Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 (edited) im sorry, but the JPT is no measure of success for us...no way. would you welcome the brentford manager (who ever it is) with open arms..I would you happily take the carlise manager (who ever it is) in the back of which ever one win the JPT this year.. saying that, when was the last time a team that got promoted was even in the JPT final..? Edited 29 March, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 Are you a bit mental? Cortese clearly had his reasons to sack Pardew, and in any case he wasn't exactly rocketing us up the table before he left was he? I'll assume you are just one of the more 'special' posters on this wonderful forum. You're right he wasn't in first place after three games he should have been shot not fired...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 If Adkins doesn't take us up he'll do it next season, even with a hugely weakened squad. Losing quality then getting promotion might wake some people up to our biggest problem - the expectation levels. Oh dear... take me back to the Dell. Do you think Real Madrid fans suffer from an inferiority complex?? YOUR Team is the Real Madrid or Chelsea of this league. Did we ask for it? Not me. But here we are, your CHAIRMAN and MANAGER stated THEIR aim was to WIN THE LEAGUE. Sorry if that offends you, I was happy beating United every three seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 Cortese will probably be the one that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 LGTC, stop being a prat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 im sorry, but the JPT is no measure of success for us...no way. would you welcome the brentford manager (who ever it is) with open arms..I would you happily take the carlise manager (who ever it is) in the back of which ever one win the JPT this year.. saying that, when was the last time a team that got promoted was even in the JPT final..? Pardew had a much bigger rebuilding job to do than Adkins, and a small problem of -10. I'm not saying one's a better manager than another, just that there were no clear reasons for sacking Pardew and the start of the season was a mess that could cost us promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 Pardew had a much bigger rebuilding job to do than Adkins, and a small problem of -10. I'm not saying one's a better manager than another, just that there were no clear reasons for sacking Pardew and the start of the season was a mess that could cost us promotion. with that, pardew was only expected to gain 6th spot...adkins is under pressure to get 1st......if adkins gains 2nd spot, he would have done one better than pardew IMO.....if we dont go up, then like for like IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 LGTC, stop being a prat Careful, I know the man who builds your submarines. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 If Adkins doesn't take us up he'll do it next season, even with a hugely weakened squad. Losing quality then getting promotion might wake some people up to our biggest problem - the expectation levels. Yes the sooner we get back to the PL, and can enjoy being the big boys ***** again the sooner we saints fans can settle back in to our comfortable "lets hope we avoid relegation again this season" mindset, the better hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 Yes the sooner we get back to the PL, and can enjoy being the big boys ***** again the sooner we saints fans can settle back in to our comfortable "lets hope we avoid relegation again this season" mindset, the better hey. it was not like that all the time was it.....why do people assume the min we get back that we will just go back to being happy with 17th all the time..? were you happy with 17th the year before we got relegated...that was with rupert lowe and rory record signing delap.... ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 Pardew had a much bigger rebuilding job to do than Adkins, and a small problem of -10. I'm not saying one's a better manager than another, just that there were no clear reasons for sacking Pardew and the start of the season was a mess that could cost us promotion. In a much stronger league to boot........ Nigels not doing a bad job, but I don't think he is doing anything too special either, he's hardly got it as rough as some people would have us think. Getting of this league is the easy bit (or should be) next season is when it starts getting hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 In a much stronger league to boot........ Nigels not doing a bad job, but I don't think he is doing anything too special either, he's hardly got it as rough as some people would have us think. Getting of this league is the easy bit (or should be) next season is when it starts getting hard. was it feck...norwich aside, not a great deal of difference... it will be more points required (probably) to stay up and go up......and nearly every position in the league has more or equal points at this time last season than they do now. not much in it at all just look how much better league 1 side did in the cups this season..orient, brentford etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 was it feck...norwich aside, not a great deal of difference... it will be more points required (probably) to stay up and go up......and nearly every position in the league has more or equal points at this time last season than they do now. not much in it at all just