benjii Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 There's no point trying to argue with someone who is completely entrenched and has purveyed the same line of carp for so long that any climb-down has become impossible. All you can really do is point and laugh.
saint lard Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 There's no point trying to argue with someone who is completely entrenched and has purveyed the same line of carp for so long that any climb-down has become impossible. All you can really do is point and laugh. Nah,just waiting for someone to come along and convince me otherwise.....still waiting.....and the wait goes on.
Thedelldays Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 ST lard If we go up automatically, we would have performed well enough. HTH
saint lard Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 ST lard If we go up automatically, we would have performed well enough. HTH We would have fulfilled nothing more than what was expected,performed well?...i think not. Back slapping will be done in abundance i'm sure,but in prospective....very run of the mill season overall.
Thedelldays Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 I'm sorry, gaining promotion is not run of the mill.. If man u win the league, would they see it as run of the mill, or would they celebrate If man city claim 4th would they just shrug their shoulders or would they celebrate.. If QPR win their league. Will they just say meh? Or celebrate Get a life you dullard
saint lard Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry, gaining promotion is not run of the mill.. If man u win the league, would they see it as run of the mill, or would they celebrate If man city claim 4th would they just shrug their shoulders or would they celebrate.. If QPR win their league. Will they just say meh? Or celebrate Get a life you dullard There is no comparison between those situations quoted by yourself and ourselves. Every team that gains promotion is entitled to celebrate. Were Man Utd pitted against the equivilant calibre side in there league as we were in ours?,Liverpool,Chelsea and alike. Man City claiming 4th?,and so they should with what they have available,but just like us they have a manager that is questionable in their role of heading up a club that has the resources yet does not fulfill it's potential. Who were our main rivals,both on the pitch and in resources? we were streets ahead of many. Who would've thought it ,Brighton...they have worked wonders,not us. We play poor football,end of. No need for the personal name calling imo,either. My opinion differs from yours,so what? Edited 27 March, 2011 by saint lard
Weston Saint Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 Funny thread to be arguing about or style of play or our Manager but threads do tend to drift from the original points. Saint Lard has held his view since Adkins was appointed. He appears to have been a Pardew supporter and was underwhelmed by Adkins appointment. He is correct that our performances of late have been poor. We have been winning and that is the the object of the excercise but the manner of our displays have been below what we were promised. There are question marks against Adkins but he was never bought in as a Premier Manager but one with potential to grow with the job as we progressed. Pardew and Cortese just did not get on for whatever reason and that alone was reason enough for change. I had severe doubts that Pardew could take us all the way and I am yet to be convinced that Adkins will although he has started well and does have the players on his side. I was speaking to someone who is a massive Saints fan but has been watching Championship football because his son plays in that league. He considers that when we get promotion we will find the Championship better suited to our flowing, passing side of football. There are less poor pitches, less spoiling teams and a better standard of football. He is confident we will grow and display the type of football we have been promised. This season is just about getting us up. Yes we want attractive flowing football. Adkins has shown us he is capable of coaching his team to that aim and the team has shown they are capable of that style. It will come and we need to be patient. Let's reserve judgement on our Manager until the end of the season.
thegaffer Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 Made exactly the same point in an earlier discussion. My son works for a championshipe side and he believes that we will do really well in that division. Funny thread to be arguing about or style of play or our Manager but threads do tend to drift from the original points. Saint Lard has held his view since Adkins was appointed. He appears to have been a Pardew supporter and was underwhelmed by Adkins appointment. He is correct that our performances of late have been poor. We have been winning and that is the the object of the excercise but the manner of our displays have been below what we were promised. There are question marks against Adkins but he was never bought in as a Premier Manager but one with potential to grow with the job as we progressed. Pardew and Cortese just did not get on for whatever reason and that alone was reason enough for change. I had severe doubts that Pardew could take us all the way and I am yet to be convinced that Adkins will although he has started well and does have the players on his side. I was speaking to someone who is a massive Saints fan but has been watching Championship football because his son plays in that league. He considers that when we get promotion we will find the Championship better suited to our flowing, passing side of football. There are less poor pitches, less spoiling teams and a better standard of football. He is confident we will grow and display the type of football we have been promised. This season is just about getting us up. Yes we want attractive flowing football. Adkins has shown us he is capable of coaching his team to that aim and the team has shown they are capable of that style. It will come and we need to be patient. Let's reserve judgement on our Manager until the end of the season.
