NickG Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 do the owners of this forum have a duty of care / responsibilty to act when a poster is clearly losing their mind? I would hate to see them found liable when a poster was clearly suffering from serious issues and took no action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Alps, serious point. Didn't you give a previous manager all types of grief for saying that he was aiming for the play offs? Congratulations by he way for becoming a celeb amongst the Brighton fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Don't play them until they are fit AND go all out for automatic promotion? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Don't play them until they are fit AND go all out for automatic promotion? Just a thought... Well, that is what we will do, of course. Only time will tell how realistic a prospect that is. The stats indicate that we will flounder somewhat without Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Alps, serious point. Didn't you give a previous manager all types of grief for saying that he was aiming for the play offs? What an entirely predictable post from you. The difference is, of course (and I've posted this already) that we are talking about the need to make such a decision when 80% of the season has gone, when we've seen the opposition and have a reasonable perspective on what the other 3 play off teams are capable of, unlike your Messiah who made the decision to only aim for the playoffs before a ball was even kicked in anger. I know, I know, its almost impossible to get people on here to consider subtleties or somewhat radical propositions, after all football support traditionally inspires a tribal mentality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 The premise behind this thread is a massive and unnecessary over-reaction. It is also very silly. It wouldn't surprise me to see Lallana and AOC both be ready to play against MK Dons, and having drawn away at Charlton just 24hrs after Posh lose a game there is no need to suggest 2nd is a far fetched idea. People who think so negatively, in particular about the football team they support, must struggle on a daily aspect with other aspects of their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Over the course of a season Goal difference is an amazingly accurate indicator of final position. We have the second best in the division, we lead the table in number of shots, and are first or second in most of the important stats. Our major problem is a very difficult finish to the season, most of our opponents are in the top ten. However given our propensity to mess up against to rubbish and play better against better teams this may not be such a bad thing, at least most of our opponents will want to win and not just shut up shop with a mass defence. I hope our manager and players have a more positive attitude than most of the supporters. We are at least as good as any team in the division, and can certainly play better football than any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 All the years of disappointment have taught me that even if they totally **** the bed and lose in the playoffs, I will be back the next season ready for the new challenge. In the end, what's the point of getting all bent out of shape about a sports team full of rich guys who couldn't give a flying **** about my life. It'd be nice to somehow do it the easy way and grab second spot, if not, I'll be pulling for Saints in the playoffs, if they lose then so be it, I'll just fire up my BBQ and enjoy my summer with steaks and beer and pick it up again in the autumn, no need to have an aneurysm about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 What an entirely predictable post from you. The difference is, of course (and I've posted this already) that we are talking about the need to make such a decision when 80% of the season has gone, when we've seen the opposition and have a reasonable perspective on what the other 3 play off teams are capable of, unlike your Messiah who made the decision to only aim for the playoffs before a ball was even kicked in anger. I know, I know, its almost impossible to get people on here to consider subtleties or somewhat radical propositions, after all football support traditionally inspires a tribal mentality... So it's unacceptable to aim for the playoffs when you're 10 points adrift of everyone with 46 games to play but it's ok to do that when you're 2 points adrift of the second place team with 10 games to go (and they only have eight)? Surely mathematically it's slightly easier to make up 2 points in 10 games than it is to make up 10 points in 46 games? We only have to make up 0.2 points per game, not 0.217. Added to which you're already on the home straight. So you've now become less ambitious than Pardew was. Sadoldgit is actually right (and he put his point in terms a damn sight more polite than your response). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 The world might end next week so why even bother discussing this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I am relatively new here and appreciate that it's not easy to find truly stimulating threads on a football club forum without constant repetition and repeat debate but bit baffling how such an inane attention seeking opening post can generate 4 pages of responses. And the guy spouting such ridiculous stuff has 15000+ posts to his name so assume he has a history of tongue in cheek provocation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I am relatively new here and appreciate that it's not easy to find truly stimulating threads on a football club forum without constant repetition and repeat debate but bit baffling how such an inane attention seeking opening post can generate 4 pages of responses. And the guy spouting such ridiculous stuff has 15000+ posts to his name so assume he has a history of tongue in cheek provocation? Close except it is never tongue in cheek Seriously, he is serious ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 All the years of disappointment