recently replaced Brazil 2010 World Cup kit. FWIW I quite like the white with two red stripes, but we already know it won't look like that. Not keen on the washed-out yellow or the random template, and the black one looks almost exactly like a 2001 training kit we had - and I hate the current black away shirt because of that very reason. Regarding the collar and looking back through the posts, I think the New York Cosmos thing might be inaccurate. The **** white panel option so I am told. The 9 has got the collar pretty much spot on in post #158. O RLY ? The England kit one ? Black ? God I hope we don't end up with some wussy design element like those bloody multi-coloured crosses on the England shirt shoulders. The black you have used on the collar will be a bit thicker I think and not come so far down the shirt and pointy at the end - think of a very short tie! Looking at the visual from post 158 and the England, I think that the pointy end that Katalinic talks about might be the other end (i.e., the top). Last one... Other images on the web make the join at he top seem more pointy...
jam Posted 15 April, 2011 Posted 15 April, 2011 No, not that one, which doesn't correlate to any current Umbro kits. I'm thinking he means the old one, as there is a current Umbro template with a single stripe down the sleeve like the last Brazil shirt, which also happens to be the current Forest away kit (it's also the Wales home and Swansea home, but without the contrast colours on sleeve and shirt side panel) So my thinking is we're getting a yellow / blue version of that Forest away kit. I'd assume with blue shorts, which would be as per traditional versions of Brazil home and Southampton yellow away kits. I have no idea which kit you're referring to, but whichever it is, I'm pretty sure you've missed the point entirely. I think he's seen red and white, not read the post properly and hit the 'Reply With Knee Jerk' button.
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