Farkas Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 I agree we have won games without necessarily playing well, but at least for the first half against a second string ManUre, we showed that we can play attractive football.
hypochondriac Posted 27 March, 2011 Posted 27 March, 2011 ST lard If we go up automatically, we would have performed well enough. HTH Well enough for our aim I agree. We will have done worse than I had hoped at the beginning of the season though if we finish second.
NickG Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 think we can do without Ox-C. Good player but sometimes his inexperience shows - giving away possession too easily and letting game pass him by for periods. If fit should definately play. If not I wonder whether Forte / N'Geusson will offer more consistent level of team play i.e. miss the peaks of Ox-C but steadier game? Also wonder whether Adkins would consider using new lad and changing shape? Lallana is missed as he works so hard, always wants the ball, and willingly takes it even if several players tight to him so creates space for others.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Radhi Jaidi on twitter... "Adam is almost ready not sure about Alex it will take longer time ...."
Saint Charlie Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Radhi Jaidi on twitter... "Adam is almost ready not sure about Alex it will take longer time ...." So Jaidi won't be on twitter much longer.... Seems Adam will be back for MK Dons and Chambo probs a few weeks - pretty much what we thought.
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 So Jaidi won't be on twitter much longer.... Seems Adam will be back for MK Dons and Chambo probs a few weeks - pretty much what we thought. Adds to the folly of not getting players before the windows closed IMO.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Adds to the folly of not getting players before the windows closed IMO. So did I just imagine Guly, Forte, Chaplow, N'Guessan and Stephens signed for Saints in 2011?
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Adds to the folly of not getting players before the windows closed IMO. Inacse you were not aware we signed n'guessen and forte in jan
Scudamore Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Inacse you were not aware we signed n'guessen and forte in jan Should have signed Yoann Folly though...
alpine_saint Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 From what I have witnessed directly or indirectly over the last 20-odd games, we simply arent playing as well as we should. I will excuse some lack of consistency as being down to injuries. Therefore I can support some of what saint lard says. However, he can k*ss my arse if his real motivation is a grudge about Pardew being fired, since I dont think we were much better and we definitely werent more consistent under him. Pardew had a fully fit and motivated Rickie Lambert AND a season-long fit Lallana to draw upon, FFS.
Appy Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 From what I have witnessed directly or indirectly over the last 20-odd games, we simply arent playing as well as we should. I will excuse some lack of consistency as being down to injuries. Therefore I can support some of what saint lard says. However, he can k*ss my arse if his real motivation is a grudge about Pardew being fired, since I dont think we were much better and we definitely werent more consistent under him. Pardew had a fully fit and motivated Rickie Lambert AND a season-long fit Lallana to draw upon, FFS. What have you watched directly? Aside from Sheff Wed and Peterborough?
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 So did I just imagine Guly, Forte, Chaplow, N'Guessan and Stephens signed for Saints in 2011? Wow, sends shivers through your spine those to make us get the 5 year plan to work
The9 Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Pardew had a fully fit and motivated Rickie Lambert AND a season-long fit Lallana to draw upon, FFS. Nice to see you finally accepting Pardew's motivational skills and, managerial abilities aside, accepting that a single injury to a key player could be the difference between a successful season and one that is not, which implies that no amount of "cover" would do.