look how much better league 1 side did in the cups this season..orient, brentford etc etc We've had a whole thread about this you where the only one who felt the league wasn't weaker than last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 I think he'll be gone if we miss out on promotion. Early on in the off season too. Think NC would try and get someone else in early to try and avoid drama. Wouldn't surprise me if he went for a foreign manager either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 (edited) We've had a whole thread about this you where the only one who felt the league wasn't weaker than last season. no i was not...but it cant be weaker..more points required to go up, stay up, get 10th place...league 1 teams did better in the cups this year..norwich apart it cant be "so much" stronger"...that just suits an arguement. when a danny wilson Swindon teams gets a playoffs spot..it is not "so much" stronger Edited 29 March, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 it was not like that all the time was it.....why do people assume the min we get back that we will just go back to being happy with 17th all the time..? were you happy with 17th the year before we got relegated...that was with rupert lowe and rory record signing delap.... ffs Becuase anyone on here who dares to claim we should have won the league and be beating teams like Walsall this season is an arragont c unt with expectations that are to high apparently. So if we're saying that in league 1 for FFS, were we are arguably the biggest team in the league. Why are we going to start having expectations in the PL? We make enough excuses for failure down here it ain't going to get any easy higher up the divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 If Adkins doesn't take us up he'll do it next season, even with a hugely weakened squad. Losing quality then getting promotion might wake some people up to our biggest problem - the expectation levels. What an odd comment. What exactly do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 no i was not...but it cant be weaker..more points required to go up, stay up, get 10th place...league 1 teams did better in the cups this year..norwich apart it cant be "so much" stronger"...that just suits an arguement. when a danny wilson Swindon teams gets a playoffs spot..it is not "so much" stronger Carefully side stepping the fact they had the best strike partnership in the league last season which they broke up in the summer. I notice you haven't mentioned Leeds or even Millwall from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 (edited) Carefully side stepping the fact they had the best strike partnership in the league last season which they broke up in the summer. I notice you haven't mentioned Leeds or even Millwall from last season. I thought we had that...no norwich with holt and hoolahan....leeds with bechio and beckford...hudderfield with rhodes and roberts.. they did not have the best two.....they had two very good strikers..but a team made up loans.... as for leeds...I believe we are just as good as them...peterborough are better than millwall imo...norwich were by far the best team this year and last.. orient are miles better than colchester (who finished 5th or 6tth last year) and they are not even in the playoffs..their cup form shows they are a bloody good team with the weekends defeat at home something like the 2nd home loss since september..!!! Edited 29 March, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 no i was not...but it cant be weaker..more points required to go up, stay up, get 10th place...league 1 teams did better in the cups this year..norwich apart it cant be "so much" stronger"...that just suits an arguement. when a danny wilson Swindon teams gets a playoffs spot..it is not "so much" stronger Half of Swindon's defence is now called Brighton's defence, we weren't the only ones who took top players from last season's rivals,except that Paynter and Greer are still doing it for Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 I think he will probably be fired if we don't get promoted. And he probably should be fired. His points per game total is okay, but not great. With our resources, we should be getting more points per game than most other (all?) teams in all divisions. I think we're about 80% to go up though, so it's a moot point. Btw, I don't totally dismiss the idea that he might get us promoted and still be fired. This would be seriously harsh. But if, for (exaggerated) example, the next stage of the plan is to spend £20m on new players then one might conclude Adkins isn't the man to do it. By way of analogy, I can well believe that the manager who is the right man to get us promoted from the Championship might not be the right man for Saints in the Premiership. I think the difference between the Championship and League One is less stark, but they are still very real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 I think he will probably be fired if we don't get promoted. And he probably should be fired. His points per game total is okay, but not great. With our resources, we should be getting more points per game than most other (all?) teams in all divisions. I think we're about 80% to go up though, so it's a moot point. Btw, I don't totally dismiss the idea that he might get us promoted and still be fired. This would be seriously harsh. But if, for (exaggerated) example, the next stage of the plan is to spend £20m on new players then