alpine_saint Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 What i have been impressed with by them is the manner of their wins. They were blowing teams away at one point 4-0 at Charlton and P'boro i believe but they have also won a lot of games 1-0, just done enough which is what teams that win things do. Yep, they have a winning mentality. Us - we dont turn up at Walsall or Charlton, two of the worst teams in the division at the time of playing.
saints-cris Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 They win away by being hard to score against and winning 1-0. And at home they haven't lost all season. If you win 1-0 away from home most weeks and never lose at home, well, you will probably do OK.
Colinjb Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Yep, they have a winning mentality. Us - we dont turn up at Walsall or Charlton, two of the worst teams in the division at the time of playing. We very much did turn up to that game, but Walsall defended like dogs.... energetic well drilled dogs and kept us out very well... One moment of madness from Jaidi and the rest was therefore history.
Window Cleaner Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 What i have been impressed with by them is the manner of their wins. They were blowing teams away at one point 4-0 at Charlton and P'boro i believe but they have also won a lot of games 1-0, just done enough which is what teams that win things do. Brighton's way of doing things changed when they lost Lua Lua, they even had a bit of a wobble after he got injured but Poyet managed to stabilise them before it became chronic and they moved on along their way.They will be worthy champions because they've done what's necessary all season long.
toofarnorth Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Not over yet still ten games to play and anything can happen. We lose a couple and you win a couple will make it interesting. Not a chance. You guys will win the league. Fingers crossed for 2nd for us and playoffs for Bournemouth, but I am not counting any chickens. This is Saints after all.
Matthew Le God Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 we dont turn up at Walsall or Charlton, two of the worst teams in the division at the time of playing. Obvious you didn't travel over from Austria to watch the Walsall game. Saints played very well! Yes they didn't score, conceded a goal and lost. But to say they "didn't turn up" is nonsense. Attempts on target 3 Walsall - 11 Saints Attempts off target 4 Walsall - 9 Saints Corners 6 Walsall - 12 Saints Saints also had most of the chances/corners/possession etc at Charlton and had a 89th minute goal wrongly ruled out that they could do nothing about due to officials making error. I could name plenty of games over the years where Saints haven't "turned up". But the two you mention certainly wouldn't be included.
Graffito Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Not over yet still ten games to play and anything can happen. We lose a couple and you win a couple will make it interesting. I think you'll win it BHA and fair play when you do. I do agree that there may be a wobble before that happens. The closer it gets to the finishing line, the greater the weight of expectation and that can weigh like a ton and inhibit performance. There's many a slip between cup and lip. Should you slip up Saints are probably best placed to catch you.
Turkish Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Obvious you didn't travel over from Austria to watch the Walsall game. Saints played very well! Yes they didn't score, conceded a goal and lost. But to say they "didn't turn up" is nonsense. Attempts on target 3 Walsall - 11 Saints Attempts off target 4 Walsall - 9 Saints Corners 6 Walsall - 12 Saints Saints also had most of the chances/corners/possession etc at Charlton and had a 89th minute goal wrongly ruled out that they could do nothing about due to officials making error. I could name plenty of games over the years where Saints haven't "turned up". But the two you mention certainly wouldn't be included. I've this to death on another thread and i dont agree that we played well at Wallsall from someone who was there. We didn't deserve to lose but the stats dont tell the whole story. We created 3 or 4 decent chances in the first half and should have been a couple up at half time but in the second it was desperate stuff. Most of our attempts at goal after half time were into a crowded goal mouth or humped high into the box hoping for a knock down, the longer the game went on the more hopeful we became, we created very little in terms of chances and whilst Wallsall had the luck on the night this was a side who only one other team in the whole of the country had lost more than at home at time, we should have won and won easily. There is pattern to our performances against this type of team, Yeovil, Tranmere, carlise, Charlton, Notts County, swindon, Brentford all games against poor opposition which we should have won but didn't. It cant just all be coincidence and that every time we play one of those sides they've got lucky. Compare our results to Brightons against these lot and they simply dont lose these sort of games, you cant tell me they have been any luckier or unlucky against these sides than we have.