Appy Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Wow, sends shivers through your spine those to make us get the 5 year plan to work Aside from N'Guessan, i struggle to see your issue with any of those. Forte has had a grand total of about 40 minutes and Stephens hasn't even played yet.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 (edited) Wow, sends shivers through your spine those to make us get the 5 year plan to work So should Saints have signed players better than Lallana and Chamberlain and put Alex and Adam on the bench? - Chaplow, N'Guessan and Forte are experienced Championship players (Forte and N'Guessan have hardly played so harsh to judge them yet really). - Guly from Serie A and a key figure in their promtion campaign to the top flight. - Stephens, 21 years old, vice captain and top goalscorer from Oldham from central midfield. Edited 29 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 So should Saints have signed players better than Lallana and Chamberlain and put Alex and Adam on the bench? No we should have sold Chamberlain and got CMS. All the fannying around cost us his signing IMO
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 No we should have sold Chamberlain and got CMS. All the fannying around cost us his signing IMO 1) Why sell Chamberlain when you don't need to? 2) Why would Peterborough sell CMS to a main promotion rival? It just wouldn't happen until the summer. 3) Why do you think Saints need to sell before they can buy? 4) Who would have then played on the right wing?
Dig Dig Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 No we should have sold Chamberlain and got CMS. All the fannying around cost us his signing IMO Yea because we would be top now if that had happened
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 No we should have sold Chamberlain and got CMS. All the fannying around cost us his signing IMO The same CMS prem bound Norwich could not sign. You make out we can just sign any player we want. Then, who would play right wing?? Not n'guessen as he does not live up to your expectations, so I'm guessing, someone from Cardiff, or forest or Leeds ??
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 1) Why sell Chamberlain when you don't need to? 2) Why would Peterborough sell CMS to a main promotion rival? It just wouldn't happen until the summer. 3) Why do you think Saints need to sell before they can buy? 4) Who would have then played on the right wing? 1) IMO he will be gone one way or another before next season. The interest in him was at a fever pitch then. The money generated could have been spent on the whole squad improvement, to make sure we go up not the what ifs? 2) Before the return of Ferguson they were not in the picture and we could have bought him then. 3) It is fairly obvious that we have not spent like we did last season. IMO if Ml was alive he would have invested more in the team 4) well if we only have one person in that position it shows the weakness of our squad, I called for us to buy Antonio at the time of the Ox saga
Appy Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 The same CMS prem bound Norwich could not sign. You make out we can just sign any player we want. Then, who would play right wing?? Not n'guessen as he does not live up to your expectations, so I'm guessing, someone from Cardiff, or forest or Leeds ?? Nani or Lennon obviously. We are aiming for the premiership ffs.
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Before the return of fergie they were in with a shout Why do you make stuff up?
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 The same CMS prem bound Norwich could not sign. You make out we can just sign any player we want. Then, who would play right wing?? Not n'guessen as he does not live up to your expectations, so I'm guessing, someone from Cardiff, or forest or Leeds ?? Find where i have said Nguessen does not live to my expectations or where i dismiss him? If not come back with your apologies. When we were first in for CMS it was a longtime before the Norwich interest came about.
OldNick Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Before the return of fergie they were I'm with a shout Why do you make stuff up? They were not in the playoff places in Jan i think you will find. i think they were quite a points adrift.
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 They were not in the playoff places in Jan i think you will find. i think they were quite a points adrift. We are not 2nd but we like to this we are in with a shout So, had we sold oxo, spent £4m on CMS who would play RM?
ohwhenthesaints Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Find where i have said Nguessen does not live to my expectations or where i dismiss him? If not come back with your apologies. Wow, sends shivers through your spine those to make us get the 5 year plan to work You seem to imply there that you are underwhelmed with the signings.
