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georgeweahscousin

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A 28 year old that his club want to keep, on a good contract until the end of the 2013 season. How the hell do you know Stephens has a bright future he was anonymous against us for Oldham he has a long way to go to satisfy the aspirations of this club. If he stutters in his first match he will be slaughtered.Guly, N'Guessan and Forte have been really wlcomed when they first came.

 

...because I am judging him on more than one game against us?

 

He has had a good season, and bigger and better teams than us are interested. Howard is overrated in my opinion.

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We'll have to see but I really don't think Stephens will add much to our squad either,depends whether it's just a loan for the rest of the season or a loan with a view to a permanent move.I'd much rather we waited until the summer before thinking about permanent signings.

 

oldham are comfortably-ish midtable, it could just be a loan for the rest of the season with some money going to oldham, this fills the holes in the squad with injuries and a lack of experiance in the development side that atkins requires for midfield.

 

potentially a win-win for both teams, giving the player or the club **** for this during the run in does no one any favours (other than forum post counts ofc)

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...because I am judging him on more than one game against us?

 

He has had a good season, and bigger and better teams than us are interested. Howard is overrated in my opinion.

 

Howard is a good player, but i think many people think he is amazing due to Barnsley's cup run in 08.

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Derry give the bloke a bloomin chance, jesus.

 

I'm spitting chips at the moment. It's not the player himself, it's the fact we have gambled on a cheap option from Oldham. We are playing poorly in central midfield and are crying out for a proper leader/playmaker with experience to get us over the line. Gary Jones, captain of Rochdale, 33 years of age, proper playmaker and leader with 14 goals wouldn't be a gamble, Howard wasn't a gamble but this 23 yrs old in his first real season is a gamble.

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Let me say this one last time it's 6 goals and 4 penalties.

If you added 4 pens on to each of our midfield players they'd have impressive scoring stats as well.

 

Good penalty takers would be key in a play off final...

 

Still good stats. Our midfielders score because they have a good team around them with plenty of chances on offer. Oldham aren't the worst team ever but I would imagine chances are harder to come across.

 

Then we look at Morgan's goal stats ...

 

I would personally take either of Stephens and Howard, or both!

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I'm spitting chips at the moment. It's not the player himself, it's the fact we have gambled on a cheap option from Oldham. We are playing poorly in central midfield and are crying out for a proper leader/playmaker with experience to get us over the line. Gary Jones, captain of Rochdale, 33 years of age, proper playmaker and leader with 14 goals wouldn't be a gamble, Howard wasn't a gamble but this 23 yrs old in his first real season is a gamble.

 

If Everton and Leeds were after him, i'd trust Adkins' judgement, if this guy was from a league above you would be creaming yourself.

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I'm spitting chips at the moment. It's not the player himself, it's the fact we have gambled on a cheap option from Oldham. We are playing poorly in central midfield and are crying out for a proper leader/playmaker with experience to get us over the line. Gary Jones, captain of Rochdale, 33 years of age, proper playmaker and leader with 14 goals wouldn't be a gamble, Howard wasn't a gamble but this 23 yrs old in his first real season is a gamble.

 

Chill out. Hammond has really stepped up the last few games and is leading us well. Stephens has been playing well in our league and will join the squad which can only help us.

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Why the hell would we drop Lambert?

 

Because he has done absolutely bugger all all season, and even in the last 3-4 matches when he's supposedly been "in form", he's done absolutely nothing outside of the 30 seconds which has been seen on the highlights.

 

Being generous I will credit him with being "efficient" with his movements, as in doing the square root of fck all otherwise at Bournemouth he managed to set up Barnard and score a free kick, and then the one decent piece of skill I've seen from him this season with the deflection buried against Sheff Wed.

 

If Guly did as little as Lambert has this season he'd be getting slaughtered on here.

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oldham are comfortably-ish midtable, it could just be a loan for the rest of the season with some money going to oldham, this fills the holes in the squad with injuries and a lack of experiance in the development side that atkins requires for midfield.

 

potentially a win-win for both teams, giving the player or the club **** for this during the run in does no one any favours (other than forum post counts ofc)

 

Who's Atkins?

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Because he has done absolutely bugger all all season, and even in the last 3-4 matches when he's supposedly been "in form", he's done absolutely nothing outside of the 30 seconds which has been seen on the highlights.

 

Being generous I will credit him with being "efficient" with his movements, as in doing the square root of fck all otherwise at Bournemouth he managed to set up Barnard and score a free kick, and then the one decent piece of skill I've seen from him this season with the deflection buried against Sheff Wed.

 

If Guly did as little as Lambert has this season he'd be getting slaughtered on here.

