Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 while lessons are on...they have to be off. when was this ever allowed ffs..? what the hell was going on in school..? surprise surprise, the union NASUWT are totally against this...saying it is too much power to the teachers and against a childs human right to carry have a mobile phone on..? my word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Oh jesus, is this another "it's the pay offs for us....waaaahhh" thread? What are on you on about, you silly little man? You really should learn to understand the English language and/or news before spouting your inane rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2011 ah....here we go..deppo will spam up the thread to get his point across again and again...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 No spam here DellDays, just the ability to understand the news - something which you are clearly lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2011 spam away and post your endless crap here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 No, they are not saying anything on the sort. What they are saying is the new powers, introduced by HMG, which allows teachers to confiscate, access, read and delete students messages are a step too far. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12868879 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 i think they should be off in lessons. I teach in FE and there is nothing worse than a student texting away for the entire lesson, I even had one lad answer his phone and hold a conversation, until I chucked him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2011 i am amazed they were ever allowed on in lesson..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 i am amazed they were ever allowed on in lesson..? I usually make a point of saying to turn them off, or at least have them on silent. Most people are considerate and just know not to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 i am amazed they were ever allowed on in lesson..? They're not. Nor do most schools allow on the premises but it's impossible to enforce. All phones, including mine, are on silent in my lessons but FE is slightly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 It's a shame that mobile phone jammers are illegal in this country. They are popular in New Zealand and I would love to have one over here just to get some peace on the train from the self-important a*seholes who feel the need to shout out their business in the hope of 'impressing' the other passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 It's a shame that mobile phone jammers are illegal in this country. They are popular in New Zealand and I would love to have one over here just to get some peace on the train from the self-important a*seholes who feel the need to shout out their business in the hope of 'impressing' the other passengers. Some numpty at Emirates Airlines decided it would be a really great idea to install systems that allow people to use mobiles while on long haul flights. 8 hours of hello hello, yes I am now over Iraq, it is really interesting I can see clouds, yes I am having the fish.... And as for the phone in a school? I must be getting really really old, I sortta thought that a class room at school was for learning in, not for checking your facebook. Shows how bright some kids are - hello - if you don't learn how to reed or rite u kant yuse a mo Bile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 What are on you on about You really should learn to understand the English language um... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 LOL!! I put an extra "on" in a sentence and now some people think I can't understand the English language! Good one Boj!! LOL!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2011 LOL!! I put an extra "on" in a sentence and now some people think I can't understand the English language! Good one Boj!! LOL!!!!!! maybe you should have paid more attention in your english lessons instead of playing snake on your phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 while lessons are on...they have to be off. when was this ever allowed ffs..? what the hell was going on in school..? surprise surprise, the union NASUWT are totally against this...saying it is too much power to the teachers and against a childs human right to carry have a mobile phone on..? my word Have you been reading a paper from 2000? 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of schools have had this in place for years and years. Shall we move on to the next hysterical headline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 while lessons are on...they have to be off. when was this ever allowed ffs..? what the hell was going on in school..? surprise surprise, the union NASUWT are totally against this...saying it is too much power to the teachers and against a childs human right to carry have a mobile phone on..? my word Knee jerk me up. That's twice in two days, you've morphed in to Alpine & Dune's love child. But on a serious note, go away and do some more reading and then come back with a more informed opinion as your opening tirade is somewhat wide of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Knee jerk me up. That's twice in two days, you've morphed in to Alpine & Dune's love child. But on a serious note, go away and do some more reading and then come back with a more informed opinion as your opening tirade is somewhat wide of the mark. fuk me, I just read it in the paper..hence why I threw in....3 question marks.... question marks still mean you are asking a question...right..????