benjii Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Why are they ? Basic goalkeeping coaching tells you to have your near post covered at all times - Davis does not, he constantaly gives a forward the opportunity to put the ball in at the near post. How many goals has he conceeded at the near post this season from an angle where scoring there should not be an option ? He had a much better game yesterday having said that, for the first time in ages he didnt tit around taking forever to distribute the ball and looked more assured......but that near post thing is a worry. He is far far far better than third division standard. Simple as that.
beatlesaint Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 He is far far far better than third division standard. Simple as that. Not disputing that, absolutely right, but he needs to work on positioning for the near post stuff. Adkins was a keeper, I'm sure he will have noted KD's achilies heel.
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 it looked like a defelcted shot yesterday to me
NickG Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 not seen keeper this season in league 1 would rather have.
rallyboy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 best thing I saw yesterday (apart from three goals!) was the determination we showed when up against it in injury time. Struggling against a team in top form, 2 down, turn it round - then they threw everything at us and some of the Saints teams of old would have conceded. Did we crack? No we f-cking didn't! Lallana ran himself into the ground to defend, Kelvin punched a dangerous cross into Millbrook, then Barnard ran the ball and three defenders half the length of the pitch to make the game safe. We are a good side, but even when we're struggling we are now showing real fight and that's what will drag us into second place.
Deppo Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 So let me get this right - Lee Barnard's goal where he beat the goalkeeper at the near post was excellent, but Sam Baldock's where he beat Kelvin Davis at the near post was just poor goalkeeping? I just need to know the SWF party line so that I don't deviate from it in conversations.
Barry the Badger Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I think some people are being pretty harsh on Dan Harding. Sure sone of his crossing wasn't great, but his energy was terrific and he kept providing an outlet in a very compact game. For a full back to keep getting up and down like that takes a lot of stamina and even when the crosses weren't coming off he kept on trying rather than disappearing into his shell. And who is that busting a gut to overlap for our second goal? Oh, it's Dan Harding.
dubai_phil Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Why are they ? Basic goalkeeping coaching tells you to have your near post covered at all times - Davis does not, he constantaly gives a forward the opportunity to put the ball in at the near post. How many goals has he conceeded at the near post this season from an angle where scoring there should not be an option ? He had a much better game yesterday having said that, for the first time in ages he didnt tit around taking forever to distribute the ball and looked more assured......but that near post thing is a worry. Goal keeper in "Beaten by a Deflection Shocker" Quite a few more respected posters had a dig on here at KD about his being beaten. Yet NA and the press reports tell us it came off Butters foot. TBH the day that a Goalkeeper starts to check his angles so that he can cover a shot AND a deflection...... Just shows that in football what you see or what you hear isn't always what happened. More worryingly, why did all our at the match reporters and Solent crew forget to tell us who was at fault for their first goal. NA clearly blames ONE player for not doing his marking job, yet no attempt to find who that player was and then criticise him and dig at him in the way that many have (WRONGLY in this case)had digs at KD Oh and it's all on the OS in NA's reaction if you need a link to find that WTF are you doing on this forum?
JustMike Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 So let me get this right - Lee Barnard's goal where he beat the goalkeeper at the near post was excellent, but Sam Baldock's where he beat Kelvin Davis at the near post was just poor goalkeeping? I just need to know the SWF party line so that I don't deviate from it in conversations. 2 very different goals.
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 2 very different goals. yeah, the one kelvin let in took a deflection..
S-Clarke Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Joe Lewis is supposed to be the best keeper in this league, but he is pulling off clangers right left and center. You will not find a faultless player at this level, if that's what certain people are looking for then you're supporting the wrong team.