Turkish Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Not over yet still ten games to play and anything can happen. We lose a couple and you win a couple will make it interesting. There are only 30 points left for us to play for, we need 13 more points than you over the next ten games, aint going to happen. You probably only need another 3 or 4 wins in reality.
alpine_saint Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 I've this to death on another thread and i dont agree that we played well at Wallsall from someone who was there. We didn't deserve to lose but the stats dont tell the whole story. We created 3 or 4 decent chances in the first half and should have been a couple up at half time but in the second it was desperate stuff. Most of our attempts at goal after half time were into a crowded goal mouth or humped high into the box hoping for a knock down, the longer the game went on the more hopeful we became, we created very little in terms of chances and whilst Wallsall had the luck on the night this was a side who only one other team in the whole of the country had lost more than at home at time, we should have won and won easily. There is pattern to our performances against this type of team, Yeovil, Tranmere, carlise, Charlton, Notts County, swindon, Brentford all games against poor opposition which we should have won but didn't. It cant just all be coincidence and that every time we play one of those sides they've got lucky. Compare our results to Brightons against these lot and they simply dont lose these sort of games, you cant tell me they have been any luckier or unlucky against these sides than we have. Well put. Basically, we cannot breakdown the plucky sh*t teams the way we should be able to; we can only perform against teams that want to play football against us. Brighton have got that sussed as well, hence they will be Champions.
Jimmy_D Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Prefer automatic of course. Then again, it is about time we won at Old Trafford again...
The Cat Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Hope for automatic. If not, beating Bournemouth 18-0 in the play off final will do nicely.
West End Saint Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 I've this to death on another thread and i dont agree that we played well at Wallsall from someone who was there. We didn't deserve to lose but the stats dont tell the whole story. We created 3 or 4 decent chances in the first half and should have been a couple up at half time but in the second it was desperate stuff. Most of our attempts at goal after half time were into a crowded goal mouth or humped high into the box hoping for a knock down, the longer the game went on the more hopeful we became, we created very little in terms of chances and whilst Wallsall had the luck on the night this was a side who only one other team in the whole of the country had lost more than at home at time, we should have won and won easily. There is pattern to our performances against this type of team, Yeovil, Tranmere, carlise, Charlton, Notts County, swindon, Brentford all games against poor opposition which we should have won but didn't. It cant just all be coincidence and that every time we play one of those sides they've got lucky. Compare our results to Brightons against these lot and they simply dont lose these sort of games, you cant tell me they have been any luckier or unlucky against these sides than we have. I was at the Walsall & Charlton games & I agree with you whilst we were the better side in both games we did not do enough to win I can't say we were unlucky in either game Walsall defended very well we didnt create enough quality chances & Charlton we bossed the game until we scored then had a wobble Charlton just about deserved there point. In fact I havent seen us play really well for several games yes we have been the better team yes we have got in the main the results we need it would be nice to see us play well & win well but I would more than settle for the right results & points. We are where we are this is the critical time in the season it is in our hands & we have get promoted for Brighton have top spot in the bag we are & should be favorites for 2nd
Window Cleaner Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 I was at the Walsall & Charlton games & I agree with you whilst we were the better side in both games we did not do enough to win I can't say we were unlucky in either game Walsall defended very well we didnt create enough quality chances & Charlton we bossed the game until we scored then had a wobble Charlton just about deserved there point. In fact I havent seen us play really well for several games yes we have been the better team yes we have got in the main the results we need it would be nice to see us play well & win well but I would more than settle for the right results & points. We are where we are this is the critical time in the season it is in our hands & we have get promoted for Brighton have top spot in the bag we are & should be favorites for 2nd In fact we were good enough to win at Charlton, we did win but an incompetent linesman made a mockery of that. As we have benefited from dodgy penalties given and not given on other occasions you can't complain too much but we did beat Charlton in a better world.
Judge Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 2nd place and Automatic. But when? Brighton are deserved champions but would be nice to beat them and guarantee auto promotion on the same day. Would need lots to go our way but would be my prefered way to finish the season.
Thimble Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 Brighton are far from being a 'tinpot' club. They have a millionaire backing them (Tony Bloom), have a new state of the art stadium that will open in time for their first game in the Championship in August, and they have sponsorship from American Express, which sounds a little more impressive than our new shirt sponsors, who none of us had ever heard of. As for 'fluking' the league, they are unbeaten at home and are 10 points ahead of Saints. In three games since we were relegated we've failed to beat them and they won 3-1 at the SMS last season. In Poyet they also have a respected manager with his own football legacy at the highest levels. As for us going up via a guaranteed win in the Playoffs, there is no such thing. In the play-offs no club is guaranteed getting to the final, let alone winning it. In the play-offs anything can happen with a 3-1 chance against getting promoted. We've just had an excellent run of 4 wins and that is the way to get promoted. Maybe if it hadn't been for the injuries to arguably our best two players, we would have won against Charlton but the fact remains that it was one of our games in hand and we got 1 point from it, not 3. I remain hopeful of promotion, but far from confident, whereas Brighton could lose to us, Colchester and Huddersfield and still go up. Well put!...I am an ALBION fan and I do not think I could have put it any better. In the last 10 years we have won 3 promotions, 2 of them finishing top and the other was a play-off win and although the day out at the Millennium Stadium was ace, there is nothing and I mean nothing like going-up as champions...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 auto poromtion - none of this play off lottery for me.
