hackedoff Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Oldham say he is 21, Saints say he is 23.... You age very quickly once you are associated with SFC.
Professor Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 CM Hammond - club capt, seems to be in form Chaplow - good, young recent signing Morgan - injured, possibly for season but wouldn't be stunned to see him again this season Vast majority on here agreed that any 2 out of those 3 make a good pairing for us. We still have that! Now signed 21 midfielder who has scored 10 in 37 games, 2nd highest assists in his club, - which is more goals and assists in this division than our CM! Whose fans seem gutted to lose him fit and ready to perform at league 1 pace Can see no reason to moan Nothing to moan about the signing - until we see him play we can't have an informed opinion, so is it OK just to moan about the ingratiating post?
VectisSaint Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 When on earth did we play Bury? 1900. 4-0 Bastards.
suewhistle Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Alpine saint asked me to pass on his utter disgust at Saints lack of ambition with this signing. He can't get to his computer right now because he is busy trying to work out where St Marys is. Why would he want to do that?
teamsaint Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Why would he want to do that? so that he can complain about it not being in the right place?
Colinjb Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 1900. 4-0 Bastards. The origin of the term 'shakers.' B*stards
doddisalegend Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 adkins out...this does nothing to massage my ego...the club are skint, playoffs at best Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Satisfied with this signing. I always thought bringing in a player from a higher league as cover wasn't required and could upset things more than help. Dale Stephens is a young lad who will be keen to make an impression and help us over the line in order to help himself in the long term. It also means that the injuries to AOC and Lallana can't be particularly bad.
doddisalegend Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 One good thing is that the lad has got a full weeks training to get to know his fellows players and our systems before our next game. That will be the one were he gets neck ache watching the ball by pass midfield on the way to Lambert I assume.
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I don't get it, if this guy is good why would Oldham let him go? Surely they haven't chucked in the towel already as far as their own promo hopes are concerned? Smells fishy, waht's going on?
latter day saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I don't get it, if this guy is good why would Oldham let him go? Surely they haven't chucked in the towel already as far as their own promo hopes are concerned? Smells fishy, waht's going on? they are skint so would welcome the wonga we sent their way for the loan.
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I don't get it, if this guy is good why would Oldham let him go? Surely they haven't chucked in the towel already as far as their own promo hopes are concerned? Smells fishy, waht's going on? What promo hopes? Do you ever have a clue what you are talking about?
S-Clarke Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I don't get it, if this guy is good why would Oldham let him go? Surely they haven't chucked in the towel already as far as their own promo hopes are concerned? Smells fishy, waht's going on? They've got no chance of promotion being 15 pts behind at this stage. They are skint, openly considering administration and we offered them a decent financial package which clubs in their situation and size cannot really turn down. He's their best player and we've once again signed one of the best players at L1 level.
Scudamore Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Bet this is one of those threads where everyone moans about everyone else moaning about something. Something that maybe two or three people are actually moaning about.
Colinjb Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Bet this is one of those threads where everyone moans about everyone else moaning about something. Something that maybe two or three people are actually moaning about. Stop moaning about the moaning.
SAR Boy Saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I don't get it, if this guy is good why would Oldham let him go? Surely they haven't chucked in the towel already as far as their own promo hopes are concerned? Smells fishy, waht's going on? I suppose this is what the Wolves fans said about signing Drew Surman?!
Eaststander Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 The reason it turns to moaning is because no one has actually seen him play in a Saints short yet, so the half glass full lot talk him up to be another Messi, and the half glass full brigade put him the keith Cassells class. Truth is he is somewhere in-between. If he was a world beater SAF would have snapped him up by now. He is here for 10 games to do a cover job and help get us promoted. If it all goes to plan then who knows, we can both look longer term. If he turns out to be another JP then thanks, and its the A34, M40, M6 for him.
dune Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 A great career move for him. I hope he seizes the opportunity.
SAR Boy Saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 So, Stephens as cover in CM who can also score goals, Forte and N'Guessen available as wide/pacey players, Guly fit again up front. Sounds good to me, glass half full from my perspective!!
Hatch Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 two weeks old... http://www.football-league.co.uk/league1/news/20110310/stephens-eager-to-add-to-goal-tally_2293324_2312797
NickG Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 two weeks old... http://www.football-league.co.uk/league1/news/20110310/stephens-eager-to-add-to-goal-tally_2293324_2312797 this confusion over his age is getting silly now
Fan The Flames Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Sounds like a good player, looking forward to seeing him in a Saints shirt.