have taught me that even if they totally **** the bed and lose in the playoffs, I will be back the next season ready for the new challenge. In the end, what's the point of getting all bent out of shape about a sports team full of rich guys who couldn't give a flying **** about my life. It'd be nice to somehow do it the easy way and grab second spot, if not, I'll be pulling for Saints in the playoffs, if they lose then so be it, I'll just fire up my BBQ and enjoy my summer with steaks and beer and pick it up again in the autumn, no need to have an aneurysm about it. What a totally egocentric opinion. Let's hope Cortese and Liebherr'S money are also back next season ready for the new challenge, seeing as they would have again failed to get their plan off first base, eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Not sure he can be serious, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I am relatively new here and appreciate that it's not easy to find truly stimulating threads on a football club forum without constant repetition and repeat debate but bit baffling how such an inane attention seeking opening post can generate 4 pages of responses. And the guy spouting such ridiculous stuff has 15000+ posts to his name so assume he has a history of tongue in cheek provocation? Wow, I can see your contribution to this site is going to be fresh and innovative Its called "stimulating debate". Whether you like it or not, what I have proposed is an option should Lallana and AOC be injured for anything more than 2 weeks tops. A real pity that some people cannot view it dispassionately/objectively and instead have to stamp their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 So it's unacceptable to aim for the playoffs when you're 10 points adrift of everyone with 46 games to play but it's ok to do that when you're 2 points adrift of the second place team with 10 games to go (and they only have eight)? Surely mathematically it's slightly easier to make up 2 points in 10 games than it is to make up 10 points in 46 games? We only have to make up 0.2 points per game, not 0.217. Added to which you're already on the home straight. So you've now become less ambitious than Pardew was. Sadoldgit is actually right (and he put his point in terms a damn sight more polite than your response). Try understanding the comparison he was making before spouting your cr*p off. He was comparing to Burley, not Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 People who think so negatively' date=' in particular about the football team they support, must struggle on a daily aspect with other aspects of their life.[/quote'] No, they are just fully aware of the beast they have on their back in supporting Southampton Football Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Sorry Mr Alpine Saint as I do like and agree with many of your posts, but no team ever 'settles' for less than is achieveable. Teams continue to try to win every game, the question is whether the team proves to be good enough to do that. So, Saints won't 'settle for the playoffs' but it may prove to be all they are capable of, with much also depending on how the competition at the top of the table perform. No team will win every game, and we've seen all 6 clubs below Brighton dropping points recently, so second place remains a fair prospect but not the certainty that it could have been if the squad had been strengthened in January or at the very least, by a loan to replace Morgan. The two bit-part wingers have not proved to be impressive, more like underwhelming, and if the club does miss out on promotion there's going to be a lot of noise from the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 (edited) When you made this thread did you honestly think it would go down well and at least some people would agree with you? 78 other people have posted in this thread. Not one of them agrees with you. Does that not suggest that you may be an extremely isolated figure with this viewpoint? It is not a topic worthy of discussion because it is ridiculous. If one or two were negative towards it/you then you may have a point and it is worthy of discussion as a viewpoint. But 100% of the 78 other people posting in this thread disagree with you. Edited 24 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Sorry Mr Alpine Saint as I do like and agree with many of your posts, but no team ever 'settles' for less than is achieveable. Teams continue to try to win every game, the question is whether the team proves to be good enough to do that. So, Saints won't 'settle for the playoffs' but it may prove to be all they are capable of, with much also depending on how the competition at the top of the table perform. No team will win every game, and we've seen all 6 clubs below Brighton dropping points recently, so second place remains a fair prospect but not the certainty that it could have been if the squad had been strengthened in January or at the very least, by a loan to replace Morgan. The two bit-part wingers have not proved to be impressive, more like underwhelming, and if the club does miss out on promotion there's going to be a lot of noise from the fans. I have not suggested we dont try to win the remaining games. I have suggested if AOC and Lallana look like they are going to be out for more than two games, we dont rush them back and let nature take its course both with them and with our results, in the hope that they are both back fully recharged for the play-off games that would possibly result in their absence from the regular games. Maybe the title of the thread is a little bit misleading - I wonder how many of the abusers have actually got past the title and read the first post ? I dont find this such a controversial proposal. But the real question is what is "achievable" without AOC and Lallana ? Regarding Lallana particularly, the stats that Dibden Purlieu Saint posted about our points average during his absence make uncomfortable reading for a fan of a team needing one last push to secure an automatic promotion spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 When you made