Do we still back Jan Portveliet?

[Saint Martini]

Missing two penalties is not unlucky, unprofessional yes, but unlucky definately not. How you can conclude that they didn't have a shot on target for the first hour (which we apparently dominated as well..!!) is worrying - we were 3 bloody nil down after the first 45...!!!

 

All well and fine relying on SaintsTV to give you an idea of whats going on - but expect lots of red & white tinted spec stuff thrown in - thats their job and they want to be doing it for the rest of the season.

 

Given these stats, it doesn't look too much like home domination to me - more a bit 50/50 but the men beat the shyte outta the boys where it mattered.

 

Goal Attempts 10 : 9 Goal Attempts

 

On Target 3 : 5 On Target

 

Crosses 10 : 3 Crosses

 

Corners 9 : 8 Corners

 

Offside 3 : 5 Offside

 

Fouls 13 : 18 Fouls

 

Free kicks 22 : 18 Free kicks

 

Yellow cards 1 : 4 Yellow cards

 

% Possession 49 : 51 Possession %

 

What I meant with the not having a shot on goal was besides the goals, SaintsTV were claiming that Davis made his first save about 15 mins after the break. And although missing two penalties might be unprofessional in a sense it is also unlucky, both of them know how to score them and I don't know if they were bad hits or if the goallie guessed right but there is definately some luck involved. And about SaintsTV having the red&white tinted specs, I know this but normally they are pretty honest about the performance. Anyway, it seems I might be way off but I believe you were on the matchthread as well so you'd know about as much about what happend on the pitch as me. One thing that did strike me from the commentary was that we crossed the ball in dangerous positions time and time again but then there was no-one to put it in the net (or there was someone there that then produced a weak shot), you can also tell this by the amount of crosses we had compared to the amount of shots.

[brmbrm]

This is the bit that worries me UP. Lots of people on here have said that we played some neat stuff, lots of pundits have actually applauded the way in which we knock it around in midfield - get it down and get it to feet.

 

But when you think about it, it's actaully quite easy to do. Most teams will let you play football in front of them, especially if (like us) you don't hurt them when you do it. And that is the crux of the matter for this team - we don't hurt teams. We play pretty stuff, no cutting edge, no end product and therfore no result.

 

I just think that teams have sussed us out - young boys trying to do it the right way, but not really up to it. Let them run out of ideas, bully them off the ball - go direct and get a shot in.

 

Once we go behind in a game, its very difficult for the young lads to concentrate and try to get back into it. I fear for this system - looks good, but currently producing not a lot.

 

quite right - you want to play the cutting edge footy in the LAST THIRD OF THE PITCH, Not the MIDDLE THIRD. Aarghhhhhhhhh.

 

The only good news is that i reckon there are 3 other really really bad teams in the CCC so it would take a monster balls-up to get relegated from this ****.

[brmbrm]

What I meant with the not having a shot on goal was besides the goals......

 

Hmmm. what's "total football" meant to be about then? passing it around in the centre cirlce then all falling over? Monty Python did that and didn't win any cups with it.

[Saint Martini]

Hmmm. what's "total football" meant to be about then? passing it around in the centre cirlce then all falling over? Monty Python did that and didn't win any cups with it.

 

I'm referring to Watford here. The commentators on SaintsTV said that Davis made his first save somewhere in the second half. So apparently they didn't have any shots besides the three goals?

[70's Mike]

I'm referring to Watford here. The commentators on SaintsTV said that Davis made his first save somewhere in the second half. So apparently they didn't have any shots besides the three goals?

 

 

but they did not need anymore they had scored 3 times already.

[SaintRobbie]

Nice bloke, but that doesn't win games. He has had very little money to work with and a bunch of kids with bundles of enthusiasm but very little end product.

 

Do we still think he is capable of getting us out of this mess?

 

may be we should have a straight forward poll on his.

 

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

 

I was going to post a thread asking the question above.

 

Do you regard Mr Jan Portaloo as a puppet (for Lowe) or just a muppet? But I suppose this thread will do.

 

I have been studying JP for 3 matches now - watching his 'dug out presence' if you like - testing his leadership ability. And I tell you what... he is clueless and freezes when a decision is needed.

 

Next time we have a game watch him. Watch how he looks puzzled until around the 70th minute or so before a frustrated Wotte steps up behind him and there's a chat - initiated by Wotte - and suddenly we see a substitution. I now know why Wotte has come here - JP is a fraud.

 

Sorry but I think JP is fekking rubbish. He has no plan B and zero presence. He does not understand this league or the teams within it. He is clueless. He demonstrates to me why he was so uninspiring in the Dutch leagues every game I watch. Muppet? You bet he is.

