Will Cortese send adkins on his way should we not secure promotion?

[Thedelldays]

People only rave about how consistent Peterborough have been since Ferguson returned. They were well out of it at that point.

 

Err, no they were not

[NickG]

they weren't!

[NickG]

they were 4 points of 2nd with game in hand

 

 

 

 

They are now 4 points of 2nd with game in hand!

[scotty]

If we don't go up this season, we will NEVER go up, so it doesn't matter.

 

what a load of crap

 

He may have a point TDD, but I hope we wont have to test it.

[jam]

Err, no they were not

 

they weren't!

 

 

You're right, I thought I remembered them being lower than that. But that wasn't the point of my reply.

 

they were 4 points of 2nd with game in hand

 

 

 

 

They are now 4 points of 2nd with game in hand!

 

And how have we done in that time by that measure? The point was, since Fergie Jr returned, they've gone from being 4 points behind us to 1 point ahead.

 

If we win our games in hand then we'll easily make that back but Walsall hasn't set a good precedent for that, has it?

[NickG]

They have gone from behind us to ahead by playing 3 games more. They have only gained 5 points on us by playing 3 games - in other words falling behind!

 

Hate this not appreciating how well we are doing and bigging up other managers!

 

Fergie has been manager for 16 games - taking over side on verge of automatic promotion.

 

In those games he has earnt 30 points. Impressive.

 

Adkins in last 16 games has earnt 35 points! Very impressive!

 

So this great manager fergie has earnt 5 less points than Adkins has in their last 16 games.

[um pahars]

Ferguson's and Adkins points hauls have been similar since they were both appointed - DF 1.88 points per game, NA 1.97 (that would equate to 3 extra points over Adkins tenure).

 

If you take it from Ferguson's appointment, it is even closer - DF 1.88, NA 1.92 (that would equate to less than a point over Ferguson's tenure).

 

Of course that doesn't tell you the while story as there are many other factors to consider - what team did they inherit, what teams have they played in those "snapshots", what resources are there at their disposal etc etc etc.

 

Personally, I'm not over enamoured with "matching" Darren Ferguson given our resources, ambition etc.

[doddisalegend]

They have gone from behind us to ahead by playing 3 games more. They have only gained 5 points on us by playing 3 games - in other words falling behind!

 

Hate this not appreciating how well we are doing and bigging up other managers!

 

Fergie has been manager for 16 games - taking over side on verge of automatic promotion.

 

In those games he has earnt 30 points. Impressive.

 

Adkins in last 16 games has earnt 35 points! Very impressive!

 

So this great manager fergie has earnt 5 less points than Adkins has in their last 16 games.

 

Doesn't take into account the difference in squads though, take out CMS and Boyd and Poshs team is well not that great really. How much is the saints team valued at compared to our rivals in this league. Anyone managing saints in this league should be doing well considering what they have at the disposal. Granted a manager can **** up even with a large expensive team, with no cash flow worries, top trainning facilites, top sports science/medical facilites and a great staduim with the highest average home gates of the season. Bearing all that in mind I wouldn't get to excited by him doing well for those same reasons. When you compare it to what Brighton, bompey, posh etc have achieved with far far less.

[scott_saints]

Ferguson is a c**t.

 

This is the only stat I have available to me.

[Supersubpuckett]

Ferguson is a c**t.

 

This is the only stat I have available to me.

 

LOL

 

We'd already lost four league games by the time Nige climbed on board, based on form under him those games would be worth about 9 points which would put us well clear in second with three games in hand.

 

If anything he is under-rated, especially as he inherited a squad which was arguably low on morale and of questionable fitness.

[adrian lord]

If we don't go up there will be a mass exodus of players,only to be replaced by lesser talented ones.

Adkins may do better with those players and get them to perform above their ability a'la Scunny. He certainly has not got the best out of the ones currently at his disposal.

I feel his shortcomings will be fully exposed next season,if we gain promotion.

I will be very curious to see if he can attract the players required to kick us on in the Championship.

If we don't succeed in promotion he has failed enormously.

Stability is the key,however,i feel we will languish for a considerable time in this league, under his stewardship.

Let's hope it does not come to this.

He has not lived up to the incredibly high billing layed at his door by many on here when he was appointed.

I remain underwhelmed.