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 maybe you should have paid more attention in your english lessons instead of playing snake on your phone I think it's more likely that Deppo might have been playing with his snake rather than playing snake on his phone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 fuk me, I just read it in the paper..hence why I threw in....3 question marks.... question marks still mean you are asking a question...right..????????????????????????? get it fuking sorted or you will be fuking sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I had a letter home from the school yesterday to say my daughter has been using her phone in class and they included the school policy on mobile phones. I have no idea why they just didnt take the phone off her..... If I was the teacher I would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I had a letter home from the school yesterday to say my daughter has been using her phone in class and they included the school policy on mobile phones. I have no idea why they just didnt take the phone off her..... If I was the teacher I would have. What if she said you're not having it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Can everyone please stop spamming this thread with coherent responses to thedelldays. Only respond if you haven't read the article properly and have an adequate knee-jerk response to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 What if she said you're not having it? Then she would be in more trouble than she already is and I would expect the teacher to send her to headmaster. Don't get me wrong, I am glad the school send the letter home and now we know we can deal with it, but in my day the phone (Pretending that mobiles were around when I went to school ) would have been taken away until the end of the day. I will always back the school with whatever punishment they choose, for any given crime, but suspect that is not always the case with other parents, to the point that teachers end up treading on egg shells and not taking the most logical action, so as not to upset people. That might be a generalisation, but for all the parents that complain about teachers going too far, this one doesn't think they go far enough a lot of the time. My kids are no angels, but they know right from wrong and if they decide to do something wrong, they have to accept the consequences and punishment for that and I am not convinced that schools back that up strongly enough. I might soundf like an old fart, but in my day refusing to give something to the teacher wasn't an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Then she would be in more trouble than she already is and I would expect the teacher to send her to headmaster. Don't get me wrong, I am glad the school send the letter home and now we know we can deal with it, but in my day the phone (Pretending that mobiles were around when I went to school ) would have been taken away until the end of the day. I will always back the school with whatever punishment they choose, for any given crime, but suspect that is not always the case with other parents, to the point that teachers end up treading on egg shells and not taking the most logical action, so as not to upset people. That might be a generalisation, but for all the parents that complain about teachers going too far, this one doesn't think they go far enough a lot of the time. My kids are no angels, but they know right from wrong and if they decide to do something wrong, they have to accept the consequences and punishment for that and I am not convinced that schools back that up strongly enough. I might soundf like an old fart, but in my day refusing to give something to the teacher wasn't an option. Well said that man, it's time to give the classroom back to the teachers. I hear far too many horror stories of the state of our schools today - it's frightening. I was both caned and slippered - geeze it hurt - but I bloody well deserved it every time it happened. It taught me a lesson in life, be more respectful of others, especially your elders and don't act like a tool. Had we had them in my day - I'm fairly sure that had a teacher thought that my mobile phone was distracting me from the lesson - then it would have been confiscated, placed on a bench, hit with a hammer and returned in a bag. There is an awful lot to be said for 'old school' teaching and I take my hat off to you for supporting your childrens teachers, even when disciplining your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 When I was in school (left 2007) mobile phones weren't allowed to be on in lessons. If it went off the teacher would confiscate it. If you get caught texting it gets confiscated. This is nothing new it seems. The trick is to not get caught... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 When I was in school (left 2007) mobile phones weren't allowed to be on in lessons. If it went off the teacher would confiscate it. If you get caught texting it gets confiscated. This is nothing new it seems. The trick is to not get caught... We could confiscate them but we couldn't access your messages, read them and if we felt we should, delete them. The new rules states that we can now. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 If there is one thing being at school teaches you, it is to text without looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I will always back the school with whatever punishment they choose, for any given crime, but suspect that is not always the case with other parents, You may have hit the nail on the head. Your kids would either hand the phone over, or then if punished they would be worried about the effect it would have on their education and also what you would say to them when they got home. They would either have respect for the teachers, for you, for themselves or for all three. Sadly too many parents wouldn't care if their kids were using their phones in class, nor would they care what the consequences would be. As for some of the kids then sadly any follow up would mean nothing to them as they don't value their education and there is no punishment that can cause them to alter their way of thinking and nothing their parents can do either (that's if the parents are keen to do it anyway). Taking your next step of "I would expect the teacher to send them to the headmaster", then for many the next act on their part would be a) refuse to go to the Headmaster, or b) go but refuse to hand over the phone. Logically the next move would be an a) isolation room, or b) sent home, or c) temporary exclusion. Their reaction to a) might be to refuse to go to the isolation room (so fast track to b or c) or to go to the isolation room and doss around (fast track to b or c). Their reaction to b) or c) might be "good news, I don't have to go to school", particularly if the parent has no control and/or doesn't care, so ultimately they've got what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 If there is one thing being at school teaches you, it is to text without looking. Thankfully being 25 I'm still pretty 'au fait' with the tricks of using mobiles and iPhones in school so I can spot them a mile off. You should see their faces when I tell them I too use to try to get away with listening to my earphones by running the lead down my sleeve and then resting my head in my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 There is an awful lot to be said for 'old school' teaching and I take my hat off