 

Meh, its your opinion. Up until December i agree he has been poor, but he has been much better since the Huddersfield game.

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Because he has done absolutely bugger all all season, and even in the last 3-4 matches when he's supposedly been "in form", he's done absolutely nothing outside of the 30 seconds which has been seen on the highlights.

 

Being generous I will credit him with being "efficient" with his movements, as in doing the square root of fck all otherwise at Bournemouth he managed to set up Barnard and score a free kick, and then the one decent piece of skill I've seen from him this season with the deflection buried against Sheff Wed.

 

If Guly did as little as Lambert has this season he'd be getting slaughtered on here.

 

Was it against Huddersfield he scored that absolute belter from the edge of the box? Can't quite remember now - but anyway, you shouldn't take a 37 goal season and expect the same each year.

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Saints eye swoop for latics ace Stephens

DALE Stephens has emerged as a transfer target for Southampton.

 

The Athletic midfielder only signed a three-year contract at the start of this season, but he could leave on loan today to join the npower League One promotion-chasers on the South Coast, with a transfer fee to follow at the end of the season.

 

If highly-rated Stephens (21) — the club’s vice-captain and top scorer this season with 10 goals — were to depart, it would leave a huge hole in the side which manager Paul Dickov would want to fill immediately at this crucial point of the season.

 

The window for loan signings shuts today at 5pm.

 

“If somebody left then we would need to bring someone in,” were the guarded words of Athletic chief executive Alan Hardy this morning.

 

Southampton manager Nigel Adkins is known to be in the market for a midfielder prior to the deadline.

 

Morgan Schneiderlin, a player of a similar ilk to Stephens, is expected to miss most of the rest of the season because of a knee injury.

 

With Oscar Gobern about to sit out the last of a three-match ban picked up for a red card against Bournemouth, Saints are currently left with only two available central players in Richard Chaplow and Dean Hammond.

 

A move for Reading’s Brian Howard stalled recently.

 

Adkins knows exactly what Stephens is about, having witnessed him in action against teams he has managed three times this season; once with S****horpe United in the Carling Cup and twice in the league with Southampton. With play-off ambitions having been replaced by a battle to beat the drop, cash-strapped Athletic would be grateful for a transfer fee for Stephens.

 

But Dickov would certainly be loathe to lose a player he described recently as forming the best central midfield partnership in the division, alongside Dean Furman. With only eight matches left in which to pick up points to stave off fears of the drop to League Two, the Athletic boss will be desperate to bring in top-quality cover should Stephens go.

 

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/54383/wanted-man

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Saints eye swoop for latics ace Stephens

DALE Stephens has emerged as a transfer target for Southampton.

 

The Athletic midfielder only signed a three-year contract at the start of this season, but he could leave on loan today to join the npower League One promotion-chasers on the South Coast, with a transfer fee to follow at the end of the season.

 

If highly-rated Stephens (21) — the club’s vice-captain and top scorer this season with 10 goals — were to depart, it would leave a huge hole in the side which manager Paul Dickov would want to fill immediately at this crucial point of the season.

 

The window for loan signings shuts today at 5pm.

 

“If somebody left then we would need to bring someone in,” were the guarded words of Athletic chief executive Alan Hardy this morning.

 

Southampton manager Nigel Adkins is known to be in the market for a midfielder prior to the deadline.

 

Morgan Schneiderlin, a player of a similar ilk to Stephens, is expected to miss most of the rest of the season because of a knee injury.

 

With Oscar Gobern about to sit out the last of a three-match ban picked up for a red card against Bournemouth, Saints are currently left with only two available central players in Richard Chaplow and Dean Hammond.

 

A move for Reading’s Brian Howard stalled recently.

 

Adkins knows exactly what Stephens is about, having witnessed him in action against teams he has managed three times this season; once with S****horpe United in the Carling Cup and twice in the league with Southampton. With play-off ambitions having been replaced by a battle to beat the drop, cash-strapped Athletic would be grateful for a transfer fee for Stephens.

 

But Dickov would certainly be loathe to lose a player he described recently as forming the best central midfield partnership in the division, alongside Dean Furman. With only eight matches left in which to pick up points to stave off fears of the drop to League Two, the Athletic boss will be desperate to bring in top-quality cover should Stephens go.

 

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/54383/wanted-man

 

The best partnership in the division, Dickov is pretty deluded.

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Chill out. Hammond has really stepped up the last few games and is leading us well. Stephens has been playing well in our league and will join the squad which can only help us.

 

Hammond is no leader but much improved lately. Chaplow is way off the pace at the moment. At least two thirds of our goals are coming from set pieces, we really aren't producing much from central midfield and need reinforcing there.