one might conclude Adkins isn't the man to do it. By way of analogy, I can well believe that the manager who is the right man to get us promoted from the Championship might not be the right man for Saints in the Premiership. I think the difference between the Championship and League One is less stark, but they are still very real Thats an interesting point. I always envisaged Pardew as being Cortese's idea of a manager who could take us up through the divisions and provide continuity throughout without chopping and changing. Its hard to imagine another manager with the sort of experience he had at all levels being available to a L1 side when the Pardew situation went pear shaped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 Yes - he'll get fired. Be for the best really, because if he didn't, then you can guarantee he'd get the sack with 8 weeks of next season, first or second time we didn't win a game....and where would that leave us [deja vu]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 I think he will probably be fired if we don't get promoted. And he probably should be fired. His points per game total is okay, but not great. With our resources, we should be getting more points per game than most other (all?) teams in all divisions. I think we're about 80% to go up though, so it's a moot point. Btw, I don't totally dismiss the idea that he might get us promoted and still be fired. This would be seriously harsh. But if, for (exaggerated) example, the next stage of the plan is to spend £20m on new players then one might conclude Adkins isn't the man to do it. By way of analogy, I can well believe that the manager who is the right man to get us promoted from the Championship might not be the right man for Saints in the Premiership. I think the difference between the Championship and League One is less stark, but they are still very real he is! Poyet and Fergie senior are only managers bettering him! If you think that's grounds for sacking how many managers next season??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 There's no may about it. Our team is worth ten times our nearest rival. If we don't go up, we should fold the club and start playing tiddlywinks. Seriously. Er, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 some people paint NC as some sort of dastardly Bond baddie...carefully plotting his next move in calm, measured manor... maybe him and pardew just simply did not get on..wont be the first time in football..certainly wont be the last...he and nige appear too.... Those people are very wrong. He is worse than that. But then he is OUR Bond Baddie so we don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 some people paint NC as some sort of dastardly Bond baddie...carefully plotting his next move in calm, measured manor... maybe him and pardew just simply did not get on..wont be the first time in football..certainly wont be the last...he and nige appear too.... Those people are very wrong. He is worse than that. But then he is OUR Bond Baddie so we don't care I thought NC was the hero? I thought Lawire Mac, Matty and the kabal of Darkness were the bond baddies trying to destroy SFC so they could get free tickets to matches............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 From October, when Pardew had assembled his squad until the end of the season we were the best or second best team in the league on results. Even with the first two months of the season wasted, we were from memory third top scorers and had the second best defence (or other way around). But I agree we still lost and drew games I felt we should have won. That's because we're a League One side...and even the best League One players are inconsistent. When he was fired I was furious because you could predict that all his hard work in building a squad could have been undone. Instead, Adkins turned up and has really done an incredible job. However, those three games when Wilkins was in charge and the first game against MK Dons could easily cost us automatic promotion. If they do, Cortese should apologise to the fans. HE should have fired Pardew in June. That's my big issue. Because I also agree Pardew is an unlikeable bloke who would have jumped at the Newcastle job whenever it was offered. I would say we are a slightly better team under Adkins, simply because we have managed to grind out a few results that previously we would have not. But why does Cortese have to apologise for his actions in sacking Pardew, that was perfectly acceptable to me. The reason I don't believe Cortese will sack Adkins is exactly why he never sacked Pardew at the end of the season. The football is as good, if not slightly more effective in collecting points and he does not have any arguments about concentrating on the cups. When we went into this season the disagreement about priorities had been put to bed and Cortese still saw Pardew as the right manager to take the club forward. It was the subsequent fook up on damaging the players in pre season that got Pardew the sack. If you are saying that Pardew should have been sacked immediately from the claims that Pardew was damaging the players in pre season, don't you see the problems there. Cortese would have been told by Pardew that all will be ok by the start of the season and just how is Cortese supposed to make his mind up between the two factions? Come the start of the season it was a plain as a pikestaff who was correct and Pardew was sacked for making another major fook