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We're a joke club' date=' run by a joke board, putting in joke performances at the mo. Missing 2 penalties is pathetic, as was the defending by all accounts.[/quote']

 

 

How many season did we go without missing a penalty?! This is the worst set of penalty takers we've ever had ... Come back Le Tiss :-)

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I had a good time at the Bath beer festival.

 

Text message came in ... missed a pen. Another 0-1 down....then missed another pen. By that time I knew we were in for a bad day. Actually I reckoned it wasn't worth the trouble anyway.I might pop down sometime next month but I'm not looking forward to it.

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for those that didn't attend let me just say that we played pretty well in the first half. Without a doubt we were the better side, but two missed pens and the easiest 1 on 1 missed by McGoldrick combined with some of the most pathetic defending or an arial crossed ball you will see and you have a 0-3 scoreline.

 

Second half was a different story. Far too many players dissapeared and the manager did **** all about it. Why bring on Perkhard with 8 minutes to go? Why drop McGoldrick in centre midfield? Mind you if you are going to bring on Thompson only for him to give the ball away with every single touch of the ball then why bother?

 

I want to single out one player for criticism and that was Ryan Smith. I have never seen such a poor performance in a first half from a saints player in 25 years of watching. Lightweight, slow, poor control, bottler, lazy, casual....he perked up for two runs in the second half but not for long. Normally I like to give players time to settle in but boy what a coward.

 

I said before the start of the season we would go down and nothing has changed. We are lightweight, nieve, small, limited...

 

Davis - 6 - didn't come for much. Might question him for second goal. Decent kicking.

James - 5 - I have slated him on here, but he was OK today. His lack of height does not help the defence though.

Wotton - 1 crap, slow, crap in the air. Crap. You get the message. Terrible signing and I said so at the time. Sprinted up to take the penalty and grabbed it with such intend that he may as well have had a tattoo on his forehead saying it is going down the middle.

Lancashire - 3 done in the air far too often and not strong enough for a CB. He'll get better, he shoulkd be doing so out on loan in league 1.

Mills - 5 - again his lack of height does not help the centre backs.

Surman 4 decent first half, dissapeared second.

Cork - 5 decent first half, dissapeared second. Out muscled far too easy when moed to fullback.

Lallana 4 did next to nothing second half. Terrible game by his standards. I keep saying the formation is built around him but if he does not control the game then we effectively are a player doen defensively.

McGoldrick 5 - he looked decent after he missed the penalty and was clearlty trying hard to make up for the error. Did nothing second half and is the ****test CM I have ever seen.

Robertson - 2 did **** all. One or two decent crosses came in but he was nowhere to be seen.

Smith - 1 - room for improvement, but I can see why Millwall were not picking him.

 

Thompson - 0 - appauling. No, thats being too kind.

 

Jan 2 - is clueless. McGoldrick to CM when Gillett is on the bench. **** off. Where the **** is Stern John? No one can tell me Pekhard deserves to be on the bench ahead of Stern.

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for those that didn't attend let me just say that we played pretty well in the first half. Without a doubt we were the better side, but two missed pens and the easiest 1 on 1 missed by McGoldrick combined with some of the most pathetic defending or an arial crossed ball you will see and you have a 0-3 scoreline.

 

Second half was a different story. Far too many players dissapeared and the manager did **** all about it. Why bring on Perkhard with 8 minutes to go? Why drop McGoldrick in centre midfield? Mind you if you are going to bring on Thompson only for him to give the ball away with every single touch of the ball then why bother?

 

I want to single out one player for criticism and that was Ryan Smith. I have never seen such a poor performance in a first half from a saints player in 25 years of watching. Lightweight, slow, poor control, bottler, lazy, casual....he perked up for two runs in the second half but not for long. Normally I like to give players time to settle in but boy what a coward.

 

I said before the start of the season we would go down and nothing has changed. We are lightweight, nieve, small, limited...