NickG Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Joe Lewis may become very good keeper, don't think he is near to Kelvin yet.
um pahars Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 You will not find a faultless player at this level, if that's what certain people are looking for then you're supporting the wrong team. Although Lallana (and then Fonte) must be the closest thing to it. I don't think people are actually looking for the faultless player and most I have seen have been fair in their assessments of players' performances (particularly when we have seen the same players and team play much better) and at worst pointing out who hasn't played at their optimum. I also accept that players are fallible, particularly at this level, and that it is much harder to be consistent. I interpret most of these types of posts as a fair and honest opinion of what people have seen (ignoring the few barbed weirdos) and not some sort of bitter tirade. If anything, I find those who attack those giving their honest opinion as rather more strange. As for Davis, I can't think of anyone in this division who I would swap him with (and only a few in the Division above), but that doesn't mean people shouldn't express their opinion (and even their doubts) about his performance yesterday. I thought his distribution was really good yesterday, an area he sometimes get criticism for, but I think even he will be disappointed by being beaten at the near post. I was sat in the Kingsland in line with Baldock and Davis showed him too much of the goal. Butterfield giving Baldock too much room, a tiny deflection and even it being a good strike doesn't take away the fact that I think Davis should have got something on it (IMHO of course). I was in the same position for the Posh goal at their place which seemed very similar.
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 best thing I saw yesterday (apart from three goals!) was the determination we showed when up against it in injury time. Struggling against a team in top form, 2 down, turn it round - then they threw everything at us and some of the Saints teams of old would have conceded. Did we crack? No we f-cking didn't! Lallana ran himself into the ground to defend, Kelvin punched a dangerous cross into Millbrook, then Barnard ran the ball and three defenders half the length of the pitch to make the game safe. We are a good side, but even when we're struggling we are now showing real fight and that's what will drag us into second place. This.
shurlock Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I think some people are being pretty harsh on Dan Harding. Sure sone of his crossing wasn't great, but his energy was terrific and he kept providing an outlet in a very compact game. For a full back to keep getting up and down like that takes a lot of stamina and even when the crosses weren't coming off he kept on trying rather than disappearing into his shell. And who is that busting a gut to overlap for our second goal? Oh, it's Dan Harding. Totally agree - most of our good work came down the left and harding always made himself a willing option for the pass or overlap. Not only did he set up our 2nd but fizzed in some dangerous balls in the first half. Yes he overhit a fair few; but others were down to Lambert and Barnard arriving too late (or in Lambert's case waiting on the edge of the box with his hands on his hips).
View From The Top Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I thought Harding had an excellent game yesterday. Both Butterfield and Harding were top notch.
corky morris Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I thought we were decent for 15 minutes. Poor for the next 30 & then when Adkins let Lambert & Barnard play as a pair & stopped the diamond nonsense we were decent again. I have heard said that this game could be the defining game of the season. Well to take it a stage further - their free kick hitting the bar may well be the defining moment. Lallana is the best player in this division & what has Rickie got to do to get free kick?????
crouchi Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Watched the Peterborough highlights and Joe Lewis had a nightmare - worse than comedy Kelvin on a bad day.Our game was all about our ridiculous starting formation that delivered no clear cut goalscoring opportunities and our inability to pass to our own players. Chaplow probably the worst, but others not far behind. Hope NA will change the set up for Tuesday when a win will set us up nicely for the run in.
rick1976.4.38 Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 i just want to say that the loosing mentality we used to have seems to have gone under na.teams of old would have folded at 2-0 but this team dont give up.its been a bumpy ride for awhile but after yesterday lets start enjoying it and stop the moaning.football is about mistakes.we are on the up and hats off to all at sms.roll on tuesday and then saturday and leyton orient and the bus is heading in the right direction,second spot,wifm,coys
sperm_john Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 that has got to rate as one of the best games ive ever seen in terms of pure enjoyment ....stato's out there, when was the last time we came back from 2 nill down to win 3-2 at st marys? has that ever even happened?
Viking Warrior Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I lost a fiver yesterday . Bet on alps being positive for once Stupid bet really bu my accumulater is still secure £10 on home to say nothing positive for the whole season Bookies are realyt worried as I stand to gain £250
Jonnyboy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I thought Harding had an excellent game yesterday. Both Butterfield and Harding were top notch. Those two and Barnard were best IMO. Forte fair play for being keen, right place right time Lambert and Guly arguing not good to see. Guly not clinical, Lambert not looking as fit as a month ago. Their goalie was taking ages on goal kicks even before they scored. Not sure why they took their no.10 after he scored? he looked most threatening. Amazing atmosphere 10/10 for Northam and Kingsland North!
um pahars Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Not sure why they took their no.10 after he scored? he looked most threatening. have to agree that I think their manager made an error and went defensive after their second inviting us on to them. He'd taken off Vine and replaced him with a midfielder and then took Baldock off and replaced him with a winger.