He will deserve a modicum of praise if he gets us up,but tbh,we should expect nothing less,should we?

 

This just about sums it up. Good post.

[NickG]

Ferguson is a c**t.

 

This is the only stat I have available to me.

 

LOL

 

We'd already lost four league games by the time Nige climbed on board, based on form under him those games would be worth about 9 points which would put us well clear in second with three games in hand.

 

If anything he is under-rated, especially as he inherited a squad which was arguably low on morale and of questionable fitness.

 

two good posts

[notnowcato]

I could be wide of the mark, certainly swimming against the flow of opinion on here but I wouldn't be that surprised to see Adkins go following promotion. I'd have him as more likely to stay if it is to be League 1 football for us next season.

 

Cortese has set out an aggressive 5 year plan of success for us. For this to have a chance of succeeding he cannot waste a season finding out if a manager can cut it in a league or not. Adkins was a fantastic appointment given our circumstances at the time. He knows League 1 and knows what it takes to be successful in this domain. For the 5 year plan to succeed Cortese will have to take a low risk approach and that's why I can see another proven Championship manager at the helm in the summer, assuming we are promoted.

 

A course of action such as this would probably not prove popular but it's a decision that I can see Cortese having the balls to take. The football brand of the "Southampton Way" would still be high on his agenda for the Championship. So we'd be after a successful Championship manager who plays decent, pass and move football. Roberto Di Matteo fits the bill perfectly.

[doddisalegend]

I could be wide of the mark, certainly swimming against the flow of opinion on here but I wouldn't be that surprised to see Adkins go following promotion. I'd have him as more likely to stay if it is to be League 1 football for us next season.

 

Cortese has set out an aggressive 5 year plan of success for us. For this to have a chance of succeeding he cannot waste a season finding out if a manager can cut it in a league or not. Adkins was a fantastic appointment given our circumstances at the time. He knows League 1 and knows what it takes to be successful in this domain. For the 5 year plan to succeed Cortese will have to take a low risk approach and that's why I can see another proven Championship manager at the helm in the summer, assuming we are promoted.

 

A course of action such as this would probably not prove popular but it's a decision that I can see Cortese having the balls to take. The football brand of the "Southampton Way" would still be high on his agenda for the Championship. So we'd be after a successful Championship manager who plays decent, pass and move football. Roberto Di Matteo fits the bill perfectly.

 

Blimey! I think you might be wide of the mark by a continent and a couple of countries at the very least.......then again nothing would surprise me with SFC.

[Super_Uwe]

I could be wide of the mark, certainly swimming against the flow of opinion on here but I wouldn't be that surprised to see Adkins go following promotion. I'd have him as more likely to stay if it is to be League 1 football for us next season.

 

Cortese has set out an aggressive 5 year plan of success for us. For this to have a chance of succeeding he cannot waste a season finding out if a manager can cut it in a league or not. Adkins was a fantastic appointment given our circumstances at the time. He knows League 1 and knows what it takes to be successful in this domain. For the 5 year plan to succeed Cortese will have to take a low risk approach and that's why I can see another proven Championship manager at the helm in the summer, assuming we are promoted.

 

A course of action such as this would probably not prove popular but it's a decision that I can see Cortese having the balls to take. The football brand of the "Southampton Way" would still be high on his agenda for the Championship. So we'd be after a successful Championship manager who plays decent, pass and move football. Roberto Di Matteo fits the bill perfectly.

 

A very interesting take on matters.

 

Rewind the clock 20 years or so and I dare say the majority of people would have suggested you were a bit bonkers. Nowadays of course nothing surprises me in football.

 

I can't see it happening but I would not under any circumstances be surprised either if it did.

 

I personally think NA deserves at least another season at the helm; I know that we have our aggressive 5-year plan in place, but I also think that someone like Nicola Cortese knows that you cannot keep hiring and firing and expecting to do well in the long-term. I believe NA was appointed for the long-term and I think he would have to seriously balls it up from now on in to get the boot.

 

IMHO of course :@)

[Glasgow_Saint]

NC will sack NA if we dont go up - just seen it on Twitter

[trousers]

I could be wide of the mark, certainly swimming against the flow of opinion on here but I wouldn't be that surprised to see Adkins go following promotion. I'd have him as more likely to stay if it is to be League 1 football for us next season.