 

Davis - 6 - didn't come for much. Might question him for second goal. Decent kicking.

James - 5 - I have slated him on here, but he was OK today. His lack of height does not help the defence though.

Wotton - 1 crap, slow, crap in the air. Crap. You get the message. Terrible signing and I said so at the time. Sprinted up to take the penalty and grabbed it with such intend that he may as well have had a tattoo on his forehead saying it is going down the middle.

Lancashire - 3 done in the air far too often and not strong enough for a CB. He'll get better, he shoulkd be doing so out on loan in league 1.

Mills - 5 - again his lack of height does not help the centre backs.

Surman 4 decent first half, dissapeared second.

Cork - 5 decent first half, dissapeared second. Out muscled far too easy when moed to fullback.

Lallana 4 did next to nothing second half. Terrible game by his standards. I keep saying the formation is built around him but if he does not control the game then we effectively are a player doen defensively.

McGoldrick 5 - he looked decent after he missed the penalty and was clearlty trying hard to make up for the error. Did nothing second half and is the ****test CM I have ever seen.

Robertson - 2 did **** all. One or two decent crosses came in but he was nowhere to be seen.

Smith - 1 - room for improvement, but I can see why Millwall were not picking him.

 

Thompson - 0 - appauling. No, thats being too kind.

 

Jan 2 - is clueless. McGoldrick to CM when Gillett is on the bench. **** off. Where the **** is Stern John? No one can tell me Pekhard deserves to be on the bench ahead of Stern.

 

Next time could you please give us an honest appraisel (sp) ;)

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for those that didn't attend let me just say that we played pretty well in the first half. Without a doubt we were the better side, but two missed pens and the easiest 1 on 1 missed by McGoldrick combined with some of the most pathetic defending or an arial crossed ball you will see and you have a 0-3 scoreline.

 

Strange definition you have of what is "the better side".

I always thought the object of the game was winning, and that the side who won did better? Silly me.

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Complete ****e, the really worrying thing is that Watford were poor, they could hardly string two passes together yet still beat us 3-0.

 

Not one of the back 4 that played were good enough, why we've brought in so many young attacking players on loan beggers belief, we need two new full backs and our proper centre halfs fit or we are dead certs to go down.

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The harsh rality is this is all just a rip off. Southampton FC are charging first team prices to people to watch what is virtually a youth or 'A' team. Most of these players you could expect to watch for nothing and they are charging full price.

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I must say that siting in the Itchen it was noticeably quieter that usual and yes I know it's never that loud!

However it seemed to me there was a distinct lack of real interest from those sitting around me throughout the game.

From a personal point of view I seriously thought about leaving at half time, never done it in 30+ years and I didn't do it this time cos once you start down that road.....

 

As for the performance, it was another case of pretty yet uneffective footie. A host of nice passing only to be let down by a lazy one, enabling Watford to counter. Of course at time we resorted to the long ball but thank goodness it didn't become a habit.

 

We were always getting knocked off the ball and they won an awful lot n the air, yet again we were bullied off the ball, whether that's down to inexperience, lack of physical maturity or lack of committment i'm not sure but until we start being able to shield and keep control of the ball we are always going to be losing it.

 

Overall I thought the effort was there but we have a poor and disorganised defence and no real attack. It would be easy to single out individuals who perhaps didn't perform to the highest standard but for me the entire team need to toughen up and the manager needs to get a striker identified.

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Strange definition you have of what is "the better side".

I always thought the object of the game was winning, and that the side who won did better? Silly me.

you can't be the better side yet be losing?

 

We were better in that we controlled the game in open play, passed it pretty well, won the midfield battle and looked quite dangerous on the attack. Yes you are right we didn't take our three guilt edge chances and they took theirs, but you can conceded goals and play well you know.