Jonnyboy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Lambert lost his cool because Guly is sh*t and selfish. no, because guly was doing clever passes that lambert was quick enough to anticipate/get to although tbf guly has the body language of balotelli
Nexstar Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 no, because guly was doing clever passes that lambert was quick enough to anticipate/get to although tbf guly has the body language of balotelli Guly is pretty stupid if he thinks Lambert had the turn of pace to be able to reach those balls. They went straight to the keeper
Appy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Guly is pretty stupid if he thinks Lambert had the turn of pace to be able to reach those balls. They went straight to the keeper This. Guly's decision making at times beggars belief.
Norm Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Funniest thing I saw yesterday, was a chap in front of me (with the biggest beer gut ever seen!) tear up his betting slip as we went 2 down. Then as we got to 3-2, he was on the ground, looking for the bits of the slip! I overheard him say, "Oh .... it, I had a bet on a Saints win!"
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Funniest thing I saw yesterday, was a chap in front of me (with the biggest beer gut ever seen!) tear up his betting slip as we went 2 down. Then as we got to 3-2, he was on the ground, looking for the bits of the slip! I overheard him say, "Oh .... it, I had a bet on a Saints win!" i 'bet' he was really angry haha what am i like?
OldNick Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 So let me get this right - Lee Barnard's goal where he beat the goalkeeper at the near post was excellent, but Sam Baldock's where he beat Kelvin Davis at the near post was just poor goalkeeping? I just need to know the SWF party line so that I don't deviate from it in conversations.LOL , i also would add that the fans who rate Cech didnt notice the Stoke goal. IMO Butterfield didnt close the lad down and he put in a superb shot to score. I suspect KD would rather have saved it but he like most expected the ball across the goal.
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 So let me get this right - Lee Barnard's goal where he beat the goalkeeper at the near post was excellent, but Sam Baldock's where he beat Kelvin Davis at the near post was just poor goalkeeping? I just need to know the SWF party line so that I don't deviate from it in conversations. Barnard's was in front of goal, their's was to the left. There was a very slight deflection, but it was a big gap and I suspect that Kelvin, like me, thought that he would go for a cross-shot.
SaintBobby Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 that has got to rate as one of the best games ive ever seen in terms of pure enjoyment ....stato's out there, when was the last time we came back from 2 nill down to win 3-2 at st marys? has that ever even happened? We came back from 0-2 to beat Fulham 4-2 in the Premiership.
Appy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Looking at some of the Cvnts that were mocking Forte when he came on. Morons.
Appy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 We came back from 0-2 to beat Fulham 4-2 in the Premiership. Preston 08/09.
OldNick Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Funny that our first sub took so long as Forte was waiting on the sidelines to come on. LB looked as though he was going off and went to do so, some of the fans booed and NA seemed IMO then to change his mind Lol. It then took an age to get Forte on. I would have taken LB off as i thought he was ineffective. Of course he did score the third goal but that could have been any forward in his position. Im glad Forte has scored and it might make him gain the confidence needed to help us push on. Also i felt the fans stood behind the team even when it looked like we were doomed to failure. This is a fantastic change as in the past they would have turned on the team.well done to the Northam Kingsland who sang us to victory. Very supportive and will help us in our task ahead.
OldNick Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 More worryingly, why did all our at the match reporters and Solent crew forget to tell us who was at fault for their first goal. NA clearly blames ONE player for not doing his marking job, yet no attempt to find who that player was and then criticise him and dig at him in the way that many have (WRONGLY in this case)had digs at KD Phil after watching the highlights it seems to me that it was Jaidi who left the man free. As for the defelection, I dont feel that made a difference, it was a chrisp shot and a good goal.
OldNick Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Oh another thing, Im glad they didnt bring the big strong speedy forward on sooner, he looked a decnt player and didnt let the team settle. McKenzie their centre half was good and reminded me of a young Jim Steele. Perhaps we need to raid them if we go up.
hasper57saint Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Thought ref was good although they will probably be angry he didn't give them a pen. This "time wasting" stuff is rubbish that surfaces whenever we are not in front. They were taking no longer than normal. Ho! Really. Their keeper was wasting time from the first moment he collected the ball. On one of his goal kicks he actually took 58 seconds before he replaced the ball. Look at your time piece and see how long 58 seconds is!