to you for supporting your childrens teachers, even when disciplining your own. Thanks Micky, It's actually something I feel quite strongly about. The teacher / parent relationship should be a partnership. The onus is obviously on the parents to set the guidelines of what is and isn't acceptable, morals, ethics etc etc. but it needs to be a united front and I think nowadays teachers are to scared to exercise their powers because of fear of reprisal. That's not their fault and kids are very clued up as to what a teacher can or can't do and will (As always) push a situation to its limits. I just think those "limits" have moved far far far to much. I met one of my Sons teachers at parents evening a couple of years ago and she was clearly worried about broaching a subject with me. After dancing round the houses for 5 minutes, she finally came out with the fact that she didn't think he was really trying and got away with doing the very minimum. When I agreed with her and asked her how we could work together, she couldn't beleive it and her persona changed instantly. I think she was expecting a different reaction and was delighted that someone was backing her ..... for me that's what it is all about and he ended up with an "A". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Thankfully being 25 I'm still pretty 'au fait' with the tricks of using mobiles and iPhones in school so I can spot them a mile off. You should see their faces when I tell them I too use to try to get away with listening to my earphones by running the lead down my sleeve and then resting my head in my hand. Ahahahaha, no one ever spotted me Though, with the advent of touch phones, it is much harder to text without looking, but now I am at college doing subjects that actually interest me I don't do it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 We could confiscate them but we couldn't access your messages, read them and if we felt we should, delete them. The new rules states that we can now. Big difference. Oh yeah, forgot about that when typing original post. Don't agree with that to be honest. I guess the classic "But Sir, I'm texting my Mum, it's really important!" won't work anymore then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 fuk me, I just read it in the paper..hence why I threw in....3 question marks.... question marks still mean you are asking a question...right..????????????????????????? That's alright then. If it hadn't been for the question marks I'd have thought that you were a hysterical reactionary who couldn't think for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Ah confiscating mobile phones. What a wonderful life choice that is for a job. Tiger Woods himself asked me to stop people using their phones and taking pictures. I reckon I got around 10 IPhones and 7 Blackberries on the first day I applaud Teachers who want desire and that whole Adrenalin rush of that "Oi give that to me" moment It is so more rewarding than working for a living And when they said no? Oh how I enjoyed that moment - you see my friend Mr Plod? - he wil deport you tomorrow and destroy your life. Oh how we laughed in the bar afterwards. Hell all that power. Maybe I will come back to blighty and sit in a classroom full of the unwashed and uncaring, just to get that buzz again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Thanks Micky, It's actually something I feel quite strongly about. The teacher / parent relationship should be a partnership. The onus is obviously on the parents to set the guidelines of what is and isn't acceptable, morals, ethics etc etc. but it needs to be a united front and I think nowadays teachers are to scared to exercise their powers because of fear of reprisal. That's not their fault and kids are very clued up as to what a teacher can or can't do and will (As always) push a situation to its limits. I just think those "limits" have moved far far far to much. I met one of my Sons teachers at parents evening a couple of years ago and she was clearly worried about broaching a subject with me. After dancing round the houses for 5 minutes, she finally came out with the fact that she didn't think he was really trying and got away with doing the very minimum. When I agreed with her and asked her how we could work together, she couldn't beleive it and her persona changed instantly. I think she was expecting a different reaction and was delighted that someone was backing her ..... for me that's what it is all about and he ended up with an "A". Couldn't agree more - I love my kids, but know that they are no angels. I have recently had issues with their schooling and have met with both the Headmaster and teacher to try to work towards a solution - both were very honest and helpful. Parents need to work in partnership with the education staff if they want their children to reach their full potential, as is borne out in your sons case. My first comment on this thread was along the lines of 'giving the schools back to the teachers', I stand by that, but we have an awful long way to go if this where we currently are: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Teachers-Strike-Darwen-Vale-High-School-Staff-Walk-Out-Over-Violence-And-Threats-By-Pupils/Article/201104115967755?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15967755_Teachers_Strike%3A_Darwen_Vale_High_School_Staff_Walk_Out_Over_Violence_And_Threats_By_Pupils Quite sad, shocking and disturbing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones91 Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Its good practice for the kids to not get caught, because they can then do it in the office when they are older - much safer than sending personal e-mails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Its good practice for the kids to not get caught, because they can then do it in the office when they are older - much safer than sending personal e-mails. Although probably posted in a flippant manner, you actually raise quite a good point. I have worked in numerous environments where mobile phones are banned and as such have had to surrender them at the company reception or leave them in the car. I have attended business meetings between different opposing parties where mobiles were strictly banned for fear of recording or relaying information for 3rd parties. I'm sure others have been subjected to similar measures in their working role as well. The point being - many professional companies deal with the issue of mobile phones and ban them from thier premises, thus we are not allowed to take them to work - yet our schools