 

Now let's remember where he came from - Sir Clive Woodward. A recommendation to Lowe a while ago to replace Harry. You remember SCW, the man who gave us the eye gym and that other great footballing fraud - Simon Clifford?

 

It appears that Lowe can only attract frauds. Yet as Director of Football by default Lowe is certainly refusing to allow him his full squad. So, does that make JP a puppet? You bet it does.

 

So, for me it's now clear - JP is another Lowe sacrificial lamb of a coach. The engine room of this club is quite clearly Wotte and having read the thread about him being offered a job with Joll at Spurs I am not surprised.

 

So - JP... puppet AND muppet.

 

Wotte? I'd let him carry on with the youth team after the takeover... the one we badly need before January as we are going down my friends.

[AwaySaint1]

We should of kept pearson to be honest lowes fault for sacking him im sure pearson would of cut his wages if it was a case of wages why he was sacked but we all know it was because he wasnt a yes man and would not take **** from lowe or the players.

 

The reason we got rid of him was because Lowe and Woodward had a plan to use the academy.

 

Even though the fans pushed out Woodward Lowes contempt for the fans forced him to continue with the experiment.

[Whitey Grandad]

Next time we have a game watch him. Watch how he looks puzzled until around the 70th minute or so before a frustrated Wotte steps up behind him and there's a chat - initiated by Wotte - and suddenly we see a substitution. I now know why Wotte has come here - JP is a fraud.

 

What I couldn't understand was that when they brought Pekhart on with 8 minutes left they were showing him a bit of paper and giving him tactical instructions. ffs with 8 minutes and 3-0 down wtf do you need to explain to him???

[Snowballs2]

poorvliet was a big risk from the beginning, 9 points from 33 available isn't any better than pearson, in fact it's a worse win ratio, pearson only lost four games in fourteen. He is a genuine guy but ineffective at this level. Pretty passing gets you nowhere in this league if you can't take your chances!

 

 

 

He has proven to be a biiger risk than keeping on Pearson.

At least he would have stood up to interfering Lowe.

[alpine_saint]

Nice bloke, but that doesn't win games. He has had very little money to work with and a bunch of kids with bundles of enthusiasm but very little end product.

 

Do we still think he is capable of getting us out of this mess?

 

may be we should have a straight forward poll on his.

 

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

 

Yep. Agree completely. SFC is a busted flush, unfortunately Lowe will manage to hang the blame for relegation and administration around his neck.

[captainchris]

No, I don't back him at all.

 

- zero organisation at the back. You can complain about the quality of the players avaibale, but the coach's job is to ****ing get them organised FFS.

 

- next to no cutting edge up front. balls into box are great but there is noone there FFS. Again this is organisation - if you are going to play 451 at home then you midfilders (more than one of them) are going to have to make runs into the box

 

- no bloody idea at all about chaning things when we are 3-0 donw. FFS. "Leave it to the players" is what he siad on Solent radio. WHO THE FUKC IS THE BOSS HERE?????

 

Jeez, I could go on but what is the point

 

Portaloo is going round and round in circles. It really is not working. Now we are going back round to the Jake Thomson circle it's rediculous. Same two full backs that are not working same McGoldrick not working. I really think he is not showing us that he is capable of anything but being a one trick pony. Tighten up the bloody defense man !!!!!! STOP BUYING/ LOANING MIDFIELDERS, ATTACKERS and get some defenders in - Hello !!! And tell Davis to come for crosses !!!!!!!!! it's so bloody obvious to everyone, we are week in defense SORT IT OUT

[LostBoys]

A good honest bloke but no experience at this level and having to make do with a very very young side. P45 to come when we hit the bottom three after a few more dickings in the next couple of weeks.

[Tamesaint]

Where the hell is Scooby? I need his 'opinions' to lighten this afternoon up for me!

 

Rumour has it that our good mate Andrew aka Scooby is going to start the "Lowe Out" campaign at the next match.

 

As for Sundance.... presumably he is composing his latest diatribe criticising the fans right now.

[offix]

I'm referring to Watford here. The commentators on SaintsTV said that Davis made his first save somewhere in the second half. So apparently they didn't have any shots besides the three goals?

 

So after 3 goals for the other guys our goalie finally makes a save, and somehow that's good?

[aintforever]

Poortaloo has got to go, the whole idea of playing total football with the resources we have was laughable. Lowe's really excelled himself this time, ****ing ****-wit.

[Chez]

2 pens + McGoldrick clean through one on one.