Appy Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Funny that our first sub took so long as Forte was waiting on the sidelines to come on. LB looked as though he was going off and went to do so, some of the fans booed and NA seemed IMO then to change his mind Lol. It then took an age to get Forte on. I would have taken LB off as i thought he was ineffective. Of course he did score the third goal but that could have been any forward in his position. Im glad Forte has scored and it might make him gain the confidence needed to help us push on. Also i felt the fans stood behind the team even when it looked like we were doomed to failure. This is a fantastic change as in the past they would have turned on the team.well done to the Northam Kingsland who sang us to victory. Very supportive and will help us in our task ahead. It was because Rowan Vine was being subbed for MK, he is their number 9.
OldNick Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 It was because Rowan Vine was being subbed for MK, he is their number 9. It did take a long time, after all Forte was standing ready to come on at the same time. There were at least 2 other occasions where he could have come but didnt. I felt that NA changed his mind but your theory does seem to fit
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 It was because Rowan Vine was being subbed for MK, he is their number 9. Correct.
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Ho! Really. Their keeper was wasting time from the first moment he collected the ball. On one of his goal kicks he actually took 58 seconds before he replaced the ball. Look at your time piece and see how long 58 seconds is! He was taking as long as he could, but he was no worse than KD has been earlier this season. He was far better yesterday.
Liquidshokk Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 It did take a long time, after all Forte was standing ready to come on at the same time. There were at least 2 other occasions where he could have come but didnt. I felt that NA changed his mind but your theory does seem to fit Theory is definately correct, as soon as Barnard realised it was 9 for MK Dons he turned back around. Think Adkins was just waiting for the right time to get forte on for impact.
Liquidshokk Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 He was taking as long as he could, but he was no worse than KD has been earlier this season. He was far better yesterday. Was funny listening to everyone around me moaning about their keeper taking so long and then I for one wanting kelvin to keep it as long as poss when we were 3-2 up
derry Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 I really wonder what you expect sometimes.... And I wonder when you don't go, how you have the neck to make a comment. I expect a bloody sight better than the abysmal display of the first hour yesterday. We got out of jail but that doesn't mean we are going to be able to continue doing it. We are scraping by and unless we improve we could come a cropper.
yorkie Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 Held off saying anything until now. I thought Kelvin's kicking and throwing were the best I have seen for ages. Also thought Harding and Butterfield did really well but the delivery seemed awry or there was no one there. Too many crosses too close to their keeper. Not sure about the diamond formation as Guly clearly doesn't understand what he needs to do. Lambert - sure he didn't score and some of the passing to him was a little optimistic! What does he (and Barnard) have to do to win a free-kick? Chappers doesn't seem to be able to work the diamond either - he spends too much time chasing the ball and losing the midfield to opponents. Hammonds petulence cost him a silly booking - but only after the MKDons player asked the ref to book him for kicking it out! Talking after the game - some thought Kelvin had the free kick that hit the bar covered? Personally I thought Fonte should have been penalised and they should have had a penalty before the end...and then a handball for the melay afterwards. Got to say all emotions covered - but the elation at the final whistle made the 500-mile round trip worth it again... Although it may be premature to start singing "we are going up" with 9-games left - it did feel fantsatic!
Goalie66 Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 We were 2-o against Fulham in the Prem and won 4-2. On TV too. Beattie got a hatrick I think
Saintandy666 Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't call Adkins changes inspired, as even I could see that Chaplow and Butterfield were clear weak links. But either way, the changes did swing the game decisively our way. Does Jaidi ever miss a ball?! His success rate is ridiculous. Also... time to drop Lambert. Edited 3 April, 2011 by Saintandy666
Saintandy666 Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 drop lambert for who exactly...? That is a good point... not enough depth up front. One area where we are fine for this league, but if we were to get promoted would need to strengthen.
benjii Posted 3 April, 2011 Posted 3 April, 2011 And I wonder when you don't go, how you have the neck to make a comment. I expect a bloody sight better than the abysmal display of the first hour yesterday. We got out of jail but that doesn't mean we are going to be able to continue doing it. We are scraping by and unless we improve we could come a cropper. "Abysmal first hour"... Mental!
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