S-Clarke Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Just watched his goals for Oldham this season - a few pens, but some cracking hits from outside the box. He seems the type of player that makes late runs into the box and starts off attacks by playing the ball deep...and then continuing to run forward. At the mo - I'd stick him in there in place of Chappers.
madruss Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Just watched his goals for Oldham this season - a few pens, but some cracking hits from outside the box. He seems the type of player that makes late runs into the box and starts off attacks by playing the ball deep...and then continuing to run forward. At the mo - I'd stick him in there in place of Chappers. On current form, I'd stick Pulis on there in place of Chappers!
Nexstar Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 On current form, I'd stick Pulis on there in place of Chappers! I think I would rather see a dog play in central midfield than Pulis.
Saint Billy Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 On current form, I'd stick Pulis on there in place of Chappers! On current form I would actually not change very much apart from have cover for AL and Oxo....................................................oh!
Dr Who? Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Sounds like a good player, looking forward to seeing him in a Saints shirt. As soon as he is out of his nappies!
The9 Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 (edited) I suppose this is what the Wolves fans said about signing Drew Surman?! Only if the Wolves fans in question had 1) Not noticed we were in already administration at the time, as opposed to "possibly being in financial trouble" like Oldham are... 2) Thought they were still in the same league as us, rather than already promoted to the Prem... 3) Thought we were somehow in a promotion battle (like we are now), rather than just being relegated from the CCC... 4) Not seen him play (or at least not noticed him on the numerous occasions he started for us against them, which is rather more likely). And I'm not sure if you're saying Surman was good - but he was crap for Wolves; or crap - but he was good for Norwich ? Edited 24 March, 2011 by The9 clarity
Appy Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 On current form I would actually not change very much apart from have cover for AL and Oxo....................................................oh! Lallana will be back for MK. Forte, Guly or N'guessan can come in for Chambo.
Scudamore Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Lallana will be back for MK. Forte, Guly or N'guessan can come in for Chambo. Yes but is three players enough cover?!
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I'm glad we got a signing. Will be interesting to see if he is a useful addition or an underwhelming one. I will reserve judgement on this one I think. What is more interesting for me is that we are continuing our policy of 'the cheap option,' something we have been doing since the summer. Whether this is the correct strategy I am not sure, it's certainly the most financially sensible one but I continue to wonder if this policy was a conscious decision or whether it was imposed upon us by tighter financial constraints.
NickG Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 don't think there is any evidence of us being tight
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Having said the above, I would also like to add that I am genuinely pleased we have got someone in. We badly needed some cover following Morgan's injury and hopefully this guy will be good enough to challenge for a starting place.
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 don't think there is any evidence of us being tight Well yes you have given that opinion but I think differently. We continue to be linked with proven championship players only to go for decent league one players. This may of course be the correct strategy but it is what I believe we are doing nonetheless. When I say the money has run out, what I mean is not that we have no money (we still have vastly more resources than most other league one clubs), simply that we are not as financially well supported as last year and have to be more selective about hat we spend our money on. Before people bang on about Lallana contracts, it makes financial sense to offer Lallana a long term contract.
S-Clarke Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 I'm glad we got a signing. Will be interesting to see if he is a useful addition or an underwhelming one. I will reserve judgement on this one I think. What is more interesting for me is that we are continuing our policy of 'the cheap option,' something we have been doing since the summer. Whether this is the correct strategy I am not sure, it's certainly the most financially sensible one but I continue to wonder if this policy was a conscious decision or whether it was imposed upon us by tighter financial constraints. How can you say it's the cheap option when you have no details of a) - The wage offered, B) the Loan Fee and C) the fee at the end of the season.?
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Satisfied with this signing. I always thought bringing in a player from a higher league as cover wasn't required and could upset things more than help. Dale Stephens is a young lad who will be keen to make an impression and help us over the line in order to help himself in the long term. It also means that the injuries to AOC and Lallana can't be particularly bad. These sort of comments do make me laugh though how people are always positive no matter what happens. If we had signed no one it would have been 'I'm glad, we have the strongest squad depth in the division and another signing would have frozen out our promising youngsters.' If we had signed a player from a higher league it would have been 'I'm glad, we have brought in proven quality and gone for someone with proper experience.' I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but it is amusing.