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Find where i have said Nguessen does not live to my expectations or where i dismiss him? If not come back with your apologies. When we were first in for CMS it was a longtime before the Norwich interest came about. Well you were flippant enough to say they don't send shivers down your spine. Also, do you work for the posh, how do you know when Norwich first came in for him? You do realise that when a team wants a player they watch him for a while, they don't just decide one day that they need a striker etc
NickG Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 From what I have witnessed directly or indirectly over the last 20-odd games, we simply arent playing as well as we should. I will excuse some lack of consistency as being down to injuries. Therefore I can support some of what saint lard says. However, he can k*ss my arse if his real motivation is a grudge about Pardew being fired, since I dont think we were much better and we definitely werent more consistent under him. Pardew had a fully fit and motivated Rickie Lambert AND a season-long fit Lallana to draw upon, FFS. lol
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 (edited) 1) IMO he will be gone one way or another before next season. The interest in him was at a fever pitch then. The money generated could have been spent on the whole squad improvement, to make sure we go up not the what ifs? 2) Before the return of Ferguson they were not in the picture and we could have bought him then. 3) It is fairly obvious that we have not spent like we did last season. IMO if Ml was alive he would have invested more in the team 4) well if we only have one person in that position it shows the weakness of our squad, I called for us to buy Antonio at the time of the Ox saga 1) Cortese said he put offers in the bin in January. Alex is under contract and could be a Championship regular next season and a Premier League player with Saints before he reaches 20. I think he'll only be sold if we don't go up this season, or again if we don't go straight up next season to the Premier League. 2) Nonsense - Ferguson returned on the 12th January 2011. Peterborough were 5th at that time, 4 points off 2nd with a game in hand on 2nd. 3) We haven't spent as much because the main players for the starting XI had already been put in place. The multi million pound training ground was improved and added to after Markus' death. 4) Selling the best right midfielder to buy a striker when we already had Lambert, Barnard and Guly doesn't help the squad. In any case Premier League chasing Norwich couldn't get him in January as the didn't want to upset their promotion bid. So they certainly wouldn't sell him to one of their main rivals. CMS will be sold in the summer, Peterborough have said as much. Then is the time to buy him (though it will probably be Norwich that get him). Edited 29 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Why do people keep saying the posh were no where before fergie came in??? That clearly is made up bollix
NickG Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 1) IMO he will be gone one way or another before next season. The interest in him was at a fever pitch then. The money generated could have been spent on the whole squad improvement, to make sure we go up not the what ifs? 2) Before the return of Ferguson they were not in the picture and we could have bought him then. 3) It is fairly obvious that we have not spent like we did last season. IMO if Ml was alive he would have invested more in the team 4) well if we only have one person in that position it shows the weakness of our squad, I called for us to buy Antonio at the time of the Ox saga before the return of Fergie they were 4 points off 2nd with a game in hand.....he has now got them to......errr .... 4 points off 2nd with game in hand!
GenevaSaint Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Well back on topic a little more.... Tweet by Jaidi.....Adam is almost ready not sure about Alex it will take longer time. Let's hope it's right AL is vitally important to the last 10 games.
saint lard Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 From what I have witnessed directly or indirectly over the last 20-odd games, we simply arent playing as well as we should. I will excuse some lack of consistency as being down to injuries. Therefore I can support some of what saint lard says. However, he can k*ss my arse if his real motivation is a grudge about Pardew being fired, since I dont think we were much better and we definitely werent more consistent under him. Pardew had a fully fit and motivated Rickie Lambert AND a season-long fit Lallana to draw upon, FFS. Fear not,for i will not be puckering up anytime soon.
Nexstar Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Why do people keep saying the posh were no where before fergie came in??? That clearly is made up bollix Since he returned their defence seems to be a lot tighter. Fewer 5-4 wins and more 5-0 thrashings
Dig Dig Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 St lard, your constant bemoaning of the way we play just makes you come acoss as a little deluded. What do you honestly expect? We are a very efficient and effective team under NA, solid at the back and scoring enough. The team can mix it up as required and even when we are not at our best we are dominant and pressure most teams either from open play or set pieces. It's refreshing to have a side with some back bone and in spells, we do play very good football.
surman11 Posted 29 March, 2011 Posted 29 March, 2011 Chambo is still on crutches and wearing a protective boot, going for a scan tomorrow to find out more.
Saint Charlie Posted 30 March, 2011 Posted 30 March, 2011 Chambo is still on crutches and wearing a protective boot, going for a scan tomorrow to find out more. Hmm...could even have played his last game for us then!
trousers Posted 30 March, 2011 Posted 30 March, 2011 Chambo is still on crutches and wearing a protective boot, going for a scan tomorrow to find out more. Genuine long term injury or Adkins smoke-and-mirrors?
saintsmike25 Posted 30 March, 2011 Posted 30 March, 2011 Sounds like a sprained ankle for Chamberlain. 4-5 weeks.
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