 

I am not sticking my head in the sand, I know you need to defend all types of attack including from headers, but I just wanted non attenders to know that if we could have defended at set peices the half time score would have been different. Second half we were terrible, far worse than the first, yet the score for the half was 0-0. We certainly were not equal to them in that half. They were terrible. We were terrible. Both will struggle. We will go down.

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Wotton - 1 crap, slow, crap in the air. Crap. You get the message. Terrible signing and I said so at the time. Sprinted up to take the penalty and grabbed it with such intend that he may as well have had a tattoo on his forehead saying it is going down the middle.

 

Hehe classic. I've said it too but it falls on death ears. He is not up to this level and that is why he spent most of his career in division 1 and 2. You can see why he was released at Plymouth really. Spends so much time trying to be the general that he forgets his own game. He has been guilty of ball watching and being out of position so often this season and this game was no different. I hate to think what will happen when we come up against teams with actual pace if he gets done by balls over him by slow players. Makes Jermaine Wright looklike Ronaldo at times. However he has a battling attitude and i'd prefer that to DMG's any day of the year.

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you can't be the better side yet be losing?

 

We were better in that we controlled the game in open play, passed it pretty well, won the midfield battle and looked quite dangerous on the attack. Yes you are right we didn't take our three guilt edge chances and they took theirs, but you can conceded goals and play well you know.

 

I am not sticking my head in the sand, I know you need to defend all types of attack including from headers, but I just wanted non attenders to know that if we could have defended at set peices the half time score would have been different. Second half we were terrible, far worse than the first, yet the score for the half was 0-0. We certainly were not equal to them in that half. They were terrible. We were terrible. Both will struggle. We will go down.

 

 

So let me get this right, IF we had defended better (or for that matter defended at all) THEN we MIGHT have been the better team?

That is encouraging.:rolleyes:

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sounds like we were unlucky then

 

I do hope you're being ironic there!!!!!!

 

The two missed penalties gloss over a very poor performance, with serious deficiencies in many areas of the team (for a start we need to sort the defence out PDQ). Throw in questionable team selections & tactics, and luck (or lack of it) goes out the window.

 

With all due respect to Watford, they were poor (1 point away from home all season) and yet they spanked us 3-0. What does that say about us????

 

The harsh reality is that many of those who played yesterday aren't up to it, and the manager is beginning to be put under the microscope.

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I do hope you're being ironic there!!!!!!

 

The two missed penalties gloss over a very poor performance, with serious deficiencies in many areas of the team (for a start we need to sort the defence out PDQ). Throw in questionable team selections & tactics, and luck (or lack of it) goes out the window.

 

With all due respect to Watford, they were poor (1 point away from home all season) and yet they spanked us 3-0. What does that say about us????

 

The harsh reality is that many of those who played yesterday aren't up to it, and the manager is beginning to be put under the microscope.

 

 

I agree with your post but is it fair to put JP under the microscope when it appears he is not making a lot of the footballing decisions?

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Probably wise - but it won't look any better then either - believe me...!!!! ;)

 

Yes, of course you're right. I knew it wouldn't feel any better, but frankly, I couldn't be arsed to stay up, especially having watched Match of the Day and reminded myself again just how far we've fallen.

 

For all those who make excuses for being happy at the effort and commitment the youngsters put in, then there was plenty of that on show in large parts of the game; well, until the last twenty minutes at least. The football they played for 15/20 minutes after the break when the damage had already been done was often glorious, but this was mainly the midfield showing that there is some talent there. But we are going to be relegated unless the defence is completely improved by experienced, bigger players in on loan immediately. And it is completely useless passing the ball around prettily in midfield if there are not players of ability to put it into the net when playing teams with defences as poor as Watford's.

 

Missing one penalty could be dismissed as bad luck, but missing two begins to look like carelessness, to paraphrase Wilde. (No, not you, Quisling) What a shame that since we failed to progress in such an important match as the play-offs a couple of seasons ago, it has apparently not been deemed important enough for us to practice penalties in training so that several players are experts. With two goals scored by us, the match might have had a different perspective to it and at least some air of respectability, but 3-0 is totally unacceptable.