 

Cortese has set out an aggressive 5 year plan of success for us. For this to have a chance of succeeding he cannot waste a season finding out if a manager can cut it in a league or not. Adkins was a fantastic appointment given our circumstances at the time. He knows League 1 and knows what it takes to be successful in this domain. For the 5 year plan to succeed Cortese will have to take a low risk approach and that's why I can see another proven Championship manager at the helm in the summer, assuming we are promoted.

 

A course of action such as this would probably not prove popular but it's a decision that I can see Cortese having the balls to take. The football brand of the "Southampton Way" would still be high on his agenda for the Championship. So we'd be after a successful Championship manager who plays decent, pass and move football. Roberto Di Matteo fits the bill perfectly.

 

I've had similar thoughts over the last few weeks but not been brave enough to post it on here! :-)

 

It would not surprise me in the slightest if Cortese reviewed his 'management team' to ensure they were 'fit for purpose' for the Championship.

 

Upon conducting this review (and he may already have doen this pre-emptively), if he was to conclude that the team stood a better chance of promotion to the premier league under a different manager to Adkins then I believe he is ruthless enough to switch.

 

My observation of Cortese is that he looks at things very businesslike and doesn't take human emotion into account.

 

Of course, us supporters, being emotive creatures, would see the replacement of Adkins upon promotion to be an act of a mad man but, stripping away human nature, I can see why Cortese wouldn't rule it out.

 

To me, that's a sign of a good leader: someone who is strong enough to replace a successful manager with someone who he believes will be even more successful at a higher level.

 

Too often in this country, supposed leaders only replace a manager when they have failed. The really good leaders replace people before they fail....

 

All that said, I believe Cortese will conclude that Adkins is good enough to take us to the Premier League....famous last words....?!

Edited 29 March, 2011 by trousers

[um pahars]

but I wouldn't be that surprised to see Adkins go following promotion.

 

As others above have mentioned, I don't think this is as fanciful as you may think.

 

I think it is eminently possible for Cortese (and others) to consider what will work best in the Championship (fingers crossed we go up). I'm sure they will review the playing squad and work out who could hack it in the Championship, releasing some, relegating others to peripheral squad places and bringing new faces in, so why not with the coaching staff and/or manager???

 

Obviously stability, planning and continuity may mean this is not considered, but you never know.

 

I'm not saying I advicate it, nor that I think it will happen, but just it's not as fanciful as you may think.

[doddisalegend]

I could be wide of the mark, certainly swimming against the flow of opinion on here but I wouldn't be that surprised to see Adkins go following promotion. I'd have him as more likely to stay if it is to be League 1 football for us next season.

 

Cortese has set out an aggressive 5 year plan of success for us. For this to have a chance of succeeding he cannot waste a season finding out if a manager can cut it in a league or not. Adkins was a fantastic appointment given our circumstances at the time. He knows League 1 and knows what it takes to be successful in this domain. For the 5 year plan to succeed Cortese will have to take a low risk approach and that's why I can see another proven Championship manager at the helm in the summer, assuming we are promoted.

 

A course of action such as this would probably not prove popular but it's a decision that I can see Cortese having the balls to take. The football brand of the "Southampton Way" would still be high on his agenda for the Championship. So we'd be after a successful Championship manager who plays decent, pass and move football. Roberto Di Matteo fits the bill perfectly.

 

I've had similar thoughts over the last few weeks but not been brave enough to post it on here! :-)

 

It would not surprise me in the slightest if Cortese reviewed his 'management team' to ensure they were 'fit for purpose' for the Championship.

 

Upon conducting this review (and he may already have doen this pre-emptively), if he was to conclude that the team stood a better chance of promotion to the premier league under a different manager to Adkins then I believe he is ruthless enough to switch.

 

My observation of Cortese is that he looks at things very businesslike and doesn't take human emotion into account.

 

Of course, us supporters, being emotive creatures, would see the replacement of Adkins upon promotion to be an act of a mad man but, stripping away human nature, I can see why Cortese wouldn't rule it out.

 

To me, that's a sign of a good leader: someone who is strong enough to replace a successful manager with someone who he believes will be even more successful at a higher level.