 

Their first goal was slightly fortunate in that both players went for the header, it hit them both and fell nicely for the Watford player to smash home. The second seemed to be slightly lucky but both came down to the fact we could not win the headers needed.

 

They had the best chance in the second half when Wotton was done and their striker missed when one on one.

 

We lost because we are too small and can't win headers, too bad pens, and missed easy one on ones. You have to make your own luck...

[Whitey Grandad]

2 pens + McGoldrick clean through one on one.

 

Their first goal was slightly fortunate in that both players went for the header, it hit them both and fell nicely for the Watford player to smash home. The second seemed to be slightly lucky but both came down to the fact we could not win the headers needed.

 

They had the best chance in the second half when Wotton was done and their striker missed when one on one.

 

We lost because we are too small and can't win headers, too bad pens, and missed easy one on ones. You have to make your own luck...

It's symptomatic of the disorganization in our defence. Whenever we defend a corner we bring everybody back and there are so many saints players that nobody knows who should be doing what.

[SFC Forever]

Somehow we manage to score every now and then and we also keep clean sheets every now and then. Today we were defensively ****e and the finishing was ****e but we created loads of chances. Next match the will go in and Davis will pull of the saves Lee made today.

 

Lee fouls in penalty area when our player is through and only has to tap it in. Gets only a yellow card. Why?

Every game we play pretty football in middle of pitch. No strikers and no defenders equals more and more losses. Plus with draining confidence the scores against could grow.

McG should have been subbed a hell of a lot earlier.

Wotton should not have taken second penalty and doesn't act like a defender.

We are missing Schneiderlin and a couple of others. This will give us a bit more calmness and improve the team but who will get hurt next?

Today I took my 6yo son to his first game at St Marys. What a start to his life as a Saints supporter.

THE ONLY WAY IS UP. At least I pray it is.

[Jonnyboy]

give him til the new year like usual

[Mole]

Portaloo was brought in for one reason - to be a yes man for Lowe.

 

Peason was a real manager, all we've got now is a Lowe puppet.

 

SFC is a ****ing joke.:mad:

[The Fat Controller]

My big fear is the longer we leave any change we will have a massive minus goal difference again which could cost us if it comes down to the wire again

[Snowballs2]

I have had enough of the nice coach, I want a motivator manager brought in NOW who has experience of English football.

[Long Shot]

we defending badly today but also luck was not on our side

 

 

Hey I half agree with you Nick. The defending was shambolic but I don't agree that 2 missed pens is unlucky. Also McGoldrick's miss was not unlucky.

We play some neat football in between the boxes but there is no end product and with Svensson obviously never going to fully recover selling Davies was madness.

 

JP is Wigley mark II and with Lowe now pulling the footballing strings and unrest at the training ground because of his influence we are in danger of self-imploding. How long will it be before JP reels out his familiar excuse "the boys are a bit tired".

 

I fear letting Pearson go was indeed a bad error of judgement but Lowe has made more bad managerial appointments than good ones.

[Long Shot]

It's symptomatic of the disorganization in our defence. Whenever we defend a corner we bring everybody back and there are so many saints players that nobody knows who should be doing what.

 

At the risk of being controversial I think some blame should lay at the door of our 'keeper. Good shot stopper he maybe but he is dire when it comes to commanding his 6 yard box. For me he is only half a goalkeeper.

[Dubai Saint]

I'm not a stats man but reckon teams have us sussed out. We simply can't mix it when the games gets physical, no real ball winner in midfield, two lightweight full backs, no aerial prescence at the back, little physical threat up front. Solution when playing up - Hoof the ball, get the wingers one on one with full backs and put the boot in.

[alpine_saint]

we defending badly today but also luck was not on our side

 

Jeez, not that "luck" bollllocks again.

 

We must be the unluckiest team on the planet..:rolleyes:

Or maybe just the worst managed ?

[Halo Stickman]

Back in the 1960s our primary school teacher used to say the same thing to us before every match: ‘keep it on the deck, boys, pass and move’. He never used to bother about things like taking penalties and defending set-pieces. I realise now that our team was years ahead of its time; indeed, it appears we were the forerunners of something called ‘total football’. It’s just a shame that, in all the years I spent at that school, you could count our victories on the thumb of one hand, and that by the time we reached secondary school, most of our players had become so disillusioned they opted to play rugby instead.:mad:

[lordswoodsaints]

Nice bloke, but that doesn't win games. He has had very little money to work with and a bunch of kids with bundles of enthusiasm but very little end product.

 

Do we still think he is capable of getting us out of this mess?