 

The time is fast approaching that something needs to be done to put things right as a matter of urgency. If the defensive weaknesses are not addressed right now with decent loan cover and we continue to follow this current pattern, then the board need to be made aware in no uncertain terms that we have had enough of them and their mad experiment.

 

I am begining to feel that not renewing my and my son's STs was a good move as it is quite possible that after games like that, I might well do what was unthinkable for me and cease attending matches, as it begins to seem as if there are better things to spend £48 on than watching the youngsters gain experience, only to have the better ones sold on in January.

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Missing two penalties is unforgiveable... McG's one on one was as bad

 

Other than that we actually played the better football most of the game

 

We saw it at QPR and at Coventry ...if you don't take your chances you are asking to get thumped...and we did!

 

If we don't turn this around Administration is a real likelihood IMHO

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I do hope you're being ironic there!!!!!!

 

The two missed penalties gloss over a very poor performance, with serious deficiencies in many areas of the team (for a start we need to sort the defence out PDQ). Throw in questionable team selections & tactics, and luck (or lack of it) goes out the window.

 

With all due respect to Watford, they were poor (1 point away from home all season) and yet they spanked us 3-0. What does that say about us????

 

The harsh reality is that many of those who played yesterday aren't up to it, and the manager is beginning to be put under the microscope.

 

Today it became very evident that Jan is way out of his league here. Apart from relishing in a few well played wins he has shown that as a tatical footballing manager he has very little knowledge or competent experience of what to do when it is not going to plan. I still can not see the sense in playing with 1 striker up front at home. The lads in this team have most probably been brought up with 4-4-2 , the players to day seemed confused at times as to who was where. I think the players are begining to lose confidence in Jan and can see that he is all spin with little substance..and today the illusion of Total football came crashing down , someone has noticed that the Emperor is actually not wearing any clothes and it is now public knowledge and for all to see and say....

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Remember this has come after a 2 week break when the manager said the boys have taken on board what is needed. What a joke I was there and believe me Watford were very poor it's the most bizzare game I have ever watched, you can now see a bit of heart spirit going from the players and it's going to get worse. God help us.

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When the team sheet came out yesterday it really sank home just how young and inexperienced our lads are. Other than Kelvin and Drew you would'nt have recognised any of the others this time last year. I'll give them this though: they didn't let up, they did play with passion and energy for the full 93 minutes. We all know that some games last season - after burley left - they dragged their feet and counted down the minutes until they could go home. Not so yesterday. That is the positive.

 

The negatives are:

 

Why wasn't surman taking the pens?

Why haven't they practiced where to stand when defending a corner - it helps to have someone on the near post at the very least?

Why do they still hesitate to have a crack at goal when they are in the box?

How did that ref pass through ref-school. He was not just "we lost so the ref's useless" bad, he was truly, truly shockingly bad.

And the most important question of all: How long can the club stay solvent when we are now consistenly getting gates below 18,000 and losing an estimated £100k per week.

 

Come on you saints, bounce back and get a result up at shefield.

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When the team sheet came out yesterday it really sank home just how young and inexperienced our lads are. Other than Kelvin and Drew you would'nt have recognised any of the others this time last year. I'll give them this though: they didn't let up, they did play with passion and energy for the full 93 minutes. We all know that some games last season - after burley left - they dragged their feet and counted down the minutes until they could go home. Not so yesterday. That is the positive.

 

The negatives are:

 

Why wasn't surman taking the pens?

Why haven't they practiced where to stand when defending a corner - it helps to have someone on the near post at the very least?

Why do they still hesitate to have a crack at goal when they are in the box?

How did that ref pass through ref-school. He was not just "we lost so the ref's useless" bad, he was truly, truly shockingly bad.

And the most important question of all: How long can the club stay solvent when we are now consistenly getting gates below 18,000 and losing an estimated £100k per week.