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Hammond is no leader but much improved lately. Chaplow is way off the pace at the moment. At least two thirds of our goals are coming from set pieces, we really aren't producing much from central midfield and need reinforcing there.

 

Well he was Brighton's captain, then Colchester's captain and now ours. So some would disagree.

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Because he has done absolutely bugger all all season, and even in the last 3-4 matches when he's supposedly been "in form", he's done absolutely nothing outside of the 30 seconds which has been seen on the highlights.

 

Being generous I will credit him with being "efficient" with his movements, as in doing the square root of fck all otherwise at Bournemouth he managed to set up Barnard and score a free kick, and then the one decent piece of skill I've seen from him this season with the deflection buried against Sheff Wed.

 

If Guly did as little as Lambert has this season he'd be getting slaughtered on here.

I'm surprised you are so blinkered about RL. he does a lot more than the majority of the team, but most miss it. Edited by OldNick
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You are joking? He was very good the other night and scored 17 goals. Some of our fans are really clueless.

 

Didn't see the Charlton game so can't comment on that, but I have seen him 26 times this season and so far the one thing he's done to impress me was his finish against Sheff Wed. Compare that to the hundreds of occasions where he miscontrols the ball or passes the ball to an opponent, his utter failure to attack the ball if it goes on the ground in the area this season or even be in the vicinity when it happens, and our general mentality if things are failing of whacking it in his general direction, and I just think we'd be a better side using him as a late option rather than a regular starter.

 

Barnard and Guly give us movement and creativity on the ground and Guly is good enough in the air to cover the options from crosses.

 

I will concede that without Lambert taking free-kicks we'll need to find someone else to do that. We've got a few candidates apparently.

 

This is of course a different argument to signing another central midfielder, but I'm surprised at just how untouchable Lambert has been this season given some of his performances.

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Was it against Huddersfield he scored that absolute belter from the edge of the box? Can't quite remember now - but anyway, you shouldn't take a 37 goal season and expect the same each year.

 

I don't, but I expect a player to look like he's bothered more than 4 times a match and a striker to get into goalscoring positions when he doesn't have the ball.

 

Can't remember the Huddersfield goal, but I can remember him not hitting the ball on the bounce when clean through (was that against Man U?), the defender getting a tackle in and us not winning from there - sign of a lack of confidence at the time which hopefully he's got back.

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Well he was Brighton's captain, then Colchester's captain and now ours. So some would disagree.

 

Jesus H Christ, even one of his own players slaughtered him because he was doing nothing to try and lift the players at Hartlepool. The player said that he was the only one trying to get things going and how bad it was. Hammond is no leader, he might be wearing the armband, but there it ends once he has tossed up.

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Jesus H Christ, even one of his own players slaughtered him because he was doing nothing to try and lift the players at Hartlepool. The player said that he was the only one trying to get things going and how bad it was. Hammond is no leader, he might be wearing the armband, but there it ends once he has tossed up.

 

Ok, thats your opinion. I have to agree re Chaplow's recently displays but IMo hammond gets a lot of unfair stick and is actually in his best form as a Saints player. I am perfectly happy with him as captain, as we do have other leaders on the pitch ie Fonte, Davis, Lallana.

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I'm surprised you are so blinkered about RL. he does a lot more than the majority of the team, but most miss it.

 

As a (retired as of last week) lazy centre-forward myself I assure you I spend most of the match watching Lambert and his (lack of) movement.

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Didn't see the Charlton game so can't comment on that, but I have seen him 26 times this season and so far the one thing he's done to impress me was his finish against Sheff Wed. Compare that to the hundreds of occasions where he miscontrols the ball or passes the ball to an opponent, his utter failure to attack the ball if it goes on the ground in the area this season or even be in the vicinity when it happens, and our general mentality if things are failing of whacking it in his general direction, and I just think we'd be a better side using him as a late option rather than a regular starter.

 

Barnard and Guly give us movement and creativity on the ground and Guly is good enough in the air to cover the options from crosses.

 

I will concede that without Lambert taking free-kicks we'll need to find someone else to do that. We've got a few candidates apparently.

 

This is of course a different argument to signing another central midfielder, but I'm surprised at just how untouchable Lambert has been this season given some of his performances.

 

There is quite a bit of what you say, makes sense to me. Would I leave him out? Is he doing it in the box? I think the answer is probably no to both questions. I'd like to see him make more effort as a striker than a part time playmaker drifting out wide.

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As a (retired as of last week) lazy centre-forward myself I assure you I spend most of the match watching Lambert and his (lack of) movement.

 

A forward as prolific as him obviously knows when to move and when not to. LB runs the whole friggin time but is less effective.

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