 

Too often in this country, supposed leaders only replace a manager when they have failed. The really good leaders replace people before they fail....

 

All that said, I believe Cortese will conclude that Adkins is good enough to take us to the Premier League....famous last words....?!

 

As others above have mentioned, I don't think this is as fanciful as you may think.

 

I think it is eminently possible for Cortese (and others) to consider what will work best in the Championship (fingers crossed we go up). I'm sure they will review the playing squad and work out who could hack it in the Championship, releasing some, relegating others to peripheral squad places and bringing new faces in, so why not with the coaching staff and/or manager???

 

Obviously stability, planning and continuity may mean this is not considered, but you never know.

 

I'm not saying I advicate it, nor that I think it will happen, but just it's not as fanciful as you may think.

 

So Nigel may have more chance of keeping his job if we don't get promoted than if we do? FFS don't any one tell Nigel other wise we might see the biggest drop in form in recorded football history. I can just see it now.

 

Solent - " So Nigel intresting tactical choice to play Tommy Forecast in goal and Kelvin Davis in the role of a striker"

Nigel - "We're all on the bus it's not about elven players in the building it's about the team"

Solent - " Ooooookkk. What was the thinking about playing an injuried Lee Holmes in place of Adam Lallana?

Nigel- "Pressure makes diamonds"

Solent "Rrrriight, Erm David Conolly at err CB interesting choice....."

Nigel - "I want to keep my job as simple as that."

Edited 29 March, 2011 by doddisalegend

[trousers]

So Nigel may have more chance of keeping his job if we don't get promoted than if we do? FFS don't any one tell Nigel other wise we might see the biggest drop in form in recorded football history. I can just see it know.

 

Solent - " So Nigel intresting tactical choice to play Tommy Forecast in goal and Kelvin Davis in the role of a striker"

Nigel - "We're all on the bus it's not about elven players in the building it's about the team"

Solent - " Ooooookkk. What was the thinking about playing an injuried Lee Holmes in place of Adam Lallana?

Nigel- "Pressure makes diamonds"

Solent "Rrrriight, Erm David Conolly at err CB interesting choice....."

Nigel - "I want to keep my job as simple as that."

 

Lol

[Thedelldays]

let me get this straight...adkins could get us up and lose his job...

 

christ

[Window Cleaner]

let me get this straight...adkins could get us up and lose his job...

 

christ

Just a hypothesis I think, he'll still be here if we get promoted, not so sure if we don't though.

[trousers]

let me get this straight...adkins could get us up and lose his job...

 

christ

 

You reckon it's an impossibility then? If so, I assume you'll be happy to take my bet of £10 at odds of 1,000,000-1?

 

;-)

[aintforever]

let me get this straight...adkins could get us up and lose his job...

 

christ

 

You are right, that idea is typical SWF b@ll@x.

[trousers]

You are right, that idea is typical SWF b@ll@x.

 

[sWF member exits time machine in August 2010]

 

"Cortese will sack Pardew next month"

 

Mental...

[Thedelldays]

You are right, that idea is typical SWF b@ll@x.

 

some people paint NC as some sort of dastardly Bond baddie...carefully plotting his next move in calm, measured manor...

maybe him and pardew just simply did not get on..wont be the first time in football..certainly wont be the last...he and nige appear too....

[Window Cleaner]

[sWF member exits time machine in August 2010]

 

"Cortese will sack Pardew next month"

 

Mental...

 

 

Tis true FF definitely told us that, a few others as well perhaps.

[trousers]

Tis true FF definitely told us that, a few others as well perhaps.

 

And they were labelled as "SWF weirdos" if memory serves me correctly.

 

Rule nothing in, rule nothing out.

[aintforever]

[sWF member exits time machine in August 2010]

 

"Cortese will sack Pardew next month"

 

Mental...

 

Some on here, The Echo and Radio Solent saw the Pardew thing coming months ahead at the end of the previous season, there had obviously been a falling out.

 

Unless there is similar evidence it's nonsense to suggest Adkins will be fired if he gets promotion. You might as well say "Sir Alex Ferguson to be sacked if he wins the treble".

[trousers]

Looking at it another way (just a hypothesis if course)....let's say Pardew had pulled a tabor out of the hat and got us promoted last season.

 

And then, after a decent start in the championship, Cortese had the sane cause to sack him.