up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 I dobbt very much if Cortese would sack Adkins if we do not get promoted . Adkins has got the team playing well and if we do not get promoted from here it will be down to reasons which he can not affect Loss of Form by Players Bad errors by Players Poor decision by match officials Opposition teams having luck and playing exceptionally well Injuries and Suspensions Whether he is the manager to take SFC to the PL is of course open to debate but he does have a contract so perhaps Cortese thinks so and he is the one who makes the decisions. Although I think we will be promoted if we dont the main reason will be the poor start to the season which must be attributed to the Pardew/Cortese situation wich Cortse handled badly As I said this time last season if he wanted to sack Pardew because he could not work with him he that was a perfect valid decision. But to go on to pontificate in the press that he never had any thoughts of doing so then to sack him in August which seriously jeopardised team spirit was wrong. Sacking Pardew was not the wrong decision but sacking him in August was - We should thank Adkins for getting us a winning team and perhaps if him or someone else had been appointed last summer we would like Brighton be already guaranteed promotioni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 I don't mean it's wrong for the fans/board to have those expectations, I mean we have a problem with the players ability to deal with it. At Madrid, Chelsea, whoever, you have great expectations but usually sign players used to playing at the very top, winners, those experienced in that pressure. In League 1, even with money, we weren't necessary signing people used to winning. Even Lambert, who has been a great signing, doesn't have a history of promotions etc. It takes time to get that mentality. I'm not asking to go back to the dell, I think you missed the point. Having lofty ambitions is a good thing, there's no point settling for rubbish. BUT, I just have a feeling that if we did stay in league 1 and lose a lot of good players, in the aftermath of the mass suicide on here, I think we'd actually see a winning team. Not the preferred method, not by any means, but my point is all is not lost if we do fck it up this season. I do agree Adrian - I was being ironic which is probably not wise after a Jack Daniels or three... My point, badly put, is that many of us had LOW (no e!) expectations as Saints fans. I count myself among them. I was not 'happy' avoiding relegation, but under WGS I thought we reached the limit of my expectation of us as a club. I couldn't see us ever competing with the big 'ten' - we simply don't have the fanbase. When Lowe said that he wanted Strachan's replacement to be a man who could 'come to places like this and win' (said in the Old Trafford media suite), I knew he was barking. I thought we would be a good mid-Premiership side who might nick a cup along the way. I was happy with that... Scroll forward and now that we have a Chairman with a five year plan, stated and a manager who also stated it was his plan to win the league, I just want them to fecking well get on with it! Despite what Benji says above, our side is worth TEN times any other side in this league. Chamberlain - £10-15m Lallana - £10m In two players our side is worth £25million (without a million pound forward, million pound centre back, Premierhsip keeper and so on) - seriously no matter how good some other sides may appear, none of them can match our spending. We took Rickie and TREBLED his salary!!! In 2010 we were the 10TH highest spending club in England!! On this basis, and given the stated intent, we genuinely are the Chelsea or REAL of this league and anything other than winning it is frankly a bit pants... I don't like it. Because now I sound like a fecking Chelsea fan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 I would say we are a slightly better team under Adkins, simply because we have managed to grind out a few results that previously we would have not. But why does Cortese have to apologise for his actions in sacking Pardew, that was perfectly acceptable to me. The reason I don't believe Cortese will sack Adkins is exactly why he never sacked Pardew at the end of the season. The football is as good, if not slightly more effective in collecting points and he does not have any arguments about concentrating on the cups. When we went into this season the disagreement about priorities had been put to bed and Cortese still saw Pardew as the right manager to take the club forward. It was the subsequent fook up on damaging the players in pre season that got Pardew the sack. If you are saying that Pardew should have been sacked immediately from the claims that Pardew was damaging the players in pre season, don't you see the problems there. Cortese would have been told by Pardew that all will be ok by the start of the season and just how is Cortese supposed to make his mind up between the two factions? Come the start of the season it was a plain as a pikestaff who was correct and Pardew was sacked for making another major fook up. Everything you have said is PURE conjecture. All that we KNOW for a FACT is we fired a manager three games into a season, after a 4-0 away victory. Any sane observer would question the validity of that action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 sorry, lallana and chambo are not worth £25m for the pair..they simply are not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 sorry, lallana and chambo are not worth £25m for the pair..they simply are not.. I can only go by what numbers are quoted in the press... I don't intend to buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 I can only go by what numbers are quoted in the press... I don't intend to buy them. the press...yes, we are for sale according to some of that lot.