 

may be we should have a straight forward poll on his.

 

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

 

id agree with that,it was always going to be a difficult job and i dont think anybody else would have done any better.

we have what we have,we cant afford any better so we have to make the most of it.

its harsh but thats life at the moment.

[Saint Martini]

Jeez, not that "luck" bollllocks again.

 

We must be the unluckiest team on the planet..:rolleyes:

Or maybe just the worst managed ?

 

I'd say we were lucky in the matches against Norwich and Doncaster with both of those teams forgetting to put away their chances before we did. In some of the matches we'll be on the rightside of luck in some on the bad side. Yesterday we were on the bad side and our defense was asleep.

[Whitey Grandad]

At the risk of being controversial I think some blame should lay at the door of our 'keeper. Good shot stopper he maybe but he is dire when it comes to commanding his 6 yard box. For me he is only half a goalkeeper.

Maybe he can't get to the ball because the Saints players are blocking him out? Every time that we defended a set-piece yesterday I saw a big clump of our players stading together on the 6-yard line with unmarked Watford players hovering 2 or 3 yards off them. Nobody was man-marking anyone. A well-drilled defence will commonly leave the 6-yard box clear so that the keeper can come to claim the ball.

[derry]

Maybe he can't get to the ball because the Saints players are blocking him out? Every time that we defended a set-piece yesterday I saw a big clump of our players stading together on the 6-yard line with unmarked Watford players hovering 2 or 3 yards off them. Nobody was man-marking anyone. A well-drilled defence will commonly leave the 6-yard box clear so that the keeper can come to claim the ball.

 

They know he won't come.

[Long Shot]

Maybe he can't get to the ball because the Saints players are blocking him out? Every time that we defended a set-piece yesterday I saw a big clump of our players stading together on the 6-yard line with unmarked Watford players hovering 2 or 3 yards off them. Nobody was man-marking anyone. A well-drilled defence will commonly leave the 6-yard box clear so that the keeper can come to claim the ball.

 

 

Fair point I noticed the same but let's face it, KD has a history of not leaving his line even when the coast is clear.

[aintforever]

I thought Kelvin should have come off his line for the first, it's hard to criticise him too much though considering the awful defenders he has to work behind.

 

As for Poortvleit, I think it's not a case of we need a NEW manager, more a case of we need A manager.

 

At the moment we are basically managerless, we have Rupert Lowe and a coach - there is no one actually managing the squad.

[Whitey Grandad]

They know he won't come.

In which case it's plan B. Put somebody on the posts and man-mark the opposition. Stand on their toes if necessary but do everything possible to put them off and keep them away from the ball. What you don't do is just cram all your players in the goalmouth and hope that somebody will block the shots. In other words, get the defence organized!

[Toomer]

Can't make head nor tail what he is on about when the bloke gets interviewed, if we can't what chance have the players got. Lowe must be able to see the error of his ways yet again from top to bottom its a case of the blind leading the blind. You get the likes of Scooby & Sundance going on about the stay away fans doing damage to the club I like many others paid up front for my ST what do we get in return, feck all. A few more perfomances like yesterdays and gates will drop below 10k.

[SaintRobbie]

At the risk of being controversial I think some blame should lay at the door of our 'keeper. Good shot stopper he maybe but he is dire when it comes to commanding his 6 yard box. For me he is only half a goalkeeper.

 

Ironically, the same keeper who is on for becoming our player of the season at the moment despite letting in on average 2-3 goals per game at the moment! I'm sort of agreeing with you but I hope you see the irony...

 

he's one of our best players! Why? Because he's a man.

[St Landrew]

Bit late commenting on this thread, but my 5 eggs worth is that we have nobody else who is remotely qualifed to do the job. Lowe and Wilde have burned our bridges and fully committed us tothe cheap option with JP and his methods with young players. We have to stick with it, and either progress, which is entirely possible, as JP has never actually failed at anything in the past; keep our heads above water until a takeover with money happens, or drown. At the moment, the jury must be out.

[St. Jason]

Thing is I wonder if all is as well (optimistic) as we think in this "young" squad. If the motivation/respect goes we'll be buggered

 

 

Things are not great within this 'young' squad.

 

I was talking to one of the young players that i know yesterday, he was saying how the lads don't really know what's going on, he said they are screaming for some experience, a leader, a captain to take them forward, also doesn't like DMC, says he's greedy and not a team player!!