 

Does anyone think that Adkins would have been top of the list of managers to get us out of the championship?

 

I'll repeat what I said, I think cortese WILL review the club's personnel across the board (because that's his job) but will conclude that he should stick with Nigel.

 

Simple as that.

[Legod Third Coming]

He may have a point TDD, but I hope we wont have to test it.

 

There's no may about it.

 

Our team is worth ten times our nearest rival.

 

If we don't go up, we should fold the club and start playing tiddlywinks. Seriously.

[Legod Third Coming]

some people paint NC as some sort of dastardly Bond baddie...carefully plotting his next move in calm, measured manor...

maybe him and pardew just simply did not get on..wont be the first time in football..certainly wont be the last...he and nige appear too....

 

I agree with you.

 

BUT Cortese stated that Pardew went for footballing reasons. Which means he's probably made a rod for his own back with regards to Adkins.

 

More to the point though, does Cortese strike you as the sort of succesful banker who keeps a bloke in work because he likes him??

 

Me neither.

 

Manager and Chairman stated publicly that the manager's job is to get us promoted (in fact Adkins said it was to win the league).

 

On this basis, I think a firing or resignation is almost certain if we don't go up.

 

But we will, so it doesn't matter...

[aintforever]

Looking at it another way (just a hypothesis if course)....let's say Pardew had pulled a tabor out of the hat and got us promoted last season.

 

And then, after a decent start in the championship, Cortese had the sane cause to sack him.

 

Does anyone think that Adkins would have been top of the list of managers to get us out of the championship?

 

Maybe not but that's a completely different scenario to having a manager(with Championship experience) taking us from the bottom of league 1 to promotion, then tearing it all up and starting again when we get in the Championship.

[um pahars]

So Nigel may have more chance of keeping his job if we don't get promoted than if we do? FFS don't any one tell Nigel other wise we might see the biggest drop in form in recorded football history.

 

You could argue the same thing about a number of our players, after all many on here have said that they think some of our players would need to be replaced if we go up (only recently there was a thread where people were suggesting that Lambert and/or Barnard might not be cut out for the Championship).

 

I'm not sure why you and Delldays are getting your knickers in a twist, no one is advocating it, no one is saying it will happen. instead people are merely speculating on a football message board about something and having a chinwag about it.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Cortese would be a fool to sack Adkins if we don't get promotion, it's his d!cking about with managers that lost us so many points at the start of the season. If I were the Leibherrs I would get a new CEO in before manager, Adkins has a proven track record.

Are you a bit mental? Cortese clearly had his reasons to sack Pardew, and in any case he wasn't exactly rocketing us up the table before he left was he?

 

I'll assume you are just one of the more 'special' posters on this wonderful forum.

[aintforever]

Are you a bit mental? Cortese clearly had his reasons to sack Pardew, and in any case he wasn't exactly rocketing us up the table before he left was he?

 

I'll assume you are just one of the more 'special' posters on this wonderful forum.

 

Wrong, you assume Cortese had reasons to sack Pardew, results were not that bad we only lost one league game and that was a fluke (we totally out-played Plymouth).

 

You seem to assume quite a lot, think that makes you the special one.

[Thedelldays]

they were not that bad and we were sat nicely in 22nd place....

[Legod Third Coming]

they were not that bad and we were sat nicely in 22nd place....

 

We were 13th when Pardew was sacked, three points off 6th with a game in hand, which had we won we would have taken us above Brighton...

 

It wasn't Pardew who damaged this season, it was Wilkins!!

[Thedelldays]

We were 13th when Pardew was sacked, three points off 6th with a game in hand, which had we won we would have taken us above Brighton...

 

It wasn't Pardew who damaged this season, it was Wilkins!!

 

was he responsible for the shambles that was pre season..where the players were all fighting fit and just had to remained toned....yet played a handful of minutes each..

[Legod Third Coming]

was he responsible for the shambles that was pre season..where the players were all fighting fit and just had to remained toned....yet played a handful of minutes each..

 

DD, how did this shambles outplay Plymouth and get mugged and then stuff Bristol Rovers 4-0??

 

And where has been this remarkable turnaround in player fitness or health?

 

These things about pre-season are all in people's minds.