this thread did you honestly think it would go down well and at least some people would agree with you? 78 other people have posted in this thread. Not one of them agrees with you. Does that not suggest that you may be an extremely isolated figure with this viewpoint? It is not a topic worthy of discussion because it is ridiculous. If one or two were negative towards it/you then you may have a point and it is worthy of discussion as a viewpoint. But 100% of the 78 other people posting in this thread disagree with you. No, I didnt expect it to go down particularly well. Is it really 78 people ? Did you really go to the trouble of counting them ? I did however, think a few people would see some merit in my argument; that by whatever means, our chances of securing promotion are a LOT higher with Lallana and AOC in the team than without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 No, I didnt expect it to go down particularly well. Is it really 78 people ? Did you really go to the trouble of counting them ? I did however, think a few people would see some merit in my argument; that by whatever means, our chances of securing promotion are a LOT higher with Lallana and AOC in the team than without them. No one disagrees with that. They disagree with your stupid point about "settling for the play-offs". They think it is the wurst possible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 No one disagrees with that. They disagree with your stupid point about "settling for the play-offs". They think it is the wurst possible idea. I hope I have now clarified that wasnt exactly what I meant with the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Maybe the title of the thread is a little bit misleading - I wonder how many of the abusers have actually got past the title and read the first post? Don't hide behind "it is just the headline". You have said we should "settle for the playoffs". You shouldn't court controversy if you don't like the aftermath. I dont find this such a controversial proposal. Well that is because that part of the opening post isn't controversial at all. To be honest, it is so obvious and common sense, that it isn't really a talking point. What I, and many others (I think) take issue with, is your continual unsubstantiated negativity and courting of controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Don't hide behind "it is just the headline". You have said we should "settle for the playoffs". You shouldn't court controversy if you don't like the aftermath. Its not "hiding", its "clarification". Well that is because that part of the opening post isn't controversial at all. To be honest, it is so obvious and common sense, that it isn't really a talking point. What I, and many others (I think) take issue with, is your continual unsubstantiated negativity and courting of controversy. Yes, because stating the bleedin' obvious never happens with anyone else on here, does it ? But thanks for confirming that most of the responses are a classic case of playing the man and not the ball. Very useful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Are you making a dossier Alps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I know, I know, its almost impossible to get people on here to consider subtleties or somewhat radical propositions ...especially when they're as poorly considered as yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 ...especially when they're as poorly considered as yours. Yeah, well, lets see how this season plays out before we judge what is "poorly considered". I find comments like "a draw is not the end of the world, we have games in hand" somewhat bizarre and "poorly considered" when we still havent stamped our name on second place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I find comments like "a draw is not the end of the world, we have games in hand" somewhat bizarre and "poorly considered" when we still havent stamped our name on second place. I think that's the sort of comment made by people who don't base all their focus on just the last game. It really wasn't the end of the world, frustrating yes, but in theory we actually gained a point on the teams around us. If we carry on our form since Adkins has been in the building we will secure 86/87 pts, which should easily be enough for 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I think that's the sort of comment made by people who don't base all their focus on just the last game. It really wasn't the end of the world, frustrating yes, but in theory we actually gained a point on the teams around us. If we carry on our form since Adkins has been in the building we will secure 86/87 pts, which should easily be enough for 2nd. We have 10 games left. If Lallana and AOC are unavailable for 3 of them, how likely is it we can maintain that form ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 oh Alps, a broken clock is right twice a day, sharpen your razor blades everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 oh Alps, a broken clock is right twice a day, sharpen your razor blades everyone Not if it's digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 What a totally egocentric opinion. Let's hope Cortese and Liebherr'S money are also back next season ready for the new challenge, seeing as they would have again failed to get their plan off first base, eh ? If the money is not back then fair enough, nothing I can do about it so no point getting my knickers in a knot. I'm enjoying that we are in with a chance of promotion, the last few years has taught me not to take that for granted. If you get so steamed and preoccupied by a football team then nothing is ever going to be alright, there will always be some failings, be it in the champ, the prem or FA cup final, I just like to enjoy the football and move on after it is over, I have more important things to worry about. If that is egocentric, that is fine, I am happy with my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick65 Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Don't play them until they are fit AND go all out for automatic