 

Come on you saints, bounce back and get a result up at shefield.

I disagree. There was very little wrong with his performance yesterday, apart from not giving the penalty himself, that is. Another ref would probably have sent the keeper off but since it was the assistant's call he probably decided that a yellow was more appropriate.

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I disagree. There was very little wrong with his performance yesterday, apart from not giving the penalty himself, that is. Another ref would probably have sent the keeper off but since it was the assistant's call he probably decided that a yellow was more appropriate.

 

where do you sit? From my seat in the northam the second half he was very poor. their third (or second?) goal one of their fellas was pinning Kelvin to the ground. just one example. but from my spot he was not a good ref. too many errors. and yes, the booking should have been a red. no question. you are in the box, you deny a goal scoring opportunity and give away a penalty then the book says "you're off sonny jim".

 

Sorry, can't see how you can think he ref'd that game well.

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Rupert Lowe, you reap what you sow.

 

You had a solid manager in NP and once again you tinkered like the clueless fool you are.

 

With the tough set of fixtures we have coming up it wouldn't surprise me if JP walks\is sacked and Lowe takes over to save costs.

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In my book the referee could be the reason we lost as we did. Having given a penalty I was surprised to see only a yellow card issued to the goalie. The nearest defender only beat McGoldrick to the ball because he had been foulled. It's true that we were diabolically poor as indeed were Watford. The penalty should have been taken as mentioned previously by Drew. Leading 1-0 and playing 10 men should have been the start of a comprehensive victory.

Wotton should never be allowed to play for us again. His ineptitude reminds me of the 20 minute sub from a few years ago.(ALI)?

PERRY IS OUR OWNLY AVAILABLE CB AND CAN'T GET A GAME. WHY?

McGoldrick is not good enough and like many showboats before is just that. Flatters to deceive again and again. If he is our best striker we are doomed.

Yesterday I took my 5yo to his first ever game at St Marys.

He was so happy to buy himself some stuff from the club shop.

He thoroughly enjoyed his burger and chips which we had before the game.

He also really enjoyed the crisps and hot chocolate at half time.

He got totally into the atmosphere as his little voice could be heard singing "oh when the saints" over and over again.

He was really happy to see so many supporters wearing the red and white like him.

After the game me and his 17yo sister spent a long time making sure that his day ended on a happy note.

This morning our efforts were rewarded because he wants to do it all again.

This obviously makes me happy so a poor game did have it's bright spot. My son and another firsttimer who will both be returning for more punishment.

Such is the life of a Saints supporter.

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Rupert Lowe, you reap what you sow.

 

You had a solid manager in NP and once again you tinkered like the clueless fool you are.

 

With the tough set of fixtures we have coming up it wouldn't surprise me if JP walks\is sacked and Lowe takes over to save costs.

 

Well said !

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Watched ITV this morning for the highlights(!)

 

Deja vu all over again.

 

The first Watford goal from their right wing corner was just like watching a repeat of the QPR throw-in that led to their first goal in 39 seconds from a thrown-in from the right.

 

Both time ALL the Saints players (except Davis) were in a tight near-post cluster and Watford / QPR had loads of space and time to score with ease.

 

No zonal marking and no man-to-man marking!

 

So what has JP and his young team learned? Nil - Nothing - Zero - Zilch - Sod All !

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Expectations are low anyway so this result only confirms that we are a poor side with limited prospects. Relegation is pretty much a certainty now, this group of players does not have the knowse to turn things around and we just cannot afford to buy any experienced people to help them. Administration is a near certainty as well, as the lack of real passion amongst the crowd suggests that many more will drift away as the weeks go by. This is becoming our darkest hour.

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Expectations are low anyway so this result only confirms that we are a poor side with limited prospects. Relegation is pretty much a certainty now, this group of players does not have the knowse to turn things around and we just cannot afford to buy any experienced people to help them. Administration is a near certainty as well, as the lack of real passion amongst the crowd suggests that many more will drift away as the weeks go by. This is becoming our darkest hour.