Simster Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 The bloke calling Albion a tin pot club is embarassing himself with his lack of football knowledge almost as much as the moron on our site who criticised Southampton's support for having 6,000 empty seats in the game at your place in November.
fire&skill Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 It looks as if we are going up; that much is obvious. Brighton may be a tinpot club but you have to hand it to them; it looks as if they will fluke the league this year after many decades of trying. The most likely outcome is that we will be promoted in 2nd place, but as we know the only other teams that would be in the playoffs we have smashed to bits anyway! Would you want another guaranteed screamer of a winning day at Wembley Playoff final or to finish second? Six months at the top of the league - yeah, what a complete fluke
Turkish Posted 25 March, 2011 Posted 25 March, 2011 I'm not sure if Alpine believes that or not. As if it's down to 2 games. Every team slips up against a poor side now and again. We've dropped too many points over the whole season, largely early on, but again too often. Brighton have had slip ups too. Man Utd lost to Wolves but will probably still win the league, they won the league many times when we beat them, even Barca lost at home to Hercules this season. You just need to move on quickly and keep winning. We've done that since Walsall, drawing at Charlton is fine IF we continue winning the other games. I don't believe Alpine truly thinks teams that get success NEVER lose to the likes of Walsall, he just likes to cover all opinions however ill-thought out. Look at the teams that have beaten Brighton this season, they have lost away at Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday (when they were in the top 2) MK Dons and Hartlepool, top 6 sides now or at the time so the only one you might consider a slip up was Hartepool, but even they have a decent record against the top sides in this division. I dont hear any "one of those days" or blaming the linesman, or individual error excuses for losing at Wallsall, Swindon, Carlise, Tranmere at home to Brentford and failing to beat Charlton and Yeovil coming from them. It keeps on happening with us against these sort of teams yet you lot all seem to make excuses. The cold light of day is we have consistantly failed to win games we should have won and them made excuses or even worse put it down to "one of those days". We wont win every game and we will slip up, but it is happening all too often. This was the season with no excuses, yet some of you seem to be happy to be unlucky runners up, if lallana or chamberlain are out for any length of time then we have another ready made excuse if it costs us. The season of no excuses has rapidly become the season of many.
fanimal Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 As Champions! How? Easy, Plymouth go pop, we beat Brighton, simples!!
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Brighton will be champions and rightly so. As Turkish says, they are the most consistent side and the games they lose are to teams 'in and around' them, as opposed to Saints who generally do well against the better teams and are prone to slipping up against some 'bad' teams. It's frustrating when Saints do this, as we aren't beating teams in the manner we should at times, and clearly there is a lot more to come from the team but I seem to recall Leeds somewhat stumbling home to second last season and I can see Saints doing the same. As long as we get over the line it will be success. Not a resounding success, but job done.
Thedelldays Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 2nd place is ours to lose.. It really is, we need 26 points at the very most to go up.. We can afford to draw one and lose one win 8 and go up.. That is of course huddersfield win all 8 if their remaining games, which again, is not going to happen. So IMO 22-24 points will be enough from our last 30. Surely we are good enough to do that??? I really believe that we will be up. At the final whistle of Te plymouth game... Or as good as in that going into the last game in our own hands We blow this chance then.. Aaaarrrggh
Stu Man Do Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Plymouth to go bust meaning Brighton lose 6points and implode with us nicking the league by a point on the last day with a last minute winner haha ;-) As much as a one off game victory at OT would be a good day out Auto promotion please! Brighton have deserved the championship if they just hold their nerves for 4 more games they should be home and hosed! Been top since before we played them at home so fair play to them a better start to the season and I think we would have made it alot lot closer!