promotion? Just a thought... Well exactly - it's obvious isn't it? The inference to be drawn from the original post is that we haven't got much chance of getting 2nd place without AL and OXO playing most, if not all, of the next ten games. Even IF Adkins thinks this, he'd be nuts to convey this to the rest of the team - how de-motivational would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 What would you say Alps if we "settled" for the play-offs, rested Lallana and Chamberlain for every game this season, and ended up in second place anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Well exactly - it's obvious isn't it? The inference to be drawn from the original post is that we haven't got much chance of getting 2nd place without AL and OXO playing most, if not all, of the next ten games. Even IF Adkins thinks this, he'd be nuts to convey this to the rest of the team - how de-motivational would that be? 2nd that we need them both because other teams are scared of both players but from what i see teams are going out to stop chambo and restricting him to play allowing are better player lallana to have more freedom to create chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 What would you say Alps if we "settled" for the play-offs, rested Lallana and Chamberlain for every game this season, and ended up in second place anyway? That would be brilliant, of course. Do you really think it is going to happen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 That would be brilliant, of course. Do you really think it is going to happen ? No, because we're not going to give up on second and rest two of our best players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I can put this debate to bed and guarantee to all, we will finish second, there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2011 No, because we're not going to give up on second and rest two of our best players Depends what you mean by "rest". I assumed it to mean that they recover from their injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 25 March, 2011 Share Posted 25 March, 2011 Dear Mods, Can we please have an awards ceremony each season on Saintsweb ? My suggestion for categories is : 1) Most ridiculous thread of the season ? 2) Biggest @rsehole on the forum ? Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 March, 2011 Share Posted 25 March, 2011 Dear Mods, Can we please have an awards ceremony each season on Saintsweb ? My suggestion for categories is : 1) Most ridiculous thread of the season ? 2) Biggest @rsehole on the forum ? Many thanks. But no one else would ever have a chance of winning. It would just be dominated by Alpine every year which isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 25 March, 2011 Share Posted 25 March, 2011 Yeah, well, lets see how this season plays out before we judge what is "poorly considered". I find comments like "a draw is not the end of the world, we have games in hand" somewhat bizarre and "poorly considered" when we still havent stamped our name on second place. Oh dear Alps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 March, 2011 Share Posted 26 March, 2011 Guessing not too many real life friends alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 26 March, 2011 Share Posted 26 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient.What do you get out of your constant wumming and baiting, I'm assuming thats what it is because if you actually believe this is the way then you are a c*nt !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 26 March, 2011 Share Posted 26 March, 2011 What an entirely predictable post from you. The difference is, of course (and I've posted this already) that we are talking about the need to make such a decision when 80% of the season has gone, when we've seen the opposition and have a reasonable perspective on what the other 3 play off teams are capable of, unlike your Messiah who made the decision to only aim for the playoffs before a ball was even kicked in anger. I know, I know, its almost impossible to get people on here to consider subtleties or somewhat radical propositions, after all football support traditionally inspires a tribal mentality...The opposition dropped 2 points again last night, you are a weak and pathetic individual. You sound like some of todays teenagers, wanting it all on a plate and giving up at the first hurdle, its hard to believe you are actually a grown up. KOK ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 March, 2011 Share Posted 26 March, 2011 (edited) Yeah, well, lets see how this season plays out before we judge what is "poorly considered". so now you want him to wait and see how things pan out. Isn't that what people have been telling YOU to do all season? By the way I think you make a good point. We shouldn't gamble by bringing them back perhaps a fraction early. Half fit players never seem to perform anyway. But lets say it comes down to the last game of the season and a win would possibly get us promoted. Both are not quite there and need another week. Do you play them then? Seriously? That is the acid test of your whole concept. Edited 26 March, 2011 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 26 March, 2011 Share Posted 26 March, 2011 Well, that is what we will do, of course. Only time will tell how realistic a prospect that is. The stats indicate that we will flounder somewhat without Lallana. But surely the stats are f***in idiotic and should be ignored shouldn't they?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 26 March, 2011 Share Posted 26 March, 2011 No, I didnt expect it to go down particularly well. Is it really 78 people ? Did you really go to the trouble of counting them ? I did however, think a few people would see some merit in my argument; that by whatever means, our chances of securing promotion are a LOT higher with Lallana and AOC in the team than without them. Man Yoo's chances of sinning PL are much higher with Rooney and Vidic in the team as well interestingly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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