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 the press...yes, we are for sale according to some of that lot.. Everything's for sale DD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 Everything's for sale DD! are you flirting with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 sorry, lallana and chambo are not worth £25m for the pair..they simply are not.. I agree not even £10 m I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire&skill Posted 30 March, 2011 Share Posted 30 March, 2011 Half of Swindon's defence is now called Brighton's defence, we weren't the only ones who took top players from last season's rivals,except that Paynter and Greer are still doing it for Brighton. Painter was at Swansea - not Swindon - and he went to Brighton after dropping out of Swansea's first team due to injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 Originally Posted by up and away I would say we are a slightly better team under Adkins, simply because we have managed to grind out a few results that previously we would have not. But why does Cortese have to apologise for his actions in sacking Pardew, that was perfectly acceptable to me. The reason I don't believe Cortese will sack Adkins is exactly why he never sacked Pardew at the end of the season. The football is as good, if not slightly more effective in collecting points and he does not have any arguments about concentrating on the cups. When we went into this season the disagreement about priorities had been put to bed and Cortese still saw Pardew as the right manager to take the club forward. It was the subsequent fook up on damaging the players in pre season that got Pardew the sack. If you are saying that Pardew should have been sacked immediately from the claims that Pardew was damaging the players in pre season, don't you see the problems there. Cortese would have been told by Pardew that all will be ok by the start of the season and just how is Cortese supposed to make his mind up between the two factions? Come the start of the season it was a plain as a pikestaff who was correct and Pardew was sacked for making another major fook up. Everything you have said is PURE conjecture. All that we KNOW for a FACT is we fired a manager three games into a season, after a 4-0 away victory. Any sane observer would question the validity of that action. Several at one of Cortese's fans dinners said the reason Pardew was sacked, being because Pardew went against other professional advice that he was doing more damage than good in pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 Several at one of Cortese's fans dinners said the reason Pardew was sacked, being because Pardew went against other professional advice that he was doing more damage than good in pre season. No-one actually posted that on here at the time though ? And we've had someone from on here at all of them as far as I'm aware ? Not that I'm arguing with the rumour... the outcomes were all too evident, though I still have no idea if the consensus is that Pardew overworked them or if he didn't work them hard enough... and even so, the rumour was out there that Pardew was going long before he was actually sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McGrath's Jockstrap Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 The key point here is that the Executive Management of Saints will not take the bullet if we do not get promoted. There is one person that will have to take the bulletand that is Adkins. He knew that when he came to the club and he has done a half decent job since coming here.It is not about fairness - it's about business, and the one thing that Cortese will not accept is losing face personally about not getting promotion. I think the point about what happens if we DO go up is just as interesting. The club will need a serious amount of investment in new players to build around the nucleus of some of the players that could be regarded as top 6 Championship players (eg Fonte / Llalana). The issue will be - does Adkins have enough credentials/"kerb appeal" to attract players of a similar level to come to play for us?. Have to say I am not sure about that and I suspect that if we do go up Cortese will be itching on the trigger pre Xmas 2011 to make a change to a "higher profile" manager if results are not good. The indicator will be how much money he gives him close season if we do go up - too little and I think the writing will be on the wall for Adkins - who'd be a footie manager eh?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 1 April, 2011 Share Posted 1 April, 2011 he is! Poyet and Fergie senior are only managers bettering him! If you think that's grounds for sacking how many managers next season??? I don't think most of the 92 league teams can realistically expect to get more points per game than anyone else. This season, Saints should have. 3rd's not awful, but all things are relative (e.g. I'm guessing c.65th for Blackpool would be considered a triumph) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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