[Long Shot]

Bit late commenting on this thread, but my 5 eggs worth is that we have nobody else who is remotely qualifed to do the job. Lowe and Wilde have burned our bridges and fully committed us tothe cheap option with JP and his methods with young players. We have to stick with it, and either progress, which is entirely possible, as JP has never actually failed at anything in the past; keep our heads above water until a takeover with money happens, or drown. At the moment, the jury must be out.

 

I agree but I draw the line at Lowe making footballing decisions. He has ordered double daily training sessions. Now that might be needed but it is the manager/coach who should make that decision not the ferkin chairman of the PLC. And if JP had cojones he would not accept it.

[Viking Warrior]

Its all well and good the usually brigade of moaners calling for JP's head.

but yet another change is not going to help the club either in the short term or medium term

 

I dont particularly like what is happening at the club re our results. but I have resigned myself to the fact it is going to be a bumby ride this season.

but thats what happens when a club is in a state of transition.

 

I would like to see a true leader and inspirational capt on the field but all our old heads are crocked at present. Schnieder might be a useful bet, he has something about him a determination to win etc.

 

I know when the final whistle goes and we have lost that the normal cohorts come out in force with wave after wave of lets sack Lowe, JP etc.

 

I cant change your minds, but I for one will continue to support saints thru thick and thin. I dont need you moaners telling me we are ****e at present , I can see that for my self. but unlike some of you I haven't and never will give up on the team or club.

Perhaps its being an eternal optomist but I genuinely believe ww will come good again.

[solentstars]

Its all well and good the usually brigade of moaners calling for JP's head.

but yet another change is not going to help the club either in the short term or medium term

 

I dont particularly like what is happening at the club re our results. but I have resigned myself to the fact it is going to be a bumby ride this season.

but thats what happens when a club is in a state of transition.

 

I would like to see a true leader and inspirational capt on the field but all our old heads are crocked at present. Schnieder might be a useful bet, he has something about him a determination to win etc.

 

I know when the final whistle goes and we have lost that the normal cohorts come out in force with wave after wave of lets sack Lowe, JP etc.

 

I cant change your minds, but I for one will continue to support saints thru thick and thin. I dont need you moaners telling me we are ****e at present , I can see that for my self. but unlike some of you I haven't and never will give up on the team or club.

Perhaps its being an eternal optomist but I genuinely believe ww will come good again.

good post i,m with you and will support the boys in red and white stripes.

[Master Bates]

Do the board still give Poortvliet a vote of confidence?

[JohnnyFartPants]

Do the board still give Poortvliet a vote of confidence?

 

Can they afford to do anything but that?

[Master Bates]

Can they afford to do anything but that?

 

Not sure, how does it work?

[saintwarwick]

At the risk of being controversial I think some blame should lay at the door of our 'keeper. Good shot stopper he maybe but he is dire when it comes to commanding his 6 yard box. For me he is only half a goalkeeper.

 

I tend to agree with you on his inability to command his area. We concede too many goals from set pieces and Davis fails on most occasions to come out for the ball instead relying on the outfield players to clear the ball. Most other keepers go for the ball either catching or punching the ball away and if a keeper goes down, 99 times out of a 100 he will be awarded a free kick. Another thing is we bring every player back for set pieces which allows the opposition to push more bigger players into the box and as we are a small team it gives the opposition a bigger advantage, this is where the keeper should be challenging for the ball, not rooted to the goal line. We could also push a couple of players up to the half way line keeping some of the opposition away from the box which should make it easier for the goalie to win the ball.

[saintwarwick]

Yep. Agree completely. SFC is a busted flush, unfortunately Lowe will manage to hang the blame for relegation and administration around his neck.

 

No he won't because it ain't gonna happen.

[broncoboy]

give him til the new year like usual

 

 

That's a good one

[saintwarwick]

We should of kept pearson to be honest lowes fault for sacking him im sure pearson would of cut his wages if it was a case of wages why he was sacked but we all know it was because he wasnt a yes man and would not take **** from lowe or the players.

 

Whilst I agree we should of kept Pearson Lowe did not sack him.

[Whitey Grandad]

Whilst I agree we should of kept Pearson Lowe did not sack him.

Can we agree that Lowe 'dismissed' him?

[Charlie Wayman]

There's nothing to dislike about him, it's just that his ideas aren't working. By all accounts he froze into impotence on Saturday when more than ever the youngsters needed some instruction and leadership. He isn't helped by not having an authoritative figure on the field to cajole and gee up the lads. Surman doesn't seem to want to do it and Wootton is a hoofball relic and not used to total fotball. Other than that Davies was too busy having a strop, falling over and picking the ball out of his net. Lowe as usual won't take early decisive action as he created this mess and appointed Jan in the first palce, so his pride is at stake again.