cannot ban our children from bringing them to their place of education, or control them once they are there - madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Although probably posted in a flippant manner, you actually raise quite a good point. I have worked in numerous environments where mobile phones are banned and as such have had to surrender them at the company reception or leave them in the car. I have attended business meetings between different opposing parties where mobiles were strictly banned for fear of recording or relaying information for 3rd parties. I'm sure others have been subjected to similar measures in their working role as well. The point being - many professional companies deal with the issue of mobile phones and ban them from thier premises, thus we are not allowed to take them to work - yet our schools cannot ban our children from bringing them to their place of education, or control them once they are there - madness. That's simply not true. That said, it's impossible to enforce unless all parents buy into the policy in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 How can schools make a blanket ban on mobiles? It just isn't enforceable unless you search every pupil before school... Anyway, i'm sure for all those companies who ban them from the premises, 99% would have them on silent in their pocket or bag! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 That's why private schools are best. You can get away with a lot more and still get decent grades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 my daughter got caught earlier on this week on her phone whilst in class. Result was a 1 hour detention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 I think my current school has the right balance: There is a blanket ban and if we see them out we take them, send the phones to the Head and the parents have to come to the school and collect them. However if we don't see them and the kids arn't using them then what is the harm? It's simply not worth the confrontation: think of how much education time would be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 (edited) I think my current school has the right balance: There is a blanket ban and if we see them out we take them, send the phones to the Head and the parents have to come to the school and collect them. However if we don't see them and the kids arn't using them then what is the harm? It's simply not worth the confrontation: think of how much education time would be lost. Not sure about having the parents come to collect them? Seems a bit much and could cause massive inconvenience for the parent for what is really not a major offence by itself. My school probably had about the right balance, if they were seen, most teachers would take them away and they would get sent to the place where they get sent in a paper bag and they would be kept there until the end of the day when you would have to collect it. Not all teachers did that. And I totally agree with you over if they aren't out and are just in the pocket, then there is no point pushing it as it just creates friction and unresponsive kids. I remember at my school when mobile phones were the new thing some teachers attempted to confiscate them during breaks! They were generally the miserable little ****s though who seemed to like being teachers for the little amount of power that it gives them. Edit: there was actually one time I was caught texting and the teacher tried to read my text, I just took the battery out and then gave it to her It was a horrendously boring lesson in my defence! Edited 7 April, 2011 by Saintandy666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Not sure about having the parents come to collect them? Seems a bit much and could cause massive inconvenience for the parent for what is really not a major offence by itself. My school probably had about the right balance, if they were seen, most teachers would take them away and they would get sent to the place where they get sent in a paper bag and they would be kept there until the end of the day when you would have to collect it. Not all teachers did that. And I totally agree with you over if they aren't out and are just in the pocket, then there is no point pushing it as it just creates friction and unresponsive kids. I remember at my school when mobile phones were the new thing some teachers attempted to confiscate them during breaks! They were generally the miserable little ****s though who seemed to like being teachers for the little amount of power that it gives them. Edit: there was actually one time I was caught texting and the teacher tried to read my text, I just took the battery out and then gave it to her It was a horrendously boring lesson in my defence! As there is a blanket ban, and the parents know this, we see it as their responsibility for making sure their children don't bring them in. The parents all sign up to the school's policies when they join in year 7, so it only ever works in the school's favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 I read that plenty of schools are adopting policies that harness the technologies that mobile phones have, such as internet and voice recording. I know of a school that allows pupils to record a summary video/audio of the lesson at the end so that can use it to revise or use dictionary apps on smart phones when writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Saw on ch4 news tonight - one school has given 600 detentions in the last 4 days in a crackdown, another the teachers are striking over discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 I blame Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 As there is a blanket ban, and the parents know this, we see it as their responsibility for making sure their children don't bring them in. The parents all sign up to the school's policies when they join in year 7, so it only ever works in the school's favour So no Mobile's at all?! What if it is just out at break or in the person's pocket? Still think it is a little bit harsh dragging the parents in when it isn't really their fault. And oh God, those dreadful useless behaviour and rights/respect/responsibility policies you had to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 I'm amazed how we managed to cope in the days before mobile phones, t'internet, etc. Banning something from schools that didn't exist 20 years ago? Golly, how will the little cherubs manage without them...? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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