[Thedelldays]

DD, how did this shambles outplay Plymouth and get mugged and then stuff Bristol Rovers 4-0??

 

And where has been this remarkable turnaround in player fitness or health?

 

These things about pre-season are all in people's minds.

it was also a shambles to out play walsall and get mugged...bet you did not defend adkins on that one..

also, even lambert has said himself he was no way fit pre season...

[Legod Third Coming]

it was also a shambles to out play walsall and get mugged...bet you did not defend adkins on that one..

also, even lambert has said himself he was no way fit pre season...

 

I'm not defending Pardew for the Plymouth result - it was a poor result. I am pointing out facts. When he was fired we were three points off 6th with a game in hand. Had we won it we would have been ahead of Brighton.

 

And if Lambert was not fit, is that the manager's faullt? Is he actually responsible for player fitness? He would be about the only manager who is... otherwise what the feck are all the coaching staff there to do?

[Thedelldays]

I'm not defending Pardew for the Plymouth result - it was a poor result. I am pointing out facts. When he was fired we were three points off 6th with a game in hand. Had we won it we would have been ahead of Brighton.

 

And if Lambert was not fit, is that the manager's faullt? Is he actually responsible for player fitness? He would be about the only manager who is... otherwise what the feck are all the coaching staff there to do?

err, yes...he picks his team, he sees them every day.....

[Legod Third Coming]

err, yes...he picks his team, he sees them every day.....

 

Correct. And for all you know Pardew might have dropped him!

[Thedelldays]

Correct. And for all you know Pardew might have dropped him!

 

but he never..it was painfully obvious from the off he was not fit..how he could not see this all summer is beyond me

[Legod Third Coming]

but he never..it was painfully obvious from the off he was not fit..how he could not see this all summer is beyond me

 

He looks hardy any fitter now to me. Six weeks ago people were calling for Lambert to be dropped - is that still Pardew's fault?

[Thedelldays]

He looks hardy any fitter now to me. Six weeks ago people were calling for Lambert to be dropped - is that still Pardew's fault?

 

well, he looks miles fitter now than he did against plymouth back then....

 

pardew was good when he was here..but no way were we some sort of winning all destroying team some make out last year...some people suggest we were the best team in the league....that all simply was not the case..

 

I also believe that pardew would have gone anyway..as soon as his mate at newcastle said jump...and to leave div 3 for a good sized prem club...who would blame him....?

[sfc4prem]

How you can say lambert looks no fitter now is absolutely unbelievable.

[doddisalegend]

You could argue the same thing about a number of our players, after all many on here have said that they think some of our players would need to be replaced if we go up (only recently there was a thread where people were suggesting that Lambert and/or Barnard might not be cut out for the Championship).

 

I'm not sure why you and Delldays are getting your knickers in a twist, no one is advocating it, no one is saying it will happen. instead people are merely speculating on a football message board about something and having a chinwag about it.

 

Sorry didn't realize I was, should have put a smily winky or something. I just thought the idea of sacking a promotion achieving manager is quite funny. Then again I thought the idea we'd sack our cup winning manager five games into the season was a pretty funny idea too...........and then it happened................

[Legod Third Coming]

well, he looks miles fitter now than he did against plymouth back then....

 

pardew was good when he was here..but no way were we some sort of winning all destroying team some make out last year...some people suggest we were the best team in the league....that all simply was not the case..

 

I also believe that pardew would have gone anyway..as soon as his mate at newcastle said jump...and to leave div 3 for a good sized prem club...who would blame him....?

 

From October, when Pardew had assembled his squad until the end of the season we were the best or second best team in the league on results. Even with the first two months of the season wasted, we were from memory third top scorers and had the second best defence (or other way around).

 

But I agree we still lost and drew games I felt we should have won. That's because we're a League One side...and even the best League One players are inconsistent.

 

When he was fired I was furious because you could predict that all his hard work in building a squad could have been undone.

 

Instead, Adkins turned up and has really done an incredible job.

 

However, those three games when Wilkins was in charge and the first game against MK Dons could easily cost us automatic promotion.

 

If they do, Cortese should apologise to the fans. HE should have fired Pardew in June. That's my big issue. Because I also agree Pardew is an unlikeable bloke who would have jumped at the Newcastle job whenever it was offered.