 

things are not good, granted, but to write the season off in the middle of October is just too pessimistic for me. I think we should wait until March at the earliest to start thinking about relegation.

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things are not good, granted, but to write the season off in the middle of October is just too pessimistic for me. I think we should wait until March at the earliest to start thinking about relegation.

 

It may be to late then ...surely we should be pre empting relegation now and have enough time to actually try and turn it around. Surely the lessons of Dull and Gormless have been learnt, like Jan, there intentions may be good but it takes experience, leadership and ability to turn a downward spiral into a winning mentality...

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Absolutely f*cking dire. 3 things Jan needs to do:

 

1) Sort out the defence ffs! It's pretty obvious that this is the urgent matter. Put Skacel in at left back, or even put Surman back there, and then put Cork on the right. Perry should definately start at centre back with Wotton. 2 big bruisers at the back ought to stop a few goals from leaking in.

 

2) Sort out the goal drought! McGoldrick needs to be dropped for a few games. Show him that the world doesn't f*cking revolve around him and there are plenty of other options in the team who can do just as good a job (Stern John anyone!?). Stick John up there with either Skacel or Surman on the left and BWP on the right.

 

3) If he can't do either of the above, resign and let somebody decent manage the club. I know that I have very little voice, but i'm not going to stand by and watch these gormless idiots run the club I love into the ground. If Jan doesn't start getting results soon, he should do what's best and f*ck off back to Holland and let us get a decent manager. I absolutely detest the man, but Billy Davies sounds pretty damn good right now. An emphasis on defence would help the team a lot.

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things are not good, granted, but to write the season off in the middle of October is just too pessimistic for me. I think we should wait until March at the earliest to start thinking about relegation.

Great idea, lets wait until March and then think that we might get relegated :) Unless things are changed, drastically, we will be relegated, no doubt about it (imho). At this point in the season, and even up to December we still have a chance to do something about it, with transfer windows and so on. By March you are where you are, and only a minor miracle can turn things around. Those who are thinking there are 3 (or even 4) worse teams than us in the League may be right from a points perspective right now, but realistically I suspect we are the worst team in the league and by Christmas that will be supported by the league table. Watford were worse than us but yesterday despite looking appalling they picked up 3 points from us.

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Absolutely f*cking dire. 3 things Jan needs to do:

 

1) Sort out the defence ffs! It's pretty obvious that this is the urgent matter. Put Skacel in at left back, or even put Surman back there, and then put Cork on the right. Perry should definately start at centre back with Wotton. 2 big bruisers at the back ought to stop a few goals from leaking in.

 

2) Sort out the goal drought! McGoldrick needs to be dropped for a few games. Show him that the world doesn't f*cking revolve around him and there are plenty of other options in the team who can do just as good a job (Stern John anyone!?). Stick John up there with either Skacel or Surman on the left and BWP on the right.

 

3) If he can't do either of the above, resign and let somebody decent manage the club. I know that I have very little voice, but i'm not going to stand by and watch these gormless idiots run the club I love into the ground. If Jan doesn't start getting results soon, he should do what's best and f*ck off back to Holland and let us get a decent manager. I absolutely detest the man, but Billy Davies sounds pretty damn good right now. An emphasis on defence would help the team a lot.

 

Sounds great but if you think we would get him you're having a laugh!

 

Lowe and Wilde have succeeded in making the job one that only a nobody from the lower leagues/another country could consider taking.

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Glad I didn't waste my money. Home games now are a complete and utter bore, and I won't sit anywhere else after they shut off Blocks 1-3. At least we could have a laugh in there last season, even if the football was awful. This year, you have to watch it with zero chance of a sing song or any kind of banter. No thanks, and that ***** Illingsworth and his patronising "speech" made up my mind for me. Aways only for me, it's the only time you get to have a laugh watching Saints these days.

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