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Preferred way of going up? Isn't this obvious? 1st choice: champions 2nd choice: runners-up 3rd choice: winning play-offs HTH
offix Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 automatic. Automatic automatic automatic. Automatic. For the last time, automatic. F**k the play-offs, i want to be able to relax this summer. this
Draino76 Posted 26 March, 2011 Author Posted 26 March, 2011 Preferred way of going up? Isn't this obvious? 1st choice: champions 2nd choice: runners-up 3rd choice: winning play-offs HTH Not obvious for me; 1st choice: champions 2nd choice: winning play-offs 3rd choice: runners-up.
saints-cris Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Dont really understand why anyone would want to go through the hell of playoffs. 2nd place is as high as were gunna get, and we are in a great position to get it. I dont even want to think about the playoffs. Id rather be watching it chuckling as they go through that misery.
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Not obvious for me; 1st choice: champions 2nd choice: winning play-offs 3rd choice: runners-up. That doesn't make sense: finish in second place, you're automatically promoted; being in the play-offs, you can lose!
Saint137 Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Playoffs against Bompey, 5 or 6-0 and then spend the journey back down the M6 mooning at their minibus of fans
Chin Strain Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Not over yet still ten games to play and anything can happen. We lose a couple and you win a couple will make it interesting. Indeed...Plymouth going pop would make it very interesting. However, I really can't see anyone catching you - the wins keep on coming, so you need to implode like Charlton to chuck it from here.
Chin Strain Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Why is the hypothetical scenario of a guaranteed play off win so hard to grasp? If we could fast froward to June and know that we'd definitely gone up, I would rather do it by beating Bournemouth 10 nil at OT. I would also like it to be 8 nil at half time so their fans all disappear. Failing that situation, and time travel not being invented imminently, an automatic place would be my preference.
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Why is the hypothetical scenario of a guaranteed play off win so hard to grasp? If we could fast froward to June and know that we'd definitely gone up, I would rather do it by beating Bournemouth 10 nil at OT. I would also like it to be 8 nil at half time so their fans all disappear. Failing that situation, and time travel not being invented imminently, an automatic place would be my preference. Conversely, why is the distinction between a hypothetical scenario of guaranteed promotion and a hypothetical scenario that doesn't guarantee promotion so hard to grasp? We're asked what our preference is now, given the situation that we face, not what we would like to see with the benefit of hindsight.
Chin Strain Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 Would you want another guaranteed screamer of a winning day at Wembley Playoff final or to finish second? Conversely, why is the distinction between a hypothetical scenario of guaranteed promotion and a hypothetical scenario that doesn't guarantee promotion so hard to grasp? We're asked what our preference is now, given the situation that we face, not what we would like to see with the benefit of hindsight. The OP is above - I think the question's pretty clear TBH.
rallyboy Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 just claim 2nd asap! I don't care if we are 18 pts adrift of Brighton, I just want to go up. Fair play to them, they haven't cracked and will be worthy champions. As for Bournemouth, I have to agree with their thick manager and offensive chairman, yes they are where they are on merit - in terminal decline and desperately hoping that at least one of the wheels stays on as long as the playoffs. I think perhaps they will look back on us executing their season the other week and think twice about being so annoying in future - all talk, no walk.
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 The OP is above - I think the question's pretty clear TBH. OK. I prefer to finish second!
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 It looks as if we are going up; that much is obvious. Brighton may be a tinpot club but you have to hand it to them; it looks as if they will fluke the league this year after many decades of trying. The most likely outcome is that we will be promoted in 2nd place, but as we know the only other teams that would be in the playoffs we have smashed to bits anyway! Would you want another guaranteed screamer of a winning day at Wembley Playoff final or to finish second? Tell me you're kidding. Nobody with half a brain would elect to go for the play-offs.
Chin Strain Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 OK. I prefer to finish second! What, not first?! B&HA may do a Charlton...or Plymouth may go pop......
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 What, not first?! B&HA may do a Charlton...or Plymouth may go pop...... You lectured me before about not answering the exact question put by the OP; well, read your quote of the OP - his question was a clear choice between winning the play-offs, or getting second place. He didn't mention first place, did he!
Chin Strain Posted 26 March, 2011 Posted 26 March, 2011 You lectured me before about not answering the exact question put by the OP; well, read your quote of the OP - his question was a clear choice between winning the play-offs, or getting second place. He didn't mention first place, did he!
The9 Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 Assuming we don't catch Brighton, second place is my preference. As I can't actually attend the Play-Off Final in Manchester, I don't want to miss it, even if we're there. If I had been able to attend the Play Off Final I'd STILL want 2nd.
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