Badger Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Lallana will be back for MK. Forte, Guly or N'guessan can come in for Chambo. Yes but is three players enough cover?! It should be. Afterall you only need one to replace AOC when he is tired or injured,and another to replace him when its not working out. The third one is then sufficient for all of us to jump up and down saying we have not got enough quality in the squad,and NA was clueless in bringing in Forte/N'G as they only warm the bench...ad nauseum.
NickG Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Who knows the fees involved? When is Howard out of contract? Potentially fees may not be different - persuading team to lose their young star and regular as opposed to another losing a reserve. I don't know, but it doesn't jump out as an anyone who is cheap option
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Championship players signed this season: Butterfied Chaplow Forte N'Guessan Serie A players signed this season: Guly League One players signed this year: Dickson Richardson Stephens Yeah, you're right.
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 How can you say it's the cheap option when you have no details of a) - The wage offered, B) the Loan Fee and C) the fee at the end of the season.? Fair enough I don't know all the details. It does however APPEAR to be the cheap option. I'm giving my opinion based on the probability that he is a cheaper option than Brian Howard.
NickG Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 These sort of comments do make me laugh though how people are always positive no matter what happens. If we had signed no one it would have been 'I'm glad, we have the strongest squad depth in the division and another signing would have frozen out our promising youngsters.' If we had signed a player from a higher league it would have been 'I'm glad, we have brought in proven quality and gone for someone with proper experience.' I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but it is amusing. or perhaps it putting some faith in our manager, and a those who know more about football than us - who would have watched all options and know exactly how they see them fitting in?
S-Clarke Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Fair enough I don't know all the details. It does however APPEAR to be the cheap option. I'm giving my opinion based on the probability that he is a cheaper option than Brian Howard. It doesn't appear a cheap option to me at all. We've signed a teams best player, clubs from the premiership wanted him and we went back with a second offer which turned his head.
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Plus it seems pretty likely we tried to sign Mackail-Smith which would've been a seven figure fee.
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Championship players signed this season: Butterfied- good player and an exception though possibly not on too much wage wise and we got him on a free. Chaplow- On a free again probably not on too much Forte- Certainly would not have been on much and not rated at all by S****horpe. Yet to show much here so jury still out N'Guessan- Looked good against Exter away then not much cop since. Fringe player in the CCC and on loan. Serie A players signed this season: Guly- Played majority of career in serie B. League One players signed this year: Dickson- Unnecessary signing and money possibly based on appearances, hence why he hasn't played much recently? Richardson- Hardly featured, wouldn't have been on much wage wise Stephens- Young midfielder, unproven above this league, possibly good but unknown yet. Yeah, you're right. Just my opinions based on the above and with the exception possibly of Butterfield, certainly not in the same calibure as proven successes like Barnard, Lambert and Fonte.
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 Plus it seems pretty likely we tried to sign Mackail-Smith which would've been a seven figure fee. That is really my point. We have been LINKED with a host of players who are proven succeses and many who look class in the league above. It isn't since last year that we have signed someone in that bracket IMO.
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 or perhaps it putting some faith in our manager, and a those who know more about football than us - who would have watched all options and know exactly how they see them fitting in? I think you misunderstand my comment. What I found amusing was that there would have been a positive slant from someone whatever the club had done, had we signed someone or not and whoever we had signed.
NickG Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 maybe a 21/23 year old midfielder, who is his clubs top scorer and vice captain, who signed 3 year contract a few months ago and seems to be a fans favorite is not much cheaper than a 28 year old midfielder, who hasn't scored this season, played less than half of his sides games and is towards the end of his contract?
hypochondriac Posted 24 March, 2011 Posted 24 March, 2011 It doesn't appear a cheap option to me at all. We've signed a teams best player, clubs from the premiership wanted him and we went back with a second offer which turned his head. A young player is still a gamble. A gamble which I really hope pays off but Brian Howard is a proven championship performer, who certainly would have been more. What I'm trying to say is that I would rate Howard as a Fonte, Lambert type signing (i.e. proven) whereas Stephens is a bit more of a youngster with potential. It may be that we have changed our transfer policy since last year. I'm just speculating about the possibility and wondering aloud whether this will pay off or not. I'm not being negative so there is no need to